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President s desperation. I want to put this in the appropriate context right now for every one. Donald trump failed. Completely and totally failed to deliver on his Signature Campaign promise of building a wall and mexico paying for it. We all remember that. Now hes in a new phase trying to do anything to get the wall paid for. Raiding billions of dollars from the u. S. Military for this construction. Heres the news. Donald trump diverting 3. 6 billion today that was already designated for u. S. Military Construction Projects in order to do things that he can argue will amount to wall. This delays by one count 127 projects across the u. S. And around the world. Lets be clear. Donald trump promised over and over mexico would pay for this wall. Now, the military that he claims to love so much, hes overriding their judgments and plans to pay for it. I will build a great, great wall on our southern boardrder i will have plex kmexico pay. The pentagon is cancelling 3. 6 billion in military projects to fund for trumps boarder wall. Mexicos paying for the wall. Okay. The pentagon says it will redirect 3. 6 billion in military construction money to pay for the wall that the president always said mexico would pay for. Theyll pay. In one form or another. They may even write us a check. This does allow President Trump to say hes working on his border wall as he runs for reelection. This all started as a long shot campaign to get mexico to fund our infrastructure. It morphed into that Government Shutdown of legal balts ttles. We are dealing with an effort thats all about helping donald trump save face and claim theres problem. Hes even admitting to aides that a failure to get this wall funded and paid for and built in part would be a let down to his supporters and embarrassing defeat. Just take that in. Thats not a concern that americans are footing the bill or how this affects the military which is were reporting. That is selfserving concerns for trump about the optics of defeat. The wall is being built. Its going up rapidly. Most you have have been able to see were building a very large sections of wall. Thats not true either which is why theres this desperate rush to find new funds. They have not built a single mile of new wall. Theyve only been replacing existing parts. Thats a lot to take in and its obviously embarrassing for trump. Thats why hes working to do anything other than let people remember that he failed. Theres no new wall. Mexico didnt pay for it and on and on it goes. Thats the fact check portion of the news tonight. Were not going to stop there because these immigration policies are obviously about much more than campaign posturing. They are about peoples lives. As donald trump goes on this crusade of optics, were learning more about the way hes using his authority as commander in chief. The way that children are still being separated from their parents. Theres a new internal review out that i want you to see. It found these separated children are showing an exhibiting high mental stress. They are more likely to feel anxiety and abandonment than children who came to the u. S. All alone. They are documented physical ailments because many of these Young Children under the stress of these Trump Administration policies cant process what they are going through. One worker explaining you get a lot of my chest hurts even though everything is fine medically. There are heartbreaking accounts like this one. A boy described as being around 7 or 8 was given no explanation as to why he was separated from his father. A Mental Health worker explained he was under the delusion his fall had been killed and he believed he would also be killed. These are just some of the accounts that are dribbling out. These are children. We know many of them will be living with this for the rest of their lives and the aftershocks and the ptsd. This something donald trump has done and accomplished on immigration. Traumatizing children while failing to get mexico to pay for the border wall while also shifting burdens over to the u. S. Military. I want to speak to the only two panelists but you out rank me. Ill go to you first. What is your view of this both in the way the government should run . You have Extensive Service in the government and the military piece. Is it good for the u. S. Military to have policy rerouted like this . Just at face value these m l military construction budgets are fought out over five years. To get the first year of funding for what is always a multiyear project. This is an incredibly inefficient way to go about managing the u. S. Armed forces, a giant enterprise. More importantly having studied American Government, taught American Government and served at the highest levels for better part of a decade in washington, we have never seen anything like this. Its unconstitutional to divert money in this manner. Maria. When he says its uninstitutiu unconstitutioned i used to work on appropriations and it disrupts exactly where its going but it circumvents congresss power of purse. Its talking about the balance of authority and recognizing that we have this balance of authority on purpose. Its written into the constitution. Hes thumbing his nose at it. When you were talking about the president saying that family separation is his hallmark of immigration policy, its not alone. Hes also preventing individuals from getting flu shots so so if theres a flu outbreak, we had two children die under this administration. Hes reventing the outbreak of mumps. Its such a hostile environment to a country that created asylum and refugee laws. This is antiamerican, unpatriotic. We have demanded federal investigations. Not just on his diversion of 3. 6 billion of defense to go towards a wall that the american of americans dont want but also with the fact of what hes doing on his hands when it comes to these questionable his questioning authority when it comes to how hes treating these children. Elenore. I think hell get away with it with the blessing of the Supreme Court. Hes acting under the guise of the more than oremergency order through this year. Hes moving money around with the blessing of the secretary of defense and the signals coming out of the Supreme Court in an earlier case indicate that they approve or they favor by 54 margin executive power and hes likely to get away with this which i think is most horrifying part of it. President s in the past they have war on poverty, a war on drugs. This president is conducting a war on immigration. He thinks its going to be or he knows its going to be popular among the segment of the population that he needs for his reelection and hes determined to get that wall built and he will stretch his powers as far as they will go and hes not getting much opposition. Usually when you monkey with congressional projects that have members of congress and senator who is are using them to demonstrate to their constituents why they are important in washington, ive noticed so far its only democrat who is have been complaining. Im cynical enough to wonder if they cherry picked the projects and know they will only get objections from the two Democratic Senators of virginia or Chuck Schumer who is come pl complaining about west point on the list. Im waiting for the outcry. We havent seen it yet this this president. Probably wont see it this time either. I think it goes to something thats very serious, general, even if people are at risk of becoming inured to it which is you have a president who is willing to run rod shot over negotiated and thought out military civil arrangements which is probably not good long term for the body politic. I want to play jim mattis on msnbc today. Take a look. I dont know how i could have spoken more loudly to where i stand to what i put in my letter of resignation and quitting a job when i had not completed it two years in. General, widening out, how concerned are you about the relationship between this president and what we just saw there. Obviously within reason their job is to stay out of any of these public debates and let congress and the executive branch work out funding and go forward. We see things that test how both the enlisted speak out about things that dont appear to be a positive and fair balancing of how the political tear should run in a democracy. They do follow all legal ordsers from the commander in chief. I think we actually in the short run need to be grateful we have secretary mark esper, now the secretary of defense. He did approve this, what i believe to be an illegal act of reprogramming money. I think as a general statement so far the pentagon has remained nonpolitical. To include with this wonderful man, secretary jim mattis but we need to worry about the armed forces a neutral factor to defend the american people, not a play thing of the president of the United States. Spoken clearly. I have to let the general go. Im going to get you back in maria. General, thank you for your time tonight and speaking on this topic. I appreciate it. Good to be with you. My other panelists stay as we bring in one other thing that we absolutely had to get to. This trump controversy that is being called sharpie gate. It begins this very morning with donald trump speaking to reporters about an admittedly serious topic holding up a poster. So far so good. Then people noticed because its a public press event Something Weird that you see on the map. It appeared someone drew on an extra part to make it appear as if alabama might also be in the storms path which it wasnt. You see it right here. This is the important part because that extra line which appears to be drawn in a sharpie marker. Notice it doesnt match the underlying white line used for the path of the storm and the context is as petty as it is embarrassing because pefs hhe w hammered for an error of his own making which he claimed might hit alabama which was so flatly wrong, there was no way to defend it. Government forecasters had to come out and correct their own supervisor, the president. Who altered the map . Why did they use a black sharpie instead of a white line that might look more realistic . I cant tell you we know at this time but i can give you the evidence. We no the president has an affinity for the sharpie marker. He uses them to sign official government documents. He uses them for notes before he speaks publicly and he uses them even to write thickly worded angry notes to reporters and columnist even underlying the words. You see racist a note he sent to the Washington Post jonathan capehart. He likes sharpies so much it came up as a topic in an interview he did. Thats a sharpie. I say this writes much better and this costs almost nothing as the pen is extremely expensive. I called up the folks at sharpie and i said do me a favor, can you make the pen in black, make it look rich. They said we can put your signature on. Thats your signature right there. This costs practically nothing and the other one was immensely expensive and you give them out. More important than anything it writes well so it works out good. I dont want to make this a commercial for sharpie but its a commercial on saving money too. I dont know. I dont know. Theres so much there. There are many problems. Donald trump touting he did try to reach out the folks at sharpie to get a personalize pen. Also youre the president. Any way, what is serious here when you look at the footage is whether that extra looping line was drawn by the president of the United States in a lie to defend a gaffe he made that did have security implications to make up for it. It almost looked like a sharpie. I dont know. I dont know. I dont know. Elenore, the thing is i want to be very clear. The serious part is the error he made which the Weather Service had to correct and weve been covering that. The ridiculous part is the sharpie gate. What do you make of this very 2019 story . I want to laugh but something inside is telling me, do not laugh. He mucked with a Weather Report that had real consequences for people in the path of that storm who are on his twitter account. Who take every word he says seriously and alabama is a state that went for him by humongous number of points but why would he want to include alabama. Theres no political reason. I think he just wasnt paying attention or he doesnt know his geography and he said it and he cannot admit any kind of mistake even an hon mest mistake. H hes now doubling and tripling and kwquadrupling. Whatever they do in gymnastics. You almost get the impression this is someone who does a lot of cross word puzzle in pen. I dont think so. Maria. Download the app. The biggest challenge is he is potentially diverting much needed resources to the actual victims not only also creating potential chaos for people in alabama. Legally, by law, when you misrepresent Weather Reports, thats a crime. I wonder if the democrats might find grounds for impeachment since he kept repeating it over and over. I gist. I think the challenge is he cant admit when hes wrong and when you have leadership, you want to be able to admit when youre wrong so when you make mistake, people take your confidence in saying that was an error. I had a slip of the tongue but this is what we need to make sure that the resources are going to florida. That they are going to North Carolina and our prayers are with the people from the bahamas. He doesnt have the grace to do that. This also goes to something we know from being practiced in reporting and journalism which is this is what were seeing. This is the clumsy public effort with the sharpie. How many times are serious security pieces being compromised in private settings. I have one more question about this. Its a quick one. All right. Did the black sharpie fool you at any point or did it look different enough from the white line that you were not taken in . You know, i wasnt paying that close but if you get close to the Television Screen and you look at it, you can see its an obvious addition. The press pointed it out so quickly that i felt i discovered it myself. Well, sometimes people in office, in all parts humiliate themselves. This may be one of those times. The fact check didnt require a ton of time or effort as long as you could see. Thank you for tabckling the big and the petty issues tonight. We appreciate it. Thank you. We have a lot in the show. Mike pence on why he wasnt out of his way 180 miles to drop a dime at the trump hotel. House democrats exploring now three roads to impeachment with this new illegal payment probe. Well explain that story. Stormi daniels telling Congress Bring it on. 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Quote, at no time did trump direct him to stay at his ireland resort. What is this all about . Pence and his attempt plunked down taxpayer money to stay at trumps resort which was 180 miles away from the government meetings he had in dublin. It may not have been a direct order. Nobody said it was the who cares. Thats not the point. The point is how these things work. How your money is being misspent and going into trumps pocket and how persuasion in this trump cabinet and Trump Administration works. Michael cohen described it well. He doesnt give you questions. He doesnt give you orders. He speaks in a code. I understand the code because ive been around him for a decade. Its your impression that others who work for him understand the code as well . Most people, yes. Most people. The Judiciary Committee is on this as a real issue investigating trumps push to host the g7 summit at another one of his properties. Personal financial interests shaping decisions about u. S. Government activities according to those investigators. Thats what they want to probe. This is not okay. Its not a good use of the u. S. Treasury. Here is part of why donald trump could be steering all of this money so desperately, so brazenly, so publicly. Some of trumps properties are bleedsing profits. We have seen the names come down in hotels. At the doral resort, heavy knew h revenue has fallen by 69 . 24 trump cabinet officials have spent time or money there. It goes back to donald trump. He runs the newsletter tracking these statistics. Were also joined by david corn. Good to have you both here. Why does this matter. The president is profiting from the presidency. We dont know where his interests lie. Hes given up his salary. At the same point hes reported 81 million in income from the trump hotel d. C. In the past two years. Thats money thats come from foreign governments, special interests, lobbyists, supporters, from congressmen. All sorts of interests in d. C. You mention all those people. Well put up some of the republican senators. They can go where they want. It shows how business is done. 26, according to your newsletter just spotted. We dont know how many more have been there and not been spotted. The New York Times piece on this today is chocked full of details. Its getting a lot of heat. I know a lot is a credit to your work. How did you get involved and interested in tracking this . I was at the trump hotel for its soft opening covering it more from a travel angle and it was clear this would not be another normal luxury hotel in d. C. As i was reporting an article, i started getting curious if we could see who was going there. People had these fears about the hotel and who would be spending money there. It was during the brief rain of anthony scaramucci. Its fascinating because so many different projects in a activism and information has come out of this era. Most hotels dont have this revenue streak. I had been a travel writer for 15 years. You would mingle with the owner. There would be champagne. It was campaign and struck me as interesting. Its something that needed to get covered in depth. This is little known. David also wrote for condi nas traveler. He insisted filing his travel articles about russia. About four or five they said you have to go somewhere else or mover on. It got a little dangerous. Thats a joke. Since were on the news, its not fact. My hats go off to zach. I think its fascinating piece of work. I can add to what zach says and i salute his work. I rely on his work at times. Ive had several meetings with a republican lobbyist comes to town and wants to meet where, but at the bar at trump hotel. Its place to tbe seen and if yu get lucky enough to gain access to trump, whats the first thing you want to say to him . Mr. President , im staying at your hotel. Its wonderful. That sounds kind of like schmoozy but theres a real serious component in that we know a million dollar, maybe more from foreign sources have come into the trump hotel. Could be a lot more because these numbers are not readily made available. Its a private entity. We know when he thinks about the world, he thinks the way snoop dogg thinks. You know what im referring to, ari. I do. Money on my mind. I love a good snoop dogg jinx. I want to you about the other thing. Its not the theme of tonights broadcast but the state of play. This stuff is not normal. Its not okay. Its not the way the government is supposed to work. For that thought experience imagine Loretta Lynch into obamas private business if he reopened his private law firm or had a business interest while she was his attorney general. Thats happening right this week and isnt nearly the biggest scandal this week. Here is donald trump responding to the pence stuff as well as a. G. Barr putting 30k into a planned party at the trump property. I had no involvement other than its a great place. I dont suggest anything. I dont suggest it nor did i with the attorney general. I never spoke to the attorney general. I have a lot of hotels because they are the best. The market said they are not the best. A lot of them are not doing well. Attorney general bill barr just oversaw what happened with the Mueller Report that was investigating donald trump and may be put in a position to oversee other investigations. For him to be giving 30,000 directly to trump. Theres no blind trust here. He may well be dealing when hes not working because he has nothing on his schedule. He may be involved with his own Business Operations through his two sons. I dont know how to express the outrage that should come in response to this because theres enough theres something every day that deserves not one to ten but an 11, 12, 13 on the outrage scale and this is one of those. Zach has been staying on. David has done a lot rofof reporting. Thank you for being here. Mpl Mitch Mcconnell fuming about the moscow mitch nickname while through pressure to move on gun safety. New clues on how the democrats have a different impeachment push that may surprise you. T push that may surprise you Liberty Mutual customizes your Car Insurance, so you only pay for what you need. I wish i could shake your hand. Granted. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. So, every day, we put our latest technology and unrivaled network to work. The United States Postal Service makes more ecommerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country. Ecommerce deliveries to homes inalso available in hybridts kind leall wheel drive. Sport. Lease the 2019 ux 200 for 329 a month for 36 months. Experience amazing at your lexus dealer. If you have moderate to thsevere rheumatoid arthritis, month after month, the clock is ticking on irreversible joint damage. 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Third, theres this topic that honestly might seem less weighty than obstruction of justice or hate but its whats making news tonight with headlines like this. Vanity far reporting the impeachment strategy is to bring back stormi daniels. Now she says shes ready to testify before the house for this probe announcing she plans to be honest and adding bring it. Good to see you maya. Why do you think some democrats are pursuing what were calling here door number three. Many people will agree some of the other offenses are severe. First off lets say theres no reason they should limit themselves to one door. They can use all three. Theres more than three. In terms of this particular case, its because the evidence is so clear. In our Campaign Finance under Campaign Finance law if you are giving a thing of value, in this case were talking about him having a problem that might interfere with Donald Trumps ability to be elected president. Typically voters had not been so happy when president s had a affairs. Particularly with maybe pornography stars. We see and have evidence of 2015, theyre suggested evidence he was in the room with Michael Cohen in 2015 talking about how david pecker could help them with the campaign through catch and kill stories. We have the audio tape with Michael Cohen having a conversation with donald trump about how he is going to pay off ami for Karen Mcdougal catch and kill story. All of that leads to the time hes running for office because remember, some of these affairs, stormi daniels was way before he was running for office in 2007. While all of a sudden did he need to pay her off. It was in order to protect him in an election and that is what the Campaign Finance laws are organized around. Congress doesnt have to prove a crime. This is not a criminal proceedsing. This is not one they have the standards of proof that Robert Mueller has. Thats why i say they can use all the doors but to your point really whats happening here is they are saying when the Founding Fathers created the impeachment process its because they knew you couldnt necessarily wait for years for another election if you had someone who was corrupt and if you had someone who was just doing such a bad job that it was dangerous for the country. I want to play some of stormi daniels herself as she is potentially going to reemerge here. She did break her silence after the nda on 60 minutes sdplp was. Was it hush money to stay silent . Yes. The story was coming out again. I was concerned for my family and their safety. You said im not denying this affair because i was paid in hush money. Im denying it because it never happened. Thats a lie . Yes. If it was untruthful, why did you sign it . Because they made it sound like i had no choice. Shell get questions like that in a hearing with both parties as well, right . Yes, she will. This is the point of an inquiry. All the electives get to ask the questions and they goat ask all the questions. What the American Public deserves is to hear from the witnesses. What is it that happened and let the public draw up conclusion about who they believe. Were talking about a sitting president. Were talking about a process where its absolutely squarely Congress Responsibility to determine whether or not we have someone sit ting in the white house who actively commit a crime but they dont have to prove crime. They just have to prove the conduct. Right. We always learn a lot and you really broke it down in the context of the different roads. Thank you so much. Mitch mcconnell is now come pl complaining about that nickname moscow mitch. He may not like another one. The latest high ranking trump official to become an industry lobbyist and what it has to do with what you see there. Our famous friend the swamp creature. Our famous friend the swamp creature otezla is not a cream. 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I welcome them by announcing dartt vader has arrived. Classic mcconnell. He doesnt even care while still delighting in the mood of the authority of some kind of evil villain. No one denied his awesome power which he used to over power mortals and make his own deals. I find your lack of faith disturbing. Im altering the deal. Pray i dont alter it any further. You dont know the power of the dark side. Vader determines the deal. Every one else has to live with it. Thats how mcconnell runs the senate which complicates the task of pressuring someone who claims to be impervious to pressure. The pressure is building. The Washington Post editorial section putting out this unusual full page call aimed right at mr. Mcconnell demanding that he do something on gun safety and gun control. We turn now to bill crystal, former Republican White House aide. Good evening. You know vader a little bit . Yeah. I think thats a bum rap to compare darth vader to Mitch Mcconnell. He was running the empire pretty well. It was a rwell run empire. Mcconnell is stopping legislation from coming to the floor of the senate. Bill crystal defends darth vader. You have been banging this drum that its about gun policy. Its about whether in the wake of this mass shooting epidemic theres going to be democratic votes on this. Explain. Thats whats so extraordinary. The reason we have a senate is to debate these bills and mark them up in committee. Debate them. The house has passed a couple of gun measures in the normal course of things. If they pass them and the president vetoes them and they want the votes to override, thats fine. Same with Election Security legislation which has bipartisan support. Passed the house. Very important to a lot of secretaries of state around the country. Republicans say they could use the help to make sure elections work securely. Mcconnell not bringing them to floor. Its an issue of how the democracy is working. How congress is working. To be fair, mcconnell is doing it but hes doing it with the support of his republican colleagues. They could overrule him. Thats what i want to dig in onto with you. Will you permit me a slightly personal washington story . Sure. I started out working as a junior aide in the u. S. Senate. I remember the very elderly robert burg who was wrong about a great many things, but who was known as the inhouse historian of the senate. He talked about the out rage when the senate would roll over and not do its duty. They were elected to go there and represent and not fold to whatever the president wanted. In that case he was fighting george w. Bush on the war. I want to put that up in relief to what Mitch Mcconnell who spent his whole life getting to this position, as you say with or without the force and then does what . Says im here to wait around and do what trump tells me to do and really implies that out loud which is a way sort of admitting theres no senatorial. I said if the president took a position on a bill, so that we knew, we would be making a law and not just having serial votes, id be happy to put it on the floor and if the president is in favor of a number of things that he has discussed openly and publicly and i know that we pass it, it will become law, ill put it on the floor. Bill is that backwards . Why elect senators if they just not going to do anything unless they know ahead of time the president will sign the legislation. The military Construction Funds that various senators complaining about that the president is taking to use the wall, thats under an Emergency Declaration that the senate could overturn. About ten republicans voted to. That should be brought back up too. I think republican senators needs to be pressure put on the senator themselves to act like senators. Yeah. Always good to have your perspecti perspective. Thank you. Up ahead, all the promises to drain the swamp. 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