And how. It appears he lied about it on this very show. I have a fact check on that, later a key revelation inside a new york city trial showing us more about what really happened within the nypd during the very controversial killing of eric garner. A case that has sparked something of a national movement. Thats an important story. We will bring it to you along with other stories tonight. We begin right now with breaking news. It appears donald trump, jr. Has caved to congress, agreeing to appear for an interview with the Senate Intelligence committee. This comes after they pressed him with a subpoena and it comes after at least one democratic senator publicly said the president s son could face the extraordinary prospect of jail time if he did, in fact, fully defy that subpoena. All of this is new tonight and it shows its the system in this way is working. The interview is stated to be limited to about a half a dozen topics and has a time limit of about four hours. All of this coming hours after the president was trashing the whole idea that this was legitimat legitimate. [ inaudible question ] well, you know, its really a tough situation. Because my son spend i guess over 20 hours testifying about something that mueller said was 100 okay. And now they want him to testify again. I dont know why. I have no idea why. But it seems very unfair to me. No idea why. Its always interesting when someone involves an extra denial. I dont know anything about that. As for the 100 line, thats not quite the case. They did look at whether the donald trump, jr. , meeting in trump tower and the interest in this receptivity to receiving information of value potentially from a foreigner could stons tute a crime. Now could constitute a crime. Now, when they looked a this the evidence might not be enough to sustain a conviction. The president is entitled to his own views, just not his own facts of what is in the Mueller Report. The congress clearly has questions for don, jr. , that it didnt want to sweep under the rug. It appears they will get these answers in this setting. All of that sets up the next clash between this administration and congress. Because House Democrats are now setting a formal hearing date for a different trumprelated subpoena from white House Counsel don mcgahn, set for a week from today. Democrats say, if he does not show, he will be held in contempt. Weve suspend mcgahn and were expecting him to show up on the 21st and if he doesnt, he will be subject to contempt. Now, that itself the judiciary committee. Then have you Trump Lawyers facing questions from another investigative committee. The house intelligence committee. This is what they are saying. They are looking at trumps lawyers and they will dig into obstruction. They will look at whether those lawyers in their view helped obstruct the russia investigation by shaping false testimony after trumps former fixer testified that trumps lawyer helped edit his congressional testimony. He is someone who confessed to misleading congress. The other question is whether people may have been in on that intel adam schiff ready to answer subpoenas. All of this could be missing the larger headline tonight. Somebody tell me what it is. Congressional subpoenas are a very real thing. They cant just be ducked. Thats true even if in a scratch my back scratch your back type of town like baugh, even if are you the president s son. Now, don, jr. , could not run out from this subpoena, his former trump lawyer don mcgahn think he will be able to . I take that question to my panel beginning with brittany cooper, professor at rutgers university. Good to see you both. Brittany, i begin with you on the Political Science of this. Which this is not just about subpoena rules, its an innerbranch clash. What does it tell you as we come on the air tonight that don, jr. , actually buckled in the part of this clash . You know, what im more concerned about is the way that the white house is attempting to bully and subvert our separation of powers and checks and balances process. So yes, i am heartened by the fact that don, jr. Has had to submit to this process. But the fact that the Trump Administration is fighting congress at every level is all about this sort of broader problem of obstruction of justice. The Trump Administration believes that they should not be held accountable to the American People to any levels of government. There are clear indicators and evidence that significant crimes and breaches of protocol have been committed here that need to be investigated. And what should concern us all is what happens if the person who is elected to lead the country says that our processes shouldnt be respected. This undermining of our view of government creates a real crisis of confidence in the country. In addition to this battle over whether there is a crisis of constitutionality. I think there absolutely is. So im not as excited about the fact that don, jr. Will testify. Because will he do what Lindsey Graham told him to do, which is to invoke the fifth amendment . So to symbolically cooperate but fought actually cooperate. Based on the information we have, its fluid, it appears hes not looking at that theyve negotiated for hours. If your plan is im invoking the fifth. You dont need to negotiate a fourhour window, right . That assumes everyone is negotiating if good faith. There is nothing that the administration worked that tells me they respect this process and you see the president coming out saying this is all unfair. That sets up a pre text for not being participatory in ways that actually will be effective. What do you think . Well, i personal liam very excited about the testimony, but thats wearing a legal lens. I actually agree World Trade Center constitutional crisis point when you have 20 investigations that this administration is actually obstructing in congress. I think part of whats happening here is that were talking about the Senate Intel Committee and senator burr, who is actually one of the people who had a back channel to the Trump Administration basically letting them know who the fbi was looking at. I think the issue for donald trump, jr. , which does raise the question of whether or not he might invoke the fifth at least for part of the testimony. There may be categories he wouldnt invoke it and categories he would. He has made a statement to congress that he did not have awareness of other foreign governments trying to support the campaign when he had had a meeting on august 2016 with saudi arabia, united arab emirates, and then there was the conversation when i rick prince was involved with israelis. The question then becomes, how is that not perjury . That particular statement, there are other statements hes made where you can raise the question of perjury. That one seems a lot more clear than some of the others where he may be able to say, well, that wasntlie. Right. So i think thats a real issue for him. What do you think is going on the with this committee . I e blasted the republicans for a range of cooperation or worse with, as you say, the targets of the investigation. The Mueller Report clearly decided to nail, so to speak, burr for that yet, this is a situation where theyre putting heat on the president s family and what we just saw, the clip i showed to the president showed he looked a little out of the loop about what the message was and whether this was going to get solved today. Nothing new there. What is your theory for why on this thing of all things, the republicans are going hard . Well, i dont know that all the republicans are going hard. Certainly senator burr. I think one of the things weve seen is on one hand he has been a party foot soldier in terms of the back channel. But on the other hand, he also clearly did something devon nunez did not do. Which is try to adhere to some of the norms of congress and some of the boundarys around credibility of congress being able to do its job. I think you make an important point. Which is im not saying lets bake them a whole tray of cookies. Sure. But. Maybe half a cookie. In other words, their got to be were all dealing with the fact. Whatever the motivations may be. I, mile, may be a little confused about where the Senate Committee is on all of this. But their got to be some notation here maybe for their own institutional reasons they were so frustrated, according to New York Times and elsewhere, was that they were so frustrated with don, jr. Double talking eventually they said okay the heck with it. That may not be the greatest reason for constitutional oversight. But it is a reason. And its a good one in a context of a congress where you have a partisan fight about whether or not congress is going to protect its constitutional power. That should matter to both parties. I think the reason that im so skeptical is that part of what the Trump Administration has done is lower the bar on what we think needs to be celebrated or marked as a significant accomplishment. So im just not going to celebrate them for doing what theyre supposed to do, which is to comply with subpoenas to keep your word to show up and be accountable. Transparency in our government is a hallmark of what makes a democracy work. When have you an administration who is using its attorneys and using its party power in one branch of congress to subvert this entire process, when we know that there are real concerns about the integrity of our elections, the integrity of how the Trump Administration proceeded with regard to russia. When we see trump flirting with dictators in meetings all week for the last several days and essentially thumbing his nose at the process and at american values, then im not going to celebrate them. Certainly, yes, we should consider it a cap in congress to get don, jr. To do a parenting thing. Im almost seeing an oversight. Are you supposed to do your chores. You have to do more than that in this household. Let me bring a member of that body, both of you stay with me. The congressman is on the powerful ways and means committee, it was in court today. On getting trumps tax returns at the auditing side of this, there is more than one avenue, good evening to you, sir. Good to be with you, ari. How do you grade whats happening on the senate side, how important is it that don, jr. Partially folded and does that have anything to do with what your body is trying to do to get don mcgahn to come take a seat and tell the truth . I think it does. As you indicated, avoiding, refusing a congressional subpoena is a very serious matter f. Congress cannot enforce its subpoenas and do its job of oversight, then we really do have a run away president that jeopardizes and 24re9en threatens our democracy and moves us towards tyranny. What we are doing on tax returns is to enforce a law that is explicit, that uses the word shall that this administration has ignored. President trump seems to be on a total obstruction program. No one talks. No one delivers documents. We have to move forward to enforce those subpoenas and ensure accountability of which this administration has had none. It recognizes that its republican enablers here in congress, there is nothing that President Trump can do or say that will cause them to break their silence unless its to pat him on the back. Its our job to assure 2that accountability. I think you laid it out very well. Not really in disagreement, teasing at a certain point. Lets stipulate as lawyers like to do that obviously mr. Mcgahn has an obligation to comply with his subpoenas. Hes a white House Counsel, he knows that. For that reason, he should come testify. Having said that what do you say to the argument that thats not really the biggest priority for congress if the bulk of what mr. Mcgahn has said in a separate, valid proceeding under oath to mr. Mueller has been laid out and its now time for the congress to decide what, if anything, to do about it, rather than what some have called a redo. I want to give you the opportunity to address that tonight. Sure. I think we need to hear first hand from him, from bob mueller. We need these tax returns to speak for themselves about trumps background. We need that rather than just a version of that as reported by barr and now we have more of the Mueller Report, though not all of it. So, yes, its important with the taxes, of course, we dont have. So thats totally different. Right. What do you think you might learn from mr. Mcgahn thats not in the Mueller Report since you say you might . I think that we would hear, americans would hear if he testifies candidly that he was urged to engage in obstruction directly by President Trump. And i think hearing that in his words on National Television is much more powerful than just reading it in a report. We need to know about that and to understand the full reach of obstruction and destruction of our democracy thats hurt here. Mia, could you speak to the congressmans point . Part of what he is saying is yeah witnesses on the stand make a big difference. Look. When we have had an attorney general that has woven a narrative around a report that is not consistent with the word of the report, when so Many American versus fought read the report, what we need is folks to Pay Attention to what it actually said, not the headlines driven by essentially a spin. And i think what is so important what the congressman is saying in this case is that what Robert Mueller essentially says and its very clear in one of the footnotes of the report is, this is congress responsibility. This is not a criminal proceeding. The question here, he doesnt use this language exactly. Legally, its the same message, its a constitutional purview of congress to decide whether or not this president has done something thats such an abuse of authority, abuse of power that congress should take constitutional action. That is not a criminal proceeding. That is a constitutional proceeding that only congress can make, which Means Congress has to go through the process. Right. Congressman. Brittany, mia, thank you to each of you. Coming up we have a lot more on the show. Bill barr ordering this new view of the probe began saying its what trump wanted. Exclusive breakdown, key moments in the obstruction case. I have a fact check for corey lewandowski. Later, police make a revelation about the choke hold that made a nationalmemovement. Im ari melber, are you watching the beat on nmsnbc. Nmsnbc every day, visionaries are creating the future. So, every day, we put our latest technology and unrivaled network to work. 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But that doesnt mean obviously the president repeatedly said there should be goals for the doj that are widely understood to be illegal. Any effort to investigate the investigators as he is called for, for ven himful purposes will not be proper, which adds to all the suspicion. Today, trump falsely claims he did not ask for this. No, i didnt ask them to do that. It was the hoax ever person trade on the people of this country. You know what, i am so proud of our attorney general that he is looking into it. I think its great. I did not know about it. A more honest answer could be less suspicious. But the president s statements can be put aside. Wed still have the fact that barrs if you view of mueller were odd, there were two in effect. One about under surveillance, the other by the internal watchdog reviewing this case like it reviewed the clinton case. I want to get into it with our Washington Bureau chief, davidcoen. We should note both as a matter of expertise and as a matter of full disclosure you have also been cited as one of the sources in some of the under surveillance material the government found is practice believed to be lawful under surveillance. Good evening. Actually i was cited as a source. Was it go ahead, explain. Well, it doesnt matter how much time you have . Briefly. The steel document, the memos in those warrants, while noting that there is reason to be suspicious origins, but that was not my story. It was the steele memos, themselves. The steele memos you wrote about. Since i brought it up, lets get it clear, you are saying the actual material submitted to the court did not right, that came out before my story came out. You were close to it. I was close to it. That i think is a matter of interest. Because you have been all over this. So i wonder if you can answer on the one hand nobody is saying durham is believed to be a left wing nut of any kind. Yet this seems close to what hannity and trump have been asking for. Its exactly what they have been asking for. For years now we had trump and this kotdery of conspiracy theorists saying the issue isnt that russia attacked. The issue isnt that the Trump Campaign denied the russian attack and sent signals to russia by meeting with russian emissaries, we dont mind if you intervene. No, thats not the issue. The issue is how did this all begin . How did this investigate . It all comes back to this notion somehow there was a deep state conspiracy early on in the campaign when no one thought trump would even win to deny trump the presidency. That this deep state conspiracy was so important, then why was none of this leaked before the election . There is a lot of logical inconsistent sis here. But the bottom line is, is that whether its hannity or the republicans the congress or the president in the white house, themselves, they dont want us to focus on the russian attack and how trump basically helped it by claiming that the attack wasnt happening. Right. What do you think barr is doing here . Do you think he is kicking the can down the road to sayoc, order another thing or do you have reason to believe or concern that this could be a mechanism to as discussed, investigators, to basically create backlash to them doing their jobs in a probe that as you and i have noted before seemed to work because it caught a lot of felonies. Well, i think its all of the above. I think this is a part of the distraction that barr go along with. It comes from the president. But he went along with it when he said there is no collusion and there was no obstruction. He falsely said that trump cooperated fully with mueller, which we know is not true. So he kept creating these distractions and i think this is yet another one, so, even though the report comes out, the Mueller Report, that shows the president misled the public about the attack and started to benefit from it and lied about his dealings with russia while his attorney negotiate a deal, all these tremendous scandals within scandals, he is out there saying, no, we need to look at the investigators what it does do as you alluded to there, ari, it creates a Chilling Effect for the fbi. Would you want to open an investigation with trump, or anyone on the republican side right now knowing that you could then become investigated yourself . Thats an important point, you are saying even if this doesnt go anywhere and durhams folks and the doj are quick to say its not an inquiry at this juncture, he sets a vibe of hey there are people who are prosecutors. That i have a lot of power, who are standing around saying, hey, were going to look at anyone to gets too close to this, because you know, it could be misconduct. So it sort of shifts it. It would be interesting if that was the way Civil Liberties operated throughout the country that if you had this in every Police Department in the country, which my point being you dont. You take a listen last night, sean hannity on his view of all this. Take a look. This is huge news, aco lassal step forward for equal justice and application under our laws. Its what we have been telling sui a big part of what is coming. Now, if you are counting. This is now the third investigation into the deep state taking place in barrs doj. David. Well, were not up to 17 benghazi investigations yet. Everybody involved in this, even a few responsible members on the senate side republicans, at least at one point said there was a reason to investigate the connections through the Trump Campaign interactions and russians after they got information from george p papadopoul papadopoulos, who has been a guest here, saying the russians had dirt on Hillary Clinton. This set off alarm bells, james baker recently came out and said we were concerned about russia. We do this. This is what the fbi does. So what do you say as a final thought to folks who are watching this, theyre saying david makes good points, hannity seems to be cheering this on. There was a sustained effort by donald trump during the Mueller Probe to get the doj to a place he wanted and it looks, according to hannity much closer to that. What do you say to people who are despondent about that . Dont take your eye off the big picture. Which is what happened in 2016 and trumps aiding and abetting of it. Yes, everything should be investigated. There is an ig inquiry now. I would wait to see what that says. The idea that this is the bigger story. This is the deep state is attacking trump in july of 2016. At some point we need to have a realitybased debate in this country and you dont get that by listening to sean hannity or, unfortunately, the president and now even the attorney general. You know, david, you always tend to get insightful and here at the end i feel like you are taking us to an emotional place, which you cant have closure without truth. Well, i dont think this country has fully come to terms with what happened in 2016 and one reason is that donald trump and the people around him and his defenders on fox dont want us to. David cohc cocoen, getting y insight. The eric garner national movement. There is a trial revelation we want to you know ability. First inside the Mueller Report, how donald trump was plotting with a former aide to undercut the probe and a fact check he needs to hear when im back in 30. He needs to hear when im back in 30 music throughout in other news tonight, House Democrats bearing down on whether team trump tried to obstruct the congressional probe which echos the outline in the Mueller Report, itself. democrats that say the report proves enough crime to begin impeachment hearings. Senator warren takes that view. Others say its time to hear from muellers sources, hence this escalating fight over whether don mcgahn with testify. The Mueller Report cites trumps dealings with priebus and trump moved can he reach beyond those federal employees who had many of their own reasons to avoid joining in a potential criminal conspira conspiracy. So tonight i want to dig into the facts that show actually how far donald trump would go. Because when some of those aides refuse to carry out his bidding. Trump turned to someone off the government payroll entirely, his former and First Campaign manager corey lewandowski. So this takes you all the way back to after don mcgahn, famously refused to fire bob mueller despite the president s orders in june, 2017. It may have saved the trump presidency. The Mueller Reports after that trump didnt stop, let up. He turned to lewandowski out of government asking him to press sessions into a speech to declare trump shouldnt have a special prosecutor and session would have to then quote limit his jurisdiction. Thats a big ask, lewandowski failed to meet up with sessions, then trump pressed him in another private meeting a month later, saying if he did not meet with him, lewandowski should tell him, he was fired. What . I mean, you dont have to be an expert at this to know that cabinet members are not supervised let alone fired by random people outside the government that may know the president. Lewandowski knew that, too. He did look into china delivering trumps message. He worried about getting caught. Mueller writing lewandowski wanted to pass the message to sessions in person rather than over the phone, not ought the doj. He did not want a public log of his visit. Meaning he was feeling guilty. Now, mueller found that lewandowski never did send a message, partly because of what i just read to you. Those efforts made it harder to pull off the plot. Like so much in the Mueller Report, this incriminates material is not from trump critics or random outsiders. The footnotes are mostly luan vp lewandowski and john kelly and other evidence. So these are the receipts of that plot. This looks like bad news for mr. Lewandowski who has actually appeared on this show several times. One time in february i specifically pressed him to answer if President Trump asked him to ever get involved with session or the doj probe. This is important. I dont ever remember the president ever asking me to get involved with Jeff Sessions or the department of justice in anyway, shape or form ever. Ever. Anyway shape or form. Blanket denial. Thats obviously not true. Lewandowski did remember it. Under penalty of perjury, he remembered trump asking him to get involved with sessions in so much detail it was ten months earlier he was telling lounge do you ski about it. So he was not making a false statement in our interview, he was making it knowing he had already told mueller the option. So there were good odds that that testimony about all of this, about what trump asked him to do with sessions would later come out. So i ask you tonight, why would he catch himself in a falsehood like that . Im asking you, because when we asked mr. Lewandowski to explain himself, or come back on this show, he has not responded. So let me go ahead and go forward. One clue here comes in how donald trump learns about what his aides say about him to mueller. Because the New York Times reports the president hasnt read the Mueller Report, himself, witnesses know, his view of them depends on how they and their mueller testimony is ultimately portrayed on tv. Now, corey luan do you ki knows trumps habits better than most. From the start, he may have calculated he could stay on Donald Trumps better side on tv while telling the truth about his old boss, his efforts to thwart the probe to mueller. So just think about that for a minute. The man that ran Donald Trumps president ial campaign may con clued he owes bob mueller the truth but can get away with deceiving his own old boss donald trump that he says she so loyal to and lewandowski may figure hell continue the get away with it as long as the Mueller Report is basically never covered on television. Which means lounge do you ski hopes the president is not watching this newscast and never hears about it. If the president were to hear about it. It appears, unless mr. Lounge do you ski calls us back. Hes willing to tell him the truth. Hed know theyd continue to use television not to promote him. Although they do that but to manipulate him. That seems like the kind of thing the president might have an interest in knowing. Now, still ahead tonight, don, jr. Did cave to congress on the subpoena there. What will it mean when he actually testifies . And why is he backtracking . We have an expert on that and then major revelations about what is deemed an illegal chokehold from inside the nypd. This is a reckoning five years of mr. Garners tragic death. We have someone involved in all of this here tonight. We have someone involved in all of this here tonight every curve, every innovation, every feeling. A product of mastery. Lease the 2019 es 350 for 379 a month for 36 months. Experience amazing at your lexus dealer. But i can tell you Liberty Mutual customized my Car Insurance so i only pay for what i need. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 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Initially, there were no internal charges, in fact, the officer is still getting paid. The civilian Complaint Review board is reviewing the case. They have internal investigators that revealed they actually determined that that officer was using a forbidden choke hol on garner. They recommended disciplinary charges on him back in 2015. Eric garner was a 34yearold father of six. He got into a struggle with these officers as you can see here over a dispute about whether he was selling loose cigarettes in new york. What started as you see here with a conversation turned into what many people characterize as a classic example of police brutality. I was minding my business, officer. Im minding my business. Please, just leave me alone. I told you the last time, just leave me alone. Dont touch me. Dont touch me. Hey, man. Put your hand behind your back right now. I cant breathe. I cant breathe. I cant breathe. I cant breathe. I cant breathe. I cant breathe. I cant breathe. Garner was ultimately heard saying i cant breathe 11 times. You may recall that phase or part of this video. Because it became something of a rally cry for many activists raising awareness about police brutality. Garners mother is speaking out. Its been five years. Five years they should have been gone. Pantaleo along with all the other officers who killed my son. He must be fired. We will not accept any other option. I am joined by mia wiley, an attorney and msnbc analyst and in charge of the new york Complaint Review board in 2016, that is the Oversight Agency dealing with the case. Thanks for coming back to discuss this. I know its something you worked on. Walk us through what is important about this revelation. Well, we have to deal in this society with this question about how do you police the police . And really there are a couple different mechanisms available to us. One which is the long standing one is the internal affairs bureau. Which is are the Police Inside the Police Department who receive complaints and run investigations on officers who may have done wrong . What we have in new york city is 21 of the oldest civilian Complaint Review boards, where citizens or witnesses, you dont have to be a victim yourself, can file a complaint and say a Police Officer did wrong and it falls within your jurisdiction and we can investigate. The reason this is so important is because it was the ability of having separate civilian oversight that enabled this case to finally come to trial this week. And you are saying that as in contrast to what happened with the initial da prosecution or review, walk us through what you mean by that. So, in Staten Island, you had, of course, the question of whether or not a crime was committed by pantaleo, officer pantaleo and the grand jury returned no indictment. So then the question becomes, does the Police Department keep pantaleo or discipline him, which can include termination as its most serious, of course, the question that becomes who provides that oversight, one of the things that people tend to get confused about is as a matter of practice, not requirement, but of practice, if there is a possibility of a prosecution, we usually wait for that process, because we dont want to do anything that might interfere with it. And so in this case, we had the department of justice as at the federal level examining whether there was a criminal civil rights violation after the Staten IslandDistrict Attorney did not. Which is an even higher bar, because it gets into elicit motive. Correct. A lot of Law Enforcement experts look at that tape. Before you get to questions of motive, it looks like improper policing that escalated and choked someone to death who was unarmed. I think you can take it a step further, because i was counsel to the mayor in city hall when this happened and attended the press conference with the mayor and then commissioner bill bratton, who acknowledged in that press conference that it appeared to be a violation of the departments policy which forbids chokeholds unless there is some exceptional circumstances. We have a video that does not seem to identify any exceptional circumstanc circumstances. You could go one step further, i dont know if you notice it in the video, tflgs an important fact in the trial this week, there are sirens in the background, because backup was coming. So, the fact that officer pantaleo goes to a chokehold with a civilian whose hands are up who is backing away, in other words, not posing any physical threat to the officer, there is no allegation he was armed. Right. And backup is coming. Then he physically jumps and wraps his arm around. And so a final question, given how much work you have done on this, what do you say the concern that people have something that is this egregious on tape years later still has the officer working to say nothing of criminal accountability . Well, let me Say Something more broadly than this particular case, because i think one of the things thats tragic is a puig Research Study found that Police Officers, themselves, only 27 said that there was appropriate action taken for police wrongdoing and thats the broad variety of wrongdoing. I think if were hearing that Police Officers, themselves, throughout the country, are acknowledging that there is not sufficient accountability for misduct, thats something is that we have to Pay Attention to. Mia wiley, thank you for your work on this and expertise. We have a lot more on the show. Well be right back. Xpertise we have a lot more on the show well be right back. Like those from buddy. Live claritin clear. 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Interesting that you put it that way and it may be the best legal avenue he has. We do have some idea what he could be concerned about. You can obstruct even without underlying crime. Here we see in his Senate Testimony that we have did you inform your father about the trump tower meeting or the underlying offer prior to the meeting . No, i did not. Now in the Mueller Report, in the treatment of conspiracy volume one cohen recalling being in Trumps Office in june and trump junior told his father a meeting about clinton was going forward. Your analysis . Well, here is the thing, ari, when i was the prosecutor for almost 30 years and had a witness who testified under oath like donald trump jr. Has and then i called them back after many hours of testimony and after providing documents, theres one major reason why i did that. I found a document or documents that strongly suggest what he said under oath was not accurate. Possibly perjurious. I have to say this. Probably the only two politician in washington, d. C. , who are actually working together and across the aisle are senator mark warner and senator richard burr. And they didnt just issue this subpoena. They discussed it and came to an agreement that we need donald trump jr. Back because theres information he provided to that committee under oath that is probably opposed and contrary to documents that show he may not have told the truth. What about the one i just told you . Does that look perjurous to you, or do you need more context to tell . That is probably not a slam dunk perjury charge based on what you showed me but it does show an intent possibly to deceive, to obstruct and to obfusca obfuscate. Similar to what weve been hearing by certain individuals in the department of justice. Yeah. Gene rossi, you make good points and its interesting to see this on a bipartisan basis and shreds a lot of the legal, maybe the trump family should say no, as what mueller found and nothing else. 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