Indefinitely. I will send them over when im ready and that will probably be soon. We want to see what they are willing to do and the manner in which they will do it. But we will not let them say this is just like clinton, fair it fair. Its not. Thats pelosis message to mcconnell saying that she doesnt think he is being fair and she is speaking, of course, to the jury foreman, essentially, in this trial battle. Then she has harbor words for the wouldbe defendant announcing her view that donald trump is unhinged by his coming judgment day. The speaker saying he is not only nervous, but the pros sect of facing a real trial with witnesses has defendant trump falling apart. Nancy pelosi is telling donald trump that he is rattled. The speaker of the house is basically going full mobb deep saying the president is shook. There is no such thing as halfway crooks and should crews end up running like they are supposed to. In pelosis argument these lines apply not only to Donald Trumps evident fear, but to the way his shook gop crew, if you will, is running from a real trial. With mcconnell moving to block witnesses that could detail what trump actually did to try to get his rivals investigated by a Foreign Government so he could cheat in an election, so he could subvert american democracy. This is real stuff. And gop leader, of course, met privately with President Trump at the white house about the strategy for this highstakes trial. Mcconnell saying it could start as soon as monday. Now, considering this rather telling fact tonight, the white house amidst all of this is still trying to figure out who exactly will defend President Trump in the most important trial of his life. And debating whether to deploy lawyers like president clinton did or bring in perhaps a boisterous group of Republican Congress persons to defend the president. Mcconnell is trying to tamp down any madefortv atmosphere as he focuses on trying to hold the senate juror votes. One white house insider is warning it could become a clown show trial if trump insists on deploying some of the his most extreme defenders into the spotlight. Thats debate that continues among republicans. But its also worth noting democrats are not completely united right now either on aspects of this. Some have been pushing pelosi to get on with it and send over these articles of impeachment against trump. Others backing down on that to emphasize it is ultimately her call. Would you like to see the speaker send the articles over now . Well, i think thats up to the speaker. Should the articles of impeachment be sent over to the senate . I fully respect the prerogative of the leader of the house to ensure that there is as fair a trial as we could possibly secure. Im joined by former federal prosecutor from the eastern and Southern District of new york Barrett Berger and california congressman Jackie Speier who serves on the intelligence and oversight committees. Good evening to you both. Congresswoman, i know you are coming fresh off this vote with a lot going on. I want to sbloe in on what we heard from Speaker Pelosi. What does it mean that she is publicly telegraphing that she sees donald trump as nervous and rattled and unable to deal with what many in your team and your side sbrn arguing would be a full and fair trial . Well, i think his words speak for themselves whether its on twitter or at his rallies. He becomes unhinged very quickly. So i believe that the speaker is trying to make sure that this trial moves forward in an appropriate way. And by postponing sending over the articles, we already have found out that ambassador bolten has signaled that he would testify before the senate. A very important person to have speak on this issue. And secondly the center for Public Integrity was able through a freedom of information act to get emails, even though they were grossly redacted. And then when a whistleblower provided the unredacted version we find out there is a huge coverup going on by members of the president s most intimate circle around this issue and that there is grave concern that the president has not listened to any of his experts as it relates to iran. He is using powers he doesnt have in terms of preventing people who are subpoenaed by congress from speaking. So there is a coverup like we have never seen as it relates to this impeachment. You make a really interesting point just about that timeline that basically in the pendency, if you will, of this period that pelosi has been holding the articles, you had that breakthrough Public Statement by john bolton, a key witness, and that might have gone differently if mcconnell had immediately gotten the articles and announced the witnesses. That time has been used. That said i want to give you the chance to hear and address the arguments he is making. Take a listen to Mitch Mcconnell. The House Democrats already spent 12 weeks undermining the institution of the presidency with a historically unfair and subjective impeachment and now for a sequel theyve come after the institution of the senate as well. If the speaker continues to refuse to take her own accusations to trial, the senate will move forward next week with the business of our people. And im told you are going to proceed to another vote. Is your final answer, as they say, your response to the senator and this, these clues we are getting now from, i think from both sides of the aisle there, that this could start as soon as next week . So, first of all, its pretty ironic that the majority leader in the senate is talking about institutionalization when he went out of his way to make sure that merit gare land did not even get a hearing in the senate when he was being proposed by president obama as a Supreme Court justice. What the speaker has done is hold them in an effort to try and get a fair trial. We did not get any of those we subpoenaed in the house. They should be called upon in the trial to testify. So im sure she is going to move swiftly, but she is going to move in a timely fashion to do whats right for the institution and for the country. She puts the democracy first. Congresswoman Jackie Speier, thank you again. I know you are moving on to another vote. I have a bit of breaking news to tell everyone about as you look on the screen. We now have this final tally here, this House Resolution to terminate, in the language of the resolution, and limit the president s powers to wage hostilities towards iran has passed. As you can see on the screen, we have the numbers there. 224194. That is a wide victory for Speaker Pelosi aligning democrats with this move to limit the president s powers in iran here just coming days after a period of both escalation and deescalation in that conflict. We have a property on this iran vote coming this hour. But right now as we continue reporting the other big story, the looming trial of the president , another expert, buzzfeed journalist hayes brown has been tracking this with us. Barrett is also with us. Hayes, when you look at the situation, it is rather striking to see the signs of Mitch Mcconnell having protested that he doesnt even want the darn thing. Right. How can there be leverage in what i do not want . Also getting a little impatient and saying get it over, we need to deal with this. He met with the president yesterday who wants to deal with it, shook or not, and he is saying, look, if you dont give it to me i am doing business next week, as though thats a threat to pelosi. He knows good and well any move to dismiss the trial before it happens is not going to fly with the moderate members, the ones whose votes he needs to keep during the trial once it starts. A majority of senators can vote to do basically anything during the senate trial. You dont need a 60 vote super majority like you do for most legislation in the senate. He knows he has to keep the moderates happy. He has to make sure that there is a trial, that it has the appearance of being fair, which is why he has had strategy of moving forward with what he is calling the clinton model of deciding on witnesses later. He is trying to kick that can down the road so he doesnt have to worry about his members taking crucial votes too soon, hopefully trying to block it at all. He doesnt want to have to have suzcollins, et cetera, have to vote on does john bolton have to testify. Right. We are going to dig into that with what i mentioned. We have this incredible panel of senators tonight who faced these questions in the clinton case. We are also obviously going to have to get into the Lindsey Graham of it all. Talking about people with different views. Here is Lindsey Graham today on all of this. If she doesnt deliver the articles of impeachment, my goal is to do it without her and get this thing done. How do you move forward with a senate trial without the articles of impeachment . You would have to change the rules. He is not going to be able to change the rules is the thing. Josh holly also said we would have to dismiss the trial if we dont get the articles of impeachment soon. To do that you do need 60 or 67 votes to actually get the rules to change. There is nowhere near that level of support for Lindsey Graham or josh holly. Senator mcconnell signed on to hollys proposal today saying if we dont get the articles by the 12th we are going to move to miss disthe case. But they are not going to actually be able to do that. Its political posturing at this point. Lindsey graham can say that all he wants, but there is going to be a trial. At some point depending what the package looks like, depending on what mcconnell has gathered his 53 republican votes to set up, there probably be a chance for democrats to force a vote on whether or not witnesses actually have to testify. You have done important trials, eastern district, as i remind folks, is one of the these places where you go after gangsters, el chapo, terrorists. Short question and then a longer one. When you have a trial about a week or two away, do you usually have the lawyers doing the oral argument set . Usually you have your trial team set. Ill tell you, you dont always have your evidence set. But you usually know who is arguing the darn case. Yeah. This is the about biggebigge Donald Trumps life. His supporters find it exciting and his detractors find it incredibly disorganized, both on a matter of state, the clumsiness of rapiran, or his o case. Let me read the debates still going on, trumps defense team will include the white house council, jay sekulow remains the lawyer. But it says the decisions been made on alan dershowitz, a potentially controversial pick who has been in talks with trump about joining the team and other debates about whether you bring in house members or not. What does to tell you that they havent finalized that . I think . An internal struggle of a lot of defense teams. Even in a regular criminal trial. This is why defendants recall not always the best judges of who the attorney is that they should have representing them. Like the president , some defendants will say i want the aggressive pit bull out there thats going to challenge every single thing and fight everything to the death. That may not always be the best approach. Sometimes having a more measured, more scholarly approach can actually go further for a defendant. So sometimes defendants dont necessarily know what at least either their jury or here the public is going to wouldnt to see from him. Lets dig into why this is. Look at what mike lee did yesterday. A conservative republican. No one is suggesting he is withdrawing his membership in the apartment or endorsement of donald trump. He upended, and people at the white house very upset, rattled to use the term of the day, over him simply saying in public this is the worst military briefing i ever got. Li likewise, as they go into the trial, if one or two or three republican senators get anywhere near that language let alone voting to try to remove the president from office, that could really cut into him in a way that shows why mcconnell is concerned about holding every vote, whereas donald trump as always, or as we say in the newsroom, duh, is concerned about programming a reality show. Do you think those goals are at odds . Shoit shows donald trump sho not presume to know everything about his jury. Its not a jury he has necessarily in his pocket for every single vote. He may have a sense of what the outcome of the trial will be. The senators are not ones that are just going to go along, you know, hook, line, and sinker. They may push on things. Mig mitt romney may want to hear from wbss. Other senators may want to make sure this looks like a fair trial and not a sham trial here. But i dont think anyone should presume all of these senators are abouting it to fall into line here. I completely agree with that. I think that the president , he is trying to go for a low road approach versus mcconnell who wants a high road approach. He wants to defend the dignity of the senate, saying there is no circus in play here. He is weary of having jim jordan or doug collins in there. During the impeachment hearings most of the time the members of the minority were not speaking to the people in the room. They were speaking to fox news. They were speaking out to the audience. And rallying around these conspiracy theories that the president believes. They were speaking to the president himself. Inside a Senate Impeachment trial its going to be trying to convince the senators sitting there that, yes, this is a time that we do not want to remove the president. We want to vote for an acquittal. To keep them in line, having someone act as a fire brand on the senate floor, thats got to like sting some of these people who have been here for a really long time at this point. Exactly. May undercut the very goal you are ostensibly seeking. Thanks for joining me. We have a big show. Coming up, Congress Taking this historic vote that we reported moments ago limiting Donald Trumps war powers against iran. We will get into that. Tonight something you literally wont see anywhere else. We have gathered a panel to go inside Donald Trumps trial. Six senators who were jurors in the historic trial of president clinton offering their perspective on everything, including their old colleague you Mitch Mcconnell, how the majority of the party can lose control in the middle of this unpredictable process. Our exclusive panel ahead on beet beet. R exclusive panel ahen beet beet. Whatever happens out there today, remember, you have the hilton app. Will the hilton app help us pick the starters . Great question, no. But it can help you pick your room from the floor plan. Can the hilton app help us score . You know, its not that kind of thing, but you can score free wifi. 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Then the senates top democrat endorsed bushs war along with another democrat who would rise to that position today. I will vote to give the president the authority he needs. Saddam hussein left unfettered will at some point create such a danger to our lives. For the worlds sake, we must confront Saddam Hussein. We cannot afford to let him be. And some of the Democratic Partys most visible leaders backed the 2003 iraq war. Any vote that might lead to war should be hard, but i cast it with conviction. In the postseptember 11th world the unrestrained threat of weapons of mass destruction in the hands of Saddam Hussein is unacceptable. We say yes, mr. President , you have that power to go to war. Yes, mr. President. Now, when you look through the history row and echos in this iran conflict today many progressive democrats oppose the war from the start. In fact, about 58 of democrats in the senate backed the iraq war but a majority of democrats in the more liberal house opposed it, including nancy pelosi. It is far better to exercise your vote on behalf of saving lives. Our moral authority will be shot. We are leading to international anarchy. Any country at anytime for any reason can attack another country. This resolution is breathtaking. Breathtaking. The president of the United States says stay the course. Stay the course . I dont think so, mr. President. Its time to face the facts. Its the precious blood of the men and women who wear the uniform of these United States. That blood may flow in the streets of iraq. We may have been in the minority today, but i have no doubt that we are representing the vast majority of the people. Many backing caution today argue the majority of citizens have typically opposed these kind of neoconservative escalations in the middle east and its the politicians who are now catching up. I want to turn to one of our experts in washington and on the democratic caucus, juanita toliver. When we come back in 30 seconds. And we return with juanita toliver. You look at all of that history, you see some of the same people, but a very Different Democratic Party when it comes to the middle east. How do you explain it . Vastly different. Look, i think the Democratic Party is now embodying a more progressive, liberal move towards the left. So what were seeing here is a progressive caucus within the democrats. That is, more authority and more power to push things forward, push processes forward, legislation forward, and more responsive to what voters are aware of in this moment in time, which is very different from what it was in 2002. One of the people we just saw there, john kerry, who went on to a Foreign Policy role in the obama administration, on iran was on the side of diplomacy, of course. He joined our colleague lawrence odonnell. Look what he said about all of this. It was always an option. Its been an option through several administrations but people made a judgment that the cost of doing so was not going to change the dynamic sufficiently that it was worth that cost because of the simple reason that weve already seen. Within 24 hours a new general is appointed. The other side of this beyond, of course, the intramural of the Democratic Party is a president in donald trump who is seems publicly, in other words i am not saying this as criticism, i am just quoting him, obsessed with anything obama administrati obama did he has to undo and vice versa. He cant pebear it at all. Thats one of the motivating forces behind his actions, whether its rolling back regulation on climate change, undoing the Iran Nuclear Deal that was in place. And so his motivation here is let me rip apart whatever obama did without considering the repercussions, the negative impact on the American Public and potentially the american lives and safety that will be put at risk. On the politics of this i am curious what you think about the house moving right now, we just reported tonight, to hold this vote. This is a vote for caution, for diplomacy, or against hawkishness. You could call it all those things. Its not a vote they obviously had to take. We showed how in the past they avoided, delayed these votes or often the political pressure on both parties was to at least appear more hawkish. And so im curious what you think of that and whether the fact is that the parties and particularly some of those democrats overestimated the American Publics appetite for hawkishness. Is it that they were always wrong on the political side of this or have we seen the nation with the ravages of iraq also move in the public . Thats exactly right. The ravages of iraq. Its been 18 years. Honestly, we have now an American Public saying enough is enough. We need justification. We need clear understanding of why a president who is acting at his own whims is escalating issues in an unstable territory and taking measures to destabilize it further. The American Public is Holding Congress accountable and looking to trump for a clear explanation of what he, why he did what he did, and after hearing democrats and republicans come away from that briefing yesterday and say that was ridiculous, it was the worst briefing on military action that weve seen says a lot. Yeah. And thats striking with the last point i want to mention which viewers can see on the screen the new polling that a majority of americans dont think that killing this iranian general, who everyone in both administrations, obama and trump agree was a bad guy. They killed a bad guy. But the majority of the public doesnt think that, without a strategy and without larger diplomacy, makes america safer, which is a striking thing even in a world where they feel there is it so much bluster, so much rhetoric, so much risk of jing owism. Juanita toliver, thank you for joining us. Coming up, only on the beat with ari melber we get into trumps impeachment trial with things you need know from people no know it better than anyone. Senators who cast a vote in the clinton trial. Thats next. Dewald dewald or make me feel like im not really there. Talk to your doctor, and call 8442342424. Before discovering nexium 24hr to treat her frequent heartburn, marie could only imagine enjoying freshly squeezed orange juice. Now no fruit is forbidden. Nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts for allday, allnight protection. Can you imagine 24 hours without heartburn . Liberty mutual customizes your Car Insurance, so you only pay forn. What you need. I wish i could shake your hand. 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At xfinity, were here to make life simple. Easy. Awesome. So come ask, shop, discover at your local xfinity store today. Putting President Trump on trial with Mitch Mcconnell touting a plan with similar rules to the 1999 clinton impeachment trial providing that there were opening arguments before any decisions about calling witnesses. Its true that trial did use Traditional Senate rules that delay the debate over witnesses until during the trial, but democrats stress there is no logic in applying the clinton precedents unfairly noting that before those trial votes all the key clinton witnesses had already testified under oath while these days many trump aides have been defying such requests. If we were going to have the clinton precedent apply here, all of these witnesses who testify even before the trial begins. Mitchell mitch is being selective in application of the clinton precedent. This is one of several highstakes battles over the rules from 21 years ago as seemingly ancient time when that trial began with an agreement on procedures. That was so bipartisan it was unanimous. When members of the president s own party litsized him publicly, a contrast of foreign help with his campaign by republicans. Now, what would those senators think on the eve of this first impeachment trial since then . It would be striking to get their perspective, especially since some of their former colleagues are leading trumps defense in the Upper Chamber. Well, we have Something Special tonight on that. Right now, and you wont see it anywhere else on tv, six people who served as Senate Jurors during the clinton impeachment who committed to be impartial and seriously wrecknd with clintons conduct, many advocating formal sen shur. Such behavior is not just inappropriate. It is immoral. The question now is a senate trial on impeachment which is very serious and very sobering. I came into this trial several weeks ago and took an oath to be impartial and i meant it because i am very angry at the president for his inappropriate behavior. Someone wants to censure the president for wrongdoing, which is clearly guilty of. I think he would have bipartisan support for it. We will hear in a moment from this special group of panelists. We are convening this discussion because the trial about to begin is not only about the president. Its about the senate. That was true in the 1868 john son impeachment after the civil war. And in 1999 as the Upper Chamber tried to rise above politics in general. The senate of that era was overwhelmingly male and white. The number of women has since tripled. We extended veterans to that 1999 class for that tonights discussion. Those joining us held up their hands and took that oath to be impartial. We have started on an approach that is bipartisan. We have all listened to hours and hours from the house managers and the president s counsel. We could debate and argue this until hell freezes over and the ultimate answer, the result would be the same thing. Thats not to say we are two ships passing in the night. That were not listening to each other. We are. I think whats happening here is too important to be done in private. He did things that were very wrong, but i do not believe it met the constitutional required standard for removal. Joining us for this special segment are each of the former Democratic Senators you just saw, max bacchus of montana, buy rin dorgan, johnboro, richard brian, kent conrad and someone many remember as an outspoken critical democrat of bill clinton during the impeachment Joe Lieberman of connecticut. Good evening to all of you. Thanks for doing this. Thank you. I want to say that nobody looks any different than they did 21 years ago. My lord. I thought democrats didnt lie. Boy, thats pretty hash. Harsh. Only among friends. In good spirits. We want to get into this in depth. I propose beginning with a bite of bit of a lightning round to go through the esteemed panel here. Starting with a question that is a one word to or one sentence answer to each of you. Who do you think is the most vital witness, the most important witness in this ukraine scandal that the senate should hear from in the trial . Lets go around the horn starting with senator bacchus. Well, good to hear from john bolton. Frankly, i dont know if we will hear from anybody. I would love to find out whats inside the mind of mr. Giuliani. I think every member of the senate would benefit from it. I mean, whoever heard of a trial without witnesses . I think mulvaney and bolton are absolutely essential. If you get 51 votes, they will be called. Senator lieberman . You know what . I go with any one of the choices mentioned up until now. They would all be helpful. Senator conrad . Yeah, thats a good roster we have listed. I would especially like to hear from giuliani and mulvaney. Senator brian . I agree. Id like to hear from mulvaney first. But giuliani clear will i is the wild man in this scenario. Another wiquick one. Senator mcconnell describes the trial that you all participated in as his template thus far. Is that true and fair in your view . Senator bacchus . Its somewhat true. The rules on whether or not to call witnesses was postponed back then, as mcconnell wants to doed today. There is no relationship at all. Ken starr for three and a half years investigated everything. He got the documents. He got the witnesses. All of that was presented at the start of the trial. Donald trump did exactly the opposite. He withheld everything, including witnesses. Well, i mean, the two leaders need to sit down in a room, lock out the door, put out a legal pad on the table and not leave until they work out an agreement. Thats what they did back in the clinton trial and it worked very well with 1000 vote. Well, he is absolutely right. An impeachment trial is inherently partisan. The framers of the constitution understood that. They wrote that in the federalist papers. We knew pretty much what the results were going to be in 1999 just like people think they know what the results will be this year. We managed to do something that probably was going to have a partisan result in a nonpartisan way, and i think the key to it was the relationship between senator lott and senator dashl. We met in the old senate chamber. I never forget it. We were able to Reach Agreement as others have said on a unanimous basis on what the rules would be with the trial. Of course, there is a huge difference because we did have witnesses. The witnesses, including monica lewinsky, testified on tape. That was played before members. Just to add a footnote, i think my colleagues will recall we did it in the old senate chambers. What was interesting to me phil graham, who represents a very conservative point of view, outlined the proposal. Ted kennedy, on the other side of the political spectrum, said, and i quote, i think were at third base. And there after that as has been discussed by my colleagues we reached a unanimous decision. This is in no way the same situation. Totally different in my view. Full display of witnesses in the house and then we had the videotaping, which many of us spent a lot of time listening to that. So we had the benefit of witness input before any of the proceedings began. You go to the well of the senate and there is a giant book, and you sign, you pledge that you are going to do impartial justice. So senators who have already announced what they are going to do, i mean, i am taken aback when mcconnell says he is working with the white house on how they are going to present their case. He is supposed to be a juror. He is not supposed to take a side. He is going to have to pledge to do impartial justice. You mentioned that precedent of going for something above partisanship. Each of you, we were looking back at the records, dealt with this publicly committed to impartiality and many of you formally critical in public of the president who happened to be in your party. Senator Joe Lieberman from that period. Was there ever a time in the last five weeks in which you moved close to the idea of conviction . I did, and it surprised me. I mean, look, every time i have been forced to go into the facts of this case, i get repulsed and i get troubled and torn up. Beginning with senator lieberman, why was it important for you to air that out in public as a juror and not just say, well, if it was the person in my party, then its all good . Yeah. Well, i felt i had that responsibility. I had, like everybody, felt repulsed by what president clinton had done. But then i went back to my responsibility under the constitution in an impeachment trial and it seemed to me that the founders expected impeachment to happen very rarely in American History because the centerpiece of the system they were setting up was elections. And it would have to be a very extreme case where you allowed congress to overturn an election before another election and take the power away from the people. Senator bryant, you backed censuring president clinton along with others here. How do you contrast that to republican senators who arent backing censuring trump, several said they have made up their minds, he cant do anything wrong . I think the big thing, none of us as democrats had drunk the koolaid. Clearly, the president s conduct was reprehensible. We all spoke out against it. The real issue was whether his conduct justified a conviction, a removal from office, and i spent a fair amount of time looking at the debates and the constitutional convention. For me the question was did his conduct rise to a level where he was to be removed from office. His conduct was reprehensible, as i have said. I concluded it was not. And i am very comfortable with that vote today. How different it is today when the republicans have locked step with the president and dont think anything he did was even inappropriate. You say how different it is today. Taking a look at someone many much you know in the senate today, Lindsey Graham. In every trial that there has been in the senate regarding impeachment witnesses were called. I am not going to support witnesses being called for by the president. I am not going to support witnesses being called for by senator schumer. We need witnesses, ladies and gentlemen, to clarify who said what, who is being honest, who is not. I am not interested in any witnesses. This thing is a sham, a croc. I dont want to legitimize it. I want to get it over with. I think thats one of the problems that this particular trial is facing when you have members of the senate who declared what the verdict is before theyve heard the trial. Anyone else . Well, you know, i dont think anybody can explain id like to. On the question on the table what happened to Lindsey Graham . Well, i cant explain it. I dont think anybody can explain what happened to Lindsey Graham. Lindsey has been a friend. Boy, you look at that and you say how on earth do you get from this place to that place . Lins is i was a good friend. He had a mind change operation. I mean, it is unbelievable for me to watch lindsey now because i remember distinctly lindsey saying you cant have a trial without witnesses. We never heard of a trial without witnesses. If you want to get to the truth, you have got to have witnesses. Now he says we dont need any witnesses. Wow. That is a flipflop of all time. I have to say its fascinating to hear all of you. I appreciate you reconvening. I would be remiss if i didnt note, in fairness and in thanks, six senators and there was no filibuster. Very good. You are a good presiding officer. Weve lost our way. Weve lost our way. Or maybe you are all out of practice. On tv we filibuster plenty. I really appreciate it. I know you all have busy schedules and you coordinated with each other to join us on this special discussion. A lot of food for thought for people around the country. Thanks to each of you. Thank you. Great discussion. When we come back, donald trump weighing in on this witness debate himself and his strategy relating to john bolton. So you can bring your vision to life and save in more ways than one. For small prices, you can build big dreams, spend less, get way more. Shop everything home at wayfair. Com wheyou want relief. Fast. Only thermacare ultra pain relieving cream has 4 active ingredients to fight pain 4 different ways. Get powerful relief today, with thermacare. 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We are seeing an echo of Donald Trumps bluffs like he used in the Mueller Probe where he talked tough about being open to testimony and folded. He never faced mueller. Here is democratic senator chris murphy on bolton. If you guys hold a vote to say call john bolton, you may see republican senators act unpredictably or side with you. Do you think there is a realistic chance of that . I do think there is a realistic chance of that. And its because ultimately republican senators, many of them are up for reelection, are answerable to their constituents. You know, you may think, well, our, you know, regular voters out there really plugged into the process of impeachment . I think they are. Are they plugged in . Well, it doesnt mean that every Single Person is tracking every single witness. As we just saw from some of the senators we spoke to, john bolton looms a conservative republican with serious credentials who apparently donald trump is afraid of. Well be right back. R 14. 99. 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Many we learn about after were known to their friends and family but not to the wider world because they were doing what so many Public Servants do every job, doing their job without seek ago tension. One did happen to be more widely known. Deputy sandeep recently made history as the first sikh deputy to wear his traditional articles of faith while on the job which drew some headlines in 2015. A head turns but those head turns is good forme and i say, hey, how are you . You have a question . I have more confidence now that my identity is complete. To be a Harris County deputy. He used his Vacation Time to bring supplies to victims of hurricane harvey. He was conducting a routine traffic stop in september when shot from behind in the head killed in an ambushstyle attack. A male suspect exited the vehicle armed with a pistol and in a coldblooded manner ambush style shot him from behind. Thousands attended his funeral. Eulogies remembering him as an everyday hero who became a trail blazer by staying committed to his faith and like many officers not only worked to protect Public Safety but was remembered for what youll see here. Scenes where he was engaging everyone in the community. Hes going to be a cop. Im not going to get them off. Yes. Yay highfive. Give me a hug. Ah, so sweet. Im joined by a friend of deputy dalaiwals family. Good evening to you. What do you remember about this officer . What should we be thinking about looking at his tragic death this year . Good evening. I actually think that this negative s alone really highlights and underscores the man that he is and was to us in the community and in greater houston, as well, so i think that if hes remembered as the selfless servant that he has been to us, that would be the most touching thing that could be left behind for his legacy. Stay with me. I want to bring in marsha who is ceo of the national Law EnforcementOfficers Memorial Fund which does this work, compiles this and reports this data every year. I should mention we worked with your organization on this story in prior years. What is on your mind when you look at this . His service, his sacrifice will not be forgotten. We have seen over 128 deaths in 2019. As of today that number rose to as of december 31st rose to 130. And although those numbers are down somewhat, 18 , 130 deaths in one year is tragic. Tragic for a profession that chooses to wake up every morning to owe tech our safety. Manpreet, any other thoughts from you, the Sikh Community and all the faces of the officers and the fact that in its best sense a public servant, Police Officers are often drawn from the entire community and keeping that in mind which can get lost sometimes when you look at individual incidents. Thats exactly right. I think what Deputy Dhaliwals death represents, he still gave his life in the line of duty protecting citizen. Something to keep in mind and can get lost in daily life, in daily news, Manpreet Singh and ma marcia ferranto, we appreciate you both. Thank you. Thank you. To learn more about the officers you see here as well as the work of this national Law EnforcementOfficers Memorial Fund we invite you to go to nleomf, nleomf. Org. My thanks to them for working with us to cover a very important topic year in and year out and as always, our condolences to the families and communities left behind by these officers. That does it for us. Ill be back tomorrow at 6 00 p. M. Eastern. Hardball with Chris Matthews is up next. Its not supposed to be that way. Lets play hardball. Good evening, im Chris Matthews from washington. The house of representatives voted to agree with that old Willie Nelson song, its not supposed to be that way. Within the past hour the house sent a message to the president , he cant do anything he wants whenever he wants. The house passed a nonbinding resolution largely along party lines that asserts that President Trump does not have the Unchecked Authority to take military action. This comes as the Trump Administration has argued that the president has