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Confusion, let alone panic. And heres why. The facts and the science provide a clear path for us right now. There are facts that you can gather that will guide your decisions in the days and weeks ahead and focusing on the right facts while avoiding misinformation can help prioritize what you do and literally what you do to make you and your community safer. So that is our spirit tonight as we begin. We have the latest facts and medical guidance for you throughout this broadcast. Here we go. Right now there are over 4300 confirmed cases of coronavirus in the United States which have led to over 80 deaths. We can now report 33 states have closed all Public Schools plus additional districts across the country. And slightly more in 35 states declaring formal emergencies. These measures and the wider concerns have the markets tumbling again today. The dow down a whopping 13 . That makes this and you may have heard this last week, but now this is true as of today. This is the worst day for the markets since 1987. This is a crash that also comes even after the fed took new stimulus actions like severely cutting interest rates. Now, across the globe more and more countries are closing their boarders to noncitizens. Here in the United States were seeing all sorts of new measures. High of high literally postponing a president ial primary for tomorrow, the latest to state to do so. In cities from paris to los angeles, officials shutting down restaurants and bars and movie theaters. Health experts at the White House Press Conference Today releasing new guidance. Avoid groups of ten or more. If you can, just stay home. No matter who you are, please stay home. If someone in your household is diagnosed with this virus, the entire household should quarantine in the house to prevent spread of the virus to others. President trump also struck a somewhat different tone today. He cited experts a bit more. He acknowledged a recession may be coming, and then he credited the role of the press during a National Crisis like this. These are notes from the president that are certainly different than usual. Were going to get into that more later in the hour. He also said Something Big picture. Whatever your thoughts, whatever your politics, whatever views you bring to the way america normally runs, he said something that i bet you can understand or relate to. That we are in a new reality, and its a reality that could last quite sometime. Is this the new normal until well see what happens. They think august, could be july, could be longer than that. Ive asked that question many, many times. The truth is no one knows exactly how long this will go. You can name a month, july, august, or later. We do know, though, that experts have told us the nature of the spread of this virus in other countries, which is a very recent type of precedent, suggests that those of us here in the United States are currently still in the early stages of how our nation adjusts and reacts. What comes next, though, depends on several factors. Some we cant control. We know that. But others are behavioral and policy choices that the nation can control. Some of them are at an individual level, limiting interactions, following cdc guidance. Some of them are at the local level. The rules set by local authorities, and some relate to National Decisions that the president and the congress will continue to make. I want to kickoff our broadcast tonight with rick burke who runs the website stat, all health news. A long time Senior Editor at the new york times. An epidemiologist, and anchor for bbc news. Rick, when you look at the available facts, what is most important in understanding where the United States is at right now . Well, let me say, ari, i thought it was very important what you said at the outset about the spirit of facts and the truth. And i was really struck by the president today when he said a month ago nobody ever heard of it. I was i almost fell out of my chair because our lead Public Health reporter Helen Branswel wrote about this january 4th. We had a month ago, we had written over 100 stories. Not just us, but other reputable news organizations. So the facts were out there. And the sad truth is people werent looking at the facts. And its important for us to know, for us to all keep putting them out and being, as you said, not being panicked, but sort of taking the right steps, and knowing what we dont know. We dont know if hospitals are going to be overloaded. We think that could happen, but theres a model, we wrote about it where a Data Scientist today said, well, if we do proper social distancing, the hospitals may not be overloaded. So there are a lot of unknowns here that we have to be aware of. You think about, as you said, the known unknowns, to use a phrase. And then the known knowns, doctor, we have a lot of things we can do. Thats been an emphasis on this. I want to play for you dr. Fauci talking about the levels of reaction were seeing and what is not an over reaction. Take a listen. When youre dealing with an emerging Infectious Diseases outbreak, you are always behind where you think you are if you think that today reflects where you really are. Thats not word speak. It means, if you think youre here, youre really here because youre only getting the results. Therefore, it will always seem that the best way to address it would be doing something that looks like it might be an over reaction. It isnt an over reaction. I appreciate the nuance of what hes asking us all to consider, the doctor using his bedside manner to speak to us all like adults. What is it to us to mean to understand, things that seem, quoteunquote, drastic . Because they ask a lot of us are not necessarily a, quote, over reaction . Exactly. When Public Health methods work, that is when we think afterwards, this was all a big over reaction. We all have to do everything we can to limit spread, to flatten the curve. Social distancing, all of the things that everybody is telling us to do, this will limit spread here in the United States as it has in other countries. The other thing we have to remember is that epidemics have happened all over the world before in countries where they can pull together between business, between government, and between communities. They are all able to flatten the curve of epidemics before. Weve seen this other places. We have to do the same thing in other places on a large scale. Were just not used to it here in the United States. Katty kay, thinking about other places in the United States, whats happening in other places, the stress in air travel, take a listen to people our reporters have talked to if its unfolding. It felt like a scary movie because of all the people wearing masks. No consistency in questioning. No temperature check. No swabs. Nothing. So its just been a lot of confusion to the point i wanted to come home because its not even worth the stress. What do you think we can learn about this from the global side, catty . I think theres quite a lot we can learn. I was due to fly in sunday night into the states. I changed my travel plans to come back early. When i flew in there was no temperature testing and no swabbing going on Dulles Airport at all. The temperature testing does seem to be key. If were not going to give people swab testings, what happened in china that seemed to work effectively is you got your temperature taken everywhere. You got on the bus your temperature was taken. You went in your own building your temperature was taken. If you had a high fever you were separated from your family. One of the important things we heard from the white house today, and actually the u. K. Government, was the stress on family clusters because many of the cases, a large proportion of the cases in china were actually in family groups. So trying to steparate people from their families in theyre sick, but isolate whole families so they dont go and infect other people. To some extent the United States has the advantage of being able to learn from other countries. Theres a tragedy the Trump Administration didnt seem to want to learn for the first month or so of this. Today we saw a different tone and hopefully they are looking at what happened in other countries and taking lessons from those. On that point, brings us to Something Else we wanted to get to, rick, which is take a listen to the Surgeon General discussing the examples from other countries. I think youve got several different models and, yes, there is a potential for us to become italy. Were doing the right things now so that in two weeks we dont become italy. But were all in this together. Rick . I think we do have the benefit of seeing other models and how its playing out in other countries, but that last quote, were all in this together, its really interesting to me. I think back to this crisis and i think back to 9 11 when we were all uncertain and panicked and not knowing where to turn. And i remember as a political reporter, i didnt have much to write about because we were all in this together. We werent this country, the political leaders were not attacking each other. Everyone thought theres a common goal here. And now we have a situation, because of what were hearing from members of congress, members of the white house about the performance and the reaction of our leadership in this country, its become political and partisan in a way that doesnt serve anyone well. And its really striking to me because this feels like it should be a moment when people are together, are in this together and there should be common goals. And i worry that thats not happening. Catty, do you share that concern . Or do you see any evidence that, again, this has been happening so quickly for some, although as rick says, many scientists, doctors and folks who write about this full time, what we might call the em pier cpirical community, do you see washington catching up to this today versus say a week ago . You do see a new tone from the white house today certainly. It didnt receive seem to reass markets. The markets now think the alarm that is being expressed in the white house and in the Federal Reserve made the markets investors even more anxious. I think the real issue the whole country has become politicized. Its alarming to see the degree to which even the coronavirus and how serious you think it is depends on whether you support the administration or you dont support the administration. Thats kind of fatal. We have to get people on board with realizing this is a serious problem because otherwise people wont make the sacrifices necessary and they have to have that from leadership. Theyve got to hear it from the white house and they have to hear it from republicans on the hill. As you said go ahead, rick. I thought it was an encouraging tone at the press conference. Youre all right about that. For the first time i cant remember the last time the president complimented the press for its handling of anything. And he complimented the press after being very critical of the coverage for a while. So i think thats progress. You mention that. It caught our ears as well, not strictly because we happened to be in the press, but both on that and the name of one of his well known twitter foes jeff bezos who has been trying reportedly to be part of the solution. He skipped the usual petty reactions weve seen in almost every other setting about the press and beyond. Were going to show some of that later in the broadcast because its so relevant. Rick burke and katty kay, i want to thank both of you. Were going to bring you back, doctor, for something coming up special this hour. Donald trump telling people they need to get respirators on their own. The governor offer rhode island is here for a local perspective later in the hour. I have a live interview coming up with a volunteer who just received the very first test of the potential quirCoronavirus Vaccine. That is Important News we want to get into. 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We heard from that federal officials sunday, and the president reiterating it today. A federal quarantine not on the table. Are you considering instituting a nationwide lockdown, a nationwide quarantine . The nsc knocked that down, but there are still some questions about how it all at this point not nationwide, but well, there are some places in our nation that are not very affected at all. We may look at certain areas, certain hot spots as they call them. Thats the public position of the federal government. But and this is important. I want you to know. If you looked on twitter and certain parts of the internet over this weekend, you would have seen the opposite of the fact we just reported because there were all kinds of vague rumors and tweets about a lockdown. This is a reminder to treat unsourced information very carefully right now, and there are new reports that foreign governments may have been pushing the online talk of of a federal u. S. Lockdown to both scare and divide americans. Now, having said thats correct you should also know in todays press conference we saw a president we were discussing this before the break, a president who struggled with his response to this crisis. At one point disclaiming any responsibility, and last week still poking, stoking and trying to poke at rivals with all sorts of petty fights. Well, we did see an attempt at a different tone today. The president saying uncharacteristically measured things about the media, about the owner of the Washington Post who has personally locked horns with the president before. Amazon founder, jeff bezos. I think a lot of the media actually has been very fair. I think people are pulling together on this. I really think the media has been very fair. We heard jeff bezos has been in contact with the white house daily. Can you say what hes been ive heard thats true. Some of my people as i understand it have been dealing with them or with him. As we look at the government response were joined by rhode island governor who shut all bars and restaurants in rhode island. That begins tomorrow. There are reportedly 21 cases or more in the state and the former chair of the republican party, michael steele. Good day to both of you. Appreciate you making time. Hi, ari. Good to see you. And im on a slight tape delay, tell you, and viewers. Sound delay. Governor, what you heard from the president , does it stouound constructive to you, does it sound like a shift . And how does it deal with what youre doing locally . What were doing is taking action locally. Here in rhode island we tried to stay in front of this. We were one of the first states to deploy our National Guard to help us do some of the testing. I would say at this point the federal government is trying to catch up. We had a call today with the president and the vicepresident , all of the governors. I appreciated the call. I appreciated that they are listening to us. But right now states are leading and the federal government needs to continue to speed up the urgency with which they are acting. We are particularly concerned, every governor i know who is dealing with this, is particularly concerned with access to the personal protective equipment our front line workers, doctors and nurses. We need to get them the masks and the gloves that they need to protect themselves. So it is a good shift in tone by the president. I think its late in coming. And the white house and our federal government needs to pick up the pace and catch up to where many of the governors are. Michael . Yeah, i agree with that. I think the governor hit it right on the head. Governor hogan from the state of maryland who is the head of the National Governors association has been coordinating with the governor and others around the country on that very front line. Because the federal response was so slow, the fact that the federal government, the cdc specifically turned down w. H. O. , World Health Organization test kits back in january, were now a little bit behind the 8ball, trying to do a mass production of testing kits to get into the hands of the governor and states around the country makes this a very difficult challenge. But to their great credit, these governors have been on the front line. They are closest to the people, as you know, ari, and they have a better sense of how these crises tend to form themselves and what they need to do. I remember as a Lieutenant Governor of maryland dealing with certain issues in our state at the time, working with the governor, amassing not just medical personnel, but, you know, your National Guard if necessary, and hospitals, and even the School System as we see here. Their front line, you know, elected officials. Theyre on that wall, so to speak, and have been handling this and actually sort of giving the government, the federal government pointers on what they need and what they need them to do next in order to stay ahead of this thing. A michael, whmichael, what d of the tone donald trump struck today . Was it enough to matter or bigotry of expectations . I think there were both. There were points where the president still doesnt want to accept responsibility for the slow response of his administration. Looking backwards, again, blaming, wanting to blame others for that. But, you know, the governor, as we here in maryland know with governor hogan, you have to look beyond that, so you take that glimmer of a positive tone, sort of okay, i get it, i understand whats going on now. And were going to amass the resources that you need to get ahead of this thing as quickly as possible, taking the necessary steps, looking to the governors. Some states are a little bit more severe with their quarantines. Others not so much depending on the nature of the vierrus there and that gives them the flexibility to make the choices. So when the president says, to sort of quell this internet rumor of a national lockdown, that would hamper governors at this point, so good that he recognizes that and wants to let the governors decide right now whats the best course of action to take in their states. Governor, i saw you nodding. I want to read to you briefly from a story that got a lot of attention here from the new york times. Trump to governors, find your own respirators. Quote, respirators, ventilators, all the equipment, try getting it yourselves. Your response. We are doing that. Weve been doing that for weeks. Its time for the federal government to step up. You know, i agree with michael that the tone matters and i was pleased to hear a different tone today. We need action. We dont need a better tone, we need action. We need ventilators to be made available to us. We need manufacturers to increase manufacturing of the personal protective equipment. We need the federal government to massively step up the speed with which they are coordinating and de and getting these supplies to governors. I would say back to the difference between tone and action, the Economic Impact of the virus and its spread is enormous. You know, i was very proud rhode island was one of the first states to make Unemployment Insurance available. Today i closed bars and restaurants. Unemployment is going to go up. Thats, you know, we know that as a fact. So what i would say to the president is, dont wait. You know that now. Lets get working. Put another package together to start thinking about a stimulus, which is big enough to make a difference. Dont wait, act. Thats what governors are doing and thats what the white house needs to do. Right. And thats why all of a sudden everything is, quoteunquote, on the table. Senate democrats pushing new policies today that go to exactly what youre talking about, robust Unemployment Insurance, emergency child care for families that are obviously going to be affected and this hitting working class families and people without Health Care Even harder than everyone else. So its a shared challenge. Governor romando and michael steele, thank you to both of you. Thank you. You got it. We are covering the story from a lot of different angles. Next we turn to something special. The first person to receive a test of an experimental Coronavirus Vaccine. She actually got this shot today. She joins us on msnbc when were back in 30 seconds. Today the United States has tested its very first Coronavirus Vaccine. It went to a volunteer that you see right here, 43yearold jennifer howeller from seattle. One of the hardest hit areas for this virus in Washington State with over 840 cases. Its a fastmoving story and she joins us right now, the very first Coronavirus Vaccine volunteer, jennifer howeller and back with us for medical perspective, epidemiologist at ucal. Jennifer, thank you for what youre doing. This fits into a lot of different ways people are participating and trying to help around the nation. And thank you for being willing to talk with us. Yeah, im so happy to be here and i am so excited to be the first person. This is crazy. Yeah, right. Crazy is one word for it. I think its got to have a lot of different feelings for you. Very straightforward, id love for you to tell us, you know, as they say, in your own words, how did this come about and walk us through what happened today. Yeah, you know, just a couple weeks ago there was a call for volunteers and i filled out a form and got a call back and went through the phone screen, passed that. I went in person for a physical exam, blood draw, everything looked good there, and here we are. I went in this morning at 8 00 a. M. And got the first dose. There it is. I am you know, we feel, all of us, i know we feel so helpless, like what can we do. I am so excited that there was actually something that i could do and i did it. And im doing it, and i am so proud of myself and so thankful for the privilege that i have that allows me to do this. Im healthy. I have a fulltime salaried job. My company is flexible. They allow me to take time off to do this. I have supportive friends and family. My real concern is for the people that, that have hourly jobs that lives are going to be severely impacted coming up soon. Based on what youre learning and what youre participating in, where does this process go from here . I do a daily log, a temperature and any side effects im feeling. I keep track of those. Of course, call in if i have any issues. Do a known call tomorrow. Phone ca do a phone call tomorrow. Phone call the next day. Get a second dose of the vaccine in four weeks. Ill be followed 14 months through the study. And did the folks involved in this tell you about any potential risks . Obviously this is, to put it simply, hopefully a good thing and youre participating in it. You can imagine some people wondering at home, oh, my gosh, everyone is nervous about all sorts of things right now. How do you walk through the risk . How do you see that . Yeah, you know, a really important thing to understand thats really helped a lot of friends and family who were concerned that this vaccine uses messenger rna, so it does not use any of the virus. At no point during the study will i be exposed to the virus. So thats awesome. You know, regular potential side effects from a vaccine, totally up for those. And then, of course, theres the absolute unknown. This one has never been tested in a human and im up for it and ready. And if they do have a breakthrough here, would you be really excited to be a part of demonstrating that . I mean, there is so much of this sto story thats been so hard on people. Potentially i dont want to get ahead of the test run, but would you be excited if it works out . I mean, of course. I mean, the chance that i could have something to do with helping save lives is huge. You know, if this isnt the right vaccine or whatever, at least im part of the process, were part of figuring this out and getting closer to something to help everybody. Yeah, fantastic. Stay with me. As mentioned, were getting this news worthy perspective from you and people around the country and the world are wondering about the race for a cure or vaccine. I have the doctor here. What do you think its important people understand about these types of tests . In terms of the vaccine were discussing right now, vaccines will take awhile to be able to move forward and to be able to go through all the safety testing. There are a lot of regulatory aspects here and what this woman is doing right now which is wonderful is participating in a vaccine trial. In terms of tests, there are several tests that are coming online. And the more that we can get screening going rapidly disseminated everywhere, the better we are and the more well understand what we have in this country in terms of burden of infection. It will help dictate where policy goes. Following up to you, Everyone Wants to know about time lines. How quickly do you think we could learn about a given vaccine or experimental cure could be workable and then distributed . It really there are several steps, regulatory steps that have to happen. This is to protect people to make sure there are no side effects, that the safety data is really straight is very good. And once we have those data, then it can move forward into the next step. But there are always several regulatory steps that protect everyone so that when a vaccine is available to the public, it will well know that it works well. And we still do believe that this will take at least a year or so to be able to be available to the public. So right now all of the measures that were talking about, we cant be putting our hopes into a vaccine. We need to be putting our energy into social distancing, to making sure that hospitals are not overloaded and that everybody does their part to be able to slow the spread of this virus. Really great points about the difference between a panacea, hoping for this to all be worked out, versus all the things weve been telling people to do. Jennifer, final question. What do your friends and family say . What are you telling them . You know, some are wary about it. But, no, it is amazing the outpouring and support and love ive received from friends and family. Ive had messages from strangers on facebook thanking me and its so im just so thankful that i get to be part of this. Fantastic. I think its great what youre doing. Appreciate you not only doing it, but taking time to share something that is for somebody would obviously be private or difficult. Youre clearly a person willing to jump in and also be a part of sharing what could be the search some scientific breakthroughs here. Jennifer howeller, thank you. And stay with us as youre part of our coverage. Coming up were talking to a scientist some call a coronavirus hunter, an expert and team who is racing for a cure. Thats next. This is big. Double dozen big its captain ds new double dozen shrimp. Yeah, you heard that right. Two dozen golden, crispy shrimp piled high on one plate time to double down when the captain is callin. Captain ds. Doprevagen is the number oneild mempharmacistrecommendeding . Time to double down when the captain is callin. Memory support brand. 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They have a team of scientists protected head to toby body suits with Battery Powered respirators. They work in a windowless air tight laboratory in a secret location and they are searching, quite simile, for the cure. That is according to bloomberg reporting. Someone dubbed a coronavirus hunter of sorts, professor ralph barak. And ann ramoin. The two know each other. Everyone wants to know are you closer to a cure. Its a pleasure to be here on your show, ari, and a special shout out to jennifer for her courageous efforts and leadership in taking the vaccine. Shout out to jennifer. Yeah. Our group has been studying coronaviruses for 35 years and weve been focused on identifying small molecule inhibitors the last five years that block coronavirus replication and pathogenesis. One of those drugs rambisovir, we developed in collaboration, and vanderbilt university. A second drug called nhc, weve also been studying that works well against all emerging coronaviruses, including sars, too. That was done in collaboration with groups at Emory University and is moving through the fda process right now. So, when you walk us through that were on a little bit of a delay from skype. If its all right, i want to ask you a followup. When you walk us through your opening there, to put it in plain english, this is a big area of research thats been going on for years and people are waking up more to your work now because of this Public Health crisis, is that right . Weve been working on developing these two particular drugs for over five years. Rambisovir, we began collaboration with gillead, really designed to develop drugs against new emerging pathogens, and we focused on coronaviruses, particularly not only the emerging coronaviruses like sars coronavirus, mers coronavirus and sars 2, it works against all of them so its quite impressive. In vitro, in animals, and now in human testing. When you look at what this takes, is there basically full support for everything youre doing . We mentioned some of the reporting just about obviously the Safety Measures and the funding and all that. Or is there more that the u. S. Or other governments could do to help and expedite your work . Well, weve been well funded by the National Institutes of health for about six years now working on this particular problem. Weve also been engaged in some of the Early Vaccine work with the n. I. H. And the n. I. H. Vaccine Research Center to developing and testing not only the rnabased vaccine,s, but the recombinant based vaccines. Part of that is because we developed the first animal models for many of these emerging coronaviruses and so we were well positioned to contribute to global efforts. I want to give ann a chance to weigh in as well. I think that what ralph barak is saying who is one of the leaders in Coronavirus Research here in the world is key. His lab has been funded to be able to do this work. And its so important to have n. I. H. And other funding to be able to do this kind of science so that when there is an emergency, that this can ramp up quickly and keep moving forward. You know, in general, funding has not been robust for science in general in the past several years, and so were seeing the results of that. Were just very lucky that dr. Barak has had so much ability, so much funding and so much work on this for so long that he can move as quickly as he can. Ive known him for a while, and i, i am very, very glad to see that he is front and Center Getting this work done. You mentioned the federal funding from n. I. H. Both of you educating us all about how this works. And its a really important reminder for the public as we think about the tradeoffs, we think about Public Health funding, new bills heading to congress. If you have a case of emergency, you need to have the fire extinguisher to already be in there. You dont want to break glass and have an i. E. U. 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The the hospitality taking some of the hardest hits in america, closing bars and restaurants outright until further notice. Tonight Speaker Pelosi pushing a third package after the response package. As america unites and rallies and looks for responses here, we are treating this clearly as the economic emergency that it is. But notice some are pressing for even bigger ideas and larger questions about what the priorities are. For example, is this a time to spend more so that every single american has Health Coverage in the first place . Thats a point that joe biden and Bernie Sanders were discussing at the debate last night. And while President Trump has already suspended interest on Student Loan Debt during this crisis, others are advocating this as a time to put some of the billions that are apparently up for grabs toward Student Debt Relief outright, or do you remember the once long shot idea from president ial candidate andrew yang, 1,000 Cash Payments for every american . In the midst of this Public Health crisis, republican senator mitt romney is pushing a similar plan that would fry to help people with Cash Payments during this outbreak. Im joined by gene spurling. From the clinton and obama administration. He worked on crafting the obama stimulus. Great to work with you, someone who has been an expert in the room on the facts. Lets begin with the hardest question. Is this really a time to go right to the symptomatic issues or bailing out airlines when some are advocating maybe the real longterm solution now that theres billions on the table in congress would be to do the bigger things, bigger things, do universal health care. So i think this is going to be a process where youre going to find over and over again the answer is going to be all of the above. We have never seen this kind of economic pull back. You know, when theres a recession normally, you know, several percent lose their job, another percent lose some hours and wages, others fear they could be next, but large chunks of americans go on with daily life, continue to spend. Theres never been a moment in our lives, even our parents lives perhaps where everybody is pulling back, where youre seeing this dramatic pull back. Yes. And i think it will require a response thats unprecedented. Everything you said sounds right but it sounds a little vaguely broad. Im pressing you on the specific question. If youre a young person, say youre under 30, and dont have health care, and have punishing student debt, and youre asked to fund through tax dollars bailout of the Airline Industry that you dont ride that often, why is that a superior economic stimulus to pausing travel and dealing with some of the underlying insecurities in the market or is that the wrong way to frame the question . Well, i mean, i agree with you completely. Things that people like myself are pushing and i think youll see from progressive and democrats are the type of payment that goes not just to workers but unpaid care givers, seniors, to everyone. But you also have to know thats not going to be enough. Youre going to have to go to where the harm is and i think thats going to mean a moratorium on all evictions, not just for renters and homeowners but for small businesses. Theyre going to need to know they dont need to make that payment to get through. I think we need dramatic expansion of Unemployment Insurance, not the ordinary, but anyone losing hours, people in the economy need money, i think were going to have to, going to the interview with the governor, we have to give major money and resources to the governors and mayors who are on the frontlines, being told to get ventilators and respirators themselves, deal with funding people through evictions. Number one focus is on people. Just because youre a newsworthy guest, i want Gene Sperling on the democrats proposal to waive all current federal loan interest, mortgage, student debt, et cetera. Thats in the new schumer bill. Is that a good idea . I havent seen the details. As i said im for more, not less. I think youre going to have to have moratoriums on many types of payments and then youre going to have to think about whether you can actually give people the relief, not just the forbearance, but relief. We have to help a lot of people to get through. Should target it as well as possible. I also think this maybe is the time to give general relief, not just to workers, but to everybody to help them get through and hopefully fund money. I wouldnt do it for people well off, people making 100,000 and under, people struggling, yes, they need relief. We need to help them, small businesses, people lacking health care, people needing free coverage, people with housing, all that, all of the above. 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