It was ultimate live dropply dr. But donald trump was out threatening people with this very policy today. Well bring them to sanctuary city areas and let that particular area take care of it. California certainly is always saying, oh, we want more people. They want more people in their sanctuary cities. Well give them more people. We can give them a lot. We can give them an unlimited supply. Lets see if theyre so happy. Theyre always saying they have open arms. Lets see if they have open arms. This move to pressure immigration authorities into releasing migrant detainees into the sanctuary cities is seen as a quite blatant and potentially unlawful way to use the notion of distributing migrants or border policy to punish your political opponents. It doesnt mean everyone agrees its punishment but its clearly targeted that way, including speaker pelosi. Saying it was to, quote, seasoned a message to democrats. Its obviously only the latest i incidence of this president clashing with the law. In a similar vein, donald trump telling people he would need to close the border and he would pardon him if he was ever jailed for violating these laws and rules. Its important to keep in mind, pardons are criminals. All of this comes in a widing c wider context, that you probably know about, Donald Trumps own attorney general under fire for his testimony under oath before congress. He was professional claiming to lawmakers that, first of all, he didnt think there was an obstruction case to be found before the Mueller Report before it was even released and then saying in very provocative language when he referred to the lawful surveillance and oversight that occurred in 2016, well, the attorney general is now in a trump tweet style calling it, quote, spying. He didnt release any evidence for that. Bloomberg is saying that barr has basically become trumps roy cohn, criticizing him for not standing up to trump, shielding him from the rule of law and in their view following down on his oob obligations for attorney general. This blood bath is a very real issue. So there are reactions to the whole range of elements of this power grab. Some call it an abuse of power with donald trump trying to weaponize the federal government for what he calls political purposes. So this is the type of thing that in the nixon era we often heard about behind closed doors and it would leak later. In the current era, a lot of this comes out loud and from the top. This was an attempted coup, an attempted takedown archpresident. We have bad laws, so were fighting the bad laws. We have the worst laws of any country anywhere in the world. We know what one coequal branch of congress thinks about this, at least on the democratic side and to be clear some republican pushback. But what about the judges . They generally have to bawait a rule on individual cases. But judges can also speak about what theyre seeing. This was a speech out yesterday where a judge was accepting a pretty prestigious award, the second africanamerican judge ever appointed in mississippi o historically with the kkk and segregationists. Now we are eyewitnesses to the third great assault on our judiciary. When politicians attack the courts, its dangerous, political. You can hear the klans lawyers assailing officers of courts across the south. When the executive branch calls our courts in their words stupid, horrible, ridiculous, one federal judge was called very biased and unfair because he is of mexican heritage. I didnt know if i was in 1967 or 2017. We must do more to defend our bench. Im joined now by matt miller, victoria defrancesco, and christina greer. Christina, i wonder what you think of a federal judge speaking carefully, youll notice it was not a politicalstyle disagreement with the president , but an observation that i want to quote carefully, quote, i did not know if it was 1967 or 2017. We must do more to defend our bench. Right. So ive always said the one thing that keeps me up at night is the u. S. Census. Ive ordered another one and its the courts. What is worrisome to myself, some judges and a lot of american citizens is that the politicization from the president and his administration on to the courts at all levels is really dangerous and it will have really longstanding effects. The rate at which hes appointing judges who have very right leaning, some might say national supremacist leanings and are very articulate about the way this feel the future should go in a very specific 196 1967 ist vein. Depending on what level theyre in, so many cases get bumped up to them based on how judges rule on cases. When we have trump essentially stacking the courts with hyper conservative justices who worship the president and not the u. S. Constitution, i think that is the most dangerous and longstanding. If we can survive a trump presidency, i think the longstandings effects of the Judiciary Branch based on the executive branch will weaken our democracy for unfortunately im afraid decades to come. How do you view that concern in the context of the hollowing out and pressure on dhs this week . Were seeing the president running rough shod on a whole host of institutions. Hes not getting his way in congress. The majority leader allowing him to get judges confirmed in a quicker time period. But then what were seeing is hes trying to stack the kourlgts and now when it comes to the bureaucracy and the rules and the mundane procedures that have been placed in our bureaucratic institutions, hes saying i dont like that youre not doing what i want to you do so im just going to fire you. You have nielsen, grady, vitiello, you have the services you have these the president dangling a pardon. Ive never heard of anything like that. Its every institution. He keeps getting blocked at different places. Hes just going to go down the line until he gets what he wants. Now hes saying hes going to do whatever we wants, no matter what the Legal Department says. Hes going to taking my grants and ship them across the country because thats what underscoring mi federal, hes going to find a way to circumvent it. Mat . I think were at a very dangerous time right now in the trump presidency. One reason is the surge in immigration at the border and i think you combine that with the end of the mule are investigation and at least so far trump thinking hes been able to interfew with all the dress aif i. So i think he feels aly little bit unleashed. So hes backed into himself owner on like like he is unconstrained. You have a president appropriationing the where he does feel like he can act free of consequences. Its a very important for the country. To go further, at a nonpartisan level, which can be difficult given how political the is the is a buffer. So even very partisan president s have been told by their own aids, yes, i agree, were partisan boughty the lack of the experience of this president combined with his choice to do this stuff, literally a right wing oil. When the president would say, well, heres what i want to do and heres how i want to do it and id have to say to him, well, mr. President , i understand what you want to do but you cant do it that way. It violates the law, it violates treaty. He got really frustrated. Matt. I think what hes doing at dhs reminds me of where hes putting privately. He continued to attack them publicly frsh stopped. At dhs its bun pushing for not just intrip things but for legal things. When now you have the new acting the new acting dhs director, its okay if you break the law. I want you to break the law and if you do it, if you go to hes trying to find a way around that i do feel like if there arent any consequences for it. Hes going to keep. Youing and pushing. How do you put this into your way that is what were talking about here goes all the way back to sheriff joe arpaio, who got the very first pardon. Hes breaking all these rules, flaunting tradition and rules and what not, but he keeps up that twitter feed and keeps throwing red may to remember, he came to dream the swamp and hes kwebt canting the swamp with our existing institutions. He also using it as are the wreck to built story. Another area ecant dismiss is the public and they look himself i guess the question is who is he shooting at and is it illegal . Take a listen to an exchange here with senator cory booker on all of this pad he said him if he were sent to jail, that he would pardon him. Your reaction to that, that should shake every american and that he will pardon you. Again, were sitting in newark where kids are doing things, and nobodys pardoning them. I agree with my fellow political scientist fundamentally. I think whats so dangerous is that the base and members of this administration and far too many members of the Republican Party are fine with letting donald trump say im going to break the law and well see what doanyone who has ever looked at a map knows that geographically impossible. The so this local state partnership. Unfortunately, there are far too Many Americans who look at these families at the border and they dont see human beings. This is and when he talks on twitter, he even though he is a child of an immigrant, four of his pief children are skrirn of an they say if dough didnt want to have their children taken from them, then they vunt have come. So theres a lack of 00 p humanity, which unfortunately this president is making normal, which is really unacceptable, dangerous and antithetical to what the there are all sorts of thing. The our own relatively sometimes draconian system as the just as a footnote, we have a long history of separating children from their families, 400 years of tattle. Thats part of the court system. Exactly. So one would hope and pray that weve evolved as a nation. We have a very dark past in this nation. So if we listen to our better angels and try and follow what they wrote down on paper, then one would hope that donald trump would see that. But he doesnt and he does not understand his role in the leader of the executive of this nation. Christinia victoria and matt miller, i talk to each of you. Coming up muellers past boss and superadvise ev supervisor w report. Later we will reveal how trumps education secretary is accused of using children as not only props but slashing Literacy Programs. 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Remember, i got elected last time, the same exact issue, with the same intensity, which wasnt very much because, frankly, the people dont care. The people dont care or as were seeing in many of these states around the country, 18 of them have introduced these kind of bills where they apparently do care. Washington state passed its own version in the state senate. It heads to the house and the governor told us hell pass it, sign it, if it gets there. If you look for electoral votes, the political is 54 Electoral College votes, were talking about something significant. These moves arent just coming from progressives in the states. Look at congress. You have democrats pushing rad k radical election reform. All of it adds up to a big debate about bold ideas. Im joined by Clarence Page from the Chicago Tribune and well weeks could expect court fights. President trump likes court fights. He has said so in the past. We can see how many times we mentioned the term constitutional crisis. Theres so many of these crises happening that theyve become almost routine. There will be a big question about that. But as weve heard so many times, the states run elections, not the federal government. So what the states decide has tremendous weight that goes back to the birth of this country. I think the president is going to have a heck of a challenge trying to overcome that resistance. Zerlina . As we head into 2020, all the questions about his finances that are being investigated require transparency. We have to make sure you dont have financial ties to foreign governments, for example, that would change your Public Policy making as a result. I think that sounds logical, it makes sense. But what if in a different cycle you worked for hillary clinton. What if someone was saying we want to see all her personal emails, including the ones segregated in the infamous email review. What would you say to that . I think there is a distinction between personal emails, which are protected by passwords and your tax returns. Tax returns is something there is precedenscedent for releasin. The tax returns are protected under federal criminal law. Theres no other law requiring their release. I think there may be good rebut ls but are democrats looking like theyre try oing do a selective effort to kick him off the ballot . I think that theres also the same pressure put on democrats who are running for president , right . So were also putting that requirement on to our own candidates and saying you should release your tax returns beca e because. I would say the argument from the democratic perspective is that were requiring democrats to do this as well. So its not something thats just trying to get trump off the ballot. Its not a bill of attainer, if you will. Take a look at all of the different Democratic Candidates right now who want to scrap the Electoral College. As a longtime student of politi politics, have you ever seen that . Not specifically. But what i have seen is the losing party seems to have a lot of spirit for changing the way elections are held, the way theyre run, whether its gerrymandering or electoral votes. Inevitably the next election or the next one, we find whatever rule changes theyve made have back fired against them. Obviously the system is lopsided right now but at the same time the Electoral College was designed to protect the smaller states, protect their rights. So whatever rang happens has to try to equalize matters. Its very hard to do that in a way thats going to stick around for very long. And depending on where the change comes, its not confined to one party. It was the outrage on the democratic side with all of the party issues in 68 that led relying to the iowa caucus and do you see anything like that that could be a contagion or would affect both parties here . Thats a good question because i havent seen our politics as polarized as they are now. You look at new york and california, nobody secretaries us to go republican, any more than mississippi and alabama are going to go democrat. So that can make a big difference there insofar and longlast being effect the but folks have been really hopping mad over the lk tral college, since at least 2000. There is the whole thing to clarences point and you travel abroad. Its hard to even explain to people. I think what democrats are doing now is important. Its not that theres a shot to abolish there is legislation out there. But i think the democrats are talking about structural changes to our political system that makes it more fair so each individual has more say. The Electoral College is saying the people in california dont have as much of a say to the outcome as do people who live in iowa, for example. Is that fair . Is that representative, which is basically all white who the moms are going to be New Hampshire and again is predominantly white. I think democrats are talking about structural changes. Do i know but i this the conversation is important, but also getting money out of politics. Theyre talking about a lot of systemic changes that, you know, activists have been talking about for a long time and finally now president ial candidates are doing the same. You make an insightful course course and were in this early stage, weve got this large feet. When woo come back in 30 seconds, why is Rod Rosenstein hinting whats in the Mueller Report. Stay with us. Report stay with us your Car Insurance, so you only pay for what you need. Nice but uh, whats up with your partner . Oh we just spend all day telling everyone how we customize Car Insurance because no two people are alike, so. Limu gets a little confused when he sees another bird that looks exactly like him. Ya. Hell figure it out. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. The Justice Department says the Mueller Report is on track to still come out next week. A lot of people waiting for that. But rather than let the report speak for itself in this crucial several days before it comes out, theres another top trump appointee at the Justice Department speaking out a little bit. Muellers former boss Rod Rosenstein and hes defending his new boss, bill barr, for how mr. Barr depicted some of muellers findings saying, hes being as forthcoming as he can so this notion hes trying to mislead people is just completely bizarre. Most people now know that barr did take the unusual step of announcing his own views beyond mueller. And thats not all. Again, i dont know why theyre doing this. As a reporter, its interesting but he just offered his own informal preview of what might be in the report. Telling a small group of people to remember the probe was centered on cyber crimes. That was at a lunch with leaked to bloomberg. Hes defending himself because bar name checked him in a letter about the analysis. Of course rosensteins involvement in that conclusion is potentially conflicted. At best hes a witness in the obstruction case. Because remember, he came to work for trump and wrote the memo providing the presext to fire story, there are critics who say im joined now by former federal prosecutor john flannery. I need your help. Just walking through a fact youll history was kind of a mouth full. High a and is there anything wrong here in your view . Well, yes, certainly. I sort of think of them as a nested russian lacki dolls, one supporting each other. You had bar the other day saying i dont want to talk about the letter and then you have rosen stein get out and it looks look the Justice Department is so just spoiled now that the rhetoric in which you have barr testifying, hes krernd about i almost think its a freudian slip because theyre still concerned about pfizer and theyre concerned about page and they want us all to overlook what flynn and jared did and man i fore, all i want to get we continue to have obstruction and were having it in a larger way. The house is making a mistake not passings resolution, not aski asking were not making that arguments. We wring our hand and then we dont do the things we should do when we believe what were saying and calling out the wrong action. You cant win a legal argument you dont make. Is that a court shots you dont take . Well, there is that any time that up lead in doubt or you sort of acquiesce. Is it striking to you that he seems to be an official who takes on some of the qualities of those around him . Because he was muellers boss. So if theory, he didnt and was more assertive. And now with he can do whatever he wants, but in his the guts that some people seem to have that we celebrated and i dont want the full and fair investigation is gone away. And it stopped at the waters of trump and his family and finances. And what will tell us more in the days or years ahead is what really happened here. Because something happened. And more conversation with those special counsel who left office, those who hoose there defending himself and i believe the pressures enormous, even to have the conversation is there was a quote that it was not the prz as inters thats that not an inferential hop, given what we are told by what mule are found and his words and that freg m t mant we always benefit from his insight. Thanks for joining us tonight. Thank you. 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The trump devos budget calls for cuts for after School Activities and children who need help who live in impoverished communities. Over 8 billion, a 12 cut. Democrats also confronting her for rescinding obama era guidance that would protect transjegender students. Did you know when you rolled back the guidance that it can lead to i did know that but o. C. R. Is committed to ensuring all students have access to their educati education. Take a look at this exchange. Do you realize that it is your responsibility to educate every child in the United States . Its my responsibility to be the secretary its a yes or no, madam secretary. Its my responsibility to is that a yes or is that a no . Youre very good at evading. Thats a really simple question. That part is not supposed to be the hard part. Now a week ago you may recall that we covered in a different hearing House Democrats using their Oversight Authority to press devos on those plans on the Trump Administration and her department to slash funding for special olympics. Well, their work, the pressure, whatever else, it changed things. Facts matter and the Trump Administration backed down to restore that money. Democrats are saying that this pressure, this oversight could do that again. Theyre calling on the white house to back down on these cuts to Literacy Programs for students across america. Tonight what you see again on education, an area you dont see donald trump tweet as much about, maybe he doesnt want these stories in the news, is a revealing of priorities, of, yes, values on the issue of how we treat, and how we educate and protect americas children. So we wanted to tell you about that but it has been a long week. And before we go, coming up next, it is time to fallback. Stay with us. 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What a great fallback we have there. This is the mother of all fallbacks. Who is the father . Thats a good question. Youre the dad. Well, i do tell dad jokes. I love your music, love that youre here. Who needs to fall back . Lori loughlin, the nerve of her to think she should let her privilege have her signing autographs outside of court. She should be ashamed of herself. She should fall all the way back. So youre saying if you were going there to face charges of helping your kid steal other students seats, you shouldnt sign autographs . She should have out. Its aunt becky. Its very disappointing. As a former fan of becky, its been a fall from grace for me personally. Who is on your list . Julian assange and that weird white beard of his. He should fall back right to prison. Sorry. As a novelist, what do you see in the story here . People these days think its cool to work with russian intelligence, because you get to slowly poison people with biological weapons and the pay is pretty good but its not super cool. Youre helping out this fascist russian regime. I partly disagree with you because of the way theyre pursuing a publisher. I do agree with you the beard is suspect. Who needs to fall back . Liz . Paul ryan needs to fall back. He was very crushed when he gave unsolicited advice to aoc and she apparently did not listen. Paul ryan giving advice about how to give advice to a politician is like saying d. J. Khaled is the best rap arperapp . He makes good music. My fallback is a good one. Take a look at the first ever space photograph of a black hole we got last week. Now youre seeing it literally for the first time ever. This could be the top news story of the year. I want the black hole to fall back. Its six billion times the mass of the sun and if you get too close to it, it will devour your final planet. 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