Another step in the progress of this mueller probe. Now, what you see is much to the white houses dismay, neither the complaints in Rudy Giulianis interviews nor the endless witch hunt tweets are stopping this forward grinding progress of what mueller wants and what hes getting. So heres the news. A judge handing down a twoweek jail sentence to the former Trump Campaign adviser who set the russia probe in motion, George Papadopoulos. Now, the very light sentence for the crime of lying to the feds. But its also in its lightness and its leniency, a validation of the larger mueller strategy. Defy him, and face an endless legal sledge hammer. Paul manafort, of course, looking at years in jail with up to two trials remaining. Or the alternative, cooperate with mueller, flip and tell, and get a sentence so light you might reasonably forget about it some day. Note, the papadopoulos sentence is less time than any other person who have been sentenced. Now, in this hearing, late today, and thats why we have so much different breaking news right now. George papadopoulos told the judge he made a terrible mistake and wants to redeem himself. He publicly argued he lied to investigators partly because he wanted to distance himself from what he thought was probably an illegal action for dangerous information within the trump world itself. Papadopoulos not only flipped, which of course is formalized tonight, he also took another parting shot at his old boss donald trump on his way into jail. His lawyers arguing trump himself hindered this investigation more than papadopoulos ever could. George was listening to his preferred candidate, and his president of the United States opining that this was a witch hunt. But when george went in on january 27th, he was of the mindset this was not as significant as we have now all learned it to be. That is legalize for a version of the coffee boy defense. Trump also arguing papadopoulos not significant. I see papadopoulos today. I dont know papadopoulos. I dont know him. I saw him sitting in one picture at a table with me. Thats the only thing i know about him. I dont know him. But they got him on, i guess, a couple of lies is what theyre saying. Now, flynn, where the fbi said he didnt lie, but muellers people said he did lie. So i dont want to be set up with a perjury trap. Now, here is that picture of that table. Well put it up for you in that meeting in march 2016, papadopoulos lawyers also punched back about what happened in that room youre looking. They say while some rebuffed it, trump nodded, deferring to sessions who appeared to like the idea. Now, mueller is now effectively done with that defendant. But today he was putting another witness into that intimidating grand jury room. It was a busy day for mueller, randy creditco who has links to Julian Assange and roger stone was back there testifying. Of course, it makes you wonder, was mueller interested in wikileaks today or roger stone or both . We learned the answer. Take a look. How much of the questioning have you of assange . Very little. No, dont the major the majority of the questioning had to do with roger stone. Specific questions were not going to get into. You saw the lawyer trying to get creditco not to answer. That is big news tonight. Roger stone was the focus of the questions today in that grand jury room. Lets take it together. Bob mueller is hunting right now. Trumps lawyers, meanwhile, sending their own mixed signals about whether donald trump will ever face mueller. Rudy giuliani announced to much fanfare that trump wouldnt answer any questions about obstruction of justice, even in writing. That made headlines, he added later, well, nothings totally off the table. That is the public message from trumps lawyer. But remember the private message, according to Bob Woodwards reporting just this week is that its all the opposite and that trump himself told one of his own lawyers he didnt want to face mueller ever. Im joined now by maya wiley, former counsel to the mayor of new york city. And Msnbc Christian ferragus and bill kristol. Maya, when you look at the rudy argument there, if everything is on the table potentially, that means mueller would face trump in a certain situation, by woodwards reporting undercutting that and would make it seem like this is all posturing. Put that not context of bob mueller sending a trump aide to jail today. Well, if first of all, lets just say, a broken clock is right twice a day. And the broken clock of donald trump has said hes afraid of a perjury trap. Thats actually Rudy Giuliani talking point, which is interesting that the president used that today. I think what we have heard from the president is that he is concerned, despite the fact that he has repeatedly expressed his willingness. If im donald trump, im going to listen to my lawyers and im not going to talk to bob mueller. The reality is, its going to call into question whether or not muellers going to then take the step of a grand jury subpoena. I dont think youre going to see that anytime soon because of the midterm elections, obviously. But if youre donald trump, you are thinking about the fact that you have made inconsistent statements publicly and repeatedly. And therefore going in and having a conversation with bob mueller, very tough to thread that needle in a way that doesnt create a potential perjury charge. Bill kristol, what message do you read in the legal strategy of bob mueller giving papadopoulos effectively two weeks in jail . They asked for more, the judge decided on two weeks. Light sentence. You should cooperate with mueller, with the special counsel investigation, with the justice department, you shouldnt lie to the fbi. But if you do, you will be treated better. If its a small lie in the context of operation, its a big lie. It was interesting that trump cited flynn, thats very much on his mind, speaking of people cooperating, Michael Flynn who knows a lot more than papadopoulos im going to guess is continuing to cooperate, i believe, with the special counsel and had his sentencing put off two or three times to continue the cooperation. So the investigation goes on. It looks pretty safe for the next two months. I hate to say that, dont want to jinx it. For trump to do god knows what. I do think on november 6th, november 7th, if the democrats win the house, which is likely, the degree to which things will start happening very quickly cant be its just going to be remarkable. I assume mueller knows that as a political matter. I wonder how much hes aiming for that November December window to bring things to a close, to wrap it up and have a report. Christian . Im telling you the clock is ticking, i dont think, to be a contraryian, i dont think mueller is concerned about the election. Trump is not on the ballot box. Neither are his campaign aides, hes going to keep going with his work, all the hearings lined up in the coming days and weeks, the coming trial of manafort, manafort now in talks to possibly work out a plea deal. Hes going to keep working. He is not concerned about Political Considerations because none of the people so far involved in this are up for election. So his work is going to continue unimpeded. And the president is going to continue raging against his work only to his detriment and the detriment of his allies. I want to reach more into the papadopoulos part, maya, so new, and if you think back to this, we dont often know this much in realtime. But we learned from New York Times reporting it was papadopoulos who uncorked the entire investigation that began of course before there was any notion trump would be president and then of course turned into a special counsel probe. Here was his lawyer in court saying, loo ck, he was unsophisticated, naive, a fool, and he misled investigators to save his professional aspirations and serve a misguided loyalty to his master. How does that fit in, again, to the choices that other former trump aides are making here . Well, i think it fits into if you try to protect donald trump rather than telling the truth you will only end up not protecting yourself. You cant protect someone if they have actually committed a criminal act, or taken steps that makes it appear that theyve committed a criminal act, and youre actually going to do much more by coming forward and being honest. And i think with George Papadopoulos and his situation has made clear is tell the truth. And we know from mcgahn, right, that mcgahns approach has been to cooperate, to cooperate fully. He obviously is doing that in his own view for a variety of reasons, but thats another indication to the trump camp, if you are one of those people working for donald trump, thats a signal on how you should behave. I want the panel to stay with many e. I mentioned the breaking news. Control room tells me we have the reporter who broke this story. This is from bloomberg, joining me on a breaking story, that according to a news source, confirming the trump executives face a federal Campaign Finance probe from the new york federal prosecutors handling the cohen case. Greg, this is your story. What did you find . Hi, ari. Basically after cohen pleaded guilty last month there was a question as to whether the prosecutors at the Southern District were going to stand down. And move on to other things or keep going. And theyre keep going, theyre going to look and see whether the conduct that cohen pleaded guilty to, the Campaign Finance violations, which involved payments approved by several executives at the Trump Organization, if this pattern of conduct was more widespread. In other words, they seem to believe that this didnt just happen on this occasion with Stormy Daniels, but there might have been other Campaign Finance violations. So thats what theyre investigating. Its not clear that theyve found anything yet, but just that they havent closed the door on this probe. What youre saying is significant, its not prejudging where the probe goes, but it says that Michael Cohen in the eyes of the new york feds is the beginning, not the end of those now a Campaign Violations that he himself pled guilty to, as you know from your reporting and as many of our viewers have come to understand the Trump Organization could sound like a big large thing to many people who watch the apprentice, but actually has a small number of executives including trumps family members. Does your reporting shed any light . Well, as you pointed out, right, its not like a huge General Electric or ibm, there arent many people and a lot of them are family members who were there. So, you know, if any of them, if it turns out were involved in any kind of approvals or transactions that were labeled business expenses, but turned out to be Campaign Finance violations, you know, that could be a problem. So clearly the guy in the middle of this is the cfo, allen weisselberg, and its clear that weisselberg cooperated on the very narrow way in the cohen plea, just around the Stormy Daniels payments and those issues. Now, the question here is whether or not hes going to cooperate, you know, widespread because he saw or must have approved pretty much every type of expenditure that went out, or not. So thats going to be question one is to what degree hes going to be helpful because he literally knows like all the finances and all the, you know, payments that got made and approved, et cetera. Can you rule in or rule out trump family members . No, to rule out because if they were involved, and clearly several of them were involved with the campaign. Right. Therefore its quite possible some of them gave a green light like to paint it this way or that way. We dont know that. We dont know that. But youre not able to rule them out, and your reasonable inference, based on reporting youve done is that the people who overlap between the Trump Organization and the Trump Campaign the most were the family members and Michael Cohen, Michael Cohen being the person who pled guilty himself to the campaign crime. I want to read from your story and press you a bit not on the identity of your source, obviously as a fellow journalist, im not asking you that, but i will note your lead says after this conviction of Michael Cohen you have a person familiar with the matter telling you federal prosecutors in manhattan are investigating this. Does that mean this entire story, in your reporting, rests on a Single Source . Im not going to go beyond that. So, you know, that gets a little too close to, you know, thats what were saying. But, you know, we dont just go out with stuff unless we have an extremely high degree of confidence. Ill leave that at that. Are you saying that there is something beyond a Single Person that gives you that confidence . Not saying anything. Ill just leave it at that. When you say not saying anything, thats several words right there. Technically, you are saying words, greg. Its my job to press you. I understand what i think youre trying to convey, which is that you stand behind the story. Its a big story. Before i let you go, anything else that you would want to get to that we didnt . No, except theres a lot of news coming out tonight. We have a great story on manafort as well over and above George Papadopoulos, which we were just talking about, theres a few other scoops weve got here, one on, you know, talks in manaforts case of maybe a deal. So anyway im sorry, greg, youre reporting new information about a potential plea by Paul Manafort . Thats out on bloomberg now. Check that out as well. Not me, my colleagues. What can you tell us about that . I havent even gotten it to her yet. I just finished my story. Its one of those nights. I think well stay on all of them. Greg farrell, thanks for jumping on the phone. Maya, your reaction . My reaction is that this is both meaningful, not surprising. It would be more surprising to me if the Southern District of new york did not follow up on indications that there were ways in which the Trump Organization worked as we know from Michael Cohen that suggest that there may be a lot of improprieties here in how the financing worked. I also think that it suggests that this source is not someone from within the Southern District of new york, but is someone who might be within the Trump Organization. We should remember that weisselberg did not cooperate. Thats the wrong word legally. What he did was he no longer had the ability to assert the fifth amendment right not to incriminate himself because they said we wont come after you for what you say to us on this point so that he had to come and testify. Which is an important distinction. A big distinction. We are over on time given all the breaking news. Bill kristol, a final thought from you on how this all plays out if donald trump, given the week hes had, is learning as he does reportedly things through television, that theres this investigation into his organization which includes, of course, his family as officers, as well as a Single Source report from bloomberg, again reigniting speculation that mr. Manafort himself could plea. It looks like the investigation is pulling on many threads. And a lot of them are proving fruitful, or at least are leading to further things, which is how successful investigations work, how watergate worked to go back to the one that everyone thinks of, but its how generally good investigations work. The cohen thread, the thin papadopoulos thread. If i were donald trump, i would be very worried, does he have the nerve to fire people or pardon people . 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There are a lot of people out there, particularly democrats, who are saying the democrats have no message. They offer nothing, they have no solutions, and they have no message, and theres a reason that theyre not going to do well in november. Thats it. Is that true . Well, president obamas remarks are making waves tonight right now, and theyre important. So were going to actually broadcast and break down the top ten points that obama clearly ra laid out in his speech today right now. Im going to bring in special guests to help us do that. Columnist mike lubica and howard dean. Gentlemen, listen first to barack obama making clear he knows hes departing from tradition. I was also intent on following a wise american tradition of expresident s grace fully exiting the political stage. Im here today because this is one of those pivotal moments. And howard, he makes it clear why hes doing this, but then in point number two goes beyond trump. Who want to keep us divided and keep us angry and keep us cynical because it helps them maintain the status quo, and keep their power, and keep their privilege. It did not start with donald trump. He is a symptom, not the cause. Howard, is that right . It is right, and i think this is a unique time. I think the president did not want to get involved in this as president s traditionally dont. But barack obama has always been the moral leader of the country. You can say what you want about how effective he was or all these other things, but nobody questions his honesty or integrity. For that reason i think hes an extraordinary moral leader. I think he stepped in not for the sake of the democrats, i think he stepped in for the sake of the country. Thats well put. And, mike, he also hit russia which, of course, is on the minds of many right now. What happened to the Republican Party . Its central organizing principle in Foreign Policy was the fight against communism. And now theyre cozying up to the former head of the kgb. Mike . You know, its funny, ill put this in language im sure senator dean will understand from one of his favorite singing groups, do you know what got real today, ari . It got extremely real. And howards exactly right. Barack obama sounded like the moral leader of the United States of america and i think he just got tired of listening to everything and seeing everything that has happened, whether hes talking about nazis or russians or freedom of the press. That you dont go after freedom of the press because you dont like that theyre publishing stories that you dont like, or writing things about you. I was thinking today, you know, i would love for trump and obama to be in a town hall meeting, just the two of them, on a stage, if he thinks obama is so boring, and make it a pay purview event. I think we could raise a hell of a lot of money for charity. You say there are things barack obama may be tired of. Hes tired of donald trump taking obamas economic legacy. When you hear how great the economy is doing right now, lets remember when this started. Suddenly republicans are saying its a miracle. How important is it, and what is he saying to midterm candidates there, howard, if democrats also need to run on that . Well, i do actually agree with the thesis the democrats dont have a message. Thats a lot of republican washington political talk. The truth is, in all the elections, off year elections, including the one barack obama lost 63 seats in, the main message is were not trump. We dont have to say that because Trump Reminds everybody every day what they dont like about trump. What we have to have is individual messages, each district youve got connor lam on one end of the democratic spectrum, cortez on the other end. Locally, we need to talk and touch the people who want to vote for us. The message is we can do better, donald trump provides us an enormous amount of help in doing that. Hes departing from tradition, to say that donald trump is undermining the department of justice which, again, is a big deal coming from this exclusive club of the president and former president s. Take a look. It should not be a partisan issue to say that we do not pressure the attorney general or the fbi to use the criminal Justice System as a kujle to punish political opponents or to call on the attorney general to protect members of our own party from prosecution. Mike, why is that important for him to hit . Is that a midterm message or do you think thats just a moral message . I think its a moral message. I agree with what howard said, not only do the democrats have a message, it is this, were better than this. And now he wants the department of justice to go after the New York Times because of this oped piece . Go after the New York Times and do what . And find out what . And do what to the writer of this piece if the department of justice finds out . I mean, come on. Well, you mentioned the piece. And that was another thing he said that was very interesting. What im going to do is fit in a break. We have five of the key points from obama left. So my thanks to mike and governor dean. When we come back, what he is saying about why that rebuke of this famous, anonymous author of the antitrump New York Times oped, why that wasnt good enough. Back in 30 seconds. And packages. And its also a story about people. People who rely on us every day to deliver their dreams theyre handing us more than mail theyre handing us their business and while we make more ecommerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country, we never forget. That your business is our business the United States postal service. Priority you we have been covering in detail president Barack Obamas strongest rebuke of donald trump since obama left the white house. I am joined by leah wright rigeur. I can hear you a little bit. You can hear me . Low volume. Im going to try to play you something, if i lose you, i might go to howard dean. Thats how you know its a live show. Okay, all right. What i was going to say is that its been a point of debate across the whole country and certainly among trump critics, the relative weight of this rebuke of donald trump by this anonymous senior official. Fascinating to have barack obama weigh in, and he is not having it, does not think its good enough. Take a look. The claim that everything will turn out okay because there are people inside the white house who secretly arent following the president s orders, thats not how our democracy is supposed to work. Theyre not doing us a service by actively promoting 90 of the crazy stuff thats coming out of this white house, and then saying dont worry, were preventing the other 10 . Im going to go back to dnc chair howard dean, what do you think of barack obama there saying you can keep your darn anonymous oped. I think hes telling the truth. I am surprised because i didnt expect him to get into this. I think hes just keeply offended at what trump is doing to our democracy and our country. Thats striking. And as you say, a lot of this speech did seem to come from the heart. We have seen other obamas where hes very careful, certainly where he avoids criticizing people for various reasons, the tradition he mentioned. Here, he obviously read that oped recently and said thats no good. He also, again, took on the entire Republican Party, not just trump, which is key in the midterms because there are voters who might say, well, trumps not on the ballot, ill stick with the gop majority. The paranoia has unfortunately found a home in the Republican Party. Embraced wild conspiracy theories. Whats he doing there . You know, just what you said, trump has branded the Republican Party, look, i have friends, people i have considered friends on the republican side of the senate, people who i think are good people, they have failed to stand up for our country. Bob dole and Barry Goldwater went to tell dick nixon he had to resign. There is no statesmanship left in the Republican Party. Theyre manipulative, more interested in power than they are in the country. We need the republican to be back and strong. The Republican Party is absent in the throe of someone who is not fit to be president of the United States. That is, i think, what so upsets the last president of the United States. Right. Stay with me. Im going to continue our live dealers choice by bringing maya wiley back in. Two more key pieces, top ten from this obama speech. The first is him talking about what he views as criminal justice issues. If you are really concerned about how the criminal Justice System treats africanamericans, the best way to protest is to vote. And as for that voting, maya, he said this is even more important than any time hes been on the ballot. Take a look at this one. Now, some of you may think im exaggerating when i say this novembers elections are more important than any i can remember in my lifetime. Is that true . Yes. Go on. So its true because, number one, we are fundamentally having an election this midterm season thats about our democratic institutions. Its not actually an election about party right now. Its about whether or not were going to restore a balance of power inside the beltway that starts paying attention to whether our institutions are working for all americans. And as we know, were also in unprecedented times in terms of voter suppression. Right. Making it extremely difficult for a large percentage of the population to actually exercise the right to vote. We just heard that the department of justice is now being used basically, you want to talk about a witch hunt, talk about the department of justice trying to go find voter fraud when all the science tells us that this is not a real problem. And hes concerned that theres those efforts discouraging the vote as well as people saying, oh, well, maybe im not excited about a perfect candidate, the hope obama inspiration message used against democrats. Hes saying basically this aint coachella. You cannot sit back and wait for a savior. You cant opt out because you dont feel sufficiently inspired by this or that particular candidate. This is not a rock concert. This is not coachella. We dont need a messiah. I mean, to be clear, maya, beyonce did perform at coachella recently, and she is many peoples messiah. I would vote for her. What does he say there . Because we all know that one of the weird defenses of democratic turnaround is, oh, we didnt have an obama this year. Heres obama saying it aint about having an obama this year. This is important. This is barack obama remembering what 2016 was, which was that if the black vote, if the latino vote had come out in places like wisconsin, had come out in milwaukee, had come out in detroit, the differences in point spread could have made a difference in the election. Turnout is critical. And hes absolutely right, and i think the message is vote for the best person on the ballot, even if its not the person that makes you want to go and dance like beyonce. And dance like beyonce. Howard, did you ever expect american politics would turn on the president ial phrase this is not coachella . No. But hes right, of course. The issue is this, and i actually think ive been very impressed by the graciousness which the losers in some of these upset races have turned around and said were going to support you. To the new generation. It is not true that there is a left Center Divide in the democratic party. That is easy for the press, easy click bait for the press, the truth is theres a young old divide. The older people losing the races have been incredibly gracious about their defeats. And that is a very good sign for the party that we have matured and that we understand whats at stake here is the democracy of the United States. Well, thats a whole other fascinating thing id love to get you on on someone who did grassroots organizing, ran the party and might identify on the other side of that generational divide you mentioned, id love to get you back on the beat with some of those new faced candidates. Im going to bring in a break. And my apologies with the deck call difficulties with ms. Wright rigeur. Geoffrey owens is on the beat tonight. First its friday, and who needs to fall back, thats next. It lets you know when you go too fast. And brake too hard. With feedback to help you drive safer. Giving you the power to actually lower your cost. 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This is a fallback, but this is also, i think, news because some of our viewers are going to say, wait, if youre a parent at home, your kids are using these social media sites like instagram and theyre following accounts they think are people that are actually just like bots. Right. And then they think the bots have you know, i dont know if they are actually looking at something and believing it to be a real person. But they defend this person and would do, you know, would follow whatever this persons instincts are, what they would tell them to buy or do. So they become like people are looking up to these robots. Its scary. You know what needs to fall back, toxic masculinity. Theres a new ad i keep seeing in new york city, it features michael phelps. Therapy helped change his life. Exactly. We dont talk about the gender therapy, which is real, women are more likely to seek therapy than men and we often talk about the fact that women have more Mental Health issues, but women talk about their Mental Health issues more than men, but men experience a wide range of Mental Health problems. And for someone like michael phelps, you know, an accomplished athlete, what is he, 610, super tall, very quote unquote masculine, with those standards, for him to open up and say that therapy changed his life and it really helped him i think is a really great message for men to hear. I have a fallback as well, and i think its important, and its senator susan collins. Who runs as a prochoice candidate who told voters thats what she is. You see as this abortion fight plays out in Donald Trumps nominee to be on the Supreme Court she suddenly changes her tune and says, oh, well, maybe basically im okay with this. And by the way, if you run as being prolife, and you support that, then youre being honest with voters. But if you run as being whoachoice, and were learning just this week, late in the week, that judge kavanaugh was privately telling the Bush Administration well, roe v. Wade is not that settled and could be overturned, it seems to me like she needs to fall back from claiming shes really prochoice if shes going to cast her vote and make her career about this kind of choice, liz. My favorite thing was Camilla Harris asking during the hearings can you think of a single law that regulates the male body . And, you know, judge kavanaugh not being able to name a single law. Why do we have laws that regulate or, you know, sort of control womens bodies when we dont would never do the same thing for men. Because they want to control women. And also the fact that its still a conversation, its so upsetting, especially in our country. But, i mean, the fact that also a woman herself can be changing her tune on something thats so strong as if its just, yeah, some kind of law that involves like taxes or something. Were talking about our actual bodies here. And youre talking about something that is, for many people, a very significant choice that, again, the Supreme Court has said is there a choice . If youre going to change that, lets be honest about it under oath and in our politics. Alia, liz, thank you for a very special fallback friday. Up ahead, former cosby star Geoffrey Owens is on the beat tonight to talk about shaming, fox news attack on him and Donald Trumps values. Who wants customizable options chains . Ones that make it fast and easy to analyze and take action . How about some of the lowest options fees . Are you raising your hand . Good then its time for power e trade the platform, price and service that gives you the edge you need. Alright one quick game of rock, paper, scissors. 1, 2, 3, go. E trade. 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The articles about owens quickly backfired, terry crews and tyler perry praising him and noting most actors work side jobs. Calling owens hilarious about the dignity of work. Thanks for coming on the beat. Youre welcome. Was f since his cosby days including recently, cbss elementary. Youre wrong about the damages not being tangible. Articles about owens quickly backfired. Most actors work side jobs. About the dignity of work. Thanks for coming on the beat. Youre welcome. How are you . Im great. Was fox news job shaming you . I guess so. It is just an attempt to, you know, make someone feel small about what they have to do to make a living. To getting this onslaught of attention and getting a lot of people defending you and defending what it means to work . This has been quite a week. Surreal is the word that best describes it. Relative an no relative an none niche with t the pictures and the demeaning words. Which made me feel humiliated. Fortunately only lasted an hour or two. We started reading the posts and reactions all over the world. Something awful became something wonderful. I want to read from some of the reporting. She said she cant sleep, she feels she is unintentionally hurt someone. She said i would tell him i was extremely apologetic of what happened. I would like her to know that i had no illfeeling toward her. I would tell her that i forgive her. I want to put up on the screen here, something that President Trump has done. He has said he prefers hiring billionaires to anyone else and he prefers ivy eleague alums. Take a listen to him explaining that choice. So somebody said why did you appoint a rich person to be in charge of the economy. I said that is the kind of thinking we want. Really, they are representing the country. I love all people, rich or poor, in those positions i just dont want a poor person. Does that make sense . Does that make sense . I dont want to get into politics too much. But this is the man who said he preferred his war heroes who werent caught. Do you know what i mean . What do you mean . That is the kind of judgment we are dealing. Anybody who can say that for instance, about senator mccain, i dont respect his opinion about these matters either is what i am saying. Where do we go from here go ahead. I am taking in your question. Youre so expressive. Have you ever done dramatic work . I dont usually pause, but you went yeah, man, i should go into acting. How do you feel the internet has put you on blast wrongly and allowed a space for positivity as well. What i think is good about this is there is new sensitivity about what it means to work. We are rethinking, revaultieval what it means to work. And certain jobs are better than others or superior to others. When i worked at trader joes i had a tremendous sense of satisfaction of peace. You know the expression something couldnt happen to a nicer guy. It couldnt happen to a more thoughtful guy. 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