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For a democrat i think it shows either a total lack of knowledge or great disloyalty. Isnt that antisemitic . Its only antisemitic in your head. Were talking about indexing. Im not looking to do indexing. Ive been thinking about payroll taxes. We dont need it. Bring up background checks like weve never had before. We have very, very strong background checks right now. The prime ministers statement that it was absurd, it was an absurd idea, was nasty. You dont talk to the United States that way. At least to me. Excuse me, somebody had to do it. I am the chosen one. Trumpologists say this is all getting worse that is it looks wacky because it is increasingly wacky. Thats not just critics but his own people. Fewer aides around him willing or able to challenge him much less restain this less impulsive instincts. Which might explain why some other conservatives are stepping up, talk of an antitrump coalition on the right, look over at the far right where former republican congressman joe walsh, a tea Party Conservative is testing the waters for his own primary challenge to trump which could be different than product rats say mark sanford or bill weld who has been running because you have a toughminded right wing radio host talking about taking on trump. The political quell is not whether he would win the primary against a sitting president or become president himself. The question is narrower. Coknock half a point or a point off Donald Trumps support . Consider donald trump couldnt spare a single point in his super ne narrow path to the white house. Take a listen to be mr. Walsh today. Trumps a bully. And hes a coward. And the only way you beat a bully and you beat a coward is to expose them. Is to punch them. The only way you primary donald trump and beat him is to expose him for the con man he is. Id punch him every single day. A lot of people felt look, it seems like trump gets away with everything and his side forgives everything. But maybe it would add up. Trump was punched by michael cohen. Hes being punched this week anthony scare mew chill. Hes been getting punched from bill weld but many republicans dismiss him as a massachusetts moderate tonight you have tea partiyer joe walsh coming at trump from the far right and maybe all the punches do add up. Consider account new numbers in an a. P. Report that notes 62 of americans disapprove how trump handles his job and that trump is, let this sink in, the only president whose rating has never been above 50 in the history of polling. Thats not good. The a. P. Also notes a drop down to seven in ten republicans approving of his hanning of gun control policy, his lowest ratings on that issue from republicans. So even on guns, trump is losing three out of ten of them. His newly vocal critics and opponents seem to have something in common. They appear to be planning whatever you think of their authenticity, they appear to be planning for a world where donald trump loses. They could be wrong. Its hard to beat an incumbent president. Thats just a historical trend. But its interesting because these nerves and the worries are not just coming from frump insiders. Its spilling out to some of his enablers and some of the most powerful people in washington like Mitch Mcconnell. The context is you have 22 republican seats up in 2020 democrats need three or four to win back the senate which could explain something you dont see every day, Mitch Mcconnell out here on this hot summer week with an oped on its face fights to defends the rights of the minority in the senate which means advocating for a senate tactic currently exercised by democrats. Republicans control the senate. Why is he writingscies about this tool that his party doesnt need right now because theyre in charge . That the senators and the Democratic Party need, the filibuster . Maybe he has something in common with those other people whether you think theyre in it for themselves or not. Maybe Mitch Mcconnell is worried this is a tool republicans will need soon if they face a rout in 2020. Im joined by New York Times columnist michelle goldberg, wendy toer and amy allison, president of the group democracy in color and the founder of she the people. Nice to see everybody. Hey, ari. Juanita, do you sense a pattern . I mean yes. I think members of the gop see a weakness here, especially as the can bes evolve related to the economy and the fact that almost 50 of Trump Supporters from 2016 would blame trump for that. Not only is trump reacting but i think thats where these threats to his being primaried come from. You have scaramucci looking to save off 5 , 6 of the vote and walsh here also looking to run a primary where hes making a play to hold trump accountable, something we have not seen done well from the gop at all. So it will be interesting to see how voters who cant stomach supporting trump even though the republicans react to that as an alternative. I dont think these defections are going to weaken trump so much as i think these are a sign of trumps growing weakness. Right . They either sort of smell blood in the water or arent willing to go down with the ship. It has a lot to do, its hard for me to say whether trump has become more erratic or more unhinged because its not like he was ever particularly hinged to begin with, right . Hes never. Juanita, you agree with michelle hes been steadily unhinged. Its been pretty steady since he descended that golden escalator. Hes always been erratic and inept. Hes always been given to crazy conspiracy theories be an wild hyperbole and racial insults. I think maybe it could be getting worse and it could be being thrown into higher relief as his poll numbers go down, as the economy weakens and as multifairious Foreign Policy kryss that have been in the background have are coming to fruition all at once so that you can see the chaotic consequences of lack of American Leadership all over the place. That makes sense. Amy, theres also the issue of the fights that he picks. The beef with the danish prime minister. Again, i take juanitas point. Theres always been really petty stupid fights for no reason. Yet, some of them were with domestic political opponents and the press which has some you know some vibes that are similar to other political tricks. When youre beefing with these foreign leaders they have their own power base and their own constituents. It doesnt necessarily end well he was sort of punked by denmark. We were speaking just on the show with barbara rez who used to work with him about this. I asked her why hes so sensitive on these matters. Take a look. Is he a snowflaking . Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. He does the worst things and then when Somebody Just does a little thing, how dare they . This is the United States theyre insulting. Its ridiculous. He wasnt that bad then. You know, people started to think he was a little bit of a joke but later on, the apprentice, that to me and many people was hes like a cartoon at that point. Amy . Yeah, what were looking at is a series of attempts by trump kind of like test balloons to see whats going to move his approval numbers. Remember, this is a guy more than from business, hes from entertainment and trying to figure out how to save himself. All those other the talk about cutting payroll taxes which he rescinded and attacking of a woman leader of a european country which you know, hes not hes being outfoxed and outclassed right and left. The only playbook that really works with his base is racism and sexism. Were going to see him come back to that will again and again in his attacks. Its an organizing coordinating principle in his campaign. And i think the gop and joe walsh trying to run from the right you know, have at it. Its a death by a thousand cuts is an effective way to do things. It demonstrates trumps weakness. But im really interested in what everyone else is doing, how they respond. We can be whiplashed and try to follow the nonlogic of an increasingly bizarre behavior of a guy in the white house or we can organize our own troops and our own forces with a clear message. I think im looking at the democrats and im looking at the organizers on the ground and saying how are they taking advantage of the moment, the fact that theres so much chaos coming fra the white house and no one seems to be able to quell it. Hes also enjoyed great benefit from having almost universal blocking abprotection on the part of the gop. And im really looking at the democrats to hold not only trump but all the rest of the republicans accountable for you know, the crimes and the activities and the misbehaviors that they have protected. Yeah, you mentioned also the sexism and racism that he reaches towards. Juanita, the fights, he sort of improvises his way in. Im not sure how familiar he was with the Political Leadership of denmark when he was hunting for greenland. Foreign relations in general, right . But then he figures out ho, oh, hes dealing with a female head of state a powerful woman and he does what hes done at other times. We put this together. Take a look. The prime ministers statement that it was absurd that it was an absurd idea was nasty. I think shes a disgrace. Shes a nasty vin ticktive horrible. Move to canada if you got elected. I didnt know she was nasty. What we want to do is replenish. Such a nasty woman. Juanita . I mean its the playbook, right . Hes pulling out all of his sexism and putting it on full display for his base to be reacting to, but heres the thing. While were talking about greenland, while were talking about him being the chosen one, were not talking about all the things happening in the news cycle and packeting our economy like the fact that the u. S. Deficit is soaring because of his deal. So you have coal miners who voted for him in 16 looking like this is another broken promise. Youre not looking out for me. Im fighting to live. What are you doing for me. Hes going to be having to find an answer that is going to make sense 0 those folks who supported him in 2016 because deflection is one thing. When you have nothing to show but a long list of broken promises on taxes that did nothing for American Workers but everything for the wealthy, on health care which trump is trying to take away peoples care especially individuals living with preexisting conditions right now as well as on jobs. When you have folks in the Auto Industry jobless right now because those factories did leave the country he has nothing to show for himself. Use the blai playbooking. Thanks to both of you for joining us tonight. Michelle stays. I want to do one more thing which is mr. Walsh. You know, the talking about defying deventancy down. It is striking i dont think anyone would have expected five years ago including people on the political right that joe walsh would be according to at least some conservatives, the more reasonable saviour against donald trump or at least would be the tool. So while were mentioning this tan as you said it may reflect the weakness people see out there, we would be remiss if we didnt hold mr. Walsh accountable for his own statements. As he becomes the next potential republican foe in the media sphere, we know trump doesnt like it when people say this stuff on tv, here is what is joe walsh. Take a look. You know what, mr. President , it might not be a bad idea and i wonder how many of these alligators it would take to secure the boarder . If i wanted people to take up arms, why would i recommend people take up an antique like a musket . I mean, seriously. In 2016, i want people to go out and find a musket . They want the hispanic vote, they want hispanics dependent upon government just like they got africanamericans dependent upon government. Is he a contrast to trump or is he just sort of another trump . I think its important to look, look im not going to vote for joe walsh. I thought you were. Its important to note first of all he has apologized for the role that he played in introducing a trumplike politics into the United States. Right . So that i think already gives him moral authority over trump which is not necessarily saying that much. So i think that the reason that he is a possible contrast to trump or at least a possible foil to trump is because he clearly does share the same underlying commitments. I think ive said this on your show before that often people who become defectors from a movement are the ones who are true believers. If the true believers feel truly disappointed and truly betrayed when the ideasals of the movement they were part of turn out to be arent lived up to, right . So thats why you see somebody like justin amash who was very, very conservative become the only person to leave the Republican Party in congress over trump, right . Mark sanford is extremely conservative. Jeff flake was one of the most conservative senators and was a kind of Tea Party Darling before he got on the wrong side of trump. So in a way, its the people who care enough about the purported ideals of the conservative movement to blanch when betrayed that are going to launch that are going to launch a challenge to trump. You just put your finger on something important which is for all the energy of the resistance which has a lot of a moral dimension, it isnt enough to just tell the people who support donald trump hes the worst and youre the worst and youre late. Whats not a winning coalitionbuilding strategy. So the democrats have to figure out if part of the argument is that hes a con, how do you tell people that without insulting them because it suggests theyve been couldnt. You know, i think that hes a con and says you kind of the corollary of that is you had a right to expect better. Right. And theres broken propses. Michelle, always good to have you tore multiple topics. Thanks for being here into. We have so much more. Rudy giuliani is trying to press a Foreign Government to help basically collude. I have a former u. S. Ambassador, Michael Mcfaul here. And donald trump is not the only one flipping on background checks. My special report on something you need to know about the nra and the roads ahead. Later, well speak to the nations top expert on the very immigration rule you donald trump is trying to cancel. This is someone who has been winning in court for decades and a look an the democrat candidates handling issues of social justice with a key adviser. All that plus more when we are back in just 30 seconds. Plus me back in ju 3st0 seconds. Announcer fidelity is redefining value for investors with zero account fees for brokerage accounts, and zero minimums to open an account. We have Fidelity Mutual funds with zero minimum investment. And only fidelity offers four zero Expense Ratio index funds directly to investors. Because when you invest with fidelity, all those zeros really add up. So, maybe ill win saved by zero welcome back. We turn now to a story about attempts to col include with a Foreign Government. This is not a story based on critics of trump, stirring up the collusion talk again or about leads from the impeachment probe. I want to be clear, this is a headline tonight because of trumps own lawyer Rudy Giuliani seeking foreign help to go after trumps democratic rivals in the u. S. So stop right there. Even if giuliani doesnt succeed, we have another chapter of donald trump going from no collusion to im open to collusion. Be it collusion with putin as he told abc news he would still take info on his opponents in 2020 from russia, or this effort to get israel to help retaliate against domestic American Democratic rivals and now tonights news, help from ukraine if theyre willing to do what, free oppo work on joe biden and his son. Now americas diplomats did apparently getting roped into this attempted collusion. Its not normal. Its out in public. And it appears to be getting worse. We turn now to the former u. S. Ambassador to russia, Michael Mcfaul. I suppose we begin with the obvious. Is this an appropriate role for the president s attorney and the u. S. State department to try to get ukraine to help go after the bi bidens . Absolutely not. Of course. Youre right. I do not understand what mr. Giuliani is doing in ukraine. I wish he would stop it. Theres actually some very important diplomatic work to be done with ukraine right now. They just elected recently a brandnew president. They then had parliamentary elections. His party, mr. Zielinski has a majority for the first time in ukrainian history. You have a majority in the parliament to work with the president. And now is the time when we should be doubling down on helping Ukrainian Democracy and market reform there not having some somebody from the outside, mr. Giuliani, last i checked hes not a u. S. Government official messing around in what i think is vital Important National Security Work for the United States. When you were at the state department, did you ever see anything like this come up . No. Absolutely not. So what should these diplomats do . Were hearing the reporting that the Trump State Department is sort of getting roped in or talking to rudy about this stuff. Well, i dont know exactly who in the state department is doing that, but i do know that when you work at the state department, you are nonpartisan. Youre not supposed to be involved in elections in any way, shape or form. I was the u. S. Ambassador to russia in 2012. There was an election that year, remember . I had work Ford Barack Obama on his first Election Campaign and i worked for him in the white house but as the u. S. Ambassador in russia, i was strictly nonpartisan and working for the United States of america, not for candidate obama and i hope my state Department Friends working on both sides both in ukraine and here in washington will be doing the same. Well, you lay it out there quite clearly, ambassador. Thats the question. How do these folks at the state department deal with it when the times is reporteding theyre knowledgeable about it at some level and what do folks abroad do do given this controversy continues because of the way donald trump leads. Thanks for joining us tonight. When we come back, i have affect check on an nra flipflop that explains the future of the gun safety debate and donald trump trying to seize indefinite detention powers for kids in the United States. A very special guest on that when we come back. States. 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What you heard was donald trump learned enough to find out there is a flores agreement and its powerful. But not quite enough to the learn why its called that. It is not named after a judge issuing the ruling. Theres no judge flores but rather its named after jenny flores who fled el salvador in the 1980 and tried to join her undocument mother in california but she was caught and held in severe conditions a motel surrounded by razor wire with severe overcrowding. Those children were subjected to body cavity certainlies. Her mother feared showing up as an undocumented person would get them both detained. That was the road to this flores agreement. Advocates suing for better conditions. That is what trump is trying to con sell, attempting to seize indefinite detention powers which courts limited even for suspected terrorists 59 guantanamo let alone these children. Trump is not the first president to tangle with the courts over these rules. But he is going the farthest to try to eliminate human rights protections and end flores which began with the migrants fighting in court. For their rights and with their legal advocate attorney peter shea who won this battle and kept tanglinging with differentdon administrations over the decades. We think that bottom line, this is really a policy aimed against Central American refugees. I dont believe that congress would ever vote to amend the United States constitution to deprive citizenship to children born in this country. There was not a well thought policy that no plan for reuniting these children with their parents peter shea filed the or 1985 flores lawsuit as lead counsel and advocating for the rights ever since and leads the center for human rights and constitutional law. Its an honor to have you here, sir. Thank you very much for having me. Thank you. Donald trump big picture says all this started with barack obama. Is that true . That is really completely false. The president has blamed president obama for separating children and claimed that he brought them back together with their parents through an executive order. That was completely false. President obama never separated children from their parents. President trump did that and in reaction to public outcry two months later he issued an executive order rescinding that an separation policy. In that order, he ordered attorney general former attorney general Jeff Sessions to file a motion in the courts immediately attempting to terminate the flores settlement. That was unsuccessful. That took place about a year ago. Yeah, let me pause on that with you because you literally started this. I wonder how you feel, i know you care a lot about the rights of these individuals. I wonder how you feel having won that battle, set a lot of the Immigration Law and then watched this president not only push against it but try to basically destroy flores. Do you think hell get away with this . I think it is really sad and commentary on this president that he is the first president in 21 years who is actively engaged in attempting to dismantle an agreement that really just provides a couple of bake important rights for children in detention. One is the right to humane treatment and that is accomplished by requiring that children as expeditiously as possible be placed into a licensed facility and the other is the right to prompt family reunification if the child is not a flight risk or a danger to herself or others. Exactly. Im going to jump in and say, sir, this is what youve been working on. A lot of americans this year were learning about this and saying how can this be. Part of the answer is you won rulings against it. With regard to know cans the Trump Officials say in public and court its not so bad. Take a look. So if you think of yourself as a college dormitory, thats what the rooms look like. Theyre campus like settings with appropriate medical, recreational, dining and private housing facilities. Is that true in your experience . That is not true in our experience. We have the right to the monitor the terms of the settlement and so we have monitoring teams, lawyers, Child Welfare experts who go into detention facilities, go into Border Patrol facilities. And what we have found particularly in the Border Patrol facilities where children have been held for days and weeks on end is severe overcrowding, children being held in cages, children not having medicalsments, children being held in very unsanitary conditions. And then what we have found for children who are beyond the Border Patrol into office of Refugee Resettlement facilities, those facilities are supposed to be licensed under state laws. And children are held there for months on end while extremely vetting takes place of their parents when these children should be released in two or three weeks and instead detained for months on end. Im curious, last question to you with the limited time. What drew you early in your career to fight for these kids coming across the border . Years ago when a lot of people werent thinking about this. You know, years agoing what drew us into the case in the center for human rights into this case is that this population was really uniquely vulnerable. It was hard to immigrants in general are a vulnerable population and highly exploitable population in this country. But these unaccompanied and companied immigrant children are really among the most vulnerable of the vulnerable. And when we filed this had case they had no legal rights. Since we achieved a settlement in 1997, tens of thousands of children have been treated humanely and have been released relatively promptly. Thanks to the settlement. You say that. Thats so important. People are so concerned and frustrated. What youre outlining is amidst that for years, its these court sanctioned protections that have improved the lives of some people. Flores they know about it. Peter schey, thanks for coming on tonight. Appreciate it. I have the break down i promised you on the nra caught in a flipflop over background checks and an excluesive with the liberal economist shaping new Racial Justice policies on the campaign trail. G new Racial Justice policies on the campaign trail so that early retirement we planned. Its going ok . Great. Now im spending more time with the kids. Im introducing them to crab. Crab . They love it. So, you mentioned that that money we set aside. Yeah. The kids and i want to build our own crab shack. Ahhh, youre finally building that outdoor kitchen. Yup with room for the whole gang. See how investing with a j. P. Morgan advisor can help you. Visit your local chase branch. 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Nine out of ten support background checks to exclude dangerous people from buying a gun because youre using the gun to make sure only law abiding people to get guns and most people find that logical. After several Mass Shootings donald trump has claimed to agree with the majority of americans only to backtrack. Theres a very strong appetite for background checks and i think we can bring up background checks like weve never had before. We have to have meaningful background checks. We dont want to see crazy people owning guns. I also want to remember that Mental Illness is something nobody wants to talk about. We have very, very strong background checks right now. A lot of the people that put me where i am are strong believers in the Second Amendment and i am also. And we have to be very careful about that. They call it the slippery slope. All of a sudden, everything gets taken away. So thats trump. Thats his flipflop. But rick ross says some things are deeper than rap. Some things are deeper than trump because while he did that in days republicans in the nra have made the same flipflop shift, they just took years after the columbine shooting in 1999, gun violence was a flash point. Nine out of ten Americans Still wanted to close the gun show loophole, identical now. The history at the time, 31 Senate Republicans voted in support of background checks with the nras support including Mitch Mcconnell. That doesnt mean they made background checks a reality. Republicans cast those votes in a process where then other republicans blocks the bill from becoming law because the house voted down. 13 years after columbine, another massacre at sandy hook. And look at the polling pattern, if you checks at the time, again, the vast majority of americans and gun owners still supported background checks. But with a democratic president in barack obama and a wider push for reform, there was more prospect the bill could become law and da da da, the republicans shifted. This time only four republicans in the senate voted for those background chicks. Mcconnell switched his vote to no. Matching that wider shift i mentioned from the nra. Some people forget all this history. Its important to understand todays standoff. The head of the nra, wayne la pea pierre faced congress after columbine and he supported background checks. This was back when he was the nra vice president. Lets talk about whats reasonable and whats not. We think its reasonable to provide mandatory instant criminal background checks for every sale at every gun show. No loopholes anywhere for anyone. Lets talk about whats reasonable. And hes under oath facing the congress. By the time president obama was pushing what you might call that reasonable plan after sandy hook, lapierre had a new line. So let me ask you this. Do you still as you did in 1999 still support mandatory background checks at gun shows . I do not believe the way the law is working now unfortunately, that it does any good to extend the law to private sales between hobbyists and collectors. You do not support mandatory background checks in all instances at gun shows . We do not. We do not. This is really big. Take this in. Its become pretty common to note the nra doesnt represent all americans or gun owners or even most gun owners when it comes to background checks. What youre seeing here is its deeper perform the nra doesnt even represent itself because like that Republican Senate caucus, its been on both sides of this background check issue. Why . Well, there already plenty of critics and experts on this the people who work on it day in and day out who tell us its easier to support something in washington when it has no chance in passing. A politician can say im with nine out of ten voters and they go assure the nra it doesnt matter. Maybe the nra and shows senators claimed to support the background checks because they had reason to believe those woes never become a reality. Its an echo of how many republicans used to claim they were for Free Market Health Care Solutions and obama came along and pushed that idea for obamacare and suddenly they opposed it. Theres Something Else going on here. That is exactly why some gun Safety Advocates say theres a sliver of good news for their cause. They say this debate is exposing some of their opponents because of the policy progress because theyre getting closer just like so many states are getting closer and have even passed gun safety reforms just in the last year in 2018. And that raises a larger question. Can these opponents of reform continue to resist that nine out of Ten Political gravity on this issue that is being exposed in public, can they face down 90 of the voting public and their own records and their own sound of Wayne Lapierre . 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These ideas come out of decades of advocacy of activism, as well as research by academics that informs many of the proposals were now hearing about. That includes the work of professor darrick hamilton who has been name checked by some of the top candidates. Economic justice is a moral imperative. With such an approach is, economic inclusion becomes a goal regardless of context that we live. It is wealth that begets more wealth. Thats why we advocate for baby trusts an economic birth right to capital for everyone. The idea of a federal job guarantee is not new norad cal. We talked about human rights, civil rights. The next frontier is economic rights so that people have a base level of resources. And hamilton has advised several candidates and helped been one of the engines intellectually of what is a mainstream conversation on race in america. These are some of the candidates who consulted him or his work. All of this is changing the way people who might be president propose ideas on these issues. Im reading some articles right now by an economist named darrick hamilton that talks about how wealth is accumulated in this country that favors White House Holds at the expense of black households. Lets deal with the racial wealth gap in our country. I will remove the barriers that black americans face when they go to qualify for a home loan. We know that theres differentials in wealth that are inherited from bigoted policies of our past. The fact that a black person is four times as likely as a white person to be incarcerated for the exact same crime is evidence of systemic racism. Racial equality must be central to combating economic equality. We live in a country now where the president is advancing environmental racism, criminal justice racism, health care racism. When it comes to the economic gap between blacks and whites in america it, comes from a great injustice that has never been dealt with. Darrick hamilton executive of the institute at ohio university. Thanks for being here. Thank you for that introduction. We pulled on what youve been doing. How many people running for president have you been in touch with now . Id have to think about that number but id say quite a few. Probably more than four. What does it mean that your work which people may not have heard a lot about or at least read directly is now getting this kind of traction . I think were ready for change. I think the Democratic Party recognizes that america is ready for bold change to get us out of that rut weve been in of basically 45 years of stagnant wages. You look at media net worth and what a difference it is in this country, White House Holds, 170,000. Hispanic 20,000, black 17,000. Yeah, no, it is dam mat electric. Wealth is unequal in america period what becomes more disturbing is ones wealth position is more determined by things like race than education, income, things that might be related to class. People say if id can go to school, if you could get a nice degree like yours, that would shift things. Youre saying it depends on if that person going to school is black or white. Theres one statistic that vividly displays that. If youre a black family and your head graduated from college, you typically have less than if you dropped out of high school. Again, one needs to consider what wealth can do for you in your life. If you want to start a business, you need capital. If you want your children to go to an expensive school, you need some wealth. I mean, if youre faced with a crisis in health, and youre having problems with your health insurance, wealth is a protective factor. What if you want to start an international branding and Hotel Company and then get bailed out from bankruptcy . Exactly. But a person who worked for the person i am mentioning, this is a Trump Campaign spokesperson who worked for him, was railing against this idea of the universal jobs guarantee, which is you and other academics have looked at. Take a listen. What economists consider full employment right now. Every day were reading headlines across the country about companies that are adding jobs. The problem in many yares is not enough workers. Not too few jobs. So this just seems to be a stretch to try to appeal to their crazy liberal base on the coasts and i cant see it going anywhere. Whats the response to that . Hes part right in the fact that the problem is we dont have enough jobs, exactly. Thats why we need a federal government to insure that we have an adequate number of jobs so everybody can have agency that comes about from having a job. The other point about full employment, we need to consider what is the nature of work today versus, for instance, the nature of work in the past. If we have people working with poverty wages, if we have people that are in unstable working conditions where you dont know how much youre going to work from week to week or how much your income is going to be from week to week, if we have a job without protections, thats very different than a job that offers you dignity of decent wages, decent benefits. You are operating in this space between big, big ideas that might only get their reckoning in decades or never. And then the political thirst by many people who share your ideology or concerns you have. They want to beat trump no matter what. Im curious how you navigate that. Some of urideas do run up against a lot of skepticism. Look at when you ask people, should the free market or the government make these Big Decisions about wealth distribution. Republicans, 91 to 7 . Independents, 67 say free market. For democrats, its basically split. Take it all together, and the core, im simplifying because im not as studious as you, but the core of some of your proposals, which is the government comes in and tries to fix these gaps, right . Is facing skepticism from people who say thats not the governments role. Yeah. I mean, we need a granular understanding of history to really understand these big ideas as well. You know, i like to point out that nothing that im proposing hasnt been proposed in the past in some way, in some fashion or the other. For example, roosevelt was talking about a federal job guarantee. I mean, he was talking about an economic bill of rights, which is the next evolution. So really, these arent radical ideas. Let me start with that. Did you know when you started out you would have this much access and a seat at the table, and does it change anything you do . Does it make you cooler with your students, et cetera . In some ways, its the Silver Lining of donald trump. These big, bold ideas now are on the table. I mean, the question of what is possible in america has been fundamentally changed. We are not going to stick with the status quo. We now have a scenario where we can really think outside of the box of a new vision. Well, you talk about getting out of the box. Some of the ideas that have been pulled out from outside that box are coming from some of the books and work youre doing. Professor hamilton, thank you for coming on the beat. And the obamas up next, speaking out in a new film with what looks like a swipe at trump. Wag out in a new film with what looks like a swipe at trump. I , and they were with another insurance company, i would tell them, you need to join usaa because they have better rates, and better service. Were the gomez family. Were the rivera family. Were the kirby family, and we are usaa members for life. Get your Auto Insurance quote today. The way you triumph over adversity. And live your lives. 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If you know someone, if you talk to them facetoface, if you can forge a connection, you may not agree with them on everything. But theres some Common Ground to be found. And you can move forward together. Common ground is a contrast to the rhetoric of the trump era. What we can expect in the future . Higher ground is a reflection of both of us. So that means that, you know, our platform is going to look a little bit like everything. Just like the world is a little bit of everything. Higher ground makes it clear Michelle Obama is still telling everyone go high. That does it for us tonight. Thanks for watching the beat. Hardball is up next. A worried king. Lets play hardball. Good evening. Im Chris Matthews in washington. Rattled by the u. S. Economy and his prospects