0 good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. chris christie and bridge kelly are playing some serious defense over the bridgegate scandal. she's his former deputy chief of staff who wrote in a message, time for some traffic problems in ft. lee. it snowballed from there. new jersey democrats have issued subpoenas for kelly to turn over her documents and her electronic devices. one goal is to find out if governor christie was involved with the lane closures. on monday, her lawyer said she will not comply with the subpoena saying unfettered access to her information could reveal highly confidential communications not related to the bridge scandal. christie is just fine with kelly pleading the fifth. >> these people all have lawyers not involved with the lane closures. >> the most important issue is did i know anything about the plan to close these lanes, did i authorize it, did i know about it, did i approve it, did i have any knowledge of it beforehand? the answer is still the same. unequivocally, no. >> later on in the interview, things got very interesting. christie's office originally denied any knowledge of the lane clotur cloturw closures. >> i had no knowledge of this, the planning, the execution, or anything about it. i first found out about it after it was over. >> on monday night, christie might have contradicted that statement. the governor said he may have been aware of traffic issues at text a for yes. text b for no. we'll bring you the results later on in the show. for me, let me bring in the ring of fire radio host. good to have you with us tonight. there's a lot to read into this. you have people all over the place taking the fifth. you have chris christie using a little bit different wording in interviews right now. i don't know why he did the interview on radio. will bridget kelly get away with pleading the fifth? is this just a stall tactic or is this going to be her position? what do you think? >> if i'm the lawyer, i want to stall this as much as i can. it's a great stall tactic, but subpoenas are very scary things. they're the first step in trapping coconspirators if there's criminal conduct. if i'm her lawyer and i'm advising her the best i can and there's no conflict of interest, begin with the fifth. we need time to figure out what's going on. certainly, don't commit to anything right now where it comes to defending this governor. down the road, if prosecutors get involved and they're doing their job, the textbook approach to this is to build a case from the bottom up. the message you get with subpoenas, even at this level -- this is not criminal at this level, but prosecutors are looking at what's happened. but the message with the subpoena, ed, is be concerned. when you start building from the bottom, you start looking for frightened and disgruntled employees who are willing to talk. already you have wildstein. i would say wildstein is one of those disgruntled employees. you have kelly. she's an unknown. you ha you have bill stepien, who has now pled the fifth. everything is happening from a bottom up kind of analysis of how to you start a real investigation. it seems to be starting on its own. >> it seems to me that david wildstein is in a better position today now that bridget kelly has come out and pleaded the fifth. obviously, she's a key player in all of this and she was the one that was fired. she's at the center of all of this. if she's going to plead the fifth, does that strengthen wildstein's position to do a deal with the prosecutor? >> i think it does. look a potential criminal investigation, if it's down the road, sometimes it feels like musical chairs. the worst thing you can do is be the last person standing in those musical chairs. we see everybody, their lawyers are advising them on how to adjust to these musical chairs. if i'm wildstein's lawyer, i'm his own client. he's not representing chris christie here. >> how are they going to get to the bottom of this if nobody steps forward? prosecutors might be happy everybody is taking the fifth. >> somebody will move forward. the woman who just resigned. she hasn't pled the fifth yet, but somebody said it is time to get out of here. this is no coincidence. there's very have you coincidences when you start seeing something like this unfold. >> mike, let's get inside the head of governor chris christie for a moment. he's a former prosecutor. he knows how this arena works. if he is involved here, if, if, if, and it eventually points to him, he must be walking a tight rope here that his people are going to cover for him and this isn't going to be a moment of downfall. he goes out and does a two-hour press conference. he goes on radio again. he's holding his line. what do you make of that? where is his head at if he's involved here? >> there's nothing equivocal about what he's said at that point. i'm the governor, and i said it. i'm the governor, and i have all of this -- i'm a step above you where it comes to believability. >> yeah. >> he has to be able to deny, deny, deny. unless documents come forward or unless we see a character say, you know what? this is ridiculous. we talked about it in the office. we talked about it over drinks. he knew about it. he may feel very comfortable taking that position until that happens. this is where he started when he was asked the question whether or not your staff was involved, and he unequivocally said, no, they weren't involved. we've seen it before. the world doesn't operate in a vacuum. >> mike, thank you for your joining us tonight. i want to bring in liouis greenwald. did his interview yesterday kind of muddy the waters? >> it is very interesting sitting in our position as members of the investigative committee. i'm sure you can appreciate. you hear one version versus another. we have to take and assume his statements are true and he is speaking honestly just as we have to assume that mr. wildstein and other witnesses are all telling the truth. if their stories conflict and there are other witnesses and people who have discovery that choose one side or the other to start to make the case and if there is evidence from documentation that proves one side or the other -- i listened to the governor's statements the other day. it was very interesting. >> how hard is this going to be if everybody is taking the fifth? where does that take you and your committee? >> ed, mr. wildstein took the fifth at the committee and then he released a statement. it's a slow process. it's a methodical process. he is interacting and interfacing with counsels who have received the subpoenas. there's a professional dialogue going back and forth. we have started to receive information. extensions have been provided as is custom in a case like this. it will lead to who should come in and testify and when and why and if there are other people we should reach out to. everything they say and everyone says is true. you made the point he is counting on everybody protecting him. he may be counting on the fact he's telling the truth. >> very fair and profound point. no question about that. i want to focus in on wildstein's letter. what does it mean you hear the term "evidence exists"? >> well, as a lawyer, i would say the evidence exists that he either has documentation, a tape, a text, a phone message, something that is hard evidence that he can present, or a witness to a conversation. but we don't know what it means right now. we haven't heard anything further from mr. wildstein. what i would say to you is, again, the same truth we afford to the governor is what we must afford to mr. wildstein. as the investigation progresses, we'll determine who is telling the truth and where was the abuse of power, where did it begin, and how deep did it go? >> finally, are you comfortable with the explanation and the timing of events that the governor presented last night in his radio interview? it seems if i could render personal judgment here that the two didn't exactly jive. that there was some room there that the verbage was different. how would you characterize it? >> i have to look at this through the lens of the investigative committee. there are biases and individual versions of the truth. >> okay. >> the governor parsing his words are trying inin ining oro clarify his statement? >> i appreciate your time tonight. thanks so much. new jersey assemblyman who is on the investigative committee. share your thoughts with us on twitter @edshow and on facebook. pipe dreams. we tackle the keystone pipeline debate. two people against it. i'm for it. all i want is the facts. still ahead, the affordable care act is taking the popularity of the puppy bowl into overtime. olive garden's best 2 for $25 yet is ending soon! choose two melt-in-your mouth entrees, like new parmesan crusted chicken, 3 courses, 2 people, just $25 at olive garden! also enjoy weekday signature favorites, four classic pastas, now just $10! discover card. hey! so i'm looking at my bill, and my fico® credit score's on here. yeah, you've got our discover it card, so you get your fico® score on your monthly statements now, for free! that's nice of you! it's a great way to stay on top of your credit, and make sure things look the way they should. awesomesauce! huh! my twin sister always says that. wait...lisa? 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