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I asked anthony hopkins, is this your mother and it was his wife. Reporter from the red carpet she became a celebrity qvc pitch woman and hosted Fashion Police on e . She was also a woman of many faces. Her love of Plastic Surgery was wellknown and she owned it. Id rather be a goodlooking corps than look like some of the people that i saw at my class e reunion. Reporter she was also known for controversy. Her long exile from the tonight show ended in early 2014 when new Host Jimmy Fallon brought her on the show. I have a photo of you. This is you in this same studio in 1965. He said, god bless them, youre going to be a star. Reporter and joan rivers star burned brightly right up until the end. She hated an empty calendar and when she wasnt on tv, she was still performing standup. I love performing. I love what the audience gives you. Im so happy to have people i can laugh with. Lester, thanks so much for that. Other breaking story unfolding as we come on the air, the u. S. Justice department launching an investigation into Police Practices dating back for years. Attorney general eric holder announced details just moments ago. Our investigation will assess the Police Departments use of force, including deadly force. It will analyze the stops, searches, and arrests. And it will examine the treatment of individuals detained at fergusons city jail. In addition to other potentially discriminatory police and techniques and tactics that have been brought to light. We will follow the facts and the law wherever they may lead. The death of Michael Brown is the motivation behind the decision but its critical to point out that this probe is different than the one specifically into browns death. In this is ka, its whether there has been a systemic pattern of civil rights violations, traffic stops and ticketing, plus, complaints of excessive use of force. About three dozen similar investigations are under way in other american towns. In ferguson, twothirds of the residents are black but just 8 of the police force is. Fergusons mayor told nbcs ron allen hes not satisfied with those numbers but at the same time does not fear a federal investigation. Weve got some initiatives were working on now to help send africanamericans through the police academy. Thats something were going to be working on over the next several years. Its a long process to get someone through the police academy. Weve welcomed anybody to look at our actions over the past several years. Am i concerned . I am absolutely interested in knowing wanting to know the truth of whats been going on. For more on this, lets bring in Jonathan Allen, Washington Bureau chief and professor and director for the center for police. Phillip, help breakdown what we just heard in this conference and how is this different than the investigation into Michael Brown . Well, this is really consistent with what a lot of Community Activists and Community Members have been saying for a while. Its not about just one death. This is into tnot just about on. Its part of a bigger pattern and its the general desire to look at broader patterns more broadly. So in the attorney general remarks, he talked about the pattern and practices. Thats part of a revitalized Civil Rights Division looking not just at ferguson but large cities, midsize cities so theres some kind of accountability for local Law Enforcement. And you have three dozen other investigations happening around the country. Clearly ferguson is the focus here. This is obviously a high priority for the attorney general. Anyone that reads the newspaper or watches television knows that theres a lot of mistrust between local communities and Police Forces in various places across the country. I think what youve seen today is a step towards trying to restore that trust, bringing in somebody who can help them deal with it systemically. Everybody has to follow the law, including police officers. This is an acknowledgement from the Justice Department and police force that something more needs to be done to make sure that is not in the first in a series of cases. Phillip, we saw two announcements, an investigation in ferguson. They also announced that their communityoriented office is going to enter what they call a Collaborative Reform Initiative with the st. Louis county police department. Youll recall, it wasnt mostly Ferguson Police officers who we saw engaging in those operations, what does it mean that the just disaccident is going to be doing with that . Its the carrot to the communication stick. There havent been historically a whole lot of options for them to be proactive in response to these kinds of negative incidents or before they ever happened. What the cops office is being asked to do is to go in and work with the community and Law Enforcement relationship that is so special that, god forbid, there be another miscommunication, deadly or not, that it doesnt result in the unrest that we saw in ferguson. And one of the things that weve learned as we dug into the city of ferguson and what that town is leak and what Police Practices have looked like, its not just excessive force. Its a town of high number of brace i can traffic stops and then court fines assessed on top of traffic stops. We pulled some numbers. Ferguson is a city of 21,000 and in last year alone there were 33,000 arrest warrants issued just for nonviolent offenses. So that would be something that the Justice Department would fake a look at here, too . Thats right. I know that given the context in ferguson, theres been a lot of conversation about racial disparities, as there should be, but there should also be a conversation about over zealousness in general. If you are stopping that many people, is that the best way for Community Funds to be keeping the community safe. Phil and john, hold on. More breaking news in the cycle. Verdicts in the corruption trial of former Virginia Governor bob mcdonnell. Kelly odonnell is live for us. Reporter a sweeping conviction in the former governor Robert Mcconnell and his wife. They were found guilty. There were a couple of exceptions where the jury found on specific matters, they found not guilty. But overwhelming guilt. I could hear sobs in the courtroom. I was in a different courtroom, whats known as an overflow, which allowed us to be able to exit before the whole presentation was completed and raced down to you. I could not see the governor and his wife crying but im told there was an audible outpouring of emotion. This is all about a Corruption Case brought by the federal government against the former Virginia Governor, claiming that he and his wife had sought owe and accepted gifts from williams because he was trying to get state favors and additional help to promote his dietary supplement made from tobacco. At one point, Robert Mcconnell was considered a rising star in the republican party. His name was often whispered on lists of potential future nominees or Vice President ial picks, all of that changed dramatically when these allegations first surfaced. The couple was of accused of accepting pretty lavish gifts to money for their daughters wedding and to loans for their realty company. The jury found overwhelming proof on most of these counts that hes guilty. We dont yet have because i left the courtroom early a sense of when the timing for sentencing will take place but i can tell you this is a dramatic fall from grace and a very emotional day here in richmond. Toure . Kelly odonnell, thank you so much for that. Lets bring Jonathan Allen in to talk about this. As kelly was saying, a stunning fall. Bob mcdonnell was seen as sort of a pragmatic, effective governor in virginia. Some democrats would disagree but there was a sense that he governed in a bipartisan way. He had an image of an anticorruption fighter, really cleancut. And as kelly mentioned, seen in a lot of circles as a potential republican candidate. Just speak to his political t trajectory and really dramatic fall. Heres a guy that was conservative but came off with very moderate tones, very cleancut, somebody that the republicans looked to as a potential national figure, as kelly said. I think its going to be a warning to politicians to be very careful about who they take gifts from. In most cases, those gifts are appropriate and i think people will take that lesson but also a lesson politically as well in terms of the judicial process. When youre distancing yourself from your wife, youre in bad shape. Yeah. Jonathan, what do you think the reaction will be to this . Kelly odonnell said guilty on most of the 14 counts. Do you think there will be a shock wave reaction from this news . I think this was such a strange case and trial that any outcome would have been believable. Im certainly not shocked. I dont think most people will be shocked. I think there was some sentiment that he might be able to walk if his defense was ingenious enough to perhaps separate him from what was going on, to portray his wife as somewhat having a crush on this businessman. Ultimately, though, i think that ambition agreed and criminal activity is not surprising to anyone here in washington and sadly i think it will affirm the worst fears that a lot of the American People have about their leaders. Thank you very much. A huge news day on the cycle. Bob mcdonnell guilty on a majority of counts and joan rivers, comedic legend, former host of the tonight show, the only woman, the first woman to have an 11 30 show in American Television history, a comedic legend is dead at 81. She will be missed. We will be back. What does an apron have to do with Car Insurance . Every time you tie on an apron, you make progress. And we like that. Because progress is what we make, too. Doctors have been prescribingdecade, nexium to patients just like you. For many, prescription nexium helps heal acidrelated erosions in the lining of the esophagus. There is risk of bone fracture and low magnesium levels. Side effects may include headache, abdominal pain, and diarrhea. If you have persistent diarrhea, contact your doctor right away. Other serious stomach conditions may exist. Avoid if you take clopidogrel. Nexium 40 mg is only available by prescription. Talk to your doctor. For free home delivery, enroll in nexium direct today. Heres something fun to do with hot dogs. Make easy crescent dogs. Pillsbury crescent rolls. Make dinner pop. Once again, breaking news, joan rivers, 81 years old, has passed away. She was host of the tonight show and she had her own show on fox. She was hysterical, super honest, she was super witty. She was a person who transformed herself from just a standup comedian to a cultural observer. Standing on the red carpet and talking to celebrities and eating some of them alive. Still an incredible stint of comedian late into her 70s. Josh, an amazing comic figure has been lost. Yeah. Yeah. We turn now to isis. Nights fallen on wales on a day of a critical nato summit. President obama and british Prime Minister David Cameron called the isis terrorist bar b barbaric killers. Our next guest, we welcome back to the show, retired Lieutenant Colonel michael kay. So youve been writing about what we can do about this. Youve been sounding the alarm for over a year about the danger posed by the threat of isis and in syria and iraq. What can the west do about this problem . The first thing is, its not a british problem, its not an american problem. Its a global problem and, therefore, it needs a global response. The chinese have this problem and europe has this problem in north africa. America, clearly, from 9 11 has this problem. And by this problem you mean it needs a radical response and collaborative response from the region. Specifically, saudi arabia. Saudi arabia have been exporting an interpretation of the sunni sect for many, many years. And it needs a very hard conversation between thes, uk, europe and it needs to understand what saudi arabias objectives are in the region and needs to harness egypt. Its a strategic pivot between africa and the middle east and has gone through a revolution and the reason its done that is because the egyptian people have decided they want sovereign identity over religious ideology and that is something that we, as the west and the world should be embracing as well. Its a multifaceted response that requires political buying and before any military activity occurs, there needs to be a political plan. Otherwise, military activity is short term and its going nowhere. And another problem that were seeing is isis recruitment ability, most that were seeing is on western folks. And Richard Engel did a package last night and today on donald morgan, a man raised in North Carolina as a catholic, a former lieutenant officer, someone you would never expect to turn to extremism. He booked a particular kit tick hoping to join isis. My entire life growing up was surrounded by the idea that i would be 82 airborne, i would be special forces, i would serve dutifully. Reporter he calls the Islamic State a saviour. The responsibility is to protect those who cant protect themselves. Its going to be obama launching a drone strike. So it matters not to me who the enemy is. Isis is referred to doesnt have the objective to to be a terrorist organization. So this man, donald morgan, is now back in the united states. This is something that i think we should all be very concerned of. What do we do about folks like him and others who will ultimately be recruited . Its a Million Dollar question. In 2011, there was a strategy and part of that was a strategy called contest which was about counterterrorism. And that was broken down into four particular aspects. It was to pursue, prevent, protect and prepare. This specifically addressed how people become disenfranchised. You dont wake up one morning and want to adopt radical islam and travel to syria and do what we see on the tv at the moment with isis. That doesnt happen overnight. Its understanding the way that the society in the west treats the minorities. Its the really between the state and the citizen. Its understanding what the mosques within those minorities, within the suburbs of london or birmingham or wherever it might be in europe, understanding what is going on inside that on the process of becoming disenfranchised. That is a proactive strategy that we need to harness. We need to understand that better. When that was written in the uk in 2011, we hadnt had the leeward piece, we hadnt had john the jihadi whos got this english east london accideent beheading american journalists. Its been brewing for a year, two years, josh, as you mentioned earlier on. Its something that weve got to start developing a political plan on because without the political plan, military activity is a waste of time. And thats my sense as well. In some ways while its a huge and challenging question of what we do from a military perspective right now, whether we see the threat of isis growing throughout iraq and while our journalists are being held hostage and being beheaded in gruesome fashion for the world to see, in a lot of ways it seems to me that the even more challenging question is, if you do go in, if you eliminate the threat for now, how do you combat the ideology, how do you ensure that there are stable governments in the middle east and iraq and syria . Its a complex question and its a complex answer. What youre talking about is the ideology, you need a proactive approach. What were seeing in terms of american air strikes, its very reactive. You see an isis convoy, you take it out, then what . There are people still cueing up, there are still people wanting to come from the uk and europe and join this ideology. Theres a home and away approach. We also have to bolster. In the uk we have mi6 and mi5 and the nsa equivalent. Theres got to be a collaborative approach there. We have spent 4 to 6 trillion on activity. We need to take some of that money and those resources and bolster immigration. I dont know the answer but clearly people are and we need to understand the relationship between this state and the minority. In the joint oped between barack obama and Prime Minister cameron, they said it could be deployed anywhere at any short notice. Is that feasible . I mean, to sort of world policemen force and would that be able to deal with Something Like ooiisis . Yeah, i think it is. Everything that weve done from our procurement plans have been about Counter Insurgency and about trying to defeat ieds. Its all very well about having the world police and Nato Response to Counter Insurgency. Without a political plan and without the buying of saudi arabia to stop supporting acquiesce sense to be able to tackle the problem inside syria, this problem is brewing at your front door, unless you have a collaborative plan, its useless. Thank you for that. Well have more on isis. And well have more coming up on the death of joan rivers. She was 81. She was a comic legend. A former permanent guest host of the tonight show and went from a witty standup comedian to a reality show era comic who brought her daughter into her act. Joan rivers will be missed. More on her coming up. This is k. Setting up the perfect wedding day begins with arthritis pain and two pills. Afternoon arrives and feeling good, but her knee pain returns. Thats two more pills. The evenings event brings laughter, joy, and more pain. When jamie says. Whats that like six pills today . Yeah. I can take 2 aleve for all day relief. Really, and. And thats it. This is kathleen. For my arthritis pain, i now choose aleve. 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They have been heard and appreciated. My mothers greatest joy in life was to make people laugh. Although that is difficult to do right now. I know her final wish would be that we return to laughing soon and if we play any bit of joan rivers talking on stage or on a Television Set stage, we will laugh because she was hysterical. The comedy world is responding because they knew she was a major force in that world. A tweet from jimmy kimmel, we lost a great one. Seth myers, joan rivers a force of nature. Funny and fearless and truly one of a kind. She absolutely was fearless. Larry king, joan rivers was a dear and wonderful friend whom ive known for 45 years. Well never see the likes of her again. You think of joan rivers career being launched by Johnny Carson which gives you a sense of how long her career was. Kathy griffin, who is sort of a daughter, a comedic daughter of joan rivers saying, a legend, a friend, a mentor, an icon and wildly funny, one of a kind. If you dont know about joan rivers brand of comedy providing her witty ways, maybe you think of Kathy Griffin as faster and witty. Kelly rippa just said no. And an amazing woman and pioneer. She opened up the arena for women in comedy. The first woman in American Television history to have an 11 30 show that went against Johnny Carson for eight months. Im joined by narrated lester holt. Reporter joan rivers never pulled a punch. Or a punch line. Even when it was aimed at herself. I went into a store today and said, what have you got to go with this suit . She gave me a bottle of cheap wine. Reporter often in vulgar. Gweneth paltrow, the most beautiful woman. Reporter and yes, sometimes mean objecservations of life an celebrities with a comedic career that spanned more than half a century. Its a tremendous work ethic. She earned it the oldfashion way. She was born to russian immigrants and drawn to performing at an early age. Her big break was in 1965 when discovered by Johnny Carson. For 20 years she was a frequent guest and guest host on nbcs the tonight show. You were the first one to say youre funny. Thank you for that. Reporter but their friendship abruptly ended in 1986 when she agreed to compete against carson on fox. A moment that rivers described in the documentary joan rivers a piece of work. The first person i called was Johnny Carson. He slammed the phone down. I called him again. He slammed it down again and never spoke to me again. Ever. Reporter her show lasted just eight months. Not long after, her husband of 22 years, edgar rosenberg, committed suicide. Saddled with death and an uncertain future, she reinvented herself with daughter melissa she pioneered the live red carpet interview concept. Joan rivers is a legend of the red carpet for sure. To be butchered more names than joan rivers and had more fun doing it. Reporter most awkward moment on the red carpet . When i asked anthony hopkins, is this your mother and it was his wife. Dont tell me. Oh. How beautiful is this watch . From the red carpet she became a celebrity qvc pitch woman and hosted Fashion Police on e and costarred in her own reality show. Joan rivers was also a woman of many faces. Her love of Plastic Surgery was well known and she owned it. Id rather be a good looking corpse than look like some of the people that i saw at my class reu general. Reporter she was also no stranger to controversy. The germans killed six million jews. You cant fix a carbeurator . Reporter her long exile ended in early 2014 when new Host Jimmy Fallon brought her on the show. I have a photo of you. This is you, right, in the same studio in 1965. He said, god bless him, youre going to be a star. Reporter and Johnny Carson was right. Her star burned brightly right up until the end. She hated an empty calendar and when she wasnt on tv, was still performing standup. I love performing. I love what the audience gives you. Im so happy to have people that i can laugh with. Joan rivers was the author of 12 books, memoirs and comedy books. She won the 1990 emmy for outstanding talk show host and her list of shows that she did, the tonight show starring Johnny Carson, that show with joan rivers, the late show starring joan rivers, can we shop, Fashion Police i love the way that she brought her daughter into the act at the end and transformed herself. Doing that biting, almost sort of standup, a comedy into the reality show era with something a little bit different. She introduced herself. She reinvented herself in a way to a whole new group of people. The she never got old. People who watched Cable Television knew all about joan rivers and she was as funny there as anywhere. She did this amazing guest spot on the louie c. K. Show. He bombs and gets mad and says im not doing this anymore and shes working blue and shes killing. This is like a year ago. Shes standing up there and shes killing the room and he ends up in her room and hes like, yeah, im going to quit this gig and she said, do you have a trust fund . What is wrong with you . She slaps him around for a while, says some really nasty things that we cant repeat on this network. If youve seen the episode, you know the final punch line is incredible. Doing a 30minute tribute to joan, sort of sitting there and saying, how do you do comedy . Please tell me. One of the ways that she did it, she was very biting. She never stepped back from the comments that she made. She did not want to be politically correct. She wanted to be funny. If that meant she had to step on a couple of toes in order to get the last, thats exactly what she did. Fearless, aggressive, meanspirited at times but there was that funny that you laughed with her at the same time. Thats correct. And that biting style was also part of what made her such a trailblazer for a woman to use that sort of language, to be as dirty as she was willing to be, to be as cutting as she was, not only was she just breaking down barriers for women in comedy, but the way that she did it was so incredible. And in 1965, Johnny Carson figured it out that this was a woman who could make a difference in Television Like no other woman could do as far as comedy was concerned. That was her big break. She shut off and launched herself into a whole different kind of career that other people have tried to follow behind. But that story with her and Johnny Carson is very interesting because he loved her co comed comedically and then she gets her own call on fox and she calls him a little bit late in miss mind, im going to compete with you, yelled at her, hung up the phone, never spoke to her again. Yeah. It was a sad chapter, i think, for particularly joan because he had been so instrumental in her life in terms of the comic career that she had. But she tried to get over it. You know, even the appearance she made on jimmy fallon show, basically back on the tonight show, lets bury the hatchet. She did get over it. She reinvented herself after all of these challenges. How does somebody do that . I cant imagine when im 81 being as relevant as i was at 35. I cant imagine it. But when youre funny, i mean, really funny, you can continue just being funny and when you are that fearless and youre willing to say anything about anybody and she gets it. She gets the current vibe, whatever it is. Exactly. And again, to go back to her staying current, staying on the red carpet, creating a place for herself where other people may have thought, joan is a has been, shes not in the spotlight, she always put herself back in the spotlight. She was so good at transforming her career because i know her from e news where she could be so cruel and controversial and oftentimes she would say things that you thought but you would never say the way she could and yet she would do it and the celebrities still loved her. Some d some obviously took it more personally but she really was an amazing, amazing woman. Most people in the entertainment got over her make fun of them than not be talked about at all. Exactly. And she made fun of herself. She was not shy about talking about the numerous plastic surgeries that she had and it was something that she felt she had to do. She knew people were talking about it. She talked right along with them. Thank you so much. Were going to have more on the passing of comedic legend joan rivers at 81 years young with Jonathan Capehart who has a piece about her now and other people as well. Stay with us. Rejoice for you have entered the Promised Land of accomodation booking. Com booking. 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So i was a big joan rivers fan just watching her on Johnny Carson on the tonight show, her concept, can we talk here, can we talk here . And the jokes she made about herself and she went on about her then husband and now late husband edgar and she said shes going to be in atlantic city, how about i go down and see her perform live . How great would that be . Well, i go with my aunt elsie who lives in atlantic city, im waiting in the chair for the joan rivers i always saw on television. Well, that was june cleaver compared to the raunchy joan rivers i saw in atlantic city. And you loved it, right . And i loved it. It was awesome. It was like the kids in the south park movie where they go see the expletive rrated movie and the looks on their face is complete shock but they thought it was the best thing that they had seen in their lives. But seeing joan rivers that way, completely different than her television persona, was truly spectacular. That is an amazing way to see her. If you saw her documentary, she was focused, still working hard, never wanted the calendar to be empty, as lester holt said. We have a statement from john rickles. Our dear joan is gone. Knowing her working with her and enjoying the fun times of life, we will miss you. We also have a statement from her last Television Home e we send our deepest condolences to Melissa Cooper and her entire family on this incredibly sad day. She has mad people laugh and revolutionized comedy. She was unapologetic tech and fiercely dedicated to honoring all of us. Shes been a much beloved part of the family. Today our hearts are heavy knowing that join will not be bounding through those doors. Im sure whenever she came through, jonathan, she was bounding through the doors like a force of nature and she was really an interesting figure for this era of pc when we all have to be very careful about what we say to not hurt anybody because she was a throwback. She was unpc and purposefully so. Look at it this way, toure. You were talking about this earlier, how she was able to stay relevant in our modern day, in this day of Reality Television and twitter and everyones a star. But think about it. Joan rivers has always been that raw comedian. Totally unpc and in a certain way the Reality Television world that we are in melds with the raw open person that joan rivers was personally but also in her comedy. You know, i really am not a big fan of Reality Television. There are very few reality tv shows that i watch. One being the drag race and the other one was joan melissa, their reality show. My partner turned it on and said, oh, my god, its a Reality Television show. I was immediately sucked in because, one, i was already a joan rivers fan but, two, i was marveling at the fact that here you have a woman who has been in our faces for more than 40 years and shes compelling. Shes riveting. You see her in her fabulous manhattan apartment and you see her walking through the warrens of clubs and theaters and studios working hard for every bit of fame and money and attention that she was able to garner. You cant think about mel list saz part in all of that. Right there with her, yelling back at her, very much her daughter and very much part of the joan rivers act before the reality show era was leike, brig your family and well put it on air. She was doing that long before the kardashians. One of many, many moments well never forget. Were going to bring in kate coin, the executive director of people. We all feel connected to joan rivers in some way. We all have different memories, some same memories. Weve been talking about the tact that shes really this trailblazer and she was able to keep her career alive for almost her entire life. Its almost unbelievable when you think about it. I mean, how has she changed television and how will she change the path are to the young comedians coming up behind her . She changed comedy. She changed what comedy means to female performers and also changed what comedy means to any performer, male or female, just by the longevity she shared. I think a lot of the shock that people feel that shes gone seemed impossible that she wouldnt bounce back from this because nothing ever stopped her. She did not less personal tragedies stop her, professional blackballing stop her. This was a woman who was determined, dogged and was going to prove that she would make it and that was a trail that was blazed that will never be softened. And the longevity that you mentioned is such a part of this legacy. I can obama think of one other comic who broke in in the 60s and continues to be funny and pops up on television and thats bill cosby but everybody else has faded away or they are not doing standup anymore. She was still driving hard to the end doing standup, appearing on television shows, doing her own shows. The industry of joan rivers continued almost to her last day. Absolutely. Very much to her last day. She was at an event hosted by the Parent Company for People Magazine the night before she had this procedure, i mean, less than 12 hours prior she had a room in stitches. She owned that room. She was in command that of that room and she had plans for the coming week. She had more episodes of the Fashion Police coming up and looking forward to award season. This was not a woman who was ever, ever going to retire. Jonathan, one of the things that is so interesting is that she was so mean and people loved her for being so mean. How did she pull off that balance and convince people that it was okay to be mean. In her documentary, you see the reason why she was able to be mean and to bounce back from whatever backlash would come. She made a joke that where the punchline was i think she said that she liked deaf children or well, i dont want to repeat it because the person in the audience heckled and said, Something Like, youre so mean and then she just rips into the guy. She calls him stupid, she tells him she doesnt know what shes talking about. But what she says is, comedy is about making people laugh. And if you cant laugh, then, y life basically isnt worth living. You have to be able to laugh. Sometimes life can be so hard that you have to find some way to turn comedy out of tragedy or misfortune or something thats or terrible fashion. Yeah. And so thats how she yes. Especially terrible fashion. Always guilty of terrible fashion. Thats why she was able to bounce back and she was able on get the audience back with her. 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Continuing with our breaking news, goodbye to joan rivers who has passed away at the young age of 81. In 1954 she graduated Phi Beta Kappa from barnard college. She broke in at 1965 thanks to Johnny Carson, a trailblazer, a wit, a comedic legend and jonathan kaypart you say she had a card catalog with every joke she ever told. That would have to be as large as the library of congress. Not that large, but in the documentary joan rivers, a piece of work, the camera pans over to this wall thats filled i should have counted them, but there had to have been at least 20 card catalog files of her jokes and she says here are all the jokes that ive ever written over the last 35 years. Remember, this documentary is from 2010. She was 75 then so you can only imagine how many more jokes were added to that and what was so beautiful about that scene is it just showed how hard joan rivers worked. Absolutely. Kate now all eyes will shift to her daughter melissa who has been by her side the past few days. I can imagine how brutal and tough that must have been. Now were probably going to wait for her to come out and talk her about her mother and about her experience. Yes. Everyone will be watching to see how melissa handles this. She is her mothers daughter and shes obviously a very strong, remarkable woman herself and when you think about what the past few days have been like for her, the probably agonizing decision she had to make and everything that has gone on in just less than the past week and its clearly been beyond just the tragedy of the loss. Everything that went into it has been wrenching for her so well all be watching very closely to see how shes doing. Absolutely. Jonathan and kate, thank you both for joining us. That does it for the cycle. After a quick break our coverage will continue on now. 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