Of how he wants his administration to run, everything goes through him, through nobody else. I think it in some ways it was the perfect microcosm explaining his leadership style. It always goes through him and last night and his description this morning is just exhibit a. Its fascinating. A lot of people in National Security circles would be concerned about the New York Times story or the leaks. He seemed to lean in and say its all about me and my call at the end. Yeah, i dont think, look, i will never know this for sure. I dont know if he intended ever to green light that strike. I hear there you. I look forward to living in it, watching more of it. Youre going to be very busy from sunday on through next week. Well all be watching. Always good to see you. Thank you sir. Tonight several majors stories. You heard about Donald Trumps iran missile standoff and new reports about the advise hes getting from fox news on the decisions. This is brandnew, you may not have the heard about it, newly leaked messages new to the world between Paul Manaforten a conservative conservative leader about the secret pressure he was facing from muellers prosecutors and i have a special report where as Congress Hears the evidence of trumps criminal obstruction, i have a special report what is really fact in this obstruction matter. Something that donald trump keeps spinning on including in some of these interviews. We hope that could be useful factually. Thats all in the broadcast tonight. Our top story, a Trump Administration plan that echoes the launch of the Trump Reelection Campaign this week. The administration announcing a series of nationwide raids to happen this weekend to deport families inside the United States slated for ten major cities on sunday focusing on migrants they say have been ordered to leave the country by an immigration judge. Theres nothing new about a coordinated federal immigration raid. Every administration does deport unlawful immigrants. The Trump Administrations approach is different in both scale and public thrust including the president claiming he would remove millions of people. The number is closer to the low thousand. Trump claims hes cracking down but hen in these new interviews he claims this is all the status quo even name checking obama as his inspiration. Now, we have a new interview. The bottom line is obama did separate families on an individual basis, we should note that. His Administration Never prioritized zero tolerance or family separation as a goal like the Trump Administration which is why there are thousands of children taken from their families. With that context because id like to show you the facts first, listen to this exchange from a new interview. Zero tolerance policy, was it a mistake . Its not a mistake. When i became president , president obama had a separation policy. I didnt have it. He had it. I brought the families together. Im the one that put them together. Under the obama plan. Were talking about your plan. No, were not. I put people together. They separated. I put them together. Under obama. Under a court order, right. No, i put them together. I inherited separation and i changed the plan and i brought people together. A few things here. First, note that for all the complains and hype about attacking the press, donald trump now apparently does face some sort of pressure and feels the need to square off with independent journalists as he launches his reelection campaign. Thats why we have that exchange right there with jose, a contrast to a period when he shut down all press conferences every single one at the white house for months and mostly stuck in personal interviews to friendly interviewers. Second, note that donald trump is pitching zero tolerance red meat to his base on the campaign trail and then what you just saw there hes pitching Obama Policies to the rest of the nation. As if the two of them just sat together and built all these plans. That is a substantively muddled pitch but politically cunning. The campaign question is whether voters will learn with those things you just heard are falsehood and will they care. The obama administrationing had a strict policy and it wasnt zero policy and it wasnt the same as trump. Donald trump pledged mexico would pay for the wall, and instead, you are. A fact that his 2020 Communications Director explained on this slow last night with a new argument claiming that mexico isnt paying, sure, but in a way in a way maybe they are paying with a kind of a virtual currency. Mexico is paying a lot for our southern security. And that. Not the wall. I would call it a virtual wall. Thats your Closing Argument . Thats the Closing Argument. Trumps Justice Department on defense defending a losing case this week where they were ordered to provide detained children so and toothbrushes. Theyre appealing so they can deny them those basic means. Im joined by california congressman raul ruiz, an emergency room doctor spear heading a bill that would provide that medical and nutritional care in detention, Michelle Goldberg saying the family separation policy is not over and ellie northerly cliff with the daily beast here for the serious news and im going to count on you later for fallback friday. We start with all the seriousness. Michelle, what do you think of the clear divided message that im trying to show everyone so people can make sense of it which is zero tolerance for the base, obama for the national other tv interviews. I mean, its not a message. Its just a lie. Just a blatant flat out lie. Thats sort of something that trump often does is he on the one hand wants to be seen as tough and likes to reb very in his own said dix but speaking to certain audiences deep down, although he cant to make himself loved he wants to be loved and present himself as a good guy, even more than obama. But i think its. Youre saying hes human. I think that the jurys still out on that. But i actually i think that its worth pointing out that although you remember it was exactly a year ago yesterday that he signed that executive order ostensibly banning family separation because there was such a national uproar. What people in the field are telling me is that family separation never stopped. Its going on under its going on through a legal loophole. Some advocates worry theres going to be as many as 1,000 cases by the end of the summer. There was an Associated Press story yesterday about truly horrific heart breaking conditions can of children being head for extended periods in really dirty substandard care. The reason that those children are in are being locked up by themselves or with only other children to take care of them is because they are still being separated from their family members. Yeah. Congressman, i want to get to the billy mentioned, the work youre doing. What is your response to the claim by not only the Trump Administration but other folks who having you know a harsh or strong view about deportation who say look, there was a lot of deportations under other administrations. It is a thing that happens. Is there a particular concern that you see in these weekend raids that are different . Absolutely. You know, while theyre asking for money to help the children and the humanitarian situation at the border, theyre saying that they want to now separate families and add to more harm to the children that theyre going to be deporting their parents. So its just a cruel attempt to rile up the base to create fear and continue these cruel policies. Tell us about the work youre doing for what you say these individuals should get, in other words, and we talk about this a lot migration as well as criminal justice, someone may be under detention it may be lawful or expelled under the rules of the country but we still owe them due process and human rights. You mentioned that im an emergency medicine physician. Im a Public Health expert. Im a trained humanitarian but more than that, im a father. And the conditions that ive seen the children at these Detention Centers were just so sub human that it just tears your soul and it really flips your moral compass of who you are as an individual and as a country. You see children without diapers dirty with mooung mucous coughing on each other in a room so full you couldnt even see the floor in a situation where theres open toilets and freezing rooms where theyre not really allowed to sleep overnight. Its like torture or theyre being woken up. Let me let you hear something we reported earlier this week which was the pressure they got from the very conditions you just mentioned from federal judges as the administration fights to continue to try to be able to deny you know the toothbrushes the blankets to children. Take a look. Are you really going to stand up and tell us being able to sleep isnt a condition of safe and sanitary conditions. So, thats part of safe and sanitary. Are you disagreeing with that. If you dont have a blanket, its not safe and sanitary. Wouldnt everybody agree to that . Do you agree with that . Well, i think its i think those are theres fair reason to find that those things may be part of safe and sanitary. No maybe. Are. Congressman . I introduced a bill the humanitarian standards for individuals with cbp under cbp custody precisely to make sure that we codify a certain set of behavioral norms that will meet the basic humanitarian needs of women, children, families. And in situations of water, sanitation, food, hygiene, as well as shelter to basically insure the basic conditions for a life with dignity. Were not asking for much. Were asking for so to wash your hands. Allow them to bathe daily. Let them sleep at night. Dont wake them up. Make sure they have private toilets to use enough per certain amount of men and women. Make sure that theres enough space for them to just move their elbows. Make sure that they have a well defined Health Screening within the first three hours for children, pregnant women, the elderly that consists of an interview, vital signs is, physical examination and assessment and plan, consultation with an Emergency Care provider if theres any abnormalities. This help prevent deaths of children. And give professionalism and humanity back into a system that and an administration that lacks it. And we wanted to include some of that work youre doing since weve been looking at the problem and what some are putting forward as solutions. Thank you so much for being on the beat tonight. Thank you very much. I know your time is limited. My panel stays. Eleanor, turning to you, lets get over to the politics of it. Were 12 minutes into the broadcast and weve been solidly on the policy and facts which is important. But it is politicians who make the policy, isnt it. When you see donald trump out there, what do you see this weeking . Every president inherits the problems left over from the Previous Administration and this president has taken these kind of chronic problems at the southern border with, with iran, and hes made them worse. The numbers are up of people trying to come into this country. The cruelty is up. President obama, yes, he targeted people who had felonies. He didnt go after hard working families and try to break them up. What this administration is putting out today, ordering roundups can of thousands of people is chilling. Its inflicting, its terrorism on communities and. Thats a strong word when you view it that way. Tear ser when you create fear among people. I think its an appropriate use of the word. I think youre going to see Law Enforcement not necessarily just line up with the president on this. That there is no such thing as an official sanctuary city but there are Law Enforcement people everywhere who regard the immigrants in their midst as people they want to protect. So there could be some clashes here. And i just dont want to live in a country where youre rounding up people. The language is chilling. And hes doing it because he won election ha way. And this is he thinks in television terms. This is a new episode and youve got to its like 24 coming back. Youve got to up all the confrontations. Up the fire and fury. I think there are plenty of people and weve had them on the show who would object with the language state but it is certainly the case as i mentioned in our introduction, that unlike past administrations this doesnt seem like a Law Enforcement mechanism where do you it to get the results. You are hyping it on twitter and publicly for days which is not normal. And people are living in fear because of this. Luckily we dont lose you as mentioned. Eleanor stays with me. My special thanks to the congressman and Michelle Goldberg. Divisions in trumps inner circle about National Security and fox news hosts weighing in. Later, my special report on what is going to come out of hope hicks testimony. Why some experts say she just handed the democrats a new weapon that he could deliver new Court Victories and witnesses. And tom steyer has a new ad to say hes going to use his money to press the demes on impeachment. Plus tape from the archives, the earliest footage we cofind some of these democrats debating and then dont go anywhere till the end of the hour. Fallback friday with eleanor and the one and only pete brock. Im ari melber. Youre watching a special edition of the beat on msnbc. Edition of the beat on msnbc thats a chevy blazer . Aww, this is dope. This thing is beautiful. I love the lights. Oh man, its got a mean face on it. It looks like a piece of candy. Look at the interior. This is nice. This is my sexy mom car. I would feel like a cool dad. Its just really chic. I love this thing. Its gorgeous. I would pull up in this in a heartbeat. I want one of these. That is sharp. 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Both emphasizing that trump brought us to the brink of a major attack, trump saying he was cocked and loaded and there was evidence of that. Whether the u. S. Was this is close to a strike or farther or not close at all, thats a nuanced distinction. Trumps clearly improvising it during had vacuum in civilian leadership for the military. The acting pentagon leave the building in controversy after five months in that role. And so if trump was really heading towards a strike, who is feel filling that vacuum for military advice. Tv hosts on fox news. The president will have no choice. He will bomb the hell out of them. We have the most advanced Weapons Systems and a strong message needs to be sent that a huge price will be paid if you take on the United States of america. Why would we talk to them . Theyre blowing up anchors of allies, they blow up our drone and then well talk to them . But since trump held back opt strike, does that mean he ultimately ignored fox news . Maybe not. Theres new reporting tonight Tucker Carlson was privately urging trump against war with iran and then last night he gave the president credit for being skeptical of the hawks. The very people in some cases literally the same people who lured us into the iraq quagmire 16 years ago are demanding a new war. This one with iran. The president to his great credit appears to be skeptical of this, very skeptical. I want to be very clear. Its totally possible trump 0 would do the same thing regardless of fox news, consider that much of his Foreign Policy is kind of a reverse teddy roosevelt. Speak loudly and dont use the big stick whatever you do. The president has talked up fire and fury. Hes threatened iran and north korea before but he usually pulls back after the rhetoric. The main exception were the limited air strikes against syria. Will he continue to pull backing from this weeks tension with iran and if so is he channeling his instincts or Tucker Carlsons . Markinceburg also served an adviser on mideast policy in the carter administration. What do you think of this very public way that donald trump has threatened and pulled back . Its the public reality show Foreign Policy version 1. 0. And with respect to iran, ari, i dont think the president knows from one day to the next what he wants to do on iran. The fact of the matter is that the withdrawal from the Iran Nuclear Deal accelerated the impact of american sanctions on the iranian economy. I dont think that neither he nor secretary pompeo nor john bolton really had the foggiest notion how iran would react. You know, ari, remember the title of that movie somethings got to give . Thats the iranian policy today. They cannot accept the status quo of u. S. Sanctions. Thats why theyre putting bombs on tankers. Thats why theyre going to shoot down drones be and why theyre providing missiles to Houthi Rebels to shoot at target inside dubai. Have you seen a president delight in the will he or wont he participate in the bombing of another country. Yeah, this idea somehow or other trump does not have some methodology to his madness on this belies the fact he is enjoyings the spectacle of keeping everybody off balance. And is that in your view problematic in any way or if you get the ultimate result, however curiously or ineptly, especially given the old reliance on acting chiefs and degradation of expert folks, do you think thats basically a good outcome. No, because in the end the iranians wont accept that as an outcome. The iranians have tried diplomacy. The president had a back channel through the Prime Minister of japan who tried to open up a back channel between the iranian government and the president. The iranians want the europeans to put pressure on the president. They will not accept the status quo. They will not accept the president deciding when and where hes going to lift sanctions without had he reacting somehow to change the status in the gulf. Ambassador ginsberg, we appreciate you joining us. Our special report on hope hicks testimony which could shift the democratic sfleegs obstruction when were back in 30 seconds. Democratic sfleegs obstruction when were back in 30 seconds. The visionary lexus nx. Lease the 2019 nx 300 for 359 month for 36 months. Experience amazing at your lexus dealer. Shaving has been difficult for me. I have very sensitive skin, and i get ingrowing hairs. Oh i love it. Its a great razor. It has that fence in the middle. It gives a nice smooth shave. Tonight the top democrat overseeing the trump obstruction probe is proclaiming a new legal weapon to fight trumps stonewalling. Jerry nadler says hope hicks blanket refusal to answer questions this is week about her time in the white house is a gift because it allows democrats to problem to a judge the stonewalling is so extreme and beyond executive privilege that it will be overruled in court. This is something our experts this week outlines that the seemingly frustrating interview could be a strategic couple of sorts strengthening democrats hand in court not just for hicks but others, as well. We dig into the criminal evidence that trump doesnt want you to see in any televised hearings. Call it the negative space in this painting, the key topics which she wont talk about which include donald trump trying to get Jeff Sessions to recuse himself. Mueller amassed evidence to figure out whether trump had criminal intent. So consider that the House Democrats lawyer asked hicks, do you recall after sessions recused himself trump was angry and scolded him in your presence . Its one of the many questions she ducked but why . We know when trump took office, there were all kinds of calls for sessions to recuse because had he worked as a trump surrogate. It came to a head on march 1st, 2017. A Washington Post report that sessions met twice with the Russian Ambassador and hid it. The very next day, this is important, reporters were buzzing about this issue. It turned out trump had formed a clear view. He stopped during a visit to an Aircraft Carrier in virginia and told the world sessions should not recuse. What youre about to see was a moment that mattered in history because it made trumps life and first term much harder. Pressuring your former surrogate and now ag to avoid recusal adds to the very reasons the doj was trying to make him recuse. Mr. President do you still have confidence in the attorney general, sir. Total. Mr. President , should sessions recuse himself from investigations into your campaign and russia. I dont think so at all. Now we know from the Mueller Report behind the scenes trumps staff was working overtime to stop the recusal, trump urging White House Counsel Don Mcgahn to talk to sessions and tell him not to. Mcgahn trying to convince sessions personally and talked to Mitch Mcconnell rallying the troops to make the case. In the end, it didnt work. Here was sessions an hour after that have clip i just played of trump making his case. I have now decided to recuse myself from any existing or future investigations of any matter relating in any way to the campaign for president of the United States. That change add everything and trump didnt like it. The details and private reaction get startling. Remember, trump calls mcgahn into his office, opens the conversation by saying i dont have a lawyer. Tells mcgahn he wished roy cohn was his lawyer and wanted mcgahn to convince sessions to unrecuse. Steve bannon would describe this as acting as bad as bannon had ever seen him and that he screamed at mcgahn how weak sessions was. This is all part of what the democrats want hope hicks to be forced to say in public what she knew about this. This was march 201 before trump fired comey, before rosenstein appointed mueller because when that happened, according to the evidence we have, trump lost it further. Sessions was at the white house. They were meeting about replacing comey and they get the news and mueller describes how sessions leaves to take the call from rosenstein who tells him mueller is appointed. Sessions has to tell donald trump about all this who he knows thinks its his fault. He tells the trump the news and he slumped back in his news and said, oh, my god, this is terrible. This is the end of my presidency. Im effed. Then he was angry. Lambasting sessions for the recusal and saying how could you let this happen, jeff . He asked sessions to resign and he agreed. Now, this is the stuff that democrats want to put in the public record. Keep in mind, if you believe the Mueller Reports evidence from trumps own people, this is the stuff that could have undone the presidency. There could have been a saturday night massacre. Hope hicks told mueller the only time she saul trump that upset was when the access Hollywood Tape came out. Trump appeared desperate to try to get control of the investigation as it took down his advisers and saddled him with the highest prosecution of any president at this point in their term. The sessions recusal made the effort harder, mueller probing whether trumps attacks were trying to make his life so miserable he might leave giving trump the chance to pick a new boss for mueller. So Jeff Sessions takes the job, gets into the job, recuses himself, i then have which frankly, i think is very unfair to the president. How do you take a job and then recuse yourself . If he would have recused himself before the job, i would have said, thanks, jeff, but i cant, you know, im not going to take. You this brings us to the next thing the democrats wants to put in hearings if they win the court cases because mueller finds Corey Lewandowski basically trying to get involved with trumps request to have a plot to get sessions to stop recusing. Remember lure down ski is not a Government Official and has to sell sessions he would be fired if he wouldnt meet it. After flynn pleaded guilty, trump was trying to still get sessions to unrecuse. He goes up to him after a Cabinet Meeting and says i dont know if you could unrecuse yourself and saying im not going to do anything or direct you to do anything. This is what the democrats think could make a difference if they had it in hearings with those actual witnesses. Evidence trump was trying to kneecap the probe, do whatever was helpful. After all this sessions says it still wasnt a close call. I felt i had to recuse myself. And i felt very comfortable that that was the right thing. I thought if im going to have any integrity and any respect within the department, i would have to recuse myself. Now that the report is out and weve seen the evidence of how trump tried this investigation, trying to hold everybody back from answers questions on obstruction. He also never answered them himself. You didnt answer questions on obstruction. Wait a minute, wait a minute. I did answer questions. I answered them in writing. I answered a lot of questions. They gave me questions. I answered them in writing. Not on obstruction. George, youre being a little wise guy. Which is typical for you, just so understand. Very simple. Its very simple. There was no crime. There was no collusion. There was no crime. Now, this is the heart of it. If donald trump gets what he wants, there wont be any public televised hearings which he know moves people to discuss whether there was a crime. In the case of the president , congress decides that and all of this is that it depends on whether you know whats in the report. No collusion. He said he didnt look at collusion. George, the report said no collusion. Did you read the report. Yes, i did. You should read it, too. Come on, lets go. You should read it too, george. You should read it as he gets out of the car. But we have read the report. Thats why we report from whats in it in the facts. Thats why its so interesting that donald trump has as always a public strategy that says everyone should read the report it helps me and then a private legal strategy that says no matter what, they will fight to the courts to prevent the report from being presented by the congress and yes, on television. We will stay on the facts. Coming up, weve gone deep into the crates. What the Democratic Candidates were like on their first debate stages and what it means for next week. Late tom steyer is here on impeachment. Week. 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Wednesday and thursday is the first nationally televised debates for basically 20 candidates on the stage, biden and bernie have done stuff like this before, most have not at a president ial level. They do have debate experience even if its quite local. Take a look at the archives. This is the first time ive ever run for public office. I want to be a strong public advocate who can be stand up to the mayor. We want an attorney general who has a plan. That is safer for a bicycle to be on the road and not on the sidewalk. This is an aeaxciting time t be in our business and no better time to be president. Im been very proud to represent vermont for eight years. What are we doing with all that footage . Nerding out . Not exactly. The reason we started pulling that and a lot more is to really take a look at the facts and records and the strategy of all these people including the most diverse president ial field of any party ever. So this sunday, im thrilled to tell well preview all of it in a special on msnbc. My guests will include the man who prepped obamas debate strategy which many people say worked, robert barnett. The chair of the democratic party, tom perez, Cecile Richards al sharpton and malcolm glad well, New York Times chief howell rains, 9 00 p. M. To 11 00 p. M. Were doing it live. The road to miami. Im thrilled to be part of the coverage. Sunday 9 00 p. M. , eastern. Be there. Coming up two, more democrats raising their hands and saying theyre for impeachment. Tom steyer says it may be slow motion but it looks loo i can a movement to impeach trump when we come back. Can a moveme tnto impeach trump when we come back lieve it. That i won the best of sweepstakes and i get to be in this geico commercial . Lets do the eyebrows first, just tease it a little. Slather it all over, dont hold back. Well, the squirrels followed me all the way out to california and theres a very strange badger staring at me. 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Right now, donald trump is committing crimes in the open. Congress and that means both parties must put their own political interests aside and focus on whats right for our country. If we cant trust them on this, how can we trust them about our nations biggest challenges. You make a reasonable case but a lot of people say you are losing that 75 which is where its at tonight, is still a minority of the democratic caucus. Your response . Well i think a couple of things, ari. First of all what were really focused on is trying to sbet get impeachment hearings in front of the american people. Theres a fox poll out yesterday ha says that 50 of americans even without with you televised hearings thinks the impeachment proceedings should start. The second thing is this. There is great momentum behind this. Ten more Congress People went public this week to start impeachment. But i think more than that, a ton of Congress People dont want to the go public because theyre loyal to Speaker Pelosi and they want her to be able to set the timing on this. Thats what im interested in. I want to be clear with my viewers. You know these folks. You have a lot of conversations off the record, high level. Youre putting the pressure on. Ill show folks campaign is rolling out these ads, billboards, outreach in 12 specific democratic districts. Youre putting the heat on. Are you basically telling us it is only the good will and respect of Speaker Pelosi who has served the democrats tell us her party for decades thats holding this back and if not for her, it would way, way above 74 . I think that everybody in washington, d. C. Democrats and republicans alike, know that this is the most corrupt president in american history. They know that he is unfit for office. They are watching him flounder and make mistakes and do the wrong thing every single day. And i think that democrats across the country are waiting to see how were going to proceed, but i think the question as to whether we should proceed and whether this president deserves impeachment has been pretty much asked and answered. So yeah i think its a question of you know, what is the right way to proceed at this point rather than whether. Let me ask you about some of the new materials we get. All kinds of different evidence. Donald trump claims he wants people to read the Mueller Report but of course, his entire legal separatrategy is shut it. This is Paul Manafort secretly texting with sean hannity. They want me hes talking about the mueller investigators to give up donald trump or family especially kushner. I would never do that hannity replies theres nothing to give up on trump. What did kushner do. Nothing, just like i did nothing. A jury disagreed. April 10th, hannity time to say fu and go to war, a fox anchor appearing to give private counsel strategy. Manafort yes. Hannity, thats what will happen then they will get jared and try to get potus to explode. These are known in the business as hot texts. Im curious what you think of them. I think what weve seen is we have a president who is clearly guilty. He surrounded himself and his administration and his advisers with people who are criminals and they are then constructing their defense knowing that theyre guilty trying to figure out how to basically beat the rap. That is the kind of conversation and the kind of planning that you would expect from mobsters on a tv show. So thats actually what were see. We are seeing a deliberate attempt by the president to obstruct justice in plain view, having been basically shown by the Mueller Report tore have obstructed justice virtually from his first day in office. Were seeing more of it. Its widespread. Its absolutely wrong. Last question are you hearing that mueller is going to testify in public or not. You know, im the last person to ask a question like that. Im asking you because you know how talk to. No, we really are focused on the american people. Not inside the beltway. There are plenty of people who live in washington, d. C. Im going to he will it you the same thing i call that will a talking point which is what i was getting from the trump Communications Director last night. I really dont know the. I literally dont know. This is what i was trying to say, im the last person who would know. I dont know but im the last person who would be into that kind of you know, inside the beltway gossip information. Im not. And ill just say there. I dont call it gossip. A lot of folks were not in all the rooms that youre in. You have a staff, a political organization. You know a lot of people. I think youre protesting a bit too much about being uninformed. Let me say this. What we have done from the beginning is use public sources. Thats what were doing now. 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I love having i both here. Happy friday. Were both boroughs. Im queens and hes bronx. There it is. Pete, who needs to fall back . Let me see, global warming. Global warming. And these rips. Yeah. There was a story here that some of them were just ducking a vote entirely. It makes no sense because the weather is like, you know, part of how we live on this earth. You know, i feel like its being tampered with. I feel like, you know, we get cold days when its supposed to be warm and vice versa. You know what im saying. Something is up with that. Youre convinced both from the science and your life experience. Something is up with that. And i dont think im going to talk about the difference between weather and climate because hes got the right instinct, but i think youre referring to this story in oregon where they were holding a vote to pass a Carbon Control legislation and the republicans left town because they didnt want to allow the democrats to have a quorum to pass the legislation. That is really chicken. But here the governor is cracking down trying to make them vote. And apparently the Law Enforcement can go after them and put them in the police car and take them to the legislature. Theyre allowed to do that. Thats wild, right . Its a good lesson for congress. I think it would be great if they could do that in congress. I think thats a Great Lockdown to get something done. Eleanor, im going to play a little bit of Mitch Mcconnell who i heard is on your fall back list and everyone can just remember his pelosi nickname as grim reaper. Take a look. Leader mcconnell seems to take great pride in calling himself the grim reaper. Its part haof his political campaign. Its part of the pride he takes as leader of the senate. He wants to bury, none of these things will pass. For the first time in my memory, i agree with nancy pelosi. I am indeed the grim reaper. Whoa. He thinks its a flattering name. Maybe serial killer and we can change the potomac to the river sticks. Hes killing a lot of bills. Which is different, pete, than killing bars. Yeah. You kill bars, thats a good thing. You get that, right, eleanor . I think thats a musical term, right . Yeah, it is. It is. Its about rhymes. She got it. You got it. Thats right. So you think that Mitch Mcconnell its weird to go to this is my thing. I always look for the common purpose and there are people who go to congress with different beliefs but they want to do good things. But isnt it weird to go to k congress and say im going to be a lawmaker, make laws. And your thing is proudly saying im the grim reaper, were not making any laws. Because hes in it for the power and to stay in control. Hes been very effective at throwing shade on what the democrats do. The democrats have actually passed some good legislation in the house but nobody in the country knows anything about it thanks to Mitch Mcconnell. So hes very good at his job, if you consider his job as a partisan leader. Pete, what do you think . You know, the reparations thing got me bothered when he said that. He said this is not about anyone thats living today. Right. And no one should be charged 150, 250 years later. He said that, you know, we gave you guys obama and that should make up for slavery. How did you feel looking at this youre now middleaged man and youve come through this whole great musical experience. How did you feel looking at the congress this week holding a hearing on reparations, which is a shift itself . I just thought it was nonsense, you know. I didnt feel like, you know i mean as far as, you know, what he said. What he said, right. But as far as reparations, i believe in that. I believe we should have that. Does it surprise you to see multiple democrats running for office on this . Obama was more against it. We had senator cory booker saying at least hes studying it. Well, i feel like, you know, people have to try something to see if it works, you know what im saying . And my thing is, you know, its hard for people to accept what theyre hearing and what theyre seeing on these news channels today, man, like what people are saying. Its just shocking to me, you know. Im not really heavy into politics, but i do when i do see something i dont like, ill speak on it. Well, i love having you on. I know you a little bit through this and your mom likes msnbc too. Of course. We watch the today show and all that. Shall we say shoutout to mrs. Rock . Yes. Shoutout to mrs. Rock, miss phillips, pete rocks mom. This is his birthday, by the way. You didnt tell me that. I didnt tell you todays my birthday . Thats a nice way to edged the week. Eleanor and pete rock, thank you both. You can catch us sunday night, im doing a live special 9 00 p. M. Eastern, the road to miami with a lot of special guests. This sunday 9 00 p. M. Eastern live. Dont go anywhere right now because hardball is up next. Holds your fire, lets play hardball. Good evening, im Steve Kornacki in for chris matthews. We are learning more tonight about those tense moments that could have escalated tensions with iran even further. With the president toggling between fiery rhetoric and the language of restraint. This morning President Trump tweeted that the United States had last night been cocked and