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good evening, lawrence. rachel i believe you just expanded the staff of the rachel maddow show by millions and millions of people. >> oh if there were just millions and millions. at least dozens and dozens. >> thanks rachel. this morning, president obama credited president john kennedy with the principle that has guided the obama administration's approach to iran. he quoted jfk's inaugural address saying let us never negotiate out of fear but let us never fear to negotiate. >> a landmark deal setting off a global debate. >> a comprehensive, long-term deal with iran that will prevent it from obtaining a nuclear weapon. >> we are the first administration to actually stop their program. >> this is an important step. >> what a stunning historic mistake. >> making comments way over the top. >> the next battle for israel is the battle on capitol hill. >> i welcome a robust debate in congress if in fact it's a fair deal as i think it is at this moment we'll do everything we can to stop it. >> the iranians have prevailed in this negotiation. >> this is the most dangerous, irresponsible deal. >> the most dangerous irresponsible thing is iran with a nuclear weapon. >> what the critics of this plan never offered was a realistic alternative. >> simply no deal means a greater chance of more war in the middle east. >> i don't understand the president. >> the iranian people have a new future with america, new prospect and new era. >> let's give it a chance and see if it works. >> that's the deal. >> the islamic republic of iran has agreed to a joint plan of action with the united states and five other countries, which on page one says, "iran reaffirms that under no circumstances will iran ever seek develop or acquire any nuclear weapons." there are another 150 pages of details in the plan with more to follow in annexes of that plan in the future. but that is the essence of the plan. under no circumstances will iran ever seek develop or acquire any nuclear weapons. president obama announced the deal at 7:00 a.m. today and we'll have more to say about it in a 1:00 p.m. press conference tomorrow. the president discussed the plan with "the new york times" tom friedman today. >> we have cut off every pathway for iran to develop a nuclear weapon. across the board, what we've been able to do is to assure that iran will not get a nuclear weapon and that was always the premise, tom, of us building the strong international sanctions regime. the notion that the world signed up for these sanctions in order to either achieve regime change to solve every problem in terms of iranian behavior or to say to that, they can never have peaceful nuclear power, that was never something that was in the cards. >> iran has agreed to get rid of 98% of its stockpile of enriched uranium, currently enough for ten nuclear weapons and reduced to an amount too small for a single weapon. iran has agreed to remove two-thirds of its centrifuges that produced uranium. currently they have enough to produce a nuclear bomb in a couple of months and has agreed not to produce weapons grade plutonium. today, president obama had a message for the world. >> precisely because the stakes are so high this is not the time for politics or posturing. tough talk from washington does not solve problems. hard-nose diplomacy, leadership that has united the world's major powers offers a more effective way to verify that iran is not pursing a nuclear weapon. history shows that america must lead not just with our might but with our principles. we are stronger not just alone but when we bring the world together. today's announcement marks one more chapter in this pursuit of a safer and more helpful, more hopeful world. >> joining us now, phyllis bennis from washington. she's the author of the new book "understanding isis and the new global war on terror." also joining us is james troud and harvard professor matthew bunn who developed a secret study for president clinton on the study of nuclear materials in russia. professor bunn first to you, in your reading of this deal what is your ultimate assessment of it? >> i do think it's an important breakthrough that will reduce the spread of nuclear weapons around the world and, in particular, in iran. it's actually a bit better than i would have expected would have been possible given the hostility and the stiff neck of the iranian regime. you have provisions designed to cut off or at least hem in each pathway iran may take on the bomb. on the uranium enrichment they are cutting back two-thirds of their centrifuges and the stock that they have. there's also a plutonium path to the bomb. there they are agreeing to modify their reactors so it won't produce much plutonium to ship out of the country all of the spent fuel that contains that spent ur rain yeb once generated in the reactor and then also not to ever build a plant to reprocess, to chemically separate out that plutonium from the spent fuel. the plutonium path is pretty well blocked. and then to me the most important part is covert sites. that's what iran has tried to do in the past is go covert. and while the key to our confidence on that is our intelligence agencies this deal gives us a number of particular provisions fairly wide ranging inspections, the ability to to monitor all of the claims of technology that iran needs to procure to fuel such a covert site and cutting back that stockpile of enriched uranium will also help because it will mean since it will give them a head start of enriching bomb material that's about two-thirds of the work already done then a covert site without that material would have to be almost three times as big or take almost three times as long making it easier to detect. >> well -- >> overall, this deal gives us quite a lot on hemming in iran's nuclear program. >> professor, we're getting close to a -- you were getting close to a very specific response and effect to a major republican talking point today about being able to see -- check things anywhere anytime. in fact donald trump has mastered that talking point. let's listen to his version of it. >> anytime, anywhere we should be able to go anytime, anywhere. we should be able to go in and inspect. if you don't have that you have nothing. >> professor, we have that on the known sites but what the deal seems to be saying if the united states and others want to go and inspect an area that has previously not been discussed, there is some room for negotiation and delay on iran's part on those kinds of inspections. >> so, what trump is saying is utter nonsense. >> well we kind of knew that. >> the reality is that no state that has not been defeated in war has ever accepted anytime, anywhere inspections. we wouldn't accept it. neither will iran. what there is in this agreement, and what you have to understand is that it takes months and years to construct and then operate the facility to produce material for a bomb at a covert location. so you have time to negotiate, to discuss. and the way international atomic agency inspections work they get information from a wide range of sources, from their own inspections, from intelligence agencies, from satellite photographs, from other sources. they then decide where they want to go inspect. they say to a country, we think there's an issue. we want to go inspect at such and such a place. here's why. and then they have the right to go and inspect there. there is a provision, if the country objects and says well that's a very sensitive location. i've got military activities there that have nothing to do with nuclear weapons that i don't want you to come see. if the country can convince the iaea without offering access if there's some other way to convince them that their concerns are unjustified, then they can do that. but if they are unable to convince the iaea then they still have a right to go. and there's a provision in the agreement for the whole group, including iran but also including the six countries they were negotiating with to essentially vote on whether the inspector will be able to go and that means iran won't be able to block because even with countries like russia or china voting with them they wouldn't have the majority of that group. >> phyllis bennis your reaction to the deal. >> i think the technical points that professor bunn was just talking about is important but the broader, most important aspect is that this deal this agreement is a huge victory of diplomacy over war. it gives us clear evidence that diplomacy works. and that's really important in an era when we're hearing constantly there is no military solution, whether it's to isis or the crisis in syria, libya and iraq and yet the only strategy we see being opposed tends to be a military strategy. so this is a very important example of why the point that is made is true there is no military solution and there is in fact a negotiated diplomatic solution. so i think that point is by far the most important aspect. now, separate from that there's a host of other issues. not least is looking ahead to the future. this could be a moment of a beginning. i don't think we should be looking at this agreement as the end. this is just the beginning of what could be a whole new way of relating between the u.s. and iran. >> james bibi netanyahu attacked the deal as he said he would before it was completed and without attacking the deal is exactly what the iranian negotiators had to hear in order to ultimately accept the deal. if the israeli prime minister was saying hey, it sounds pretty good to me you never would have gotten an iranian agreement on that. >> well yes. of course the congress said the same thing the the republican critics said obama could not have gotten the deal unless the republicans scared the hell out of the iranians and they had no choice in the matter. i think this goes to a different issue. for netanyahu and other critics, i think the issue is they see iran as an incredibly reckless and rogue state creating violence throughout the middle east and really their objection is any deal that would remove sanctions from iran is going to make iran a worse actor and not a better actor. is the deal going to make possible a change in iran towards what we would call a more normal and status quo country? i suspect the answer is in the short run, no. it's probably going to get worse and obama is going to have trouble with the deal. but reasonably in the long run this could produce political changes inside iran that might make iran a more normal actor in the region. >> we're going to take a break and come back with more. professor bunn thank you. appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up who actually knows donald trump? will join us tonight to try to explain the presidential candidacy of donald trump. if you can't stand the heat, get off the test track. get the mercedes-benz you've been burning for at the summer event, going on now at your authorized 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kerrycarefully, he repeatedly said he'd wait to see how the obama administration answers questions in senate hearings. they were very clear where they stand on the deal. >> if we don't do this today and we walk away what does the future hold? well, it means iran will be more and more isolated, it means that they will in fact build a nuclear weapon and at the end of the day it means confrontation and war. >> senator barbara boxer also said if this agreement is what the administration says it is it is a major historic diplomatic breakthrough. dianne feinstein said i stand behind the u.s. negotiating team and we'll support will agreement in the senate. the only democrat in the senate running for president said this. >> i applaud the president, secretary kerry for their efforts in a very crazy and dangerous world to create an agreement with iran which prevents iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon. this is a huge breakthrough obviously the devil is in the details. we're all going to study those details but this is clearly a major step forward. >> speaking for himself and probably most republicans in the house, speaker john boehner said this. >> the deal that we have out there, in my view from what i know thus far, is unacceptable. it's going to be -- it's going to hand a dangerous regime billions of dollars in sanctions relief while paving a way for a nuclear iran and we're going to do everything we can to get to the details and if in fact it's as bad of a deal as i think it is at this moment we'll do everything we can to stop it. >> according to a washington post account of the senate there are 24 senators ready to vote "yes" or are leaning in favor of voting for the iran deal. 48 senators are leaning no or ready to vote no and 28 positions are completely unknown. half of them are democrats. joining us now, austin goosley, he's currently a professor of economics at the university of chicago and back with us phyllis bennis and james. if this comes to a vote in congress where they would have to block it they would have to overcome a presidential veto and this looks like the president is probably going to be safe in preserving a veto here. but i'd like to get your reaction here to what it means to be lifting these economic sanctions on iran and the timetable for doing that which is not immediate. >> yeah. you know there's kind of an interesting wrinkle in the agreement about that. that they are going to lift the sanctions. i think most experts who look at sanctions recognize that sanctions are not really effective at regime change. you can look at cuba at north korea, at the soviet union, you could look at iran. we've had sanctions for long periods of time without regime change, without preventing them from developing nuclear weapons. but the thing that the agreement does is set up kind of some automatic stabilizers, let's call it that if they take these actions, then the sanctions will go away and if they are found in violations, they automatically come back. i thought that's a relatively creative way to get around the normal problem, which is okay we finally ramped up everybody to get rid of the sanctions and then if they start breaking the rules, how do we ramp everybody -- get everybody back on the same page to reimpose them? here i think they kind of do that automatic. >> i want to read two tweets from elizabeth warren that might leave everybody confused. the first one she put out today said diplomacy is our best hope of ending the threat of a nuclear armed iran far better than the alternative escalating tensions and war. now, that seemed clear until a minute later when she put out this tweet saying, "i look forward to reviewing the details of the agreement to determine whether they are tough, verifiable and effective." phyllis bennis it seems as some people are taking their time to put it mildly in coming around to a position on this. >> well i think that this is very much a politically driven hesitation. this isn't because she hasn't yet read the 180 pages, i'm guessing. i think it's because everybody in the senate and in the house, everybody in washington is being very careful so they don't get accused of being too soft on the agreement, too harsh on the agreement, too harsh towards president obama, not harsh enough towards iran. there's a host of unanswered questions. nobody is mentioning for example, israel's nuclear arsenal of high-density nuclear bombs. that's not in the agreement either and no one seems to think that they can talk about that. this is one of those things where we are only going to look at certain aspects of what is in the agreement. we're not going to talk about everything in the agreement and we're not going to talk about some things that are not in the agreement but we're going to talk a lot about some other things that are not in the agreement. so there is a whole politilization. i doubt they have sat down and actually read that 150 pages and said, here's what it actually says and here's what we might want to ask more questions about, this is what we can support and this is all based on statements that they drafted before the announcement was ever made in the majority of cases. and i think that's quite problematic because people are not looking at the reality of the actual agreement. they are looking at what they hoped it would be or what they fear it might be. >> james, i was struck by some of the little escape hatches that people who sounded like opponents left in their statements. john boehner had a written statement today that was very strong and sounded like absolute opposition and then when he went out and did the verbal version of it, he ad libbed a little bit. if we find it to be a bad deal we will stop it. there was a lot of that. bob menendez saying negative things about it all day and technically leaving open the possibility that they might vote for it. bob corker saying a lot of skepticisms but not shutting the door on it. >> it's an encouraging thought. i think that certainly among the republicans there's such a reflective feeling. if obama says it's good it's bad. but at the same time this is a very big deal. and i imagine somebody like boehner is thinking what if public opinion swings so strongly behind this, is my caucus going to marginalize itself and come out against it? i think bob menendez, who has been a consistent critic of this deal, by the way, not just today, probably feels the same way. i was more struck about what you said about elizabeth warren. i think the fear is that if -- there are a couple different fears that i can imagine. one, if iran does something to violate the agreement but much more likely is beyond the confines of the agreement, hezbollah does something terrible. the war in syria ramps up. iran shows it is a bad actor and then people say how could we have removed the sanctions and given them all of this money to do bad stuff? so, yes, everyone has a reason to hedge their bet. >> phyllis bennis and 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united states together with our international partners has achieved something that decades of animosity has not. a comprehensive long-term deal with iran that will prevent it from obtaining a nuclear weapon. >> joining us now, a historian and jonathan alter, a daily beast columnist. michael, put this day for us in presidential who they are not talking to. specifically, iran. a lot of people thought it was rhetoric. he's now talking in the last two years, especially when many others thought he may be a lame duck and he's serious about both of these things. the result is he's engaged with the iran issue, 30 or 40 years from now we'll know whether it preserved peace in the middle east and brought democracy to iran. >> let's listen to the guiding principle he's used in these negotiations and he used it today, crediting president kennedy. >> this deal is also in line with a tradition of american leadership. it's now more than 50 years since president kennedy stood before the american people and said let us never negotiate out of fear but let us never fear to negotiate. >> jonathan alter, you can feel the direct line from jfk to president obama in this situation. >> yeah, because jfk started the beginning of relations with the soviet union where -- that led eventually to the salt talks and arms control and this deal is very much in line with that. it's dealing with our principle adversary and reducing world tensions. this is a huge historical moment. if you say that climate change is the biggest long-term problem facing the world, iran with nuclear weapons was the biggest short and medium-term problem in the entire world. you know, we talk about a lot of issues every day. this is number one. >> uh-huh. >> in terms of our safety and our continuation of our way of life. so -- >> michael, this does feel like one of those nights where we are writing that first draft of history, as they say, about journalism. >> right. >> if this deal works, if we look up 20 years from now and iran has done absolutely nothing in the direction of nuclear weaponry, will this actually be then the single most important accomplishment of the obama administration? >> if this works, historians will throw laurels on barack obama's head 30 or 40 years from now, if it does. you were mentioning and he quoted john kennedy's quote about never let us fear to negotiate, even kennedy who said that in his inaugural address, that was written by the economist and even kennedy was reluctant to use it in the speech. stephenson died 50 years ago today, issueronically. >> this is not just negotiating, michael. this is negotiating with the devil, as american politics see it. >> right. >> and president obama said he would have direct contact with iran, in this instance through his secretaries of state hillary clinton and now john kerry. this was a big reach for a presidential candidate to say that. >> it shows how much of a difference it can make who is president. who else lawrence who might have conceivably been president in 2008 been elected, either the republican or democratic side would have felt so strongly about doing this and finally been successful in getting a deal. >> michael, what do we know in presidential history about the president himself having the vision to be able to see this kind of thing even apparently before the advisers around him are seeing this kind of thing that way. >> that's what it really comes down to. and even you know a president who sees things differently in a moment of crisis cuban missile crisis of october 1962 after 12 days, the joint chiefs of staff were demanding that john kennedy bomb cuba and invade what we now know would have led to nuclear war, it was kennedy feeling so strongly that the issue of russian missiles in cuba was not so important that in retrospect caused us to avoid having 40 million human beings in the northern hemisphere killed in a nuclear war. that's the difference it made. >> jonathan alter, it's so easy to think it's all about who are the people surrounding the president but certainly there still are those moments where it's all about who is president. >> absolutely. and this is not very well known but in the first two years of the obama presidency getting russia and china to sign on to sanctions, to not veto sanctions in the security council, was barack obama's major objective. he invested huge amounts of time in that. nobody knew about it. everybody was focused on afghanistan and osama bin laden and other issues. but this was a priority of him. >> michael beschloss, thank you for joining us. coming up donald trump and the rest of the presidential candidates react to the iran deal. ♪ ♪ ♪ (vo) making the most out of every mile. that's why i got a subaru impreza. love. it's what makes a subaru a subaru. watch as these magnificent creatures take flight, soaring away from home towards the promise of a better existence. but these birds are suffering. because this better place turned out to have an 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they would have let them out in two minutes. if the right messenger delivered that message. i'll take it a step further, they should have been out from the beginning of the negotiations not the end. but who would think they do a negotiation and we have our four prisoners. >> that was donald trump's talking points against the iran deal. within the last hour the front-runner for the democratic presidential nomination hillary clinton issued this written statement saying "i am still studying the details but based on the briefings i received and a review of the documents, i support the agreement because it can help us prevent iran from getting a nuclear weapon. with vigorous enforcement, unyielding verifications, and swift consequences for any violations this agreement can make the united states israel and our arab partners safer." jonathan alter, this is the issue of the day in the presidential campaign. trump has got the talking points memorized, what about the releasing the prisoners? what is the white house's response to that in? >> of course it would have been great to get that done but the question is whether anything even these inhumane treatment of these prisoners should have gotten in the way of the larger picture and this deal. i don't have any problem with trump and other people who are not in the senate sounding off on this. but i think it's really really wrong and irresponsible for any united states senator to sound off about a treaty they haven't read. they need to at least read the 80 pages before they take a position. to give you an example of how much things have changed, in 1978 when jimmy carter signed the panama canal treaty which was extraordinary unpopular at the time it was signed he asked all 100 senators will you just wait a couple of days until we brief you on the details and we hear and answer your questions before you blast the treaty? 99 of them agreed. only jesse helms said no. at that time they believed in deliberation. they believed that they owed it to the american people to actually study a deal before they attacked it. that's not the way politics works anymore, unfortunately. >> austin you know that's not the way it works. they've got to have something to say and they've got to have something to say today. let's look at how marco rubio responded. he actually got a tv ad ready for this. let's watch this. >> lessons of history are that evil is either confronted and defeated or it grows and it spreads. >> july 14th 2015 barack obama make as deal giving iran a clear path to a nuclear bomb. congress can stop it. marco rubio is leading the fight. >> austin i guess not a big surprise in the way of modern campaigning works. >> no. look, i would say two things. the first is absolutely as i say, these guys have got the olympic syndrome where it doesn't matter if the president does a triple lutz or invents a quadruple and gives it to them with a bow, they are giving him a one. you've seen that play out. if any presidential candidate even opened the door that they would consider reading it before condemning it would you never hear from that candidate again. but the second thing i would say, especially in the case of donald trump you've got people whose -- the limits of their experience with nuclear technology is cooking a swanson dinner in the microwave and they are condemning the work of the nuclear scientists who have told us they can limit the amount of nuclear material that iran has to far less than one bomb put off their ability to make a weapon for 10 15 years. it's a sad state of affairs that we're not going to read the agreements to find out if it would prevent iran from getting the nuclear weapon better than the status quo is doing. >> and jonathan hillary clinton's statement goes on and says, look we will snap back on these sanctions. she was very threatening. and it's an example of how you can accept and support this deal and maintain your toughness on iran. >> yeah. i actually think that before this is done the president is going to have to go further than that and say that if there are violations of this agreement, that all options are on the table. in other words, not to wait for possible military action until they've actually built or are about to build a bomb. but if they are diddling us and we don't have any recourse then you know things should get bellicose at that point and that should be the way that they sell the deal that there's honey and vinegar in this. >> lawrence two things. >> go ahead. >> i think two things are going to play into the president's favor, if you want to think of it that way, in the public's view. the first is the issue of credibility. that in many cases these are literally the same people making the same arguments for why use of force in iraq and going to war, that making the argument that that would make the middle east a safer and better place are making the same argument in reverse against this deal. i think that's going to play to the 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(doorbell) whoa! what's this? swiffer sweeper! swiffer dusters! removes up to 70% of dust and allergens. stays on there like glue. can't do that with the other broom. wow, i love it. the tobin stance! that is totally what it is! you know donald trump? >> well yes. we've never hung out in the basement but i sat there for hours. the five minutes he does during the show is called down. from an hour and a half to two hours him pontifficating this. >> is great because you are someone bho who talks with his hands more and it doesn't matter what he says because -- >> talk about the size of a trout. >> can you explain to me what is this about? watch the move where he reaches out to the person without quite touching the person. what is that? did he do that to you a lot? first of all, does it mean stay over there while i -- >> when you're in the board room, you're not allowed to put your hands on the table. you sit there for an hour and a half and you'll talk about real estate, he'll talk about sex, he'll talk about anything and then they edit it down. >> she just moved her hands. it's contagious. >> i'm doing it. it made me self-conscious now. i'll keep my hands in my lap. >> watch the master. watch this all the way to the end. >> he's only got four moves. >> no. they are endless. they are just endless. >> so when you can find on msnbc, when you can find worse about trump as he moves his hand too much when he talks. that's your point? 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>> sure. >> so the winner of "all-star celebrity apprentice" is the very great trace adkins. >> trace was unavailable tonight but we're joined now by who came in second on "all-star celebrity apprentice." see the prompter? pen is penn is starring in "penn & teller." i take it you named that? >> no i didn't. back on broadway -- i want to talk about trump but i've got to talk about your show. >> please. >> i have seen "penn & teller" a lot. i have stolen one of your bits and wrote it into a west wing -- i haven't been to the show in a few years. just about everything in there is new, it's incredible. it's intimate. it's a giant theater and you bring it down to a candlelight at the end. let's stay a little after and we'll talk about this online the show. so trump, who you know i want to play you something that i think it turns out trump may be the best analyst of donald trump we have amongst us and i want you to listen to what he said the other day about being loved. you will love this. >> i always wanted to be loved, you know? like when i went on dates, if a woman dropped me which happened often, i would always like to say or at least in my own mind that i dropped her. does that make sense? so what happened makes me feel better. >> it's as if we're listening to his tapes with his psychiatrist. it's just -- >> i mean -- you know the american public prayed for somebody in the political scene who would tell the truth without filters. and like the monkey's paw, it's come back and bitten him in the butt. here's someone without filters. is this what you want? and it's kind of refreshing except that he's wrong about everything. but if he weren't wrong -- bernie kind of tells the truth. >> bernie sanders. >> yeah. >> by the way, you as a libertarian, ron paul is rolling over in his bed tonight over what his son has said about this iran deal where it's a very you know republican war mongering kind of thing, this deal is no good, we should keep saber rattling at iran. so there is no candidate for you. >> no. >> in the libertarian world. >> it will be gary johnston at some point. >> yeah. now, i believe -- i believe on the set right now is the first donald trump tie to ever make an appearance on this show. is that a -- can you reveal -- >> i want you to see that this right here is 100% plastic. >> the gold? >> yeah the gold is plastic. the gold is plastic. i want to say very clearly, i got this tie for free. >> uh-huh. >> i was on "celebrity apprentice" to the very end and they gave this to me and i am not guilty of the exploitation this tie represents. >> so you got, out of "celebrity apprentice" a free tie and you got millions in box office sales in vegas, i hear. >> i'm doing okay. >> it turns out that's the kind of show that drives a lot to vegas. >> i used to think when i went on tv i should do what i do do amazing magic tricks that doesn't matter. just being on tv sells tickets and they come to our show and learn what we do. >> trump, the more i watch him, there's a child-like aspect to him. that thing about wanting to be loved, it's absolutely true. and isn't he disappointed when people don't like him? >> four years ago when i was on the show i said that i didn't think he would be a good president. i got called by everybody and said, no, no he really wants you to support him. >> everyone in the trump organization? >> backstage before i lost he said to me you really should have supported me for president and this is two years after or something. and i said no i'm not going to support you for president. we're doing a reality show. this is a joke. this is nothing to do -- well you've gotten to know me. no. i mean i do -- i think everyone tonight on "all in." >> because america negotiated from strength and principle, we have stopped the spread of nuclear weapons in this region. >> the president announces a landmark nuclear deal with iran, and republicans go ballistic. >> this is a ter

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