Tell us why he is suing donald trump in federal court for fraud. My whole life has been money. I want money, i want money. I will not allow the conservative movement to be taken over by a con artist by the name of donald trump. At Trump University we teach success. Thats what its all about. Success. Its going to happen to you. It was a massive con job. What he told those students is exactly what hes saying to america now. Were going to become so successful again. Were going to become so successful again. It is a fraud. It is a scam. Oh, hes a con man. Hes a con man. Its so insulting. Refuses to condemn the ku klux klan. He was asked that yesterday repeatedly. Would you just say unequivocally you condemn them and you dont want their support . Well, i have to look at the group. I mean, im just talking about david duke and the ku klux klan here. A very bad earpiece that they gave me and you could hardly hear what he was saying. I donate care how bad the earpiece is. Ku klux klan comes in pretty clearly. I know nothing about david duke. I dont know anything about White Supremacists. At some point youre either racist or youre pretending to be and at some point theres no difference there. Donald trump knows nothing. Thats what he said yesterday. About david duke and the ku klux klan. He said he knew nothing about david duke and the klan. Donald trump flipflops between being a knowitall and knowing nothing, depending on which is the most convenient in that moment. Yesterday he decided it was politically convenient in the morning for him to know nothing about david duke and the ku klux klan because he does know that the avowed racist david duke and many White Supremacists support his campaign, the donald Trump Campaign. We will talk with tavis smiley about why they support donald trump, coming up. But first, we are going to Trump University. Of course we cant actually go there because the Fake University donald trump created was shut down six years ago after being in business for only five years. And it was not a university. It was a business. You dont know anything about it because youre a lousy businessman. I dont know anything about bankrupting four companies. You bankrupted you know why . I dont know anything about starting a University One at a time. A Fake University. A Fake University. Thats called there are people that borrowed 36,000 to go to Trump University, and theyre suing him now. 36,000 to go to university thats a fake school. And by the way and you know what they got . They got to take a picture with a cardboard cutout of donald trump. Thats what they got for their 36,000. In an exhaustive investigation of Trump University for a time by steve brill mr. Brill reports, Trump University collected approximately 40 million from its students, who included veterans, retired Police Officers and teachers. Trump personally received approximately 5 million of it. Here is a check from Trump University for 500,000 made out to donald trump and signed by donald trump. Donald trump is now being sued in federal fraud cases, one of which the judge has allowed to be brought under the racketeer influence and corrupt organizations act thats also known as rico, which means that donald trump actually stands accused in federal court of being a racketeer. Here is how donald trump lured students to his Fake University. Were going to have professors and adjunct professors that are absolutely terrific. Terrific people, terrific brains, successful. We are going to have the best of the best. And honestly, if you dont learn from them, if you dont learn from me, if you dont learn from the people that were going to be putting forward, and these are all people that are handpicked by me, then youre just not going to make it in terms of the world of success. Were going to teach you better than the Business Schools are going to teach you. And i went to the best business school. Joining us now is bob guillo, a former Trump University student and a plaintiff in one of the lawsuits against donald Trump University. Also with us, steve brill, the founder of court tv and the American Lawyer whos written extensively about Trump University for time. Bob, thank you very much for joining us tonight. Steve, thank you. Youre welcome. Youve brought all your student materials here. These big notebooks. Lets see. Can we get a shot of that . Profit from real estate investing. What did you learn from all of this, and how much did you spend learning it . Okay. I learned absolutely nothing. And i spent pretty close to 36,000 including my sons expenses. And one of the websites that they gave us at this presentation was the irs. Gov website. And i knew what the irs would be allowing for deductions. And the other one was a website called zillow. Com. So basically, they these looseleaf binders contained Powerpoint Presentation thats are totally worthless. Like go around town and look for signs that say for sale by owner. Thats common sense, right . So what did you expect to learn, and then when did you decide this all of this was a waste of your money . Okay. At the first retreat by james harris, that one i gave a very favorable rating to because james harris was the best motivational speaker ive ever heard in my life, and he motivated me to put 35,000 on my American Express card. And after that with the first seminar i went to or workshop or retreat, whatever they decided to call it, i knew right away that id been scammed because they tried to upsell me to take another program for 5,000, 4,000, 20,000, you name it. Steve, this is so familiar to me because you have accounts exactly like this in your article with all these things. Exactly like this. And mr. Harris, the teacher he just mentioned, was the star of Trump University. He was the star, and he was paid a Commission Based not on his real estate expertise but on how many people like my friend here he signed up. Those books look pretty thick but there was 135 a lot of it is white space. Heres a typical page right here. You can take notes here if you want. Theres something without white space and that was the 135page marketing playbook that trump put together. And that had scripts in it, for example, so mr. Harris for the teachers. Exactly. For the teachers. So mr. Harris would say i was having dinner with donald trump the other night and he confided this in me. In his deposition mr. Harris said he never met donald trump, he never had dinner, but he did that in order to stick to the script. I would urge all the members of the press to go to san diego and get these court files. I also hope that as with his tax return that mr. Trump will agree to unseal the parts of the court file that are sealed. He says this case is nothing. The best way to prove that would be not to seal all the records that he has sealed. And the records that i was able to get hold of are filled with incriminating things such as the i had dinner with mr. Trump. There are instructions on how to hook people. All kinds of sales gimmicks. Especially the notion that were going to get the very best people to do this. Does that sound familiar to you in any way . Its the president ial campaign. It is literally the Campaign Going on. And those records in san diego, not so much the ones in new york but the records in san diego, the press should demand that he unseal those records. Bob, when we heard that pitch of donald trump saying im going to get all the best people to teach you, that is exactly what hes saying about how hes going to run the government. When they ask him a question that he doesnt know the answer to, im going to get all the best people. Youve heard all this before. Ive heard all of this before. And he also has a cover story now which sounds like a lot of the campaign of when reporters are asking him about this, in fact it happened during the debate, he says 98 of the people filled out answer cards that said they love the course. Bob gave it a rating that gave it the highest rating. Right. And he did it right at the point he was being sold to buy the course, not when he realized it wasnt worth anything. In addition, of the 10,000 questionnaires that mr. Trump has claimed in a deposition he has, thats curious because only 7,000 people took the course. And of those 7,000 his the chief Financial Officer testified in a deposition that 32 got refunds before they stopped giving refunds. So if 32 demanded refunds how could 98 of the people have been so wildly satisfied that in mr. Trumps rendition this is a Better School than harvard with a higher satisfaction rate than harvard . Bob, we just had your diploma up on the screen there. Congratulations. Donald trump was asked under oath if the university granted degrees, and he said he didnt even know when he was asked that. This is of course not a real degree of any kind that you got. When did do you know other students that were around you that it was kind of dawning on them that this thing is not for real . As far as the other students, i really didnt pay too much attention to them. But i knew it wasnt real because i was in the business of filing limited Liability Companies for 28 years, corporations with the secretary of states office, and i knew that in order to become a corporation or a limited Liability Company in new york you first had to get the approval of the department of education. And i assumed that since the certificate was filed it was legitimate. However there, was a clerk in the legislature, and they forgot to put that particular language when they amended the limited Liability Corporation law. He had so what donald trump filed was illegitimate originally but then the department of education got on his case to try to make him to change it, and from all the materials i read from the state officials he stalled them. The other answer to your question is its more than 6,000 of the 7,000 people are now suing. Yes. So thats a pretty good sign. You make a very important point in your article about donald trump to you, trying to get you in there, was trying to tell you that youre going to meet him, hes going to be on campus at some point, hes deeply involved, hes choosing all the students. This is my favorite. In the court case right. Donald trump claims, i knew nothing about anything, i had nothing to do with this place, and he claims complete ignorance of the whole thing because hes trying to get off the liability thats exactly right. I mean, it is the tale of two depositions, if you will. In the same deposition. First he says im going to handpick your professors, im intimately involved. Thats what he tells the customers. Thats what he tells the customers. Then when he gets sued personally as well as having his llc, his limited Liability Corporation suit, his lawyers immediately move to remove him personally and in their languages he was largely absent from the company, he had nothing to do with any of the teaching, he only had to do with guess what, the marketing. So they tried to walk that tightrope. And the judge just laughed at them and said he is personally in the case, the case is supposed to happen in august. The judge has vowed there are going to be no delays, and well see what happens. Youre a legal expert. Its a big deal that the judge did not let him get out of the case as an individual. Its a big deal he didnt get out of the case as an individual. The other big decision was true to form he sued the first of the plaintiffs. He turned around and sued that plaintiff. And he lost the case. He the plaintiff was awarded 900,000 in legal costs against trump, which he hasnt paid yet. And it went all the way up to the court of appeals in the 9th circuit and the court of appeals said that he had no grounds to sue this person and in fact his defense that she had filled out a card, as you did right afterwards, had nothing to do with it because if this is a ponzi scheme you dont know youve been cheated until you realize youve been cheated. Right. Were going to have to leave it there for tonight. Bob guillo, thank you very much for coming in. Youre welcome. Im very sorry that you paid all that money for these books. Im really sorry that happened to you. Steve brill, thank you for invaluable reporting on this. Striking to me that nowhere in any of the televised interviews of donald trump did anybody ask him anything about Trump University. And now they until marco rubio brought it up in the debate. Now they need to not let him get away with the 98 . 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I dont believe ive ever met him. Im pretty sure i didnt meet him. And i just dont know anything about him. That was donald trump yesterday trying to hold on to the support of White Supremacists by refusing to condemn the ku klux klan or former klan leader david duke. Today trump apologists followed the Trump Campaigns talking points on this that dont mention david duke but do mention robert bird, United States senator whos been dead for five years. Let me ask you this. Do you think Hillary Clinton is going to have to answer for her relationship with senator robert bird, who was an actual member of the kkk . Hillary clinton actively sought out the endorsement of democratic kkk senator robert bird. Donald drum p didnt seek out any endorsement. He disavowed it. I think this has really been blown out of proportion and it really does highlight more media bias when no one has asked barack obama to disavow senator robert bird who was not just a klans member but a leader in the klan when he endorsed him in 2008. He was not a leader in the klan when he endorsed barack obama. But yes, democratic senator robert byrd was a leader of a small group of klansmen in a small town in West Virginia in the 1940s. Robert byrd grew up in a house with no electricity, no running water, no bathroom, in a povertystricken coalmining town. He couldnt afford to go to college but eventually began reading the classics himself and would quote them frequently after he was elected to the United States senate in 1958. In 1960 robert byrd tried to block john f. Kennedys road to the presidency by endorsing Hubert Humphrey in the crucial West Virginia primary. Robert byrd voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964. And in 1967 senator byrd voted against the confirmation of thurgood marshall, the first africanamerican appointed to the United States supreme court. In 1971 senator byrd launched a coup against senator ted kennedy by running against senator kennedy for majority whip, a position senator kennedy had held for two years. Byrd and he won that coup. Senator byrd kept climbing the leadership ladder and became the majority leader in 1976. By the time he died in office, robert byrd had become and remains the longestserving member in the history of the United States senate. When senator byrd set a Senate Record by casting his 17,000th vote in 2004, ted kennedy said this every time bob casts a vote, he sets a new record. Its not fair, though, that he counts the votes he cast in the roman senate too. But we love him anyway and we never stop learning from him. Ted kennedy forgave robert byrd for snatching the majority whips job from him. He forgave robert byrd for trying to stop his brother jacks road to the white house. He forgave robert byrds vote against thurgood marshall. He forgave byrds opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. And yes, he forgave senator byrds membership in the ku klux klan. Robert byrds chapter of the klan was not known to be involved in any violence. Senator byrd said they never conducted any parades or marches or public demonstrations of any kind. Robert byrd came to be ashamed of his membership in the klan. He said, it has emerged throughout my life to haunt and embarrass me. In 2005 he told eric pianin of the washington post, i know now i was wrong. Intolerance had no place in america. I apologized a thousand times, and i dont mind apologizing over and over again. I cant erase what happened. Three years later senator byrd had a politically difficult choice to make with two Democratic Senators vying for the partys president ial nomination. He made the same choice that ted kennedy did, and he endorsed the new guy in the senate, barack obama, over Hillary Clinton. Senator byrds constituents in West Virginia did not like that one bit. In the West Virginia primary they voted overwhelmingly for Hillary Clinton over barack obama. And in the general election barack obama lost West Virginia by 13 points. Over the course of their senate careers robert byrd and ted kennedy ended up agreeing much more than they disagreed. They both voted against the iraq war. They supported president obamas Affordable Care act, as they both neared the end of their lives. Senator byrd had to be wheeled onto the senate floor to cast repeated decisive votes for the Affordable Care act. If senator byrd had not made it to the senate floor on those days to cast those votes, there would be no argument over obamacare today because obamacare would not exist. That is the robert byrd who the Trump Campaign now wants to compare to the unrepentant racist and donald trump supporter david duke. If robert byrd were with us today, he would be condemning donald trump with more passion and eloquence than any of the republican president ial candidates. Well, tavis smiley is also here my campaign is powered by millions of small contributions. People like you who want to fight back. The truth is you cant change a corrupt system by taking its money. Im Bernie Sanders. I approve this message. Join us for real change. They are. Do i look smarter . Yeah, a little. Youre making money now, are you investing . Well, ive been doing some research. Let me introduce you to our broker. How much does he charge . I dont know. Okay. Uh, do you get your fees back if youre not happy . dad laughs wow, youre laughing. Thats not the way the world works. Well, the worlds changing. Are you asking enough questions about the way your wealth is managed . 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You say david duke to me i say racist. Immediately. Why wouldnt he condemn the ku klux klan . There is no room in the conservative movement and there is no room in the Republican Party for members of the ku klux klan or for racists like david duke. [ cheers and applause ] joining us now, tavis smiley, host of tavis smiley on pbs. Also with us tom davis, former congressman from virginia where hes the state chairman for john kasichs president ial campaign. Tavis, this is the kind of weekend where when im watching this stuff unfold im just wondering what tavis is thinking. Just take the ball, my friend. I dont have a question. I just want to get your reaction to what weve been watching. First of all, i salute you, lawrence, for that first segment, which is getting at the truth that America Needs to hear about donald trump. To my mind donald trump either suffers from a severe form of chronic amnesia or hes a serial liar. Now, im not a physician, nor am i a psychoanalyst. So i cant tell you which one. What i can tell you is that the Mainstream Media keeps letting him get away with this. This is not some Stephen Colbert version of truthiness. This is more like how might i put this . This is more like sometiminess. Sometimes he remembers, sometimes he forgets. Sometimes he can recall, sometimes he cant. And again, the Mainstream Media keeps letting him get away with this. This is not the first time that Donald Trumps been supported by a white supremacist. Im glad my friend jake tapper finally pressed him on this. But i was on cnn two months ago during the Iowa Caucuses when donald trump had support from a white supremacist doing robocalls for him then. And we tried to make this an issue two months ago. The Mainstream Media didnt want to pick up on it. Now that david duke comes out, they are forced to have to deal with it. But this is what i mean when i say the media keeps covering the horse race but we cant get to the issues. Finally, it just seems to me that donald trump is exactly what we dont need in our leadership today. What America Needs right now at this critical time in our nations history is a leader who understands what it means to be civil. We need civility. We need integrity. We need honesty. And a little bit of humility. And it just seems to me that donald trump isnt what America Needs right about now. Jeff sessions, whos the only senator who has endorsed donald trump, who himself in 1986 was defeated in a Senate Confirmation hearing where he was being considered for a federal judgeship, defeated because of racial incidents in his own personal past, lets listen to what he said today. Even he backed away from donald trump on this. I think what the right answer to this is, this country does not discriminate. We will not, as a no president , no officer in this country should hold office that has any hint of treating people differently because of the color of their skin or where they came from and that kind of thing. We believe in equality and fair treatment, and thats the moral principle that we adhere to as a nation. And i hope he makes that clear. Tom davis, theres Donald Trumps only senate endorser saying we should make it clear that we dont treat people differently because of the color of their skin. But what he doesnt say in there is we dont treat people differently because of their religion, and hes supporting the only president ial candidate in history who has advocated a ban on entering the United States based exclusively on religion. Well, thats right. But that wasnt the question put to him. Donald trump has said so many controversial things throughout this campaign, and the media has made him if you take a look at the expenditures, trump has spent less in this campaign than rubio or cruz. By wide margins theyve outspent him. But the Mainstream Media, every time he sneezes theyre out there covering donald trump. So they have in a sense created this person who is running on emotion and has picked up a lot of steam in these early southern states. And this could be a steamroller if he doesnt get stopped pretty soon. Lets listen to what nebraska senator ben sasse said on msnbc today, republican senator. I think a lot of the people who want to protest vote to try to scream washington is broken, they need to recognize that there are a whole bunch of other people who say if this becomes the David Duke Donald trump party there are a lot of us who are out. Tavis smiley, you would think there would be more republicans saying that. You would think that. But clearly thats not the case. We live now, as ive said so many times, lawrence, and you know this, we live in the most multicultural, multiracial, multiethnic america ever, and it is just mindnumbing to me how this party thinks it can ultimately win, much less govern in that america if they get behind a candidate who believes this. Now, this is not so much about whether anyone agrees or disagrees with cruz or rubio, at least you know where they stand on the issues. We can debate that all da long. I dont think that much of either of them quite frankly to be president. But you know where they stand. But with trump continuing to advance without drilling down on any policy and forgetting every day what he said or didnt say or did or didnt do and now being unwilling to just come out and just acknowledge that this is unacceptable, that we have to do something about racism which is still the most intractable issue in this country. How you figure that your party can win with that kind of candidate just i quite frankly dont get it. Well, we are learning more about trumps supporters. We have seen in previous polls that 66 of them believe president obama is muslim. 60 of them believe that president obama is not a citizen. And in South Carolina where trump had his big, big win, 33 of trump voters, 33 of them believe that islam should be illegal. So tom davis, they believe all the unconstitutional ravings of donald trump. We call them lowinformation voters. Again, trump is running a campaign basically based on emotion, not facts. And so far its been successful. A lot of the people that have entered into this primary process have never voted in republican primaries before, havent identified with the Republican Party before, but they identify with donald trump. And thats the avenue that they have to participate in. Because of the general overall weakness of the party and the party structure, theyve been able to be successful. Tom davis and tavis smiley, thank you both very much for joining us tonight. Really appreciate it. Thank you, lawrence. Thank you. Coming up, my reaction to the medias wild overreaction to big loser Chris Christies endorsement of donald trump. Were winning with old. Were winning with young. Were winning with highly educated. Out on the town or in for the night, at t helps keep everyone connected. Right now at at t, buy one get one free on our most popular smartphones. No matter how you hang out, share every minute of it. Buy one get one free on our most popular smartphones. And right now, get up to 650 in credits per line to help you switch to at t. So we know how to cover almost alanything. Ything, even a stag pool party. party music splashing destruction splashing destruction burke and we covered it, october twentyseventh, 2014. Talk to farmers. 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Donald trump has the highest percentage of voters with negative feelings toward him of any candidate running for president , democrat or republican, and Donald Trumps net favorability is the worst of any candidate running for president. The most recent national poll, which was completed on saturday, shows donald trump ahead among Republican Voters with 49 support. Joining us now is sam wang, the manager of princeton universitys election consortium. Also with us david korn, the Washington Bureau chief for mother jones and an msnbc political analyst. Professor, youve looked at all these numbers in the Republican Campaign. What are you seeing . Well, the interesting thing about trump is that he is somebody whos been in the public eye for several decades, and his negatives were a little bit higher back in july but they improved a little bit in july and august as he improved in the republican race. But hes been at a negative net 20 . In other words, 20 more unfavorable than favorable for the last four or five months. And hes been pretty rock solid. So it feels like hes in a pretty steady place at this point. Hes a known quantity. Professor, is there any model of any previous candidate with this high and solid a negative that was able to change that negative into a positive . Well, sometimes negatives and positives do change. So for instance, his negatives were even higher among Republican Voters back in july. But as it became clear that he was in the front of the pack, his negatives declined somewhat. So these things can change. Hillary clintons positives were higher when she was a public figure but not a politician, when she was secretary of state or former secretary of state, and her positives went down as she became a partisan candidate. So these numbers can change somewhat. Theres a new nbc marist poll, state poll, which these polls ended before thursday nights gop debate in the Tennessee Republican president ial primary among likely voters there donald trump was at 40. Ted cruz 22. Marco rubio 19. Ben carson 9. John kasich 6. David korn, one of the problems im having with some of these latereleasing polls is they do not include all of the events right up until this afternoon. And it feels to me like in the Republican Campaign if youve done a poll that does not include the thursday night debate where marco rubio finally took off the gloves against donald trump, doesnt include any of the insult match that went on over the weekend rubio versus trump, im not sure these polls can get the dynamic of where we are right now. It seems were in a faster news cycle than ever before. Nothing seems to last more than an hour or two before we chew it up and move on to the next thing. And marco rubio on wednesday was saying im not here to attack any politician. On thursday he changed his tune. And over the weekend he was talking about the size of trumps genitalia. I mean, this campaign has become completely crazy. So if youre going to be polling it, you really have to be polling it almost on an hourly basis. But fortunately, lawrence, we have these things called elections. And so come tomorrow, you know, the only poll that counts, everyone says, well get a sense of what the last few days have really meant. But i think sams right. Over the long period Donald Trumps general well, the populations general attitude toward him has not shifted. And nothing thats happened in the last couple of days i think is going to make people who dont like him feel more positive towards him. And its unlikely to happen as that food fight continues. And professor, what do the numbers tell us now about how donald trump would fare in a general election against a democrat . Its hard to tell. General election matchups arent very predictive. It looks like it might be about evenly matched. Some even show its hard to say what at such a distant date. I do think that right now trumps numbers are actually looking unchanged and maybe pretty strong for tuesday, and he only needs about 30 of the vote on tuesday to get a majority of delegates. And that should give everyone pause for thought. How close will we be, professor, at the end of tuesday to donald trump having this nomination . Well, it is it would be highly unusual for a candidate polling where he is in the high 30s and low 40s in such a divided field not getting the nomination. So the key here is that he can win a majority of delegates with only getting 30 of the vote on tuesday night, and that is unusual. Its because of republican rules that reward whoever is first past the post. So in fact, he has a little ways to drop before even after friday and thursday nights events, and he could still get a majority of delegates. So he could do it. All right. Stick with us. 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When voter turnouts are large, when working people and young people and people who in many cases have given up on the political process, when they come out to vote we do very well. So my request to you is that let us make history tomorrow. [ cheers and applause ] according to the polls, Hillary Clinton is leading in most of the 11 states that will vote tomorrow. Today Hillary Clinton seemed more focused on the possibility of facing donald trump in the general election. When youve got somebody running for president whos insulting people, insulting their religion, weve got to Pay Attention to what is said because everybody else in the world pays attention. And it has consequences. In a campaign and then most seriously in the white house. David korn and professor sam wang are back with us. David, it sounds like Hillary Clinton is already looking beyond super tuesday. It sure does. I mean, right now she has the better path to the nomination mathematically than Bernie Sanders. Bernie senator sanders, to be polite, has to find a way to win states that are not predominantly, you know, white and progressive. And South Carolina showed that hes at a very, very, you know, big handicap there. And he had you know, a week or two after New Hampshire to work the state for the rest of the calendar. You have a lot of states voting all at once. Youve got to jump around a lot. You dont have the luxury of spending a long period of time trying to work a constituency you that may not have a Natural History with. So thats why right now it looks like Hillary Clinton is sitting in the catbirds seat and unless Bernie Sanders starts threatening her again if something surprising happens tomorrow, which is a possibility, shes turning and shes acting like the democratic elder stateswoman whos going to go up against donald trump. Its a great narrative for her. Professor, you tend not to get surprised by Election Results because you study the numbers leading up to them so closely. What do you see tomorrow night . Well, right now if you look at my numbers at election. Princeton. Edu were really up on the election. These late polls are pretty predictive. And these are strong states for Hillary Clinton. Shes probably up an average of 20 Percentage Points on sanders. And it looks like his strongest states will be of course vermont, his home state. And i think that shes going to sweep Something Like 7 or 8 out of these dozen or so states. So its going to be a big night for her. And where does that leave senator sanders going into next week . Well, these are stronger states for her than the general all 50 states put together. Shes 20 points up in these states but only five points up in national polls. So i would say that if the polls are wrong, for instance, shes up by about 8 or 9 points in massachusetts but if sanders can pull out a win in massachusetts and well find that out pretty early, then that indicates that maybe things are better for sanders than expected. But i would say that we would im personally going to be watching massachusetts fairly closely. But i think its a tough road for sanders. David, whats the state youre watching closest tomorrow . Well, i was going to say massachusetts as well because thats a state where Bernie Sanders should have a good affinity. Its new england. It has a very democratic the democrats there have a very liberal background. It should be good territory for him. And its surprising that these early polls show him trailing there. And so if he cant win over massachusetts, it may be an indicator that though he generates all this great excitement, has these big rallies, he cant really get beyond that when it comes to bringing new voters to the polls. And professor, massachusetts as we know is also filled with college campuses. Thats Bernie Sanders demographic. So yet another reason to look for him to do well. And if he doesnt do well, so much more a signal of whats going to happen after massachusetts. Absolutely. Totally agree. And so david, how what is this what would be the sanders wednesday morning strategy if the polls are accurate in what to expect for an outcome tomorrow night . Well, as sam just said, some states coming up ahead some voting days are going to be more favorable to him. But at some point in time, you know, if the trend continues, and i dont want to im not counting him out. So all you bernie fans, dont write me. Or tweet at me. But if the trend continues, at some point hes going to have to make a decision about whether he really is going to why hes staying in the race if he is going to stay in the race. Is it to get as many delegates as he can to have more sway at the convention . Is he sticking around hoping that something external is going to happen and upturn the democratic race and give him another chance . But hes going of it to make that decision. Maybe soon in the next couple weeks. David korn gets tonights last word. Sam wang and david korn, thank you both for joining us tonight. Appreciate it. Sure thing, lawrence. Programming note. Tomorrow, 5 00 p. M. Eastern, thats when msnbc will begin super tuesday Election Night coverage. Party crashing. Lets play hardball. Good evening. Im Chris Matthews down in houston, texas. The Harris County smokehouse on the eve of the most important day so far in the president ial race. Super tuesday. Heres the question. Is the Republican Party coming apart . This week it appeared to erupt on all fronts