Republican mayor in her state. We begin with this New York Times report causing heartburn at the white house, noting how the Trump Administrations internal projections were showing u. S. Coronavirus deaths nearly doubling by june 1, and 200,000 cases by the end of the month, up from 25,000. President trump revising his death estimate saying hopefully the u. S. Would see under 100,000 people die. That is actually the fifth time in just two weeks that hes made such a change, as msnbcs steve bennon reported. A tweaking of the death poll thats drawing criticism from the experts. And while the medical experts releasing numbers in realtime that contradict the president. Our projections have always been between 100,000 and 240,000 american lives lost. Thats with full mitigation and us learning from each other how to social distance. Look, were going to lose anywhere from 75,000, 80,000 to 100,000. Thats a horrible thing. We shouldnt lose one person over this. The Washington Post revealing that President Trumps desperateeighattempts to reopene country, one of the motivating factors is President Trumps hope for reelection rather than the priorities for Public Health. Take a look at this. Insiders say, the administration built the guidelines based on economic rather than Public Health advice, cheering an economic revival, rather than managing a Catastrophic Health crisis. We all know the weather is going to continue to get warmer. People want to go outside. The question is how you can do that safely. And consider this, Health Care Workers who have closer to this than anyone, warning about the implications of any further spike in cases. Theres going to be a lot of nurses that want to leave the bedside. Theyre going to want to get out of this environment. And out of this atmosphere. That its just draining us, mentally and physically its taxing. And going home to our families, you know, and having the fear. We kick off tonight with New York Times columnist nick christoph, hall rans the former executive editor for the New York Times. Nick, there is an obvious tension and balance tweer, because some parts of the country have the ability to reopen with cdc guidelines and social distancing. There is a way to do it safely, but a lot of places are doing it before the declines the Trump Administration said would be best. What do you see out there . Well, look, at the end of the day, i think we are going to need to relax this to some degree, because the public is itchy, ready to get out. And i do think that there are parts of the country where Community Transmission is low enough, that that is probably feasible. I also think epidemiologists tell me that going outside is probably a low enough risk that we maybe should ease some of those restrictions, including some of the beach restrictions. The problem is, its very hard to do this without adequate testing, without having good foresight about where the greatest risks are. And i think that if we cant do it because we dont have enough swabs and reagent and cant do enough diagnostic tests, we may have to do more sewage testing so we can know where a Community Even if we cant locate those in particular, but through the coronavirus, when we have to try alternatives like that. Hal . Ari, as you mentioned at the top, i think this is a significant day in this longrunning drama weve been watching. The figures from the john hopkins researchers at the time, that they released today put a frame around the big picture we need to be watching, and that frame is this. Weve nobody for three years that this president was incomp temperature and reckless, but the policies that hes announcing and pursuing today for this hasty reopening, absent scientific evidence, are immoral. And i think that is an important distinction. And im reminded, you know, that thousands of americans who are alive today would be dead by the end of the summer or by the end of the year because of this alteration in policy. Now, life and death decisions are part of the president ial job. Fdr knew before dday that thousands of Young Americans would die on those beaches in france. As it turned out, 2,811 American Service people died on dday. Now, this new policy, or this hasty policy means that we are losing that many, close to 3,000 in a single day by the end of this month. Now, fdr will be remembered for saying you have nothing to fear but fear itself. Harry s. Truman will be remembered in history for saying the buck stops here. This man is going to be remembered in history for saying you can inject lysol. You have to ask why he would persist in this course. He is trying to restart the economy, regardless of the cost in human lives because as phil rucker and his colleagues in the post reported, he wants to set him up for the 2020 election. Now, in that regard, lets look at what we know. We know that 6 out of 10 americans disapprove of this president. We know that 4 out of 10 americans do approve of his actions. That means that he can be defeated if democrats run the race that is waiting to be run, and the only strategy that the republicans have is to demonize joe biden in the next couple of months. That means joe biden has got to come out of his basement, and i would like to urge him to read, as im sure he has, David Axelrods article and David Plouffes article in the New York Times article this morning that says this election will be decided on social media. And they say that the Trump White House is light years ahead of the democrats in manipulating social media. That means the democrats have to get serious on behalf of the 6 out of 10 americans that want a new leader, to make sure the tail doesnt wag the dog this november. Hmm. All very interesting points. Certainly President Trump and candidate trump did very well online in a number of ways, and had a high return. Joe biden here trying to play catchup on that. Weve seen something from him, you know, in many days, including, margaret, these virtual interviews and town halls hes tried to do. On the way the president is moving the numbers, margaret, i wanted to get your reaction to something folks may have seen or heard about, which was in this town hall setting. Take a look at the president talking to brett bair. That number has changed, mr. President. I used to say 65,000 and now im saying 80,000, 90,000. But its still going to be at the very lower end of the plane if we did the shutdown. Margaret . How casual he is about saying oh, it could go up, it can go down. Im admitting now its going up. What we know is that whatever model you look at, the numbers are going up. And nick said theres a way for us to reopen safely, and hal says the way the president is doing this is immoral, and theyre both right. Whatever the numbers are, President Trump is going to say or jared is going to say, its a success story. That we know already. Because unlike president truman, he doesnt say the buck stops here. He says, im totally in charge, and then he says, i am not responsible. The performance in front of the lincoln memorial, its the second worst performance lincoln ever attended. So disgraceful to say so off handedly that the president said about the sick and dying in the shadow of lincoln. Hmm. You know, you talk about that, and think about comparing different president s approaches. Back to you, margaret. I want to play something we put together, which shows sort of the way the president has struggled to speak to any of this in addressing the nation over time. Take a look. Its something that we have tremendous control over. Youre talking about the virus . No, thats not under control for any place in the world. The president of the United States calls the shots. Over the next short period of time, it will be up to the governors. Well work with them, help them. But its going to be up to the governors. Its going to be done. Its going to be eradicated. Its inevitable that we will have a return of the virus, or maybe that it never even went away. Margaret, what policy challenge does that yeah, go ahead. Well, that the politicians and the Campaign Manager are now as influential or more influential than tony fauci. Its been clear for a while, but its now completely obvious. And one of the reasons a week ago hes urging governors to reopen the schools, which is one of the most fool harty things he could do for another month of schooling, was because he wants to be out there. He wants you know, the only way he can win in addition to bringing back the economy, is by rallies. He has to be able to rile up people. And if you look at his numbers, where he in pennsylvania where he won, a lot of it is where he had run up an 80 margin where he held rallies. He cannot win without that. Theres not a way that trump can do that, and he knows that. His Campaign Managers know that. And they have the upper hand now. Any thought that he was listening to dr. Fauci and dr. Birx, i think we should put aside. He is just now only thinking about that. Nick . I mean, his fundamental problem is that this is going to continue, and its not as if its going to go away in june or july or in the fall. If anything, we may get a second wave that is worse than this one. It happened in 1918. And we dont have therapies that are particularly effective. Remdesivir may help with the margin. So its hard to see how in may we dont lose another 50,000 people to this. And in general, the things that we are likely to do in terms of easing up on the economy, or if anything, going to lead to more infecti infections. We may get better at handling them, but infections will increase. So i think for the rest of this year, we are going to be facing wave after wave. And President Trump has finally met a match where he cant bully it, where he didnt lie his way around it. In addition to being completely unable to manage it. Yeah. And hal, just briefly margaret, im sorry, im on a tape delay. Im going to go to hal and then margaret. But the last thing i wanted to tee up is, what does it mean for america if dozens of officials are telling the Washington Post that the president only looks if theres an economic rather than a Public Health crisis. Hal and then last word to margaret. Well, i think it means that the professionals within the u. S. Government, military and civilian, and every important position know that the ship does not have a rudder, and that the man in the pilot house seems to be having a breakdown. And they are leaking, i think, as a matter of public service. Hmm. Margaret . President trump is now sending thoughts and prayers. Hes not listening. There is no rudder. His tweets today were astonishingly juvenile and irresponsible. And thats where we are. Hmm. Sobering but important to put it all out there for people to understand. My thanks to each of you. We have a lot more on tonights show, including the scrutiny on President Trumps claim that he didnt get good briefings on all this. And we have a top medical person who has advised bill gates long before the coronavirus crisis. If we start now getting ready, we can be ready for next pandemic. 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And if youre a small business, were with you. We are with you. Were with you. We want to help. So well be right here. At home. Answering your calls. Providing support. And standing by you every step of the way. Bye bye. Confident financial plans, calming financial plans, complete financial plans. Theyre all possible with a cfp® professional. Find yours at letsmakeaplan. Org. Much of america is starting to reopen right now this week. 32 states offering at least partial ways for people to return to life and work. Ground zero for all this might be georgia, where the republican governor, kemp, pushed the state to reopen last week, drawing criticism from President Trump, who was contradicting his own pascals to reopen. You can also see movie theaters and malls filling with people. Theres a video in atlanta where people are setting off fireworks and watching a stunt driving event. So people are living. Many were also waiting in line for the new jordan sneakers at this atlanta mall. But more activity obviously brings more risk. In fact, exposure to the virus in georgia has spiked 40 since the governor reopened the state. And the Trump Administration has been raising the u. S. Death estimate to nearly double by june. So right now we turn to an official in the middle of this dilemma. Atlanta mayor keisha bottoms, who opposes the governors policy, while also stressing that he continues to seek a working relationship with him. I know youre busy. Thanks for making time for us tonight. Oh, thank you for having me. Sure. What are you advising your constituents, your citizens to do in your city as you are still in a bit of a mash over policy with the governor . Ari, ill tell you, i was so taken aback this weekend when i saw so many people out that i stopped for a moment and i asked my husband in all seriousness, had i missed something about covid19, because there was so many people out. I thought that maybe something had changed, that maybe there still was not a highly contagious virus that thousands of people were dieing from each day. And the reality is, in georgia, people, a lot of people didnt get its business as usual. Many people heard what they wanted to hear and i think that was reflected across the country. But my message is consistent. Im encouraging people to stay home. Listen, i get it. I have an 18yearold in my house who is going stir crazy. Its beautiful in georgia right now. But the reality is that this is still a highly contagious virus, and especially in the africanamerican community. It is often deadly. Hmm. I want to play a little of something weve been doing throughout our reporting, which is listening to the frontline workers. You oversee many of them rubbing a city. Take a listen. At the place where i work, the doctors, the nurses, the respiratory therapists, the pharmacists, et cetera, will all have to take a pay cut because people arent doing whats right, and the people that arent doing things that are right all work in washington. There is no reason that the states who have had these super sick people should have to suffer. Weve suffered enough. Curious, your response . Yeah, i think its an incredibly selfish for those of us who dont have to risk our lives each day to put people in a position where theyre having to risk their lives and make sacrifices, whether it be economically or otherwise. When we look at other countries and how they have gotten to the other side of this, its very simple. They stayed in to flatten the curve. And were nowhere near there in georgia. Our numbers each day are running roughly between 25 and nearly 30 increase between those testing positive and those who are dying from seven days previously. So even by the president s own standards, we arent there. And it continues to concern me that we are going down what i feel to be a very reckless path. I have spoken with the governor. We agreed to disagree on this. But i think the fact that we are testing this and well wait and see in two to three weeks. We dont get a doover with this. Test thing means well see if more people get sick. Thats what we highlighted the 40 jump weve seen and whats going on and following what youre dealing with there. Thank you so much. Thank you. Appreciate it. Now i want to turn to a fact check i mentioned we were going to do earlier in the show. This involves something very important as we deal with these tough times. Im talking about accountability. President trump now on defense over what is clearly one of the greatest scandals of his very controversial presidency. The mishandling of the pandemic, the spreading of misinformation, now backing away from the medical briefings that many experts argued were doing as much harm as good. Now the white house is arguing President Trump didnt know how bad this would all get. New reports show President Trump was briefed twice verbally about the coronavirus spreading back in january and told it was going to spread globally. President trump now down playing that briefing. On january 23rd, i was told that there could be a virus coming in but it was of no real import. In other words, it wasnt oh, we have to do something, we have to do something. Its important to ask the question, that question clearly was posed there in that fox news appearance. But the answer is lacking. So let me show you the facts. This is another example of why reporting and facts matter. President trump clearly pushing back, because if people learned he blew off these warnings, it may shape public view for him. They show President Trump got over ten more warnings about the coronavirus in those very important daily briefings. Thats counting up secret briefings behind the scenes. Then you can add in the public warnings and it gets even worse for the president. Now, because this is a big debate in the country, i want to go a little deeper on one example of a public warning. Take february 25th. This headline says it all. Cdc officials warn of coronavirus outbreaks in the u. S. Let me tell you exactly what that New York Times story read like, because its really triking to think about it now. It says, federal Health Officials starkly warn the new coronavirus will almost certainly spread in the u. S. , and hospitals, businesses and schools should make preparations. And then came the warning from the doctor in charge of the cdc immunization center, saying its not so much of a question of if this will happen any more. Rather, a question of when will this happen . The doctor also added in that same public warning that cities could plan for dividing School Classes into smaller groups or closing schools all together. Meetings should be canceled, businesses should arrange for employees to work from home. Thats from that New York Times report. It was all right there in public. And you know who was listening . A lot of stock traders, because the markets plunged that day. They heard the same public warnings that donald trump wants you to believe didnt exist. What do you do when a pandemic is headed your way . You know what . There were warnings about that too, from the cdc, from other doctors, publicly and privately. From bill gates who personally lobbied President Trump on this issue and outlined a challenge facing any country looking at this kind of pandemic. Here he was in 2015. The problem was that we didnt have a system at all. In fact, theres some pretty obvious key missing pieces. We didnt have a group of epidemiologists ready to go, and a large epidemic would require us to have hundreds of thousands of workers. It didnt get into many urban areas. That was just luck. So the next time we might not be so lucky. It would spread throughout the world very, very quickly. If we start now, we can be ready for the next epidemic. These are the kind of warnings that the president is now telling everyone with a straight face dont exist. This may be the kind of fact check he doesnt want you to see. Were talking about Public Health, not ideology. Being prepared is not about getting points for being right. Its about being prepared so you can save lives. And the people who warned about this were experts like my next guest. Well get into that when were back in 30 seconds. En you go through tough times and every time, youve shown us, youre much tougher your heart, courage and commitment has always inspired us and now its no different so, were here with financial strength, stability and experience you can depend on and the online tools you need because you have always set the highest standard and reaching that standard is what were made for were back with dr. Kimball. She designed the strategy for the Gates Foundation and deals with how these illnesses spread from asia and joins us from my native hometown of seattle. Thank you for being here and thanks for the work you do. What is your response when the president claims there was not specific warnings back then . There were definitely warnings. I mean, just if you start when china first alerted about it, a typical pneumonia, then they closed down the entire hubei province. You dont do that unless something very, very serious is going on. And the briefings were very clear for the president. But lets go back a little bit. Actually, we have known since late 1990s of the pandemic risk. We saw it with the h1n1 pandemic of influenza. We saw it with sars in 2003. So this has been something that many Public Health experts, especially at the cdc, have been alerting for a long time. Yeah. This is a big part of the work that the Public Health wing of the Gates Foundation focuses on. Here was mr. Gates speaking about this, about how early action could have taken, specifically on the virus. Take a look. Many countries were listening to what was being said in january and took action. What you ended up with in the places where youre seeing massive deaths is you had communities spread and in february you didnt jump on it. We just need to take now and say okay, how do you build the testing system that will minimize the deaths . How important is it to apply these lessons now, given that the misinformation, misunderstanding or ignoring of these warnings in january seems to have put the u. S. On the track to be the leader in the death toll around the world, that some experts is saying that is partly a consequence of policy . Its absolutely a consequence of policy. Its very important to still do social distancing. Let me bring you up to speed a little bit. Every state is looking at their state and local capacity to do exactly that. How do we ramp up our Contact Tracing and testing to the point we need it, so we can loosen restrictions . In my state of washington, your home state, the governor has announced a recruitment of 1500 contact tracers. Hes struggling to get the reagents and the swabs from the federal government. What youre seeing is a lack of leadership on supply chain, so the states have been competing with one another on the open market to try and get the materials they need to be able to safety open up and test. Finally, let me play a little bit of a different approach by the last president. Take a look. There may and likely will come a time in which we have both an airborne disease that is deadly. If and when a new strain of flu, like the spanish flu crops up five years from now or a decade from now, weve made the investment. And were further along to be able to catch it. Ive got about 30 seconds now, but what is in your view the key investment that should be made now for the future on this . The key investment is twofold. First of all, we need to create trust internationally with our partners. Because this is a global pandemic. We need to refund the World Health Organization and we absolutely need to rebuild the trust that will allow us to manage this on a global scale. Thats element number one. Element number two, domestically, is the states need to be supported to continue social distancing until its safe for the people. And your example of georgia is going to be a classic case of exactly why you dont open up when youre still having a curve going up. 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But you do sell investments that earn you high commissions, right . We dont have those. So, whats in it for you . Our fees are structured so we do better when our clients do better. At Fisher Investments were clearly different. Welcome back. Experts say the most comprehensive way to end the pandemic like this is finding a reliable vaccine. That could take well over a year. Thats something the president s own advisers have also said about the time line, including why hes in the room with them. But President Trump now touting as quick a timeline as, in his mind, seven months. We are very confident that well have a vaccine at the end of the year, by the end of the year have a vaccine. I just want to get a vaccine that works. If its another country, ill take my hat off to them. Im joined by dr. Zeke emanuel, who served with president obama. Hes a nationally recognized expert on ethics and cohost of making the call. Thanks for being here. Grade to be with you, ari. At the risk of oversimplifying, i think we can agree on one thing right now, which is what do we want . A vaccine. When do we want it . Now. But you are a medical expert. Walk us through the road to that, and does the president have any business claiming by the end of the year . What is your view . So weve got a couple of vaccines, maybe a few more in testing with humans. These preliminary tests are safety tests to see if, in fact, the vaccine doesnt cause harm. And your viewers need to understand there is a chance that a vaccine against coronavirus can cause harm. There is whats called antibody dependant enhancement that can recruit more viruses in, and it can hurt people. It would be dreadful to give Healthy People something that could eventually, actually hurt them. So theres going to be a lot of testing. We have about 115 candidates that are in all stages of development. And were going to go with the team. So then you have to do safety testing. That will sake three, four months, because you have to inject people and then watch them for a while. Youre also going to monitor to see if they produce antibodies. If they produce antibodies, people are arguing we should go to a randomized trial, of people getting injected with the vaccine and some people getting injected with placebo and see who gets infected from this. That also takes time. Thats probably going to be a trial that has more than 10,000 people in it. They then have to become exposed to the virus. Some will get infected with covid and some wont or will be protected, we hope. And that takes time. You have to see how long people react. So each one of these steps takes time. Enrolling people, watching them to see if they get infected and that they dont develop covid. You cant rush biology. That part of it is going to take another part of it minimum four to six months. Doctor, when you say you cant rush biology, thats a little like saying you cant hurry love, right . Do we still have the doctor . Or did i lose you . I got the analogy. You need the body to react to the vaccine and develop, antibodies as well as other immune cells. And then the body has to be challenged by an external exposure to covid and see if people dont get infected. The body takes its time with biology. This isnt digital where you can literally at the speed of light create an answer. We have to wait for how biological systems like the immune system respond. Makes sense. And just briefly, though, the idea of getting it within say two years, given what we know about the process, you think that can happen . Its possible. But almost all those statements about its going to happen within 12 to 18 months have a catch phrase. The fine print that says if everything goes perfectly. Right. And its not often that everything goes perfectly. You know, you need a good safety result with the antibodies, then the vaccine has to work with the antibodies up and prevent people from getting infected with covid and simultaneously will have produced a lot. Again, it depends on which vaccine, how easy it is to produce. Not all vaccines are similarly easy to produce. A lot of people have been focusing on this okxford vaccin and put it in a cold virus and then inject that. It turns out that is not so easy to manufacturer. So you could have a vaccine that works but making hundreds of millions of copies will be a big challenge. So each step has its own challenges. If it goes perfectly, if the naked rna vaccines work, which are the simplest ones, thats probably the fastest path. But we have never produced a viral vaccine that way. Right. And youre educating us on that process, which does help us give some metrics for when we hear these things from politicians or whomever, what the actual world would look like. I have some fun Family Business before i let you go. Take a look, weve got emanuel family picture. Our viewers have noticed youre not the only emanuel that worked for president obama. So did rahm. Our emanuel is what we call a successful super agent. My only question for you, for viewers who have noticed this. Yes, it is the same emanuel family. Who is your mother most proud of . Im guessing its you, the doctor. [ laughter ] my mother is, as she likes to say, she hates us all equally. One of the great things about my mother, she loves us all equally and sometimes that can be pretty minimal, and sometimes it can be just smothering its so wonderful. When rahm was in the white house, it was rahm all the time. Look, all i was going to say is we could tell from looking a t the three of you, obviously your mother and father did a great job. I can only imagine the intellectual zingers at that dinner table. We wanted to have a light note on that. Dr. Emanuel, appreciate your expertise, sir. Thank you for that little interruption. Its nice to see that picture. There you go. We feel the same way. When we come back from break, we have something we want to share with everyone. The story of an actual hero on the frontlines trying to bri iia little joy to patients going through tough times. And what does it mean to have art and community during these times . Stay with us. Little things. Can become your big moment. Thats why theres otezla. Otezla is not a cream. Its a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. With otezla, 75 clearer skin is achievable. Dont use if youre allergic to otezla. It may cause severe diarrhea, nausea or vomiting. Otezla is associated with an increased risk of depression. Tell your doctor if you have a history of depression or suicidal thoughts or if these feelings develop. Some people taking otezla reported weight loss. Your doctor should monitor your weight and may stop treatment. Upper respiratory tract infection and headache may occur. 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It brings me to something i wanted to share with you. I spoke recently with Melissa Etheridge, the great rocker, about what shes been up to. Lets take a look. Dont have to live like a refugee. We turn to Melissa Etheridge. Tough times, what a pleasure to see you. Pleasure to see you. These are tough times, were all doing what we can. Doing what we can, being informed, taking precautions is one piece of it. But peoples mental, spiritual health, especially as this is long term is another piece of it. As you and i know, you joined us here on the beat before, we both love music in different ways, you with talent, me without. I am just a fan. Why did you think the music would be so important this week. Tell us what youre doing. You have an appreciation for talent. Thats all thats really needed. You know what, when i realized what was happening here, when i realized concerts were going to be cancelled, that my future plans were in danger and changing and i realized i wouldnt be able to reach the fans that i love to reach, i really wanted to do something mostly for my own Mental Health. You know, i love it is good for my Mental Health to get in front of people and sing. It is my biggest joy. So i decided on monday, said look im going to do this every day. It gives me something to do every day. I get to wash my hair, get dressed. So you know, we are isolating here, and its letting us know how important human contact is. So weve got thousands of people coming online every day on facebook, 3 00. Its really doing my heart good. I love that. What kind of reaction are you getting . Oh, its great. I have people from australia, from belgium, england, texas, and all kinds of strange places. Theyre all checking in at once. It gives us a feeling of connection. This whole thing actually should be letting us know how connected we really are, that what happens in another country does effect us. And coming together globally, music has always been a way to do that. Music heals. It always has been. Im so grateful to be able to create music for people. What does it mean to you as an artist to do it live because anyone could say well, we have more access to both music and content than ever before, so obviously anyone can say you know what, im putting on a little Melissa Etheridge while i do my hand sanitizer, look after my kids if the schools are closed or whatever and yet it is so different when you know it is live, right . Oh, yeah. Thats the whole reason that my concerts have been doing well for years, because people enjoy the going to see a show, being surrounded by people, experiencing their Favorite Song and singing it. That experience, you cant get that off a recorded piece or just watching. To be there in the moment, to let people know im here now at this moment connecting with them, i think thats a human need. Yet the other side of this, talking about the positivity, i dont want to ignore the impact, we talked about restaurant workers, people in bars, low income. Most musicians are not global touring icons, most people are not Melissa Etheridge level. I wanted to ask you how this is effecting both musicians, artists, people in the industry in general. Put up one report from rolling stone. Concert business losing billions. Cancellations severe. Smaller scale operators, and insurance policies that wont necessarily cover peoples losses in the situation. What are you seeing and hearing from people you know in this field who are going to be effected . It is really difficult. These are talented people from the musicians, from my band, the musicians that i work with who are not going to get a paycheck the next few months to the roadies who are highly skilled sound operators, lighting operators, guitar technicians, drum technicians who cant work from home. You know, theyre not going to get paid. So theres a lot of people taking a big hit, not only me as an artist, im going to have to start thinking about bills myself. We sort of grow and rely on okay, this is my time to make money, this is what i do, and yes, i have been blessed. A lot of people are taking a big hit. Theater goers and restaurants around the theaters. Theres a whole lot of Melissa Etheridge walking us through what she and her artists and people she works with are facing. Wanted to show you a little of that conversation. Also tonight on instagram, im speaking with kim osorio, hiphop journalist and great person. Thats tonight. And tomorrow, nancy pelosi, speaker of the house of representatives on the beat. Join us tomorrow with Speaker Pelosi live. Keep it here now on msnbc. Good evening. I am Steve Kornacki in new york. It has been almost two months since we shut down the country to slow the spread of the coronavirus. During that time we saw case counts surge, death rates escalate to terrifying heights, and tens of millions of americans lose their jobs. Thanks to americans willing to