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From ousted executive of the New York Times, Jill Abramson. When she speaks, well bring you her comments. Its monday, may 19, 2014. This is the daily rundown. My first reads of the morning were down to the wire. Polls open for this cycles super tuesday. It is the closest thing we have. And the tea party is looking at the real possibility of a series of debates tomorrow. Six states hold votes. Mitch mcconnell now leads his opponent matt bevin. Ill admit, i always have skepticism of polls like the one here. Theyre not made up only of live callers. This is survey usa, they do a lot of what we call robo polling around here but they do do live cell phones to supplement a little bit but it does track with our nbc live poll from last week. Clearly the Mcconnell Campaign is confident. This morning they sent out a memo listing the results for every recent major Senate Primary that featured an ibt on both sides of the aisle. Clearly they blow he will be in the upper half of success of these incumbent versus challenger primaries, that have certainly hurt some incumbents in the past. Yesterday with my colleague steve kornacki, matt bevin sounds like he was already crafting excuses for what appears to be an almost certain defeat. Never has a congressional leader been defeated in a primary. Never. Threw go. One thing well be watching is the size of the antimcconnell vote. Can he win these voters back heading into the fall . Only 39 of bevin voters would back mcconnell and 25 said theyll Cross Party Lines and vote for democrat Alison Lundergran grimes. Will bevin endorse mcconnell . He said hes never backed a democrat but argues he doesnt believe mcconnell is electable. Do i think he can win in november . I dont think he can. For those who worry about keeping the seat, as is often said, they had better play close attention in this primary. Mcconnells rate against, 43 of registered voters backing her, 42 backing mcconnell. Mcconnell told one crowd people look at that i guess one of two ways. They either conclude youve been there too long or youre indispensable. Who haviously im hoping for the latter o i. One place he is not being replaced is this group was asked whether they would support mcconnell. Listen to the answers. My answer is no. Im going to support whoever will sign off on my drive to change the status quo. I made the strongest antiestablishment vote when i was one of 12 republican members that voted against john boehner. I never pledge what im going to do in the future until we look at who is going to be running so i dont know. Absolutely not. We need new leadership. You heard there all of them made some form archcaof a casee would not support mcconnell. Former secretary of state karen handel is trying to bump one of them out to see if she can sneak into the runoff and shes attacking perdue after he suggested last weeks that spending cuts alone wouldnt solve the nations debt crisis. Hes never voted in a regular republican primary. Hes flip flopped on issues that are key to Republican Voters common core bailouts, repealing doddfrank, and now we found out just earlier this week that he seems to be a little bit soft when it comes to not raising taxes. I use the word revenue and revenue is a code word for tax increase evidently in politics. So the point ive been making for over a year is that weve got to get the economy growing that will increase the tax base and that will help solve this debt crisis. The National Narrative may be this is an establishment versus tea party race but none of of the candidates in georgia are eager to distance themselves from the party label. Here whats they told kasie hunt. Do you consider yourself a member of the tea party . Tell me what that is. I have many ideals we agree on. Somebody who support many of the tea party values. I get a little frustrated with all the labels out there. I suppose, yes, i would be tea party. In case youre wondering, if youre frustrated by labels and talking about definitions, that means youre not tea party. If youre tea party, you likely say hey, im tea party. Now, on kasie hunt with nunn on the Health Care Law would you have voted for the Affordable Care act . At the time, i wish we had more time that had worked for a bipartisan legislation. So yes or no . I think its impossible to look back rheetrospectively and answer that. I think shes going to have to get a better answer that that. And in idaho, can the tea party score a major victory this year . And will idaho voters actually show up at the polls . In all of these primaries but in idaho, there was a paltry third turn out. But back to the one of the more combative and expensive races tomorrow, down in georgia, republican congressman paul brown joins me on the phone. Congressman brown, good morning to you, sir. Good morning. Glad to be with you all this morning. Well week just heard these questions to the three candidates. I know the polls say youre chasing in the polls about whether theyre tea party or not. How do you answer the question about whether or not youre tea party and what makes you tea party, and, quote unquote, antiestablishment . Ive been described as a treat party before there was a tea party. Ive been part of the Tea Party Caucus in washington. What makes me a socalled tea partier, and i embrace that moniker, is that i believe in the constitution as our Founding Fathers meant for it to be and that means limited government. Tea party is a Cross Section across america thats fed up with politics as usual in washington. There are five major candidates. Four of them are absolutely part of the establishment and thats the reason they cant answer that. They want to play it on both sides. They want to be an antiestablishment but be part of the establishment. So ive always about the we the people candidate that has been out there actually fighting for working people, for poor people and senior citizens, for families businesses. Those folks that dont have the high powered lobbyists and ov over why do you think if you believe the polls, why do you feel like youve struggled to catch fire here . Well, i have caught fire with we the people across the straight. In fact, what im hearing is the runoff is going to be paul brown and one of the three of the other people. So well see tomorrow night where we are, whether theres enough of our folks that will come out and vote. Turnout is going to be extremely low. I think that may very well help me. One of the major reporters here in the states, syndicated columnist tom crawford said my supporters are so dedicated that to quote him, they will crawl naked over two miles of broken glass just to vote for paul brown. Thats quite the visual there congressman. I do want to ask you, you said some things that many people have found controversial, some people dont like them at all. Youve said the Big Bang Theory lies from the pit of hell, you called Climate Change a hoax, you said this is socialism at the highest order. You think the cdc is part of some socialist agenda . I tell you the centers for Disease Control . What i have made some statements that i stand by, but the thing is that all of us can believe in the fact that this government is just totally out of control. It is spending too much money, its created a debt that is just totally unsustainable. We have to send the power back to the states, to the people and restore fiscal responsibility in washington and thats what separates me from all the other candidates. What they say they will do, i have been doing and thats trying to stop this out of control government. Congressman paul brown, youre campaigning today. Stay safe on the campaign trail and well be watching the race tomorrow. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Let me bring in dan balz. Here we are on the eve to the closest thing we have to super tuesday. It does feel as if the main storyline is the bite of the tea party seems to be lacking teeth. I think thats right. Last week we talked about the victory of ben samson. Can you argue it was a victory for the tea party candidate. But if you look at the arc of what were seeing all spring and heading to the summer, the tea party is falling short race after race after race. What else do you think is being missed here . The question about these mid terms continues to be is this like 2010 and 2006 . Are we headed to another Third Straight uncertain electorate thats angry, thats just going to dump the party in power or is there Something Different about this one . Well, i think theres a couple of things different. One, the economy is in a different place. Its still not good but it is not as bad as it was four years ago. Thats one thing. Second, i think the pass on the right is different this time. I think partly, were spending a lot of time this spring in Tea Party Versus establishment republicans. Were going to get through that period with a lot of nominees, then we go into the general election and well see what kind of energy really exists at the grass roots of the Republican Party. Right now we cant quite tell that. Weve thought through the spring that theres more energy on the right than there is on the left. But well see once we get through this how all sides feel about it. But at this point i think that you still have to say, i mean, all indications are that the republicans are within range of taking over the senate. But its a tough fight. Theres no givein to it and that the democrats dont have any prospects in the house. So that hasnt really changed through the course of the year. Right now were focused on the continue battles. One issue we havent seen talked about in a couple weeks in in an odd way is health care, and one of the best examples of the defanging of health care in a political issues is Sylvia Matthews is about to fly through the process. And i expected she thought it would be a lot rougher. What does that mean for the fall, if health care is just not that . Maybe it is. Ive heard consultants say wait for the fall, well bring it back. Thats potentially an unknown. Dan balz, thank you very much. Live pictures here from north carolina, where in just a few minutes, a commencement speech that people didnt realize would get so much attention. Its Jill Abramson, the former executive editor of the New York Times and now this commencement serves as her first chance to make her first Public Comments since being ousted from the New York Times. Well go live when it gets under way. Meanwhile, coming up next, the pennsylvania primary with big time clinton connections. The one state where theres democratic action is in the keystone state, Marjorie Margolis and Chelsea Clintons motherinlaw. Coming youre watching the rundown only on msnbc. You got the bargain kind . You would need like a bunch of those to clean this mess. [ kc ] youre probably right. Hi, cascade kitchen counselor. 1 pac of cascade complete cleans tough food better than 6 pacs of the bargain brand combined. Cascade. Beyond clean and shine. Every time. Than 6 pacs of the bargain brand combined. When we arrived at our hotel in new york, the porter was so incredibly careful careless with our bags. And the room they gave us, it was beautiful. A broom closet. 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People are wonderful coming up to me, telling me what they think, answering my questions, wishing my good luck. I mean, i have really enjoyed this process. This should be an election, not an auction. Its all about people having their voice heard, not just letting voices be bought on the airwaves but listening, thinking for themselves. Down the ballot, four democrats are competing to fill alison schwartzs congressional seats there. Margolis was ousted after famously casting the deciding vote for the 1993 clinton budget. Her son married her son and the clintons have raised money from margolis. Her final ad featured a plea by the former president. If you send marjorie to congress, shell make you proud, shell vote right and i think america will be a better place and this district will be well served. Margolis main competition on tuesday is likely to be state rep brendan boyle. Theyve spent the final days challenging his commitment to abortion rights. Its sad ms. Margolis resorted to such a negative campaign at the end that she cant talk about any positive reason to vote for her. There a lot of scare tactics out there. Ive been a 100 supporter of planned parenthood. Former congresswoman Marjorie Margolis joins me now. Good morning to you. Hi, chuck. This is familiar terrain. You at one time worked for the nbc affiliate here in washington as a tv correspondent. You could easily reverse roles with me right now about i dont want that, im going to make you answer questions. Lets start with you responding to mr. Boyle on these back and forths about whether he is prochoice enough. He believes his planned parenthood rating undermines any attacks on him. Why do you doubt his credentials . Now, thats a form that he filled out. Planned parenthood said that hes nixed dont take it from me. Take it from planned parenthood, he is antichoice. This is a litmus test, certainly for democratic women, to replace allison schwartz, 100 prochoice woman who ran a health care center. He voted for something that successfully closed down six planned Parenthood Centers in pennsylvania. He is not prochoice and it is a litmus test and he fails it. So you think its the most important issue in this primary now in the closing day . I think it is. We agree on a lot of the issues, but it turns out that women especially i mean, ive worked my entire career on trying to get more women to the table. I think if youre not at the table, youre on the menu. And it a very important especially with regard to Health Care Clinics and things like that, its a very important issue. We agree on a lot of things, but this one we couldnt possibly be farther apart on. Im curious, its been 20 years since youve run in this Congressional District or what sort of forms this Congressional District. Back when you ran in it, it was a swing district. It wasnt, it was a republican district. It was held by a republican but when you look back on it, it was a perfectly 50 50type district, very competitive, not so much this time. What else has changed, do you feel like, about campaigning . Whats different today for you than it was 20 years ago . Well, let me straighten that out. It was a 21 republican district when i went down there. Even clinton knew that. I represented the most republican district represented by a democrat in the country. I thought that it was contentious then. I think that its gotten even more contentious. These these races have become blood sports, but people seem, you know, the closing day, i just got i just left a train station. They were very warm and they do understand whats going on but theres a lot of mud sling ing. We knew when we came in because of name recognition we were ahead, and we knew that at the end the darts would be coming at me and they have been, but right now it looks good. Do you have any regrets if you end up coming short here, will you look back and say, boy, i wish i did this or i wish i did that . Oh, im sure, im sure. But right now as we are looking at it honestly, it looks like were going to get there. But youre always going to think you should have done it differently. But im really pleased with our approach. All right. Marjorie margolis, thank you. Stay safe on the campaign trail. Appreciate you coming in this morning. Well be watch being closely. Thank you. Turning now to big news this morning in washington. For the First Time Ever the department of justice is filing criminal charges against a state actor in china for cyber crimes. In other words, the u. S. Is accusing formally the Chinese Government and specific officials of Chinese Government of using military and intelligence facilities to steal secrets from the u. S. Economy. Often times it is nonstate actors engaged in this issue as well. Lets turn to Pete Williams to get the latest details on these criminal charges. Pete, it is pretty clear. This time the u. S. No more diplomacy. For years they tried to deal with it on a diplomatic level but sounds like they ran into a wall. Im sure theyll continue with diplomatic efforts but what we hear from the attorney general and the fbi is for the first time the u. S. Is accusing state actors, as they say, officials of the Chinese Government, specifically the Chinese Military, of using government facilities, military and intelligence facilities to commit Cyber Espionage against u. S. Companies. Now, its no secret of the fact that the United States has long considered china to be the most aggressive in economic espionage, using people here in the u. S. , using all sorts of techniques and using cyber. So a couple of things are unusual about this. Number one, the decision to actually charge officials of a Foreign Government for the first time with committing Cyber Espionage. And secondly, im told that this was a very sophisticated investigation that toward its end stages, investigators here were actually able to watch the incoming key strokes as they were being stroked to gather this economic evidence. And were told that this targeted several economic sectors, not going after what you normally think of as high tech information, but information from manufacturing and other sectors, energy included. Peter, i am curious about sort of the corporate pressure that justice felt, were private companies almost lobbying the u. S. Government to, hey, do something here, they keep doing this, keep doing this, the diplomacy isnt working. Did the Justice Department feel pressure coming from private aspects of the American Business community . Without question. But that is a twoway valve because the Justice Department has also been telling companies you got to have better Cyber Security because people are basically in the cyber terms walking in your unlocked front door to take some of this so it goes both ways. But of course i think to some extent this will be largely symbolic. It seems unlikely if the u. S. Indicts Chinese Military officers, theyll be coming here to face charges. No extradition there. But it is ratcheting up. Its not like theres a big extradition treaty going on between china and the United States. Pete, thanks very much. Up ahead, well waiting to hear from Jill Abramson for the First Time Since being fired from the New York Times. Shes set to speak to graduates at wake forest college. Well see if she does address the actual issue at hand. Some people believe she will not. Todays trivia question, who was the democratic nominee the last time kentucky voted for a democrat who lost the president ial election . 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One of seven different states that it touches. Its given kentucky a transitional status between the midwest and the south. Its political sensibilities are becoming more and more southern fried by theres still a little bit of a mix here. All though its a red state now, kentucky does not fit neatly into the republican column alongside its southern neighbors. 15 of the last 18 governors have been democrats, including a stretch of 32 straight years between 71 and 2003. And since voting republican Ernie Fletcher out after one term in 07, steve bashir is the first governor to be reelected. Its on the federal level that kentucky republicans have really flexed their political muscle. Since 1957, 6 of kentuckys 8 senators have been republicans, including Mitch Mcconnell, who has held his seat for 30 years. Wendal ford was the last democrat elected in 1932. Compared to five republicans, its the fewest number of democratic representatives for the state in a decade. Over the past 50 years, kentuckyians have consistently voted republican, except when theres a southerner at the top of the ticket, l. B. J. , carter or clinton. There still more registered democrats in kentucky than there are republicans. And its not close. The gop is outnumbered by nearly half a million voters still. In kentucky, they cant count on minority or white collar voters, they have to seek out a broader base of support. The number of africanamericans, hispanics and College Graduates are all short of the national average. Joining me is a columnist who formerly served as the chief political rival where i have had a relationship with him for 25 years. Hi, chuck, how you doing . All right. Lets start with the identity of kentucky. People in many ways immediately assume Southern State but its like you have to put the but in. I joke that virginia has seceded from the confederacy. Kentucky feels it has seceded from the north but not quite. Kentucky is fundamentally a Southern State because it was a slave state but it was the slave state that was most easy for africanamericans to escape from after the war. So our black population declined all the way to 7 and its remained there for a long time. So civil rights was not the issue here that it was in the rest of the south because blacks were never perceived as a political threat. Whats interesting to me about kentucky politics is this registration advantage thats still there. Weve seen it disappear in many of the Southern States. In kentucky, while Mitch Mcconnell has basically built the Republican Party arguably from scratch there, could you argue he was instrumental behind the getting republicans elected, particularly in congressional races, theyre still down the ballot on local elections. Its still very much dominated locally by democrats, isnt it . Yes. We have a lot of democrats of heritage in this state. People who were raised in democratic families and have gone to vote republican in most elections but remain registered democratic. And would like to vote for a democrat if he or she matched their values. Another factor is that we have so many counties in the state and so many of them are so small that the local elections tend to be very personal. And once it gets to that level, its more difficult for people to abandon a party registration. Its never about i tell you, i dont want to bring up there have been some of the wildist, bizarre political ads ive seen are in kentucky. Lets go to Mitch Mcconnell. Is this going to be a microcosm of anything in the National Environment or is going to be a referendum on Mitch Mcconnell in the fall . I think its going to be a referendum on Mitch Mcconnell but all these federal races can always be affected by national and International Events barring some major event between now and then, i think it will be a referendum on mcconnell, which is a challenge for him because his Approval Ratings are so low. Now, theyve ticked up a little bit in recent weeks as hes had more positive advising on to remind people what hes doing. Alison grimes, is she a candidate that can win on her own or is she going to need an antimcconnell vote and even republican crossover to pull this off . If mcconnell didnt have the Approval Ratings that he, did so low, you wouldnt give her that much of a chance. Shes an appealing candidate. Shes managed to unify various segments of the democratic party. Theres a great dislike among democrats against Mitch Mcconnell and now they finally think they have a candidate they can coalesce around. But in senate races in this state when the president is not on the ballot, the turnout tends to be 15 points below that in president ial years. And democrats used to have a better turnout in senate races than republicans did, but ever since obama got on the ballot, republicans have had a better turnout. Obama has been bad for the democratic brand in kentucky and of course the turnout. And that is what Mitch Mcconnell is counting on when you talk about his campaign. Al cross, always a pleasure. Thank you sir. Up next, mississippi mud slings takes a very bizarre and ugly turn. But first, our tdr 50 soup of the day comes from i hope its berea, kentucky where theyre serving up pimmento cheese soup. If youve never had that, youve never traveled around the south. Well be right back. Were right where you need us. At the next job, next adventure or at the next exit helping you explore super destinations and do everything under the sun. 12 brands. More hotels than anyone else in the world. 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A shout out to all the parents, grand parents and others in the audience. My own children are recent college grads, so i know how full your hearts are today because your kids have worked so hard and achieved so much. President hatch suggested that i speak to you today about resilience, and im going to take his wise counsel, but im not quite finished with the parents part. Very early last thursday my sister called me. She said i know dad would be as proud of you today as the day you became executive editor of the New York Times. Id been fired the previous day so i knew what she was trying to say. It meant more to our father to see us deal with a setback and try to bounce back than to watch how we handled our successes. Show what you are made of, he would say. Graduating from wake forest means all of you have experienced success already and some of you and now im talking to anyone who has been dumped you bet, not gotten the job that you wanted or received that horrible rejections from law school, you know the sting of losing or not getting something you badly want. When that happens, show what you are made of. Youre listening there to Jill Abramsons commencement address in wake forest. She began by saying the only news here is your graduation, but clearly she decided to reference whats happened to her and the theme of her speech, resiliency is something that will likely resonate with a lot of people, no matter how closely youve been following the actual story involving Jill Abramson or just life in general. So kudos to miss abramson for what i think is a terrific theme to be talking about with the spotlight on her the way it is right now. Now we turn to mississippi. In a bizarre twist in the contentious republican Senate Primary between incumbent thad cochran and chris mcdaniel. For the last four or five weeks, theres been an obsession among mcdaniel to accuse cochran of having an affair of sorts. He is married. His wife has been in a nursing home for a decade, bed ridden, suffering from dementia. Hes written multiple stories about their trips together and lists a house she owns as his address. Thats the back story. And heres why it matters. Three weeks ago someone apparently snuck into rose cochrans nursing home, shot video of her in her bedridden, almost vegetative state. That video was then posted briefly online before being taken down. On friday, a man by the name of Clayton Kelly was arrested for illegally obtaining the images and is hit with a felony charge of exploiting a vulnerable int primary campaign itself. At 11 40 that night, the arrest was reported on a local mississippi blog, but it did not identify the connection to miss cochran. Nevertheless the next morning away 7 45, Chris Mcdaniels Campaign Manager called the Cochran Campaign to talk about it. She left a voice mail. The connection to cochran wasnt revealed by police up nearly two hours later. That is to the public. Mcdaniels Campaign Says their Campaign Manager deduced rose cochran was the target based on a quote, preponderance of evidence. And says we have no idea Clayton Kelly is, but later in the call she indicates she has known him for a few months. There was some stuff several months ago where this guy was doing some insane stuff online. We found out about it, chris and i immediately put a bunch of volunteers on trying to find who was the source of a lot of ugly rumors and nasty stuff. Kelly claims to have met him on at least one occasion. Mcdaniels was asked about it and at the time said he knew nothing about it. His Campaign Said he wasnt fully believriefed until an hou later. I know chris is very upset about it and we just felt like that he needed to have a personal phone call. Certainly with you, but he really wanted to have one with senator cochran if you think that could be at all possible. Now, the Mcdaniel Campaign, not surprisingly, is pry to go nip t trying to nip the allegations in the bud. They released a statement that says it is unkons shensable to use the act of a sick individual to lob despicable allegations. Joining me now, chairman of the mississippi Republican Party. Mr. Chairman, i have to ask you you you, this is an ugly turn. Whose side do you believe here, the dock rap side or the mcdaniels side . Allow closely do you believe mr. Kelly was working with the Mcdaniels Campaign . Thanks for having me. You know, this is one of the few things that everybody seems to agree on in this primary which is doing Something Like this with what this young man is alleged to have done, has no place in not only politics, but just in Civil Society and that we have to get to the bottom of it and find out would was involved in it and hold them accountable. And personally, i want to make sure theyre out of the political process in mississippi because this is not the way we normally do things despite bad coverage and weve had tough primaries, but weve never brushed up anything like this. Do you think either side is overplaying their hand here a little bit, do you think the Mcdaniels Campaign did have a connection to mr. Kelly and do you think the Cochran Campaign is overselling this to make political hay on their own . I dont know. I mean, there have been a lot of people who stated emphatically that they think the Mcdaniel Campaign was involved and say emphatically they werent and the Cochran Campaign did this will or that. I dont know. As we find out, and we find out pretty fast, ive known senator mcdaniel for a long time. It would surprise me if he was involved in Something Like this. I would hope nobody that would participate in our republican primary would be involved in anything like this. Ive never heard of this kid clayton in my life, but he and a lot of other people like him have popped up in the last few months and have all of a sudden become experts and unfortunately many like he have not contributed in a positive way to our primary. And so i saw some of your reporting on the kentucky primary and that some of the supporters were not inclined to support the other one if they win the primary and thats what were trying to avoid. All right. Joe nosef, i know much of the establishment in mississippi is supporting senator dock rap. Thank you for your time this morning. More than your wife. Thank you for your time this morning. S. More than your own mother. But does the game. Love you . Who cares . You get to stay at this golf resort booking. Com booking. Yeah honestly, the offseason isnt ive got a lot to do. Thats why i got my surface. Its great for watching game film and drawing up plays. Its got onenote, so i can stay on top of my todo list, which has been absolutely absurd since the big game. With skype, its just really easy to stay in touch with the kids i work with. Alright, russell you are good to go alright, fellas. Alright, russ. Back to work time now real quick for the takeaway. Everything im looking at tomorrow is turnout. What is the level of enthusiasm that you see among voters that does tell you something and that seems to be missing this year. Well see if it is missing tomorrow. Thats it. 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