It goes right at what roger stone prizes most, his ability to make his case in public. This federal judge finding mueller won the arguments for a partial gag order. That means it bans stone and his lawyers from public remarks that would prejudice jurors as well as even talking at all when they come and go from the court. Anyone watching stones recent conduct knows that will require him to change gears or go to jail. Because roger stone has been doing those exact things since being indicted for witness tampering, talking in front of the court, doing media tours and likening the fbi to, quote, nazi police in these media appearances. Thats the kind of thing that could prejudice jurors. To storm my house with a greater force than what used to take down bin laden or el chapo or pablo escobar. They sent fewer men to go after bin laden than after me. I saw a dozen other fbi agents in the background, all wearing night goggles, full s. W. A. T. Gear. To make me look guilty in public, to poison the jury pool and make me look like el chapo or some kind of drug kingpin. El chapo and escobar. Theres an old saying, escobar season has begun. Well tonight, escobar season just ended with a gag order. So thats one famous trump narrator gagged. We learned today as well that his current narrator in the white house also faced bob muellers team. This is the first time we have ever reported this. White House Press SecretarySarah Huckabee sanders was interviewed by muellers prosecutors. This is coming out now. It occurred in the fall, a period when prosecutors spoke to other white house heavyweights including john kelly. Reports are that muellers team may be interested in what sanders knew about the trump tower coverup story and if what she told the public may differ from what she says when she is effectively under oath. I am joined by someone who is really perfect to discuss all of this with, john carlin was chief of staff to bob mueller. Im also joined by former federal prosecutor gene rossi and Melissa Murray, a law professor at nyu. Thanks to each of you. On the mueller piece, each of you are legal experts in various ways, but on the mueller piece, john carlin, what would bob mueller want to know from this person who plays a spokesperson role . Would she have the juice on anything else . Well, i think you need to ask and expect them to thoroughly and diligently investigate the facts as they have to ask her, often the person in that role is privy to conversations with the principali principaling principals inside the white house. So its an opportunity to learn what did she know before she made certain public statements that might appear to be designed to influence people outside of the white house and explore what the basis was for those statements. Interesting when you put it like that. Lets take a look then at some of what she was saying about all of this controversy. The statement that don jr. Issued is true. Theres no inaccuracy in the statement. He certainly didnt dictate. The outside counsel did weigh in saying that, yes, the president did dictate the statement. Do you want to correct the record on your statement from august when you said he certainly didnt dictate . Once again, im not going to go into detail. That may have been a safe answer. Would that answer suffice when shes in this mueller Interrogation Room . Well, i think thats a great example of where no, it would not suffice, and where they could go into detail to see what the basis was for her original statement. Was it part of some plan to obstruct or hide what the real purpose of the meeting was for . Or was it something that she came up with on her own . The only way to know is to put someone to the test. If theres one thing you know about the mueller team to date is that if you are going to go in and answer questions that you need to do so truthfully and completely because they already have gathered a lot of information, and theyre quite prepared to bring charges if you intentionally state falsehoods to the investigators or the grand jury. Gene . All i can say is, to quote you, ari, mo mueller, mo problems. I was quoting someone else, but i take your point. I know, and i hate to be facetious, but ill be serious. John hit the nail on the head. I had a witness in the manafort trial, and let me tell you this. We went through five prep sessions. They have every email. They have every text. They have talked to multiple witnesses, and for Sarah Huckabee sanders to be interviewed by mueller is a bad day at the white house. Period. And there are a couple reasons why. One, executive privilege goes out the window because shes out there being a spokesperson for the president , and hes giving her information that is intended for the public, no privilege. Lets pause on that. Youre rifling through them, but thats such an interesting point you raise. I didnt even mention in our introduction there are people who at least have some claim to executive privilege and you can fight over it. Youre saying she might be a valuable witness beyond some of the others because its not a fight. She doesnt have that private role. Shes only there to emit. Absolutely. I used to do criminal tax cases and civil tax cases. A lot of the taxpayers had attorneys. But when those attorneys would talk to the irs, its not privileged what the client said to the attorney. The same principle applies here. Thats deep trouble for the president of the United States, period. And gene, do you know the longer version of that quoted chorus that we just discussed . The mo mueller we come across, the mo problems we see. Oh, boy. Its friday, so we can get in deeper. Melissa, you look at all this. Thats just on the Mueller Probe gathering information. Then you have the hammer being dropped on Paul Manafort. I dont think this has fully sunk in. We have been covering it on the show and will continue to cover it. You could have the number one guy on the campaign in jail for the rest of his life. This is a big deal, the immediate sentencing of Paul Manafort shifts things. Things are heating up. We said this last week when we talked about the Mueller Probe. But, again, youre right, mo mueller, mo problems. When you look at that and him wanting to immediately get this done, what else is there . Because this is the only case, Paul Manafort, where the prosecutors have talked about the prospect of someone angling for a pardon. Theres a big difference between everyone else. We all sit here, we pay close attention. We talk. Sometimes people have conjecture. This isnt that. This was for whatever reason, as part of the case they were building, which they won on 3 of 5 lies, saying they thought he was angling for the pardon, which means of course he could get an effective life sentence and still be angling. So asking for a sentence at this point i think speaks to one the anger over what Paul Manafort has done. I mean, its unorthodox to be cooperating with the government and then to be angling for a pardon at the same time and perhaps misstating things in order to acquire that pardon. Theres definitely that. Also, this is definitely building up in terms of who else might be implicated, and getting Paul Manafort off the table and into a cell is a way of sort of clearing room to Start Talking about some of the other people. Do you think donald trump who clearly flouts all kinds of rules, he did it on this socalled emergency, looks at all this and says maybe ill pardon him sooner. I dont need to wait until the end of the probe . Like in irancontra. There is nothing about this president that goes by the book unless the book is autocracy for dummies, but anything is possible. I have never seen anything like today. Do you think it shows that theres some limitation on him . Somebody is giving him some advice, not, oh, this would be good for the republic or whats fair, but it could hurt you, mr. President , if you get out in front of this and pardon paul right now. Obviously somebody is giving advice. I think its probably fair to say someone is telling him that the provision of a pardon right now looks terrible for him. But this is also a president who flouts the rules all of the time. So the idea that he might be bounded by any sense of propriety i think its a big leap to make. Possibly, but, i mean, its only friday. Its only friday. Gene, on the roger stone part, walk viewers through, are we going to be hearing less from him . I hear from viewers on the beat sometimes, why do we play this sound, why do we hear from this person . Well, when things happen with people who are under indictment, including in rogers case, allegations that the Trump Campaign sought his help getting stolen russian material, were going to report on what he says. What does this gag order mean about us hearing perhaps less from him . Well, its a twopart gag order. Part one is it puts a gag on the attorneys for both sides. Of course, mueller is not going to say anything. And it also puts a gag order on the attorneys for witnesses. Part two is it puts a partial gag order on roger stone. I suppose its 1,000 feet rule. He cant run his mouth within 1,000 feet of the courthouse. And he cant go on media to make statements that substantially prejudice the jury pool. So its not a fullfledged gag order against roger stone, but let me tell you whats going to happen. Roger stone cannot help running his mouth. And hes going to get on tv. Hes going to anger amy jackson, the judge. And shes either going to hold him in contempt, detain him or impose a fullfledged gag order on him. Its probably going to take a week for that to happen. Youre saying a week. We can do the over under on anyone who wants to play. I mean, look, contempt means jail, right . Yes. The question then is does roger stone and his lawyers, instead of debating the core issues of this case where i have pointed out they have some reasonable arguments, do they want to spend their time arguing over what prejudices a jury . Right. And its interesting, the one person in america who bob mueller has alleged was victimized by roger stone is coming to his defense, at least on the limited issue of the gag order tonight. We have this here on the beat. Ran Randy Credico says, quote, tonight, im a First Amendment purest, and even though i have been and will be the victim of roger stones attacks, i have reservations about the gag order. John carlin, what do you think of that . Look, i think this judge has shown shes quite serious about not turning her court into a circus. And not allowing jurors to be influenced unfairly, and not allowing witnesses to be tampered with. If you recall, she issued a similar gag order in the manafort case when they pushed the limits, she was not shy about telling him and his legal team that they better knock it off or she was going to enforce the order. So i think stone ought to take notice of that. In terms of the First Amendment, these are carefully crafted to balance the interest of having a fair trial and proceeding with the First Amendment. And i think her order is well within the First Amendment bounds i agree. And particularly in the case where one of the things hes charged with is witness tampering. So theres good reason to believe that the statements are designed to impede or obstruct justice. You put that in a pretty straightforward way. I as a First Amendment person myself have reported on the precedences and why anything thats overbroad, we should be concerned about. Youre pointing out if its limited to basically upholding the propriety of the court process, prejudice being a real issue there, and the guy has tampered allegedly according to mueller with witnesses. Hes not above tampering allegedly with jurors. Thats exactly right. And gene pointed out that part of the court order is very particularly tailored and its saying basically you cant go out on to the steps of the courthouse where witnesses might be coming in or prospective jurors, turn it into a circus by holding big press conferences. The judge is basically saying this is a formal Government Property where there is due process and protections, and were not going to turn it into some kind of reality show set. Right. Obviously you dont want to see a government building, melissa, turned into the Senate Reality show. That wouldnt happen in america. Never, never. Never. Never say never. Never. Heres what im going to do. Im going to fit in a break. My special thanks to john and gene. Melissa stays. Thanks to each of you. Thank you. Coming up, donald trump himself has just now unloaded and given his critics and his legal challengers one of the best arguments against the National Emergency, admitting he didnt have to do this. I want to do it faster. I could do the wall over a longer period of time. I didnt need to do this. But i would rather do it much faster. Is i didnt need to do this the new definition of a emergency. Well get into that later. Muellers team also looking at collusion as a lawmaker makes quite an extraordinary speech. You need to see this from the senate floor. What does putin have on our president . We can consider the possibility that the president is an asset of the russian government. And news about Justice Ruth Bader ginsburg. Im going to bring it to you later. 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Senator Richard Blumenthal from the Judiciary Committee and a former federal prosecutor. Thanks for being here. Thank you. When you look at these events coming together, bob mueller is on the job with a new boss, bill barr. And hes moving forward in all these ways. What does it mean to you . What it means is that more pieces in the mosaic are coming together. The walls are closing in on donald trump. And remember, its not only the mueller investigation, but theres virtually no aspect or facet of trump world not under investigation right now. Muellers one aspect of it, but theres also the Southern District of new york. Its the trump organization, the trump foundation, the Trump Campaign, the trump associates, who are going into the grand jury. This kind of progress says to me hes done with manafort. He wants him sentenced. In prison. He is talking to people who are closest to the president , his communications person, who is sitting in on many of these meetings, and i know from my experience that the people who talk to the press for me have to know whats really going on. So the chances are that Sarah Huckabee sanders knows something. Interesting point. Youre finding your Communications Director is going to be in the loop on key things. Very much in the loop. And i think thats an important takeaway here. And also is speaking for him, so the obstruction, the lies, and theres no question that there were lies, for example, about the trump tower meeting. Donald jr. s role in it, the subject of discussion, which then were involved in a deceptive Statement Issued by the president. I want to get your view on the Judiciary Committee and your background on what it means to have the person who was number one in Donald Trumps campaign now facing what he could face. I want to compare this to watergate, as so often people compare these rhetorically. Lets look at the numbers. Here you have four and eight years from john dean, mitchell, take a look at what manafort faces. Potentially decades. We dont expect he would actually get all of that, but what does it mean to you if at the end of the day mueller is securing longer prison sentences for a top aide like this than anyone who worked for nixon in watergate . What it says to me is that manafort has engaged in a pattern and consistent practice of lying, seeking to cover up in all kinds of ways that we saw the special counsel actually prove to the judge. For example, giving polling data to kilimnik, a russian agent discussing a secret ukraine peace plan that would have been favorable to the russians and then lying about it. And the question is why was he lying . Was he just a congenital liar . Or was he trying to cover up for the president in the hope of getting a pardon involving all of those years . You say congenital. I will say its funny to try to give someone a fairness defense that makes them look terrible. But there are trump aides who told me, look, paul lied about everything. He would literally lie about the color of his tie, like it was his thing. That doesnt mean he also didnt lie about important things, but thats a defense i heard. Before i let you go out of this segment, the president says, quote, its a National Emergency, but, quote, its one that he could have done later or not at all. Does that mean legally its not an emergency in your view . I think that the lawyers arguing for the president are going to say that the court should defer to the president , the deference argument is the chief one he has going for him, and it is certainly defeated or tends to be greatly undermined by that statement. Its also undermined because hes acting in direct defiance of congress, and as you know, the youngstown steel case says that the argument for deference is at its weakest when its in defiance of congress. So i think theyre leave it to Richard Blumenthal to go full youngstown as law school nerds would say. Thats the classic precedence that overruled truman. Can i ask you something thats not legal, thats basic. What is the point of what you and everyone in congress does if you have years long debates over how to fund the government. The constitution says you have the funding power, and any president , could be a different president in the future, said no, im going to spend billions a different way because i declared something. I mean, doesnt that defeat the whole point . Thats also a key legal argument because, again, in youngstown, in all of the cases that talk about deference, this power of the purse is a core constitutional prerogative. Thats why were going to support a resolution. Were writing it right now, that will be considered by the congress the week after next. And there will be, as you mentioned, both parties, there will be bipartisan support for it because what the president is doing here is in effect seizing power. Hes usurping the constitutional norms and hes also, by the way, very, very importantly, militarizing the border. Yes. And he is politicizing the military, because the section of the law that hes acting under, 10usc2808, requires the involvement of the military in order for him to take the military construction funds, even under this law, the National Emergency act. Right. You laid it out so clearly. This obviously is a huge deal were going to keep covering and probing into. In journalism, in congress, as a nation. I just think its so important. Everything seems polarized. This isnt ideological. This could be in a few years whether president Bernie Sanders can take 100 bil and give it out for Congress Without giving it to congress, and theres a constitutional issue. Senator, im excited to say im not letting you go. Were going to keep you around for your first fallback friday in a few minutes. Im going to fit in a quick 30second break when i have malcolm nance talk about this question, what does putin have on trump, and Donald Trumps wild day undermining his call for an emergency when were back in 30. To be nobody but yourself in a world which is doing its best to make you everybody else. Means to fight the hardest battle, which any human being can fight and never stop. Does this sound dismal . It isnt. Its the most wonderful life on earth. Donald trumps headed down to maralago in florida. Obviously thats a thing you do during a National Emergency. Trumps also given a rose garden announcement that i can only factually describe as rambling and at times illogical because it did undermine the core purpose of the presentation that there would be an emergency. I have some great guests, so lets get right to it. Starting with Lieutenant Colonel ralph peters. First of all, good evening, sir. Always nice to have you on a friday. Good to talk to you. Good to talk to you. Is this as a National Security matter, apart from what people think about immigration, does it look like a National Security emergency to you . No, not an emergency. Certainly, the border is a matter of National Security, but to describe the Current Situation as an emergency is an utter travesty. And ari, youre the lawyer here. You know that the Supreme Court is probably going to have to resolve this. And by the way, something i havent heard people talking about is that military lawyers need to be looking at whether ordering the military to use funds allocated for another purpose to build a wall or anything else on the border is a lawful order. So there are a lot of layers to this, but the bottom line is this. We face real Foreign Policy crises and theyre primarily with Donald Trumps bffs. Putin, xi, kim, and if you want to invoke emergency powers, it should be about russians and others interfering with our election. Is that a situation room term, bff, or a valentines day hangover . I think its a technical term between well, im not going to go there with trumps personal life. I wasnt asking you to go there. I was just trying to make sure i know military, they use a lot of acronyms. Bff can be in there as well. Let me play for you, again, part of our job is to take things seriously even if people no power dont. So folks who watch the show know we try to just deal with the evidence. Im not here to make a lot of judgment calls about how donald trump talks and all that kind of stuff. But let me play for you something that is happening in this statecraft as he tries to seize billions of dollars. This was how he made the case today. Take a look. We will have a National Emergency. And we will then be sued. And they will sue us in the ninth circuit. Even though it shouldnt be there. And we will possibly get a bad ruling. And then well getting another bad ruling. And then wheel end up in the Supreme Court. And hopefully well get a fair shake and well win in the Supreme Court. What does that say to you, trying to take it seriously over whether he understands and upholds the obligations of his office, given how serious this is and how many peoples lives it affects. The constitutional dimensions. People at the border, the military, as you mentioned, as he does it in what some critics are calling a really blase nursery rhyme. Well, youre assuming that trump still has some moral center somewhere, and its evident that he does not. He does not care about other people. Hes a classic narcissist. He doesnt love this country. Hes right that its going to end up in the Supreme Court, i think, and then we shall see the quality of the recently appointed justices. Because this is so fundamental to our constitution. It could not be more so. The Founding Fathers werent stupid. They were wise about human nature. They knew that not every president was going to be ideal. Thats why we have checks and balances. Unfortunately, neither they nor the legislators 200 years later who passed the National Emergency act, could foresee, could imagine someone like trump becoming president. Well, let me press you on that because youre getting now to the heart of it, which is what do the guardrails do in your system . You go to law school or the military training you do, youre taught a reverence of the constitution, of the Founding Fathers. I always say they did Amazing Things for their time and they were also wrong about all sorts of things. If you have a 3 5 compromise, youre 100 wrong about one of the most fundamental things. Yet in the system of government, they say well, the congress will check the executive. Ambition will check ambition. Everyone who has been in any Office Politics fight in their life is familiar with that, that people will represent their own ends. They tried to turn that to good. You just referred to that, sir. I want to play for you some of the republicans who up until this press conference up until. Today were saying, well, well step up to this. Take a look. I dont think he should do that. I think its a bad precedent. This would just be another erosion of congressional authority. I do not see the grounds for declaring a National Emergency. Im not crazy about going down that path. I hate the idea of an emergency because i always worry about that abuse with future president s. I think it would be a terrible idea. What is their obligation now given that constitutional dimension that you brought up . Well, their obligation is clear as could be. It is to be a check on extravagant claims of president ial prerogatives in power. Theres no question about that. I am an independent. I am certainly not here to lobby for the democrats. But the Republican Party is in danger of losing youre not a wait, youre not a huge aoc liberal . I got confused. Aoc is trumps best friend. Except perhaps all i mean is i dont think anyone who is watching your commentary is confused. You come to this from your background and youre disturbed by it, but not as a Green New Deal super lefty, as far as we know. No. Im concerned because as a military officer, i took an oath to the constitution of the United States. The most important document in my view in the history of politics and human government. And that beautiful document, that wise document, does have to be defended from time to time. And now it is down to the Senate Republicans above all to do their duty, not to a political party, not to a president rogue or otherwise, but to the constitution of the United States. So many people have died and bled for that constitution. The least the republicans could do in the senate would be to risk a primary challenge. Its not exactly omaha beach on dday. You have the chops to say it. I appreciate your view on it. Hang with me. What i want to do is broaden this conversation as promised. Aditi is from the nonprofit protect democracy and theyre filing a suit to take trump to court over this exact thing. Shes also the creator of something called the trump resistance manual, and law professor Melissa Murray back with us as well. What would your suit do . Do you thing youll win . We absolutely think we win. Actually, i think donald trump thinks well win. He himself said he is expecting that this will make its way to the Supreme Court, meaning he expects to lose an initial challenge, and his own department of justice lawyers leaked commentary saying theyre expecting it to be enjoined. So, you know, i dont think his lawyers are very confident about this. And that may be why you referred to it, that mood that this isnt really about doing a thing. Its about trying to be seen doing a thing. Maybe why he was especially careless, as i say, even by 2019 standards. Let me play a little bit more of him today, again, how can i say it fairly . Making the case against this being an emergency at his announcement of the emergency. I want to do it faster. I could do the wall over a longer period of time. I didnt need to do this. But i would rather do it much faster. The only reason were up here talking about this is because of the election. This is one of the ways they think they can possibly win, is by obstruction and a lot of other nonsense. And i think that i just want to get it done faster. Thats all. Will you cite those comments in your Court Challenge . Well, i think theyre very compelling arguments for us, for sure. I dont think they support his argument as well, and we have our wonderful colleagues right now working on the complaint, and im sure theyre listening closely to what hes saying. Would you use them if you were filing this brief . Oh, definitely. Donald trump is the gift that keeps on giving for constitutional law. Everything he does is a hypothetical you could put in an exam or give to your students. This is perfect. Everything that he said undermined the idea there is some kind of emergency. In fact, the National Emergencies act requires something more than simply wanting to be more expeditious in building a fake wall. I want to read from something that was in the Washington Post about this National Emergency act, because everyone is now catching up on it. This is the First Time Since the National Emergencies act became law the court will consider this core question of whether a president can declare a National Emergency that does not exist by any available metric, legal experts tell the Washington Post, thats his tweet about it. Is that overstated or is your few that nobody has ever pushed it so far that we have gotten this kind of ruling . So, the National Emergencies act has been invoked probably about five dozen times, and there are about 31 emergencies that are still left on the books. But theyre typically situations involving foreign governments, and the emergency steps that were taken are things like seizing foreign assets or property claims. Building a wall, reappropriated funds that congress denied the president has never been part of that. This is a clear separation of powers issue. And its a real threat to democracy. This is not hyperbole. This is a major power grab. Whether its kabuki theater or not, its a serious slight on democracy. Thats the point were bearing down on. Which is you an observe the absurdity of it, but its still in a very real way something americans have to consider, and many countries have dealt with situations where people come into power and say maybe we need to be a little less of a democracy and more of a country where the person in charge says im going to do it and the military is going to help me and im going to spend money that wasnt appropriated and what are you going to do about it . Well see. Melissa murray. Aditi juneja. I try to work on getting it right. Colonel, as you know in the media, we try to correct when we make mistakes. Colonel ralph peters, thank you so much. Thank you. Up ahead, the startling moment on the floor of the u. S. Senate. A top lawmaker asking what putin has on trump. Malcolm nance joins me on that next. 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Mueller winning this partial gag order against trump adviser roger stone. That means his public appearances will be shut down in a certain sense. We have seen a lot since the indictment. This is the first time mueller alleged there is evidence Trump Campaign officials asked stone to seek out material stolen by russian hackers. Showing collusion is still at the heart of the investigation. That line of inquiry brings us to an extraordinary moment you should see. The most senior democrat on the Senate ForeignRelations Committee marching to the senate floor to lay out this disturbing theory. Im talking about the entirely legitimate question of whether donald trump could be compromised by the russian government. Hes let our country down. Hes left americans to lay awake at night asking themselves what does putin have on our president . Of course, we can consider the possibility that the president is an asset of the russian government. Quote, an asset of the russian government. A possibility to consider. Joining me to do so, malcolm nance, msnbc terror analyst and author of the plot to destroy democracy. What do you think senator menendez was signaling in what can only be described as a fairly unusual floor speech . Well, i think he was signaling what people have been asking for about three years now. Listen, you know, that its finally filtered its way up to the halls of congress, to where questions like this, which we have been talking about every night for two and a half years nonstop, to where it can now be put into the congressional record, the query, what does a foreign power have over our president now will led out into the investigations which must happen. Clearly donald trump is in debt to russia for something. His obsequiousness, his slavish devotion to Vladimir Putin, and the fact that only two people on the planet know what Vladimir Putin has on donald trump, thats donald trump and Vladimir Putin. Well, you mentioned sort of the way that information and ideas migrate or get mainlined. Thats a big feature in politics, and im sure to some degree in the work you focus on. Where do peoples ideas about things come from. Of course, it was the nominee of the Democratic Party who was also the victim of the hacking, so she had more reason to be in touch with the information before other people and the concerns, who tried to raise this during the campaign. Lets take a look. Putin from everything i see, has no respect for this person. Well, thats because he would rather have a puppet as president. No puppet. No puppet. Its pretty clear youre the puppet. Its pretty clear you wont admit no, youre the president. The russians have engaged in Cyber Attacks against the United States of america. That you encouraged espionage against our people. That you are willing to spout the putin line, sign up for his wish list. Break up nato, do whatever he wants to do. Malcolm, many pundits say trump was not taken seriously enough as a political phenomenon in 2016. Was Hillary Clintons substantive point there not taken seriously enough at the time . Absolutely. I mean, every word of what she said has proven to be correct. We have had an espionage investigation going on for the last almost three years. Theres been a counterintelligence investigation which now encompasses the president himself. This is very serious pull. The very fact that 1 3 of this nation refuses to believe a word of it shows you the success of the russian information operation. But Hillary Clinton got it right. But because she was Hillary Clinton, the news media refused to believe a word she said, and now the United States is in the greatest crisis of its history. A very interesting to get your perspective and dig through what we can learn from what, as you argue, some folks got wrong. Malcolm nance, thank you. My pleasure. Yes, sir. Coming up, weve had quite the week. We could all use a little time to fall back. The First Time Ever we welcome a u. S. Senator, Richard Blumenthal, to fallback friday, along with my friend daily show creator lizz winstead. How are you doing . Nice to see you both. Ing . Nice to see you both here we go discover. I like your card, but im absolutely not paying an annual fee. Discover has no annual fees. Really . Yeah. We just dont believe in them. Oh nice. You would not believe how long ive been rehearsing that. No annual fee on any card. Only from discover. Bike, wheels, saddle. I customize everything thats why i switched to Liberty Mutual. They customized my insurance, so i only pay for what i need. I insured my car, and my bike. My calves are custom too, but i cant insure those. Which is a crying shame. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Its a revolution in sleep. The sleep number 360 smart bed is on sale now, from 899, during the ultimate sleep number event. 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That makes it all the more courageous. Were going to do one more air horn for the first u. S. Senator here. Hit it. What do you think of that, lizz . Im really proud the timing has been horrible, but the last one, you nailed it see. Heres the thing, you listen, observe, horn. Lizz, who needs to fall back this week . I dont know that its a fall back. I guess it is. Kanye needs to fall back for his feckless valentines day gift to kim kardashian. The video was super bizarre. They took the garage and then he went to a gas station and got all the roses. And put them out on the ground. Who is that playing . And had kenny g. Come. All of this feels like, first of all, dont go to the gas station to get the roses because thats for the poor people and the people who dont have kanye money. So when you have kanye money, like, do a blanket of roses he looks pretty happy with himself on this, though. But its kenny g. Is this a are you breaking up with her or are you wanting to this is not romantic. This is kind of a i feel like its i feel like its just a bet. I never thought i would stick up for kenny g. , but it is romantic. A lot of people find romance in his music, lizz. But most people find his music at a strip mall. Hold on, kenny g. s music is very popular and its brought a lot of joy to a lot of people. Thats great. If youre the richest person in the world and you made that money doing music thats a grade point. Find some badass clarinet person. Arguably dated he wouldnt do a blue note. I feel like you could, i dont know. Have you ever listened to kenny g. , senator . I have. Yeah. Would you consider it legitimate romance music. This is going to really affect your career, so careful how you answer this, im just saying. This is going to be used against me in my next reelection. Im just saying. Im going to go out on a limb. I think it is legitimate. Any music in the right context is legitimate romance. Youre the odd man out here. It wasnt how the two of us feel about this fall back. If i were dating a very rich musician right. He laid out the garage full of that and kenny g. , that would not be my jam. It really goes to questioning kanye as a musician. Im going to move on, as we do sometimes in this business. You gotta. Senator, who needs to fall back . I think a few of my colleagues need to take a deep breath on the Green New Deal. Senator barrasso who said the Green New Deal would eliminate ice cream. Liz cheney, representative also from wyoming, said that it would eliminate cows and airplane travel. I thank we have some of that, senator. Lets listen to liz cheney going ham on the Green New Deal. Take a look. When we outlaw plane travel, gasoline, we outlaw cars, i think actually the entire u. S. Military because of the Green New Deal. There is another new victim of the Green New Deal, ice cream. Livestock will be banned. Saying goodbye to beef, family farms, americans favorites like chee cheeseburgers and milkshake will become a thing of the past. That would be a gut punch for me. We have to walk home tonight because there are no more cars because of the Green New Deal. Does it Say Something youre basically backing up aoc here. Does it Say Something that has them so shook . Its not really her. Im a cosponsor. So are some of my colleagues, including my good friend ed markey who is leading this effort. You held a joint press conference with her, i believe markey and her. I think the republican strategy here is to personalize it to her when, in fact, it is about a basic concept of goals and objectives and projects that will make us less dependent on emissionsproducing energy. In fact, go to renewables, clean energy, rebuild infrastructure, change the way that we travel right. Reliying more on the kinds o vehicles that are less emission producing. Right. Lizz, isnt that the ultimate fall back . Shouldnt fossil fuels fall back . I think fossil fuels should always fall back. You can joke about some things, but like literally, i grew up in minnesota. The emissions that come from cows is real. Would you trade kenny g. To get rid of Global Warming . I think were going to have more kenny g. If we have the Green New Deal because he is unplugged and that is using on that note, the air horns are playing us out. Lizz, dick i have to take exception. Well have you both back. This is great. Thank you. Fallback friday. We will be right back. Ight back. Could help you save on homeowners insurance. Nice tip. Ill give you two bucks for the chair. Two . thats a victorian antique all right, how much for the recliner, then . Wait wait. How did that get out here . That is definitely not for sale is this a yard sale . If its in the yard then its. For sale. Oh, here we go. Geico. Its easy to switch and save on homeowners and renters insurance. [kno king] memories. What we deliver by delivering. 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