0 saying there isn't a spigot, that it doesn't just go off and on. if you watch these press briefings, they're impossible to follow. nobody can understand what the white house's position is. i think the reason is, it's hard to articulate. >> jonathan, let's transition to the budget battles. obviously, as you know, the gop divide over the budget, it's entertaining to watch play out, but in all seriousness, this could be quite problematic and dangerous come the fall. you have republicans that reject the idea of a government shutdown outright. senator john mccain has said over and over this is a nonstarter. you also have conservative senators like mike lee and ted cruz who won't back down. let's take a listen to what senator ted cruz had to say. >> what happens next is president obama and harry reid are going to scream and yell those mean, nasty republicans are threatening to shut down the comfortable staking themselves on that, particularly if it's framed in the context of obama care, of shutting down the government in order to deny obama care. i think most of the public has moved on from that debate, except for those who are very tightly tied into, you know, the political right and political left and would like to see their government function in one way or another. >> really nice to see you back on the show. it's been too long. i've been hating watching this defund obama care national tour because there's been beauties like this. >> why is it that every reporter in the media, and a significant percentage of republicans assume with an impasse, that president obama will never, ever, ever give up his principles so republicans have to give up theirs? if you have an impasse, you want government isn't the right way to go. he was one of the bomb throwers. he was looking for ways to defund things. he say, look, this isn't the right way for us to go about getting at obama care. we should pick and choose the pieces of it that are best for republicans to try to -- >> but even if they don't actually shut it down, isn't there tremendous value in threatening to shut it down? >> well, sure. you never want to stop negotiating as a hard liner early. there's a value to that. there's a value to riling up the base. there's a value to getting the campaign funding. look, if you're ted cruz and you want to run for president as a conservative in 2016, then perhaps you will do things that move toward a shutdown. for most of the republicans in congress who want to be re-elected time and again, they'll have something different to think about. >> yeah, that'll play well in the general. >> i think that's exactly right. what you're getting at is this is essentially a selfish move on the part of ted cruz and not good for the republican party, certainly not good for the country. but i want to ask -- >> well, i didn't say that. you said selfselfisselfish. >> but i want to ask you about what's going on with rick perry down in texas, looking for some of that sweet, sweet obama care money. for that, i mean critically needed funding for citizens of his state. this is a guy who's been at the front of the line in bashing the affordable health care act. are we going to see more and more republican governors who are realizing that going forward with at least some aspects of obama is care is good for their constituents and good for them politically? >> it's harder and harder for governors to argue that their citizens shouldn't get money that is being sent from the federal government without them taking any further action. i mean, it's just a tough stand to take. i think -- look, you'll see some who think it's politically advantageous to them on a national level, continue to say that they don't want the money. but i think for the most part you're going to see a little bit of movement on that. like we were talking about before, you talk tough and then at the end perhaps you compromise a little bit. i think you're going to see that -- i think you've already seen it to a large extent with a lot of the republican governors having accepted this expansion of medicaid and having accepted some of the other parameters of the obama care law, particularly the starting of health exchanges, sometimes in conjunction with the federal government, sometimes on their own. i think, you know, a lot of republican governors are reluctant to go with obama care, but also see it as something they can't really reject. >> yeah, jonathan allen, you didn't bring your tie, but you brought your a-game. we appreciate it. >> i appreciate that. thanks, guys. up next, we have the bradley manning sentencing. he received 35 years, but it's far from case closed. we're going to hear the pentagon's side on this important, important sentencing today, and the view of these events from one of the supporters rallying behind the wiki leaker as "the cycle" rolls on. 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