Terrorists at the southern border. And we look at how aoc is trolling the gop. But we start with President Trumps pr offensive on his broken wall promise. Trump scrambling with democrats, standing tough, and more signs republicans are cracking on day 17 of the trump shutdown. Trump announcing today he will address the nation from the oval office for the first time tomorrow, and he will visit the border on thursday, saying it is a humanitarian and National Security crisis. This is a crisis for trumps wall talking points, and the Rush Limbaugh base he was scared by. Here are the fax. A Homeland Security chart showing the number of apprehensions of undocumented immigrants at the southern border. You can see a massive decline over 18 years when 11 jump between 2017 and last year. In the last eight years, weve seen some of the lowest numbers in history. Now trump is shifting his posture on the wall. Watch this. We have to build a wall. Going to build a wall. Were going to build a big, beautiful wall. Steel slats. We dont use the wall necessarily. Great Border Security with a wall or a slat fence or whatever you want to call it. I informed my folks to say that well build a steel barrier, steel. It will be made out of steel. What is it . Thats the question. Democrats were upping the pressure, planning to block all bills until Mitch Mcconnell ends the shutdown. With me now is mark thompson, radio host of siriusxms make it plain show and nick compesoori. I feel its literally a reality show from the announcement to visiting the border to the address from the oval office that were going to hear tomorrow night. The issue is this is a reality show where lives are at stake, and as of friday, people arent going to get paid anymore. If the Trump Administration was actually a pr company, they would be doing quite well right now. But in fact theyre running a country, and we are nearing the longest Government Shutdown in history if this continues on over the weekend. Whats happening here is the crisis that is being created over the shutdown is going to far outweigh the crisis at the border. Not a security crisis, but a humanitarian crisis. The governments own statistics show that terrorists are coming in through airports, not through the southern border. And yet were going to have worse security at airports because dhs workers are walking out because they arent getting paid. We are now right now captive to the president s idea of himself. If the president went out tomorrow and said look, i just want some Border Security money, lets figure out the details, hed have a deal in an hour. But he wants to say he built a wall, and democrats refuse to let him say he built a wall, even though everyone kind of supports having some kind of a barrier and some kind of security. Mark, who is the president trying to address in this Oval Office Address thats coming tomorrow night . Who does he want to hear his appeal tomorrow evening . The very still gullible base that he intends to distract from the story you teased out earlier, whats going on with mueller and the whole intelligence committee. He made a fool out of himself. He promised a wall, mexico would build a wall. Now were down to steel slats, meat of steel. And he doesnt have it. So hes even saying to this base, weve heard him say that part of the wall is already done. Nobody knows what hes talking about. Sarah sanders is going on television, quoting the long fellow poem about paul revere. The immigrants are coming, one if by land and two if by sea. What he may do tomorrow night we may see for the first time the intersection between the Willie Horton strategy and the wmd tragedy, because coming after immigrants the way he does is nothing but racial fearmongering. And just like wmd, creating this National Emergency where there isnt one. There is no crisis. Thats what we. Have its good that you bring this up, sort of this National Emergency that there isnt one, because oftentimes when you hear about a president giving an Oval Office Address, its because of a National Emergency, right . You think of george w. Bush when he gave some of his Oval Office Addresses. One of those was after the september 11th terror attack where he gave an Oval Office Address. I think many of us remember that Oval Office Address. President barack obama after the British Petroleum oil spill. The president is trying to create an emergency here when there isnt necessarily an emergency. And were going to have Julia Ainsley on later on in the show to talk about the numbers of the people that are actually crossing the border and who is actually being apprehended at the border. When you have Sarah Huckabee sanders going on fox news saying we are actually apprehending terrorists at the border, thats not the case. Its not the border, as you said. Its at the airport. This is a bet first of all to try to claim some of the gravitas of the oval office in this setting. You saw his press conference this week. I was a disaster. It was a word salad. What they want to do is put him on a camera in the oval office with some prepared remarks to get on message and get back on their message which is there is a crisis here. You know, its an important emergency. There are people coming through the border. Watch out, be afraid. Thats their message. But the issue they have here is that the crisis here is one theyve created. The person who wants the wall the most is the president. He is saying im not going to move on your government until i get my wall. Thats a losing proposition for his party in the longterm. What do you think, mark, the president is gaining by putting so much attention at the border and on this Immigration Crisis that he is saying it is, this Immigration Crisis . And not and taking away from whats happening within the government right now . I dont think hes gaining anything, because history has shown, you know, shutdowns have never worked out for those who perpetrated them. I mean, gingrich got written out of town in the shutdowns of the 90s. I think he is fooling himself. Look back at the caravan. That was supposed to have been an emergency, and everybody was coming on this caravan. That went away, and it definitely didnt help in the midterms. But he wants to make it seem like he is giving in by saying steel slats. Look, im giving to it the democrats because they dont necessarily want they dont want a concrete wall. They just want steel slat. It seems like they like steel better, as he said on the south lawn yesterday afternoon. But that wont work as long as the government is shut down. The majority of American People blame him for the shutdown. He is the one acting like a spoiled child. He can go to slats, fence, whatever he wants to call it. I think the president and his team are trying to back into a win, because guess what . There are already steel slats on the border. There is already a fence on parts of the border and a wall on parts of the border, and surveillance on parts of the border. The border is protected. And the big thing propounded is not true, that there is some kind of open border on the south there. What is happening is there is some kind of refurbishment of the steel slats in some places. You can claim thats already happening. But i think he is trying to get himself to something thats already there so he can call it a wall and walk away and say i won. I want to bring in democratic congresswoman Eleanor Holmes norton of d. C. Congresswoman, thank you very much for joining us this evening. Very much appreciate it. I first want to get your reaction to the president s announcement that he is going to be giving an address from the oval office tomorrow evening at 9 00 p. M. What do you want to hear from the president tomorrow night . Well, first, let me indicate what the significance of this address is. If you look at the polls, the president is losing. He is going to give the address because hes trying to get the American People where they are not now. One way to understand this is to see the wall crumbling around him. For example, maybe not enough people care about section 8 housing where people get a third of their housing from the federal government, or even food stamps, but the president has already caved on irs funding. And guess what . He cant. You cant pick and choose. Well give you back your irs funding, but we wont do your housing funding. Thats what hes trying to do now. That money would have to come out of the general fund. The wall with irs funding may be the biggest crack yet in the wall. Weve got to stop talking about the wall as if that is some kind of a metaphor. Lets look at what in fact were talking about. The sides are nowhere near far apart. When i taught as a tenured professor of law, if i asked some first year law students, they would see all of the elements on the table for a compromise. The democrats and the republicans arent far away at all, and the president himself has stopped using the word wall and he is saying essentially call it what you may. With the irs funding, i think were going to begin to see the president do what he is doing tonight, and that is to try to shore up even his own base and certainly the American People who have long left him on the question of the wall. Congresswoman, the president said that he can understand the plight of federal workers that arent going to be receiving paychecks come january 11th, these people who are living paycheck to paycheck, some who are getting 500 every time they see that paycheck. And now they dont necessarily know how theyre going to be able to pay their rent or keep their lights on, and theyre going to have to choose which to do. Do you think the president understands the plight of these federal workers that are not going to be getting paid because of this Government Shutdown so far as it goes on . Well, these federal workers all over the country have a good number of them in my own city and in this region. He doesnt caribbeans about them. He doesnt each talk about them very much because he recognizes that that is he calls them democrats. Thats a small number of them. Thats why im looking now to the spreading of the economy, to the spreading of the sectors, because the federal workers wont do it and havent done it and couldnt possibly do it by themselves. But as you see this begin to have its effect on the economy itself, and thats what youre beginning to see, the president is going to be forced. And i agree with my other colleagues to use what is already up there to say look, i won. Were back to normal. We know that the president has how do i say this . Not necessarily told the truth when it comes to the border wall and when it comes to immigration. He has put a lot of numbers out there that have been disproven, to say the least. I want to play some of that and then well talk. We have a tremendous medical problem coming into our country. Communicable disease. Tremendous problems. People dont want to talk about it. Remember drugs. The drugs are pouring into this country. They dont go through the ports of industry. Wrong after wrong after wrong. It is astounding the fact that the president puts these numbers out there and says these types of things that can then be fact checked publicly. Mark, ill go with you on this one. Why does the president consistently do this sort of thing . Well, because, frankly, he has his own Television Network that enables it, and a particular host on there that enables it. I think that helps him do it. And his base is willing to be gullible in that regard. You know, we look at whats happening with the farmers. I think theyre even affected by it. Theyre already affected by the tariffs, yet this is some people who still support him, even through the shutdown. Its, again, people acting against their own interests. Nick, the fact is a case can be made for the situation at the border. A case can be made for changes that need to be made to immigration in this country without creating falsehoods. And it seems that the president doesnt necessarily understand that. That the cases can be made without saying the things he goes on to say. He isnt making it. Look, i think a lot of americans support immigration as part of our tradition. People dont like broken immigration, and people dont like kind of crossing the border illegally. There are solutions to the problem. But the problem is getting better. The problem for him as a politician is his entire career is based on the argument that its getting worse. So you cant campaign on immigration as a National Security crisis if the facts are actually, its pretty much under control. There is a problem weve got to deal with here, and the dreamers are here, and that has to be settled. If your argument is its actually a terrible problem, what do you do . You amp up the rhetoric that there are vectors of disease and crime and drug smuggling. You can go back to his very first speech as a candidate in trump tower and find him hitting all of those notes. Yeah. Congresswoman, last to you on this. Do you think its smart the democrats hold out to the very end, until the president bends on this . Democrats have looked at the polls. They also see how vulnerable the president is on it, and they see him now trying to get his act together by going on national television. It does seem to me that the facesaving is going to come after that. We see the facesaving beginning already with the again, i repeat, once people dont get the irs checks, remember, the government is holding your money. Almost everybody has put in more money in order to get it back. Once you see that begin to happen, that covers the entire, virtually the entire population. Youre going to begin to see the effects on the economy well beyond talking about the wall and the rest. And that is what is going to bring this down, not the wall, not even a compromise. The compromise is already there for any fool to pick up and do. All right, mark thompson, Nick Confessore and congresswoman Eleanor Holmes norton, thank you all. Ahead, reporting that blows up statements by Trump Administration officials about terrorists crossing the southern border. It comes after this. Theyre not coming across the southern border, sarah. Theyre coming and theyre being stopped at airports. Also, a federal judge with a blunt warning. Cut the attacks on bob mueller. And how the youngest woman ever elected to congress is rattling the gop with her progressive push. And at the golden globes, Christian Bale thanks satan for inspiring his role as dick cheney. And there is reaction from some you might not expect. Youre watching the beat on msnbc. Msnbc. At leaf blowers. [beep] you should be mad your neighbor always wants to hang out. And you should be mad your smart fridge is unnecessarily complicated. But youre not mad, because you have e trade which isnt complicated. Their tools make trading quicker and simpler. So you can take on the markets with confidence. Dont get mad. Get e trade and start trading today. Dont get mad. 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Customs and border protector encountered only six immigrants who were known and suspected terrorists at the southern border, contradicting the Trump Administration who falsely said that number was at 4,006. Heres how bad its getting. A fox host fact checks Sarah Sanders on live television. We know that roughly nearly 4,000 known or suspected terrorists come into our country illegally, and we know that our most vulnerable point of entry is our southerner borders. I know this statistic. I didnt know you were going to use it, but i studied up on this. You know where those 4,000 people are captured . Airports. Not always. The state Department Says there hasnt been any terrorists coming across the southerner border from mexico. Theyre not coming across the southern border, sarah. Theyre coming and theyre being stopped at airports. All right. Joining me now msnbc National Security and justice reporter Julia Ainsley, who reported that exclusive story. Julia, thanks for coming on. Appreciate it. Talk to me about these numbers that youre reporting. What are they telling you . Sarah sanders was right when she said the vast majority come through the airports. Its so infinitesimal who is actually coming through the southern border. We broke these numbers down. This is just the first half of fiscal year 18. The beginning of october 2017 through the end of march 18. And only six nonamerican citizens or residents were stopped by cbp at ports of entry along the southern border. There were more actually, yasmin, who were americans. It totaled 41. And so actually, were actually seeing more americans than nonamericans who are being stopped. And lets not think that these are people who have been arrested or charged with terrorism. Thats a statute that they would have to prove in a court of law. These are just people that are on a database. It could be that their name simply matches up with someone on a database. It could be that they have family ties to someone in an organization, but it is very rare, and this number shows how rare it is that anyone in a terrorist organization or anyone coming in to do any kind of harm or even be suspected on being on one of these watch lists would come through the southern border. The other number thats higher is the northern border, yasmin. We saw that 91 arrests and 41 of those were nonamerican on the northern border. Thats an area we dont really hear this Administration Talk about at all. Julia, have you reached out to the white house on this . Have we heard anything from them . Yes, we have. Ive been in touch with dhs throughout the day. Of course, this was Law Enforcement sensitive. We feel comfortable here at msnbc going with this because its a topic that the administration has talked a lot about. So we want to be able to get out what the truth on this topic. But its certainly something that is sensitive, and we took all of that into account as we reported it. Hey, quickly, julia, do you know the timing of these six arrests . Obviously the Trump Administration has been out thing this 4,000 number, not quite knowing where theyre getting these numbers from, but wondering if you know the timing of these six arrests that youre reporting now. Yeah, first of all, theyre not even arrests. Theyre just encountered. Some of these people would be questioned and sent through. This would have happened over a sixmonth period. Just six people over six months. Wow. From october of the first half of fiscal year 2018. The beginning of october 2017 through the end of march 2018. And Sarah Huckabee sanders has been saying that 4,000 people who are known or suspected terrorists came through in that year. If you follow the trend of six, it would be pretty hard to figure out how you could get to 4,000 by the end of that year. Kind of a big gap to say the least. Julia ainsley, thank you so much. Appreciate it. Thank you. Ahead, everybody, alexandra ocasiocortez is trolling the gop and already driving them crazy. But first, the russia probe. And a federal judge bob mueller today rebuking a critic of bob mueller. Well be back in 30 seconds. Keep it here. As well as all the things you want to do. Because when youre ready for what comes next, the only direction is forward. Our because of smoking. Ital. But we still had to have a cigarette. Had to. But then, we were like. What are we doing . The nicodermcq patch helps prevent your urge to smoke all day. Nicodermcq. You know why, we know how. Welcome back, everybody. A federal judge sending a powerful message today. Cut the attacks on bob mueller. It came after lawyers for a Russian Company charged in the Mueller Probe attacked the mueller team in profanitylaced court documents. At one point even quoting animal house. The judge responding today, telling the lawyers to, quote, knock it off, that mueller is also getting backing from newly empowered House Democrats. Watch this. We hope as one of our first acts to make the transcripts of our witnesses fully available to special counsel for any purpose, including the bringing of perjury charges if necessary against any of the witnesses. But also to see the evidence that they contain and help flesh out the picture for the special counsel. If youve been following, you knew that was coming. The new house intel chair adam schiff would not say if he had any concerns about any particular witnesses lying. But Eric Swalwell pointed the finger directly at longtime trump associate roger stone. I think roger stone lied to our committee and he had to send a number of letters amending his testimony. There are others like him. We just want to get those transcripts to bob mueller as soon as possible. Roger stone, though, has maintained he told the truth to congress, but there are signs mueller is planning more charges, extending the grand jury for another six months. Well, hes clearly not done. There is more work for the grand jury. Clearly, there are other potential charges that he must be considering. There is no purpose for a grand jury i think otherwise. All right. With me former u. S. Attorney joyce vance and former federal prosecutor john flannery. Joyce, im going to start with you on this one. Could the House Democrats really do a lot more to help mueller, or is this really about messaging here from them . No, i think that there is substance behind this. Weve already seen that its possible to indict folks for lying to a committee, whether its in the house or the senate. And roger stone looks like someone mueller has been carefully examining. There are other people who as additional house subcommittees go through testimony that was taken in front of them, for instance, the Standing Select Committee on intelligence, they may provide mueller with additional people to take a hard look at for perjury charges. So lets look at that, john. We know Michael Cohen has been charged with perjury. Exactly. For lying to congress. So do we expect mueller to go after others here . Well, i think so. And one of the things that we learned december 7th when he was brought up on these other charges for lying to the Senate Committees was that he made a Public Statement that was characterized as a message to everyone else to get on board with the message that he was going to give behind closed doors. So Michael Cohens testimony will be compared in an unredacted form with the testimony of others in an unredacted form and give us a lead on the connection, if you will, just as the roger stone piece will between russia and the trump project or the moscow tower project and trump himself. And i think that that feeds into there is like a threepart access point here it seems to me. There is the trump project in moscow, there is the june 9th meeting at which whether or not he had communications with don jr. Who was also a witness, and the third part is what trump did to cover up that meeting and claim, despite what his son knew and had been disclosing that it was only about adoption. So i think there is a very important and significant series of pieces there. Joyce, i want to remind people sort of who has been interviewed by the house intelligence community. Lets bring up that list, guys. Starting with Michael Cohen, don trump jr. , jared kushner, hope hicks. We talked about roger stone already. Who do you expect here to be most vulnerable with regards to what adam schiff is saying and bringing this testimony to the Mueller Probe . So roger stone and jerome corsi have already publicly said they expect to be indicted. There are even documents that indicate that might be true. But beyond that id add an additional trump tower meeting. There is this august 2016 meeting with donald trump jr. And a man named george nader who represented some of the middle eastern princes, represented saudi and uae princes and made an offer of assistance to the Campaign Based on his relationship with them in that meeting. And donald trump jr. And erik prince have testified on the hill, in house subcommittees this there were no offers of assistance from foreign governments that they were aware of. I would look for that meeting to perhaps be targeted as well. Prosecutors in this situation, you know, perjury is not easy to prove. You need to prove that the lie is intentional and also that its material. So in a case like this where youre directly asked about assistance from foreign countries, a material fact, and you talk about meetings that you had but you exclude an important one, thats a situation thats ripe for a little bit of attention from muellers team. So, john, how does mueller necessarily go about proving Something Like that, that this perjury was intentional, if in fact don jr. Testified in front of the House Intel Committee and lied about something or misled the committee about the meeting, lets say, in trump tower and whether or not his father knew or did not know about the meeting with natalia veselnitskaya. How does mueller prove that, that he intentionally lied . The best way is you get as much testimony as you can in statements of what people say, and you look at the inconsistencies. And you look at how that compares to documents, how that compares to the testimony of others, documents are good, how it compares with tape recordings, for example, and then you judge that if a person is making a false statement you can contradict, its that evidence of consciousness of guilt. So what is their motive . What are they hiding . And perjury is a vrp interesting crime. If you are testifying consistently under oath, thats perjury, if its material. Because two inconsistent statements cant both be true. And so thats one way to look at it. But what theyve done with Michael Cohen, for instance, theyve done everything they could to corroborate him, and theyve said so with witnesses and tapes and exhibits and documents and evidence that i believe is not yet been made public that they have sitting there. So thats how he does it. Thats how hes done it his whole life. He has more experience perhaps than very many prosecutors in america and many difficult cases. I think his dream team some time in the next several weeks may do roger stone. We might see don jr. We might see a whole series of people in the hot seat. And i think thats what were looking for. Joyce, just quickly, how different it is to testify in front of the House Intel Committee that was then republicanled, now democraticled versus being interviewed by the mueller team . I think getting a friendly fire interview as opposed to a hard press from prosecutors, it really ups the ante. The Gold Standard for evidence in a perjury case will be someone who was in the room when the lie was made and knows it was a lie and is now cooperating with prosecutors. Mueller has that here. George nader is reported to be cooperating. We know that general flynns cooperation has been very highly accorded by the mueller investigation. He too was privy to some of these conversations that took place. So i expect those interviews with the mueller team will only be a precursor to prosecution for some of these. With the sixmonth grand jury extension, i expect to see a lot more. John flannery, joyce vance, thank you both. Thank you. Still to come, everybody, im going to talk live to a four star general. Warning tonight, there will be resignations if trump orders the military to build his wall. Plus what joe biden is telling allies about a 2020 run. And aoc trolling the gop and pushing a plan to raise taxes on the rich. All that plus news on beto orourke. Well be right back. ll be righ. If you have moderate to severe psoriasis or psoriatic arthritis, Little Things can be a big deal. Thats why theres otezla. Otezla is not an injection or a cream. Its a pill that treats differently. For psoriasis, 75 clearer skin is achievable, with reduced redness, thickness, and scaliness of plaques. For psoriatic arthritis, otezla is proven to reduce joint swelling, tenderness, and pain. 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The other big story in Democratic Politics tonight, congresswoman alexandria ocasiocortez posting this video on her first day in office, trolling critics on the right. Over 19 million views already. She is getting the 60 minutes treatment. Watch this. I think that it only has ever been radicals that have changed this country. Do you call yourself a radical . Yeah, if thats what radical means, call me a radical. When you have a progressive tax rate system, your tax rate, lets say from zero to 75,000 may be 10 or 15 , et cetera. But once you get to like the tippytops, on your 10 millionth dollar, sometimes you see tax rates as high as 60 or 70 . So that tax proposal, 70 on income above 10 million sparking debate, getting support from Nobel Prize Winning columnist paul krugman and scorn on fox. I dont think they care. They simply want to stick to it the rich and stick to it President Trump. The most successful people will pull back i dont have to do anything, create any more jobs, start any businesses and im going to pull back. That is the rise of socialism. That is the false promise of government saving you from every aspect of life. All right. Joining me now, basel schmeichel, democratic strategist. I got that. Christine quinn, former speaker of the new york city council. Thats easier. There you go. I have a difficult name too. Ill give you that. And vice chair of the state democratic party, susan del percio. Basel, im going to start with you on this one. I want to start with the alexandria ocasiocortez interview because we left with that. Well start that w that here and paul krugman and what he says about this new tax plan that she is proposing. There is a piece he wrote in the New York Times oped section. Part of it says this. Its a policy nobody has ever implemented aside from the u. S. For 35 years after world war ii, including the most successful period of Economic Growth in our history. So paul krugman is saying this, a guy that knows the economy more than anybody. Right. And he is saying this could actually work, a 70 tax rate on people that make over 10 million. Its she says if you think thats radical, call me a radical. And you know what . There have been reports that have been done that say this can actually contribute 10s of millions, almost trillions, almost 73 trillion over ten years to our bottom line if it actually gets implemented. The concern is, a, i think it actually can work, but b, the concern is that those people will actually change their behavior. Thats the downside of it. So the question is can you actually collect all of the money you think you are from the taxes. You know, i want to applaud the congresswoman, because she has an idea, a really good idea, a green new deal, and shes putting out a plan of how to pay for it. We saw a tax cut that that, among other things has taken our deficit up 2 trillion. The president never put out a plan to how he would pay for the tax cut that he got through. Here you have a woman on her basically first day in Office Acting responsibly with a plan to pay for a new deal as opposed to the president who 2 trillion, its like nothing. He didnt have to show any cost savings to offset the tax cuts. And thats bad government. What do you make, susan, of this aoc phenomenon it seems, getting the 60 minutes treatment. There are people on both the left and the right that are criticizing her. Its not just the right. Its the left also saying you know what . Spend a little time in washington. Spend some time in office before you start putting policies out there like this one. Well, but the right just kind of baited her with that dancing video. Of course she danced when she was in college. Thats fine. And i actually think her response was perfect. Got a lot of reviews for it. Now when it comes to proposing a tax increase of 70 on those making 10 million or more, im pretty sure politically speaking there is a lot of democrats in washington who dont want that to be the conversation, one heading into 2020 which we all know what were talking about and with the looming tax shutdown. The interview went very well for her, but i think its time for her to learn the business, because she made a comment there that it doesnt matter what the facts are here or there, once or twice. Its the way you feel about it. Now morality over facts. I agree. Donald trump and his comments are a reflection of him which i think are horrible. But the same goes for her. Shes got to get the facts down. Shes got to learn the way of how to operate and respect that there is a process. Let me also just play this sound, and i want to get to the 2020 stuff too, because we have a lot of stuff to talk about with regards to 2020. I dont want to spend the whole time on aoc. Whoopi goldberg is also pretty critical of her. And you wouldnt necessarily expect it from someone like her. You just got in there, and i know you got lots of good ideas, but i would encourage you to sit still for a minute and learn the job before you start pooping on people and what theyve done. Youve got to do something too. Look, you cant disagree with dont criticize your colleagues. You cant disagree with that. Thats sound advice from whoopi, period. But look, this idea that you should wait your turn, i find that offensive. If women waited their turn, if lgbt people, if people of color, if disabled people waited their turn, wed still be at the back of the line from waiting your turn. Wait, wait, wait, wait your turn, everybody. Wait your turn. Basel, go ahead. The first branch of government mentioned in the constitution, and the fact is its probably the most traditional. Also probably the hardest to change. Having said that, if shes going to try to create a movement within the chamber in the way that shes tried to do outside of the chamber, i actually think that thats good writ large for everybody. I dont like the idea of her constantly being reprimanded. That actually does bother me a lot. I need to head up biden and beto. First biden, susan, is he going to run . And he thinks he is the only person who can beat trump. The question i have is any candidate who needs to be talked into doing it to be the savior of any party, and that candidate is not the one you want running, i dont care which party youre from, you want the candidate who doesnt need to be talked into it. I think that topic isnt that what an Exploratory Committee is . Am i popular enough . Do people like me . To a certain extent. Its what Elizabeth Warren has done, which i think kudos to her. She got out there first. She is testing the water. She is bringing her message out right now to the people of iowa. And thats for the democrats to decide. But the only way you run for president is that you actually run for president. And you dent get recruited and you dont say oh, ill be the party savior. Lets talk beto orourke quickly too. It looks like he is going to launch a road trip through texas heading up Community Colleges, talking to young people, seeing what the issues are that are most important to them. And also, if he has likability, if he is popular, if he can do it, if he wants to run for president here. What do i dont make of that, beto orourke sort of hitting up these Community Colleges . Is he really trying to go after the young vote, seeing if he has it . Clearly if he is going to Community Colleges, that tess focus, right . Its not about talking to the professors. Its about talking to the students and seeing how deep. But does it make sense . Congratulations to beto orourke. He ran an amazing race. He did great. But i have a little issue with the beto orourke phenomenon. Because Stacey Abrams did better than he did. Its a point thats been made a lot. Because hes a white guy. Lets say who it is. Nobody is talking about Stacey Abrams. Nobody is talking about andrew gillum. But this white guy does well and all of the sudden he is our savior. Thats not his fault, but we have to as americans talk about that, because it underscores the racism and sexism that still exists in this society and is rampant in american politics. Which brings me to the point so many of the polls show that the top of the ticket is voters prefer three white males runs for president. And for someone like me who is brought into the party by jesse jackson, by ron brown, who became the first African American head of the dnc, Shirley Chisholm and of course barack obama, i want to see more diversity on the ticket. If its biden, lets just say, hell be hard to beat but not impossible to beat. I think the number two position, the vp position is where youll start to see a lot more conversation about diversity and so on. Theyre going to kill me, but can a reverse ticket beat President Trump . Yes. But thats also assuming that President Trump is bog to run, which i do not believe he will. Ooh. Just saying. The show for another hour. Lets keep going. Basel schmeichel, susan del percio, i got it right, and christine quinn. Thank you, guys. Ahead, move over, District Attorney darth vader . There is a new meme. But first trump now threatening to declare a National Emergency to get his wall. We have the facts with a special guest, next. There goes our first big order. 44, 45, 46. How many of these did they order . Ooh, thats hot. You know, we could sell these. Nah. We dont bake. Opportunity. What we deliver by delivering. I thodid the ancestrydna toian. Find out im only 16 italian. So i went onto ancestry, soon learned that one of our ancestors was eastern european. 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One legal scholar writing using soldiers to build the wall would be a, quote, federal crime. With me, general barry mccaffrey, former battlefield commander, four star general. Thank you for joining us. Appreciate it. Is there a National Security emergency at the southern border . No, of course not. Weve got a broad policy of Asylum Seekers and immigrants which is ill thought out and unworkable. The border has around 700 miles of some obstacle planned. Arguably could use another 300 miles as assistance to border patrol. Congress doesnt agree. Congress has power of the purse. It is impossible for me to believe that an order by mr. Trump to the pentagon would be legally enforceable in the court system, it would divert in theory billions of dollars appropriated by congress for military training and maintenance and deployment activities and divert it to a different function. Normally when you reprogram any dollars in the federal government, you have to go back to the House Appropriations committee and request permission. Theres no way that would happen. So i think this is mostly a political gesture. So if the president were declare a National Emergency here, from what i understand, you think there could be resignations at a high level . Well, im not sure where that came from. I would doubt it. Look, i think the way a normal Government Works and this one isnt normal, when the white house issues an order to the pentagon, it normally comes having been staffed in the interagency. You would already have an attorney general opinion that it was legal, a state department would have ruled on it, the white house general counsel, and the dod general counsel. If there was a notion that it was patently illegal, theyd say so, and at that point youd have an immediate constitutional crisis. I dont think ordering soldiers to put up barriers on the u. S. Border is in any way necessarily illegal, it may be stupid, but its not illegal. I think diversion of funds is the crux of the issue. The president does not have dictatorial powers to spend money. What position would this put u. S. Military in if he were to declare a state of emergency . Well, i think look, it happened before, happens a lot. Any president has very broad, ill defined emergency powers. Weve seen u. S. Armed forces committed to urban riots, seen them ordered to deliver the mail, to support hurricane disasters. So the president has pretty broad powers. And congress intermittently tries to con strain him, to define them, to clarify them. It doesnt work. You want the president to have those kinds of emergency authority. Problem is you need a president that seeks counsel, consults congress and has a sense of integrity. If you dont, you end up with impulsive, bizarre orders. I think the congressman you interviewed had it right. This would be an incredibly bad policy decision. 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