The ticket. Joe biden says this is about more than the benjamins. It is about countering the most dishonest president ever. What im having to spend a lot of it on is to counter the lies being told. By my, by Trumps Campaign and swift boaters out there. What i will spend most of it doing is trying to explain to the American People how i want to unite the country. Biden touting unity while trump embraces conspiracy theories and fearful today the president continuing to snub any victims of Police Violence while talking up what he calls the violence of danger in the streets citing anarchists, riote rioters. He made some false statements that were not repeating in this newscast because this is a factual program. As for the argument, President Trump is launching a post convention general election period, what is a time now when everyone tunes in by defending literally the person indicted for murder in wisconsin and also claiming to be against violence and rioting. As a factual matter, it is a contradiction. As the New York Times is reporting, what trump wants is for voters to focus on certain crime, the specter of danger in the suburbs, while he literally supports other crime. Be it defending the shooter in wisconsin we cant emphasize that number or using his pardon power to spare his own indicted aides like roger stone. Over 60 of Donald Trumps ads now highlight the issue of crime, the times reports. A reflect of the determination to frame it around law and order and bidens ability to keep people safe rather than around the Coronavirus Crisis and trumps leadership. Now, that is the message amidst new reports that trump is seizing on government power. The administration trying to down play reports of russian meddling that targeted biden and even as the Postal Service partially backed down, the ongoing problems that faced the handling of vote go by mail, dialing up pressure for the subpoena of the postmaster general about ballots for the election. Lets get to cornell, cheryl, a professor, and heather mcgee, cochair of color of change. The organization aimed at addressing and changing inequality in america. Thank you to all of you. Cornell, as the obama pollster, with a lot of experience on the president ial side. Your thoughts on what it means to have joe biden raising so much money. He can spend it but it would seem to reflect more democratic enthusiasm for his campaign now than say, a month ago. Yeah. I think this is what you see. I think you see the grassroots of, and i think you see people who were not typically, would not typically give to a president ial campaign, now giving to a president ial campaign and wanting to be involved in a president ial campaign. I think this is clearly for the campaign. And i think is the energy. And you and i talk about this. We put too much energy on who is energized. In the end well never be more energized than trump voters. He is appealing to a narrow swath of voters. But i think whether energized or not, there is a lot of determination to remove this man from office, particularly, and youre seeing it in the fundraising numbers. Yeah. As we just showed in the ads, heather, the campaigns dont always agree on what is important. Democrats in congress have certainly put more emphasis on coronavirus and jobs than the president s daily rhetoric. So it is striking that right now, coming out of the protest in wisconsin, there is both so much focus on that topic and people think the topic is important. Theyre disagreeing on what to do about it. Here was joe biden today talking about making a rare trip, he hand been out campaigning that much in the rest of the country, to wisconsin. Take a look. What we want to do, weve got to heal. To put things together. Bring people together. So my purpose in going will be to do just that. To be a positive influence on what is going on. Talk about what need be done and try to see if there is a beginning of a mechanism to bring the folks together. Heather . I think it is great that joe biden is making this trip to wisconsin. I think it is wonderful that hes meeting with jacob blakes family. I think the base of the Democratic Party that absolutely has to be not just voting but overcoming incredible Voter Suppression and organizing our friends, which is black voters, weve got to feel like this man understands the pain that our community is feeling. And also, i will say, he is spending 45 million on an ad buy about crime and law and order. And donald trump is incredibly effective at making people talk about what he wants to talk about. This huge shift, right . From the absolute manifest overriding priority of the American People, which is am i going to get sick and die . Can my kids go to school . Do i have a job . To shift to law and order, crime, to joe bidens repudiating rioters and looters, donald trump has already won this messaging leak and it is very painful for black americans to watch and see this. So he has to do a lot, joe biden does, in ken on or about. A he has to show that he can make these moments happen with all too much frequency, ones that do feel like healing moments for black and white america. How do you mean that you feel trump, whether you lying it or not, whether you want that outcome, has bested the message this week . What specifically do you mean compared to biden, heather . So, you know, joe bidens message had been almost entirely about the coronavirus, about healing america, and solving big problems. And now the biggest ad buy of his campaign, 45 million, it was reported by the New York Times, will be about law and order and responding to the attacks over the past week that have. That joe biden is somehow responsible for violence in the streets. Joe biden is soft on crime. Joe biden is basically too soft on black people and white people should be afraid of black people and therefore white people should be afraid of joe biden. The fact that he feels he needs to do a big ad buy to counter act that. That he needed to do a big speech most recently to say, im going to be the one to really solve this problem and to sort of point by point, counter what donald trump was saying, it means hes already on Donald Trumps turf. On the turf. I think thats a great point you make and one that viewers may take a minute to hear. You might say, wait a minute. A lot of these protests, a lot of what trump is responding to, his critics argue about trumps america. To your point, the topic leads, which builds on what cornell was saying. Im going to read the headline on the screen. The president is out this week defending an indicted murderer. Fact. And then claiming his opponent biden causes violence. That is where we are. If you were gone for a couple years, if you quarantined for not 14 days but two or three years and landed and saw the headline, wow thats whats going on in america. Whoever the president might be. Ive covered different president s. They rarely offer justification defenses for people indicted for murder. And then the shift and the blame. So im curious, given your scholarship and your work, what you think about americans should take from all of this, and to heathers point, i want to play more of joe biden where he still sounds at times a little at a loss to explain what is wrong with trump. He sort of literally out loud will say, gosh, i dont know, its so terrible. Other democrats may feel that way but take a listen. Nothing this administration does is normal. Im not being facetious when i say that. So who in gods name knows what it is all about . I just dont know. The only time ive been on notice is when the president is out of the country and im in the country, that, not that i should wait for something immediately be aware have anything, but that is something that i might be called for. It wasnt called for. Cheryl . I think joe biden has to be very careful as noted by both of us on the panel, something he has to be careful about how much he plays into the agenda being set by donald trump and making sure that he speaks over that din. There is some contradiction going on there. Right . To be defending an individual who did the acts that have happened and then calling for law and order. That doesnt necessarily connect. But however, the appeal of law and order is something that historically has been brought to bear more than once. This is not something weve never seen before but in fact is very common and historically been the case, especially coming from the republican party, to appeal to law and order. We saw it happen even back to lily horton, dukakis and bush on crime and talking about law and order in that time, law and order on drugs, during the Civil Rights Movement and the push back against jim crow that weve seen with africanamericans. You have to be careful there. It is contradictory in a lot of ways of what were seeing. Cheryl and joe biden has to make sure can i ask you a question . Yes. Can i ask you a question . Are you suggesting that donald trump is not an original thinker when it comes to plagiarizing nixon and reagan and everybody elses campaigns . What youre alluding to, half joke but a serious joke, is that this is nothing new. It is just him taking the play book. Whether or not he even understands the references. I guess that goes to, given the scholar you are, what does that tell us as a society, as joe biden, if weve lived the play book before, and nixon did benefit politically from a version of law and order against the relief of protests and the Civil Rights Movement. I think context is important, too. Nixon was not dealing with a pandemic. Nixon wasnt dealing with some of the issues and the concerns that will be primary in peoples minds. I think the law and order appeal works well for his base but i dont know if it is necessarily going to be something that will mobilize people to swing toward him. Especially individuals dealing with the economic challenges that have come about much more so due to the covid19 crisis and less so due to the things weve seen from the protests. Theyve maybe not felt discomfort from that but they wont necessarily find themselves economically damaged as a consequence of that unless theyre in the key locations. So joe biden should point to that and say this isnt new but this is something that weve historically heard. Cornell . And if i can jump in here on this. It is brilliant points made by both the panel. Is and im a little ashamed to be on the panel with them. Cornell, lets be clear. The other two panelists are basically scholarly. They write, they analyze. Thats how i know them. What do you do . You do polls and you help obama get elected. Its different. Thats fair. Im a hack. But coming from a hacks perspective, hack lines matter, too. Coming from a hacks perspective, this is hack lives matter. Okay. This is a better position for donald trump. It is better turf for him to fight on than covid. And at this point, even the economy. Lets be clear, this is not gray territory for him. He is a president who is one of the most corrupt president s of modern times. Ive lost count of how many Trump Officials or People Associated with donald trump have been indicted, pleaded guilty or in jail. Look, look at the polling. The polling is out right now. It shows that voters actually trust joe biden more with dealing with crime and safety. Only 35 , i think it was in a quinnipiac poll that showed donald trump makes them feel, Donald Trumps presidency will make them feel more safe. A majority of polls said a second term for donald trump will increase violence. This is a better space for him but i dont think by a long shot, it is a winning space for him where he has advantages over joe biden. Heather . I think the most important thing to remember here is that this fight which seems to be probably barring any other circumstances we can anticipate, the Closing Argument for donald trump, which frankly was his opening argument. Before it was about criminals and now its specifically about black people and white left wingers. But more about black people. Its really the heart of american politics. Lets be clear. When were talking about crime, were not talking white collar corruption which is powerful people doing what powerful people do. Were talking about the fundamental fact that the majority of white voters have voted against the democratic nominee for president since Lyndon Johnson signed the civil rights act. Where goes white politics goes the fate of the country. And this is a fundamental question that theyre really trying to people off a sliver of white voters who have been sold a story, not just for their entire lives but through generations, honestly, about the need to fear and resent black people and black power. So it is a fundamental question to white america. Are you going to vote with the future, with your better angels, or will you continue to fall for the siren song of fear and alienation and that is the question. Where do you follow that . That scares the living day lights out. Historically, we know where theyve gone. Its scary. It can be very scary. I think we have to think about where white voters will be looking at the positioning in society. Were in the midst of a census. Right . There are so many things overhappening where people, the threat of the increasing minority population in the United States has been talking about something people have been worried about with the population of white individuals decreasing, or at least not increasing. These have been played with and that says a lot about where the campaign for trump is trying to focus its attention. There are a lot of things going on that are the focus of peoples minds. Some of these appeals will be affected for some individuals. I dont know if it will do as well as it would have done before within the context of Something Like this pandemic. The other challenges that people are facing day to day where this may not be their primary focus. May i say one thing . Of course, cornell. This speaks to the need for to us expand and rebuild the obama coalition. As your panel i haists know, ba obama had a demographic break through. We got the percentage of the white vote that john kerry got on his way to losing. The difference was several million more brown people. And we saw a pull back of those orders in 2016. The Democratic Party, the progressives are not putting the energy and resources and expanding the electorate and bringing people of color back into this process and theyre depending on, again, what Hillary Clinton was too dependent on. That she would do better among white voters and barack obama did. That is i think a strategic problem. Yeah. All of it really important. And i think part of the points youre making, heather is being quite bhonls where she thinks trump has moved the conversation but also the Historical Context and yes, and to cheryls point, whether people are living the same when there are real world things going on. Thank you to all of you. We have a 30second break. When we come back, weve got a lot in the show including James Carville. Stay with us. 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But over 75 million americans saw some of the republican convention. Over 85 million saw some of the Democratic Convention with joe biden. So that is a huge seed change. As views are taking shape there are signs of a tight race in many places that matter. Biden has a small lead in some states. Other places have a small margin of error. While donald trump has a tough summer, there is a firm that sees rising odds of the election. The momentum in fare of trump will continue. Now, famed political strategist James Carville doesnt think much of donald trump or his chances. Just this summer he was saying trumps chances were so poor, he might not finish the race. I think theres a significant chance he doesnt run. I mean, this thing is going so poorly. Hes so far back. To me, it doesnt make much sense for him to run. And James Carville clearly joins us now. So far, he is running. What do you think of these forecast thats are different from internet polls but read all kinds of macro factors and say rising odds of trumps reelection. Theyre just scaring people. They need to go figure out how to make money in the financial sector. The truth is trump is at 42 in an 80 wrong track country. Theres such a thing as political physics. Right now, political physics is telling us one thing. Some of these democrats, they have to either get a diaper or get to work. Theyre just falling apart. And all jp morgan is doing is scaring their investors with this. If the facts change, ill change my minds but they havent changed. And like everybody else, i was nervous waiting on these polls coming out today. And they show very little change. And ari, you know this. At this point, if september 2, 2008, john mccain was head of barack obama. Was ahead. With an incumbent republican in the white house. I mean, 101. 5 million new voters. I have no idea what that means. There is no historical precedence for this. It has never happen before. But it would mean something. How much, i dont know. And so i do feel confident. Look. He will try. Of course hell try everything they can. Theyll make it, as my brother pointed out on the previous segment. Are you calling cornell your brother . He calls himself a hack and im a proud hack, too. So were brother hacks. Hacks all over the country. You know, cornell has seen enough data. As he points out, the data coming out now is that biden is actually better than this. By the way, you cannot have order without law. When the white house chief of staff says no one 10 miles outside of washington cares about the hatch act, that is an attack on the law. Youre a lawyer. You dont get to pick and choose which laws you follow. You really dont. Youre talking about mark meadows, when it was pointed out that they were breaking laws, in the way they staged the convention, he said people in other areas dont care about that. And youre saying thats a defiance of the rule of law itself. Of course it is. If the white house says we dont have to follow the law, then some of these people who are appropriately angry and frustrated said, why do you want me to follow the law . Just as a terrible example, everybody, a terrible example for young people. And you can talk all you want about order but there is no, you have lawlessness like we have, it isnt any good. I think the public understands that better than we give them credit for. And i think thats why you see in the polling numbers you see. I think we diminish maybe under appreciate where the American Public is now. I think theyre as tired of this. I really do. You mentioned law and order. We were talking about this higher in the show. I havent had a chance to air some of these ads. This is what a lot of people are seeing. Just as the conventions and the debates matter because so many see them, ads do have a big impact. I remember watching the war room where you were sitting there. Thats what you were putting your time into. Youre sending the ad over the conference call. I think it was with mandy. Oh, sure. And you say, no, sir. No, sir. Up, no new taxes. They say we only have time for two no, sirs. You were in every word choice for those ads. Right . Right. So lets look at these duelling ads. Criminals terrorize kenosha. Joe biden takes a knee. Biden and the radical lefts weak response has led to chaos and violence and their calls for Defunding Police would make it worse. Fires are burning and we have a president who fans the flames. You cant stop the violence. For years hes fomented it. His failure to call on his own supporters to stop acting as an armed militia in this country shows how weak he is. Your view of the ads . Well, first of all, the trump ads are out of the 1968 play book. One of the things that you know and i know, from the early 90s to the trump presidency, trump taking office, there was a significant, really significant drop in crime. What has changed . Ill tell you what has changed. Weve changed president s. We have a president that has no respect, no interest in following the law. That sets the entire tone of the country. We had 16 years of democratic rule. Eight years of republican rule. And you had skin drop in crime rate. The people didnt change. The president changed. And he sent a signal that this kind of lawlessness is okay. And i dont think, understanding that people are traumatized by this. I dont think that 1968 play book is going to work in 2020. I hope im right. I was wrong that him dropping out of race. But you know, you make a lot of convictions, sometimes youre wrong. I think in this one, so far, without thinking this race has been validated by the latest, like anybody else, i hope it continues. Well see. You know what yogi berra. It is what you make it is hard to make predictions. Especially about the future. Right. It never stops me from trying, you know . Thats what you have to do. I do feel confident the United States is dissatisfied with the current state of american politics. And i feel very confident that theyre anxious to make a change and i think they will. I really do. All good insights from you and your love for your, as you put it, your hack brother. Hack is clearly the word of the day on the beat. Always good to see you. Thank you. Appreciate it. Rule of law. Thank you. We have a lot more on tonights show. Dr. Fauci making a warning that breaks with the Trump Administrations talk on vaccine timing. And a huge melania friend and adviser telling all in the book, recording the first lady and explaining why she thinks she cant be trusted. And then news about personal email use. And later, Erin Brockovich. All coming up on the beat. All coming up on the beat. So, when you get a check. 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Maybe she would tell the truth. She turned her back. She did. She folded like a deck of cards and i was shocked when she did it. Joining me now, michelle goldberg. This is a familiar pattern. What in your view matters about this particular fallout . Well, the thing that matters the most is clearly the investigation into the inauguration spending. Which as far as we know, seems to be ongoing. And this is more confirmation about how, there was something wrong there. There are many millions of dollars that have gone missing. And so in terms of kind of real world import, i think thats the most significant thing. I also think it pulls back the curtain on this cultural tendency weve had throughout the nightmare of the Trump Administration, which is to project hope on to various figures, to act like, i think it is hard for people to accept that you truly have a white house full of unrepennan villains. So people at certain times try to pretends there must be good guys working on the inside. At least people who silently object to what theyre part of. So people like to pretend that melania was somehow a prisoner of all this. And even up until the republican convention. You saw after her kind of fairly formulaic speech saying maybe shes different than the other Donald Trumps and clearly shes not. There are pretty shocking revelations about her disdain for the children. Disdain and really disregard for the children who were separated from their families at the border. And i think confirmation when she wore that coat, that jacket that said, i dont really care to you, it was what it looked like, right . A reflection of her feelings. Yeah. Was it not maya angelou who. When someones everpriced jacket says something stupid, believe it. Something like that. The other part that comes up, not shocking but doesnt mean it should be normalized which is the emails. We all remember the 2016 email topic. There have been a parade, i will say as a journalist, that the first lady is generally thrust into a different category because it is a quasi government position with that support. It is also a Family Member who didnt ask to be appointed. So a little different. Having said that, in fairness, it is a long, long list that includes Melania Trump and people who who did ask to be appointed, who taxpayer funded, who did exactly what they thrashed Hillary Clinton for. I think at this point it is pretty clear the people who howl lock her up at trump rallies were not actually outraged by poor email server management. And i think it is clear with the trumps, ive said this before, that really any accusation they make is a secret confession, right . They project all their own crimes and misdemeanors and misdeeds on to other people. So i guess with the exception of birtherism, i cant think of a single thing trump has accused his opponents of that he is not guilty of himself. Its funny you bring that up. The trump, they had a birther problem in that it was not in soho. Thats a true thing. They were actually sued because they just built it in a cheaper neighbor, called it trumps s o soho. People would fly to new york and think they would be in soho and they were not. Although not the same as birtherism, it was a lie. Ive long thought one problem with the Hillary Clinton campaign, people in new york didnt understand the extent to which people outside of new york considered donald trump a legitimately successful and glamorous businessman because he was always such a joke here. So its astonishing that someone to fly to stay in trump soho thinking it was a soho destination. But right . Everything about this family is kind of ersatz and fraud lenulf. Put clearly and plainly. Always good to see you. Thank you. We have a lot more on this show were excited about including the one and only Erin Brockovich debut. First an update on a very important story. Dr. Fauci is back on the air and breaking with the Trump Administration with a key warning that relates to the election, when we return. Elates election, when we return they say carnivorous devourus inhabits these waters. If hes here, this devour white cheddar mac and cheese with bacon will lure him out. Ahhhhhhh eat like an animal. Devour. The Trump Administrations cdc is sendsing letters to states discussing the prospect of a Coronavirus Vaccine being ready and thus having Distribution Centers going by november 1st. Thats interesting, but dr. Fauci, a recognized nonpartisan expert, is breaking the cdc saying today, that while he is optimistic about a vaccine being potentially ready by the ends of the year, he doesnt see november 1st, let alone the election, as the time line. Fauci speaking bluntly about this virus. In contrast to the president , and urging everyone to take everything seriously going into flu season. Were right around 40,000 new cases. 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He backed peaceful protests but is making waves saying trump republicans are, enabling conduct that leaves people dead. The people who were killed in kenosha were protesters. They were killed by people who felt that they had a responsibility to help things. The National Guard was there. They didnt need help. Yet these people were free to walk the streets with long rifles, intimidating people. I hope that folks do understand that republicans continue to enable this sort of behavior. The sort of behavior that actually leaves people dead. Use go his platform to speak out. He said the reckoning on race must go i dont understand policing and tackle other problem like Environmental Justice. Black communities are expected to live in more polluted communities. Dealing with environmental hazards and toxins and could not attemptan attemptants. These deep seated inequities they reach every community. Every community. It can range from broad deregulation like trump green lighting more toxic water than the obama administration, which then hits poor communities harder, or the lead water that made thousands of children sick in flint, michigan. And then of course there are policies that do explicitly discriminate, like housing red lighting that can push people into areas where they bear the brunnel of global warming. Residents of color live in places 20 degrees hotter in the summer than wealthier white neighborhoods. Of course Erin Brockovich is known from Julia Roberts movie in the battle over toxic water. These days Everyone Wants to hear from the real Erin Brockovich. She is still on the job investigating environmental hazards across the country. This school has four times the National Average of hosta hodgkins than anywhere else in america. She continues to fight against Big Companies today. Im here for these victims to ensure that they are made whole again. I admire you. Youre a real life super hero. Youre like water batman. Water batman joins us now. Erin brockovich, the book, supermans not coming. Thank you for being here. Thank you for having me. Its good to be here. Absolutely. So starting on racial justice, when you see everything happening, what we just saw there in wisconsin, what is important from your work about countering that . Well, exactly what the book says. Superman is not coming. We do see environmental racism and they oftentimes bear the brunt of the issue. And it definitely takes longer to fix. But were seeing it everywhere. And i think thats one thing thats happening as were waking up and youre watching this wa unfold. It has been years of no action. They have felt they cant speak up. Theyve been suppressed back not to speak up. Theres been socioeconomic factors. Theres been deceptions. Theres the idea that theyre going to go away, and theyve been overlooked and we are not listening, and i think were at a moment where we are seeing it, acknowledging it, speaking out against it. And up for it, and getting right down to we, the people. Where if this isnt going to get done, we have to act. We have to get involved. We have to join together. And we have to make a change. How much of Environmental Justice in todays global world requires people understanding and regulating what International Corporations do . Because some of them are as powerful as countries, if not more so. They have their own foreign policy. And part of the argument you and others have alluded to, yes, they make money and employ people and people need jobs. But sometimes what they do is externalize their costs, so we read about this settlement or what it takes to make people whole and sometimes taxpayers foot the bill for that later, while in the short run the Corporation Says look how much money we made. Correct. And you know, we often talk about we need were doing things kind of ass backwards that way if you will, and we need to look at the new Business Models, if you will. The idea you have to do it the way you do it in order to make business is ridiculous, because the environment is being degraded, people are being harmed, our health is suffering. We have to start putting infrastructure, safety, and people first. And when you do that, i think theres this idea that if you dont do that, you dont make money, which is ridiculous. I think that is like the gig is up. Were all starting to see what is happening. And its a Business Model that doesnt serve any of us moving forward into the future. And weve neglected putting our money first in infrastructure, safety, and people and down the line creating horrific scenarios, huge lawsuits and billions and billions of dollars that you have gone in on the upfront for infrastructure safety and people first. Understood. Politically, of course, we all know how polarized so many things are. But its useful to remember that there were president s who happen to be republicans that did a lot for the environment and conservation, roosevelt, nixon. Yes, yes. And theres nothing automatically conservative or right wing about being against conservation or the globe. Take a look at nixon compared to today. We can no longer afford to consider air and water common property. Free to be abused by anyone without regard to the consequences. Instead, we should begin to treat them as scarce resources, which we are no more free to contaminate than we are free to throw garbage into our neighbors yard. Paris climate accord, which was unbelievably expensive to our country, would have crushed american manufacturers. We stopped to egregious abuse of the clean water act, which has shut down Construction Projects across our country. What do you see there in that evolution . We talk about that speech in my book, supermans not coming, and i dont understand the politics of it really drives me crazy. I was actually raised by a republican man who worked for industry and taught me the very value of the environment and water and clean air. Its like the party has moved away from that. This should be both side of the isles issue for the common good for all of us. The politic makes a big, big problem in getting that message out. And we have made some terrible environmental moves, leaving the paris climate accord, rolling back regulations, and the split. We have somehow got to come back to that middle again where we respect, especially on the issues of water and air for not only everybody here in our country, but on this entire planet that we all call home. And9 is in peril. Every one of us is experiencing and seeing whats happening. With backtoback hurricanes, more flooding, rising sea levels, drought on the west coast, more fires burning hot. I dont understand why both sides of the aisle put down the fight, get back to your job, get to the business at hand, of the environment, which all of it cannot be sustained without. Right. We only have one earth. Look, i appreciate your passion, how long youve worked on this. I hope you come back. For anyone who looks up to Erin Brockovich, if you work hard, some day Julia Roberts will flay you in a movie. Thats automatic. We, the people are rising up. Amen to that. Let me remind people, the book is supermans not coming by Erin Brockovich. Well be right back. By Erin Brockovich. Well be right back. Gh ] people ask. What sort of a person should become a celebrity accountant . And, i tell them, nobody should. Hey, buddy. Whats the damage . [ on the phone ] i bought it the waterfall . Nope my new volkswagen. A volkswagen . i think were having a breakthrough here. Welcome to caesars palace. Thank you. Which is why when it comes to his dentures only poligrip cushion and comfort will do. 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