Account. The ceo of at t saying hiring cohen was a mistake and a serious misjudgment. I want to tell you something right off the top. Whatever you think of donald trump or Michael Cohen, this is now also a story about corporate influence peddeling and wall street deception. The Washington Post has obtained what it says are the internal at t documents. At t hasnt confirmed this. They appear to show that the leadership of at t has known about all of this from the start n writing, with the numbers that cohens role and his scope was defined and that he was working on literally the companys biggest priority of the year, a giant Merger Acquisition of time warner. So at t knew. And now tonight they claim this is a mistake after getting busted by of all people Stormy Daniels lawyer Michael Avenatti what dropped this proverbial dime. This new evidence doesnt state how much donald trump knew but anyone who covered trump knows outside his family members his most trusted aide long before politics is Michael Cohen. Some people dont like what they see when they look in the mirror. The question is what do you do when that happens . Do you take that negative feeling when you are looking in the mirror and apply it to change yourself . Or do you try to spit it out at other people . Do you blame or accuse others of i dont know the swampiness that may actually reside inside you. You can probably see where im going with this. Here is Donald Trumps new message. Same as the old one. Under my administration, we are fighting against the lobbyists, the special interests, and the corrupt washington politics. You can send us republicans like mike braun to drain the swamp. I am joined by attorney maya wiley former counsel to the mayor of new york and karen leifler. Thank you both for being here. Maya, this is one of those things where corporations feel and determine they must admit wrongdoing. That is how bad this is. There was no three days of maybe we have every right to do this. There was immediately at t we messed up, this was wrong, this was a misjudgment. Yet thinking people, and we know many smart people are among our viewers, obviously know this is only because avenatti outed them. Exactly. This is business as usual. There is actually nothing illegal about influence peddling, meaning we will give you money if you help us gain influence and access. There obviously may be some serious ethics violations for Michael Cohen in addition to what happened to that money and how did it get spent. But at this point the real issue is that, you know, its the hypocrisy of the Trump Administration. Right . If hypocrisy were a crime trump would be serving a life sentence because his point about draining the swamp, take his executive order from january 2017 where he said, if you have been a lobbyist for a firm and you are being offered a position in government in which you are dealing with the same issues, you have to actually get a waiver to hold that position. And there are at least 30 cases that we know of where apparently thats waivers were not given to people that they have appointed. As you so often do, you put your finger right on it. And what Michael Cohen was doing, according to these new documents from at t, was helping them get a merger approved, which looks like lobbying. Yes. And to paraphrase a legal scholar you may be familiar. Big pun famously said, im not a player, i just crush a lot, implying he was actually doing the playing and Michael Cohens position here seems to be im not a lobbyist, i just lobby a lot. I just influence. Remember, clearly the question is did he try to set up any meetings or have any meetings . So there is still more information we have to get. But its hard to imagine he was getting paid oh, 1 million, 600,000, and how do you lobby for the at t merger without lobbying . Well, you just give them advice about something you know nothing about. Apparently, what he was getting paid all that money to do. At the same time the real question i think is what did trump know. Its very, very hard to get a bribery charge now after the Supreme Court opinion after former Virginia Governor mcdonald. U. S. V mcdonald. We have been covering that on the show this week. That was a unanimous decision. Karen, listen to Michael Cohen back in the day accusing people of exactly the problem this week. When you Start Talking about somebody since 2013 who has been successful in making over26 million by special Interest Groups including wall street, the banks, and so on, thats not somebody thats on the side of the guy who is struggling. These tapes dont make him look very consistent. Karen, maya mentioned that hypocrisy is frustrating but its not automatically a crime. What do you see as a prosecutor as the key exposure here . Well, the issue is maya is absolutely right if all cohen was doing was running around saying, hey i know the president , i know the president , give me lots of money and they did and there were no connections to trump, then you have stuff that stinks. It is a my asthma of putrid swatchiness but its not a crime. The issue i mean, there arent a lot of good tools after the mcdonald decision, after the skilg decision for bribery you have to have a direct quid pro quo, for extortion you are speaking about the enron prosecutions, bob mueller ran that task force. Tell us more about what you mean . What i meant is there was an the Honest Services fraud statute, which allowed you to it was used in a private situation not always for the government when you were violating your Honest Services by taking money. And it was cut back in the enron case when they reversed skillings prosecution. Im saying the tools for prosecution have been narrowed. When you are talking about mr. Cohens situation you are talking about did he have connections to Public Officials . There are lobbying statutes but they are specific about what lobbying is. There are bribery and extortion but you have to have a direct quid pro quo for the bribery and the definition of what official act was done in exchange for the money is pretty narrow after mcdonald. I dont want to get into massive technical issues, but inside a lot more facts that why not, karen only mueller knows. Its friday night. You dont want to get into the official acts doctrine there . Well, no. You know, lets face it, im a legal beagle. Ive been doing prosecution for 30 years. There is a hobbs act which has to do with extortion. And that would require a demand from for example, from mr. Cohen saying you know give me this money or i will affect your business. In fairness, we dont have information that such economists. Obviously mueller knows a lot more than we do. For a bribe you have to have a really direct quid pro quo these days, as in i will take this official act if you give me this money. Those are all factbased determinations that you have to that you have to have in order the prove those statutes. Now, there are also statutes for mail and wire fraud which involve a scheme to defraud and take money although its hard to show that the companies were in any way defrauded because they decided to throw money at this guy because he said hey i know trump. The connections to the administration and to the Public Officials are very important. No obviously federal law if the companies wanted to make it rain and throw money out the window and waste their money. I wonder if there is a fiduciary duty there and thats not criminal. It is friday night so im going to keep us moving. Karen, you bring us the details because of your many decades in federal law enforcement. Stay with us. Maya says with us to add to the conversation from another angle, austin evers, he is announcing tonight they have a plan to get more of the secret information. What are you going to do . A lot of people are pointing out that its too soon to write this off as not bribery, not a scheme to defraud. We need more facts. So we are at american oversight file foyer requests across the federal government to find out what kind of access Michael Cohen was able to get his clients. D. O. D. We know that the Korean Aerospace company was trying to get a contract there. Novartis their stocks are skyrocketing today because Donald Trump Backed off of his pledge to go after drug pricing. Everywhere that Michael Cohens clients were interested they seem to be winning. We are going to pull out the meetings that show meetings with Public Officials and these companies. We already found one, by accident. We sued for the fcc chairmans calendar last year, and we decided to check it today. You know what we found out . One month after Michael Cohen was hired, the ceo of at t and the gentleman who was fired today met with scc chairman pie in barcelona for a private dinner. Thats good access. What does that mean. When you are trying to prosecute one of these cases are trying to make the moral case in the public you to know influence was actually peddle. Lets pause there. What you are really saying is the defense thats expected from cohen is everyone was wasting their money and he was lightly not fully defrauding just lightly misleading them that he could do more than he could. You are saying if you get records, that you might find he was actually influential. Michael cohen might have thought novartis and at t were stupid but they are not. They thought they were getting something for their money. And he might think we are stupid by believing him that he got all this nun and did nothing. We are already finding evidence that the influence got them second quart access. And the American Public may have paid a price. In fairness, let me play the white house rebuttal to this from Sarah Huckabee sanders. They started off flat footed early in the week but they have stroengenned their response. I would love to get mayas view on this. Listen. I think this further proves the white house is not going to be influenced by special interests this is the i think so definition of draining the swamp. Definition of draining the swamp. I think its clear that the department of justice opposed the merger. Certainly the president has not been influenced by any or his administration influenced by any outside special interests. Maya . I think thats a strong fact for the administration. Remember, donald trump actually opposed the merger when he was a candidate. As far as we know, he hasnt changed his mind. We dont know the department of justice may have made the decision without regard to any conversation with the white house. We just dont know. I think the point is at least from the public optics, they can say what influence peddling . We didnt do what at t wanted. I think its absolutely right. We have to know what Michael Cohen tried to do. And we have to know how this ends. Certainly if there was a change of decision, and how that decision got changed. We would want to know why. But i think it is a strong fact for the administration. You make a good point in all objectivity and fairness. It also speaks to why at t may be rushing out these documents. In other words, if these are verified real things then they can show we paid him for this thing and we didnt win on it. At t out in front of their exposure even if Michael Cohen has other fraud on wire fraud and other things. Go ahead. At t spend a huge amount of money on lobbying. They are one of the big spenders. What they spent with Michael Cohen is actually a small percentage of their overall dollars. Novartis spent a higher percentage of their lobbying dollars. I think it was 9 million and they gave him over 1 million. A huge chunk. At t spends so much money on lobbyists they even hire people who are registered as lobbyists. It is a lobbyist registration joke. Thats how you know you are watching the b. Maya, karen, and austin thank you. Maya koms comes back for fallback friday. Coming up, foreign donations are under the bob mueller probe. Where did the money come from. And the chief of staff calling out immigrants in blatant terms. And democrats responding to naders tough challenge to the party of the right here on the beat. Democratic party stop skate goating look until the mirror and ask yourself why you cannot landslide the worst, the most ignorant, the most corporate indentures the cruellest Republican Party in history. Ralph nader was breathing fire last night. All that plus fallback friday tonight. Im ari melber. You are watching the baet on msnbc. This is bills yard. And bill has a noweeds, not in my yard policy. But with scotts turf builder weed feed, bill has nothing to worry about. It kills weeds and greens grass, guaranteed. This is a scotts yard. And greens grass, guaranteed. From only the thickest, juiciest heinz tomatoes. 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Donald trump doesnt need that. He is plenty rich. Plenty rich. But tonight its clear the question of financial desperation does loom over this investigation. Mueller may have a strong handle on the finances because he is believed to already have in his possession something donald trump refused to share with the public, unlike most modern candidates. Are you going the release your tax returns . Right now im under routine audit. Nobody cares. I will release my tax returns against my lawyers wishes when she releases her 33,000 emails. You know the only one that cares about my tax returns are the reporters. An investigation like mutualers would typically subpoena trumps tax returns and Michael Cohens could be next. On the there are new reports mueller is not only probing money that went to those men but other sources like Donald Trumps inaugural committee which took in a record 107 million. The question is whether that money was linked to the middle east or russia. Heres the man who ran that committee. Tom bearic. Everybody would like to be close to the president and the president elect. I think there is a spot for everybody. Of course he needs to put his own signature on the things that are important to him. Now were the spots for sale. Muellers team interviewed bearic and we know russian oligarchs attended the inauguration. Vekselberg, and the female lawyer who was at the meeting. It continues. Take vekselbergs cousin implicated in the cohen money plot. He was at the inauguration and added a quarter of a million in donations to the committee. Im joined by a federal prosecutor who worked with bob mueller at the d. O. J. Bob lewis and kennedy lanian. Thanks to both of you for being here. Ken at a certain point it seems like a lot of people just happened to be at that inauguration. For sure, ari. One thing we know about the Mueller Investigation at its heart its about improper influence. Did the russians improperly influence the Election Campaign . Now its whether the russians or the united emrates was seeking to improperly influence the Trump Administration. How do you look at that . The flow of money. Now apparently mueller is asking questions whether people linked to foreign governments donated to this inaugural fund. Its lilg for foreign governments to donate. We have no evidence that that happened. But the relative of vex vex donated 250,000 to the nallural. Apparently thats a subject of mueller. The flip side, its not as if the inaugural fund is a personal spending machine of the trumps. Its in the like they could take millions of dollars and just give it to their friend, right. Thats right, ari. Unless wait a minute. Hold on. I have something right here. Hold on. Unless you count Melania Trump funneling 26 million to a firm controlled by Winston Wolkoff who was not only a close ally but who directly worked for her government office. I guess you have to factor that in. Ari, its always about the money. Any time we had an opportunity as federal prosecutors to subpoena tax returns, to subpoena financial records, follow the money, thats what we were taught very early on. You can always bring cooperators in, people who like flynn, like papadopoulos all these guys who have pled guilty to but you really need a paper trail. You need corroboration to figure out how strong their testimony really is. And thats where i thought the weak points of this investigation always were. Bob mueller is very, very good, ari, at following the money. And i think thats what they have been doing for months and months and months. Ken . Yeah, i think the point you are raising about all of those millions of dollars funneled to a friend of the first lady is important though because it shows that there is a question about whether the money went. If there were improper donations a question . I mean, look, man. You are right. Its not a question where it went but a question whether that was appropriate. If in fact some of these donations were made for maligned purposes to influence, you know, this just didnt go to buy ribbons and confetti here. This i think thats a really important issue. And it looks like the potential ill say it because i appreciate how careful you are being. I try to be careful but on this one it looks like the question of the potential defrauding of this spit that relates to the kick off of the new administration a quausy governmental entity. Listen to rachel maddow. The mystery that remains from day one of the Trump Administration from the Trump Inauguration is that it would seem just based on what it cost to produce the obama inauguration and the size of the trump one it would seem that the Trump Inauguration likely has tens of millions of dollars left over. And adding to the mystery and the sense of intrigue around this they really cant figure out what it is they want to say about what happened to all that money . Im not just playing that because we love rachel. Rachel was on this early, guy, and it seems that so was mueller. Yeah. I think they are going to be able to get the answers that ari you are raising to the questions that you are raising right now, where did the money go . Where did it go . Listen, bet your Bottom Dollar that at t didnt cough up 600,000 because they liked Michael Cohen. Novartis didnt cough up 1. 2 million because they thought he was a sharp dresser. They are giving them money for a reason, for a purpose. Now whether that goes to trump i havent seen that evidence yet. Fair. But certainly they have got cohen in the cross hairs. And they are trying to do, really, i think they are trying to do again, an old prosecutorial trick not a trick. A tactic. You investigate the lower guys on the totem pole, you flip emthis. Just like they are trying to do to manafort i think they are doing the same thing the cohen. Real quick. We are gaga right now over the detail in these records, the payments from at t and novartis to Michael Cohen because they have been made public. Imagine what Robert Mueller has. Yeah. Assuming he has all of Donald Trumps bank records, all of Michael Cohens bank records, presumably their tax returns. Imagine what he is sitting on and what it could tell us when its finally made public. And essential consultants which should be really essential consultant. Michael cohen, audience of one. Is that the first and only time there has been a shell account set up or not . Thats another question bob mueller may already have the answer to. Ahead, it was a year ago today that trump said this russia thing was behind the comey firing. Why that moment matters in the firing. And biden says decency has hit rock bottom and what democrats are doing about all of that when we come back in 60 seconds. 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Im not going to validate a leake. Does kelly sadler still work at this white house . Yes, she does. There are rhys. Er ways to condemn who was reportedly said. Meanwhile, jon mccains daughter says she cant believe it. I dont understand what kinds of environment you are working in when that would be acceptable and you can come to work the next day and still have a job. Chief of staff john kelly under fire for comments about illegal immigrants. The vast majority of people that move into the United States are knot not criminals, not ms13. But they are also people that do not easily assimilate into the United States. They are overwhelmingly rural people. In the countries they come from fourth fifth sixth grade educations are the norm. They are coming here for a reason. I sympathize for the reason but the laws are the laws. He managed to insult both the immigrants and americans. We are a rural country. Then you have epa secretary scott pruitt withetics violations. You have the russia probe. You have the questions about decency. You have trumps approval steady with republicans supporting hip. Then you have the question of how do you take it all on. It was building is in a sbrfrgs that spanned several topics last night ralph nader hammered democrats back and issued this challenge. I think the Democrat Party should take the third party agenda away for it. A living wage, Democratic Party stop scapegoating look in the mirror and ask yourself why you cannot landslide the worst, the most ignorant, the most corporate indentured, the cruellest Republican Party in history. Look in the mirror. A strong challenge to democrats. And we turn to a prominent democrat, Cornell Belcher. Also mike murphy an msnbc political annist who was a strategist for none other than john mccain. I will get to that beef in a second, mr. Murphy. But cornell, your response to ralph . I think its fair. Right . I think if you look at Barack Obamas back to back majorities, right, and we grew the electorate and we brought in a lot of young voters. And they were obama voters. Right . And these young voters, young, vie ders voters, they were obama voters. And they werent necessarily hard core democrats. I think democrats need to work harder at bringing the young voters in. When you look at what happened in 2016. I argue it wasnt so much what trump did it was what we failed to do. If you look at the protest vote of those young people who once upon a time were obama voters, 6 or 8 of them breaking third party in most of the ballots ground states that broke Hillary Clintons losing margin. What is the democrats midterm message other than opposing trump . Thats the thing, right . If you look at polling that i have been doing, the check trump message is a strong message but it resonates mostly with core democrat voters and voters who are with us already. When you look at younger voters, millennials, particularly millennials of color. Fighting racism, stopping racial profiling, criminal justice reform, these are not secondary issue concerns. These are issue concerns that are in some cases trumping economic concerns. I think democrats have to mix their economics message also with something that shows the young people they are actually fighting for them. Mike your view on this issue . I think thats correct. What happens is very easy in politics to go for the applause line with your base. The democrats get all the we dont like trump stuff for free. Trump gives them that gift every minute of every day. The question is can they do what they didnt do. I agree with cornle and resonate with people who want change. Because they got none of that with hillary and middle class economics. Stagnant Wages Health Care stuff like that. Thats normally where elections are won or lost and thats where the democrats need to make some traction. They have been tone deaf to it. Your view of both the original reported comment that john mccain who you have worked for is going to die anyway so who cares about his vote in the senate and then the white houses lack of any accountability on it . Well, you know, im deeply offended. Onis a friend of mine. I worked with him on the Straight Talk express in 2000. Spent a lot of time with him. I have tremendous admiration for him. Today is high Blood Pressure for me. The culture in this white house, the low bar for people. They should have fired the staffer yesterday and sent her back to reverend moons newspaper where they found her. I cant believe there is not an apology from the top and a new person in her job. But those are the new rules and ultimately trump set the culture. To echo what you are saying the tone is from the top because we have this celebrity insult president i wonder if we delve deeper, what do you think it is about john mccain, about his service, about his style, about his leadership, that seems to so threaten donald trump and the people around him . Well, i think there are two thing. One, they have legitimate policy difference but its not in the trump dna to accept any difference as legitimate. So if you are not with, you know, the leader, the boss, then you are a problem and you are going to be attacked childishly. On other level trump is a bully. If there is one thing john mccain cant stand and i spent time with him and admire this about him he has no acceptance of bullies whatsoever. He and other republicans have not been afraid to stand up to trump. Trump cant stand it. There is definitely bad blood. I think the moral contrast between the actions of president as president and as a candidate and john mccains service to the country its not a contest. Its spit balls against a battleship. I think this behavior will be a stain on the white house for some time. They should have rectified it yesterday. Its stunning that they rolled Sarah Huckabee sanders who can normally put the truth in a good choke hold but to have her blase response was insulting to me regardless of my political disagreements with john mccain. White house staff they dont just work for donald trump. They paid by us, the taxpayer. These are public positions. Cornell, one of the issues here is that the atrocious and the horrific gets slowly normalized and i think its part of all of our jobs to watch out for that. So i want to play again where the tone comes from, which was Donald Trumps insult not just to senator mccain but i think to anyone who has served in uniform when he said this hes not a war hero. Hes a war hero. Hes a war hero because he was captured. I like people who werent captured. Okay . I hate you tell you. Final thought cornell. We the American People have to fix this. The truth of the matter is donald trump won with 46 . The people who voted for him. Middle americans church going people have to look in the mirror and say is this what we want to represent accept our country . Only we can fix this. Great. Well im out of time. The only time donald trump snooshs real quick. Okay. I said the only beach donald trump hit in his life was his bone spurs at studio 54. Its repulsive for me that he would Say Something like that. Im glad i gave extra time for that roast here on a friday. Rooted in fact. Thanks the both of you. I want to turn to Howard Feynman to talk about what happened right here a year ago. I was going to fire comey knowing there was no good time to do it. In fact, when i decided to just do it i said to myself i said, you know, this russia thing with trump and russia is a made up story. This russia thing, Donald Trumps infamous interview with Nbcs Lester Holt revealed that russia by his own account was part of why he fired comey. Six days after that interview the goose began cooking because his own appointee, Rod Rosenstein appointed bob mueller. To this day mueller wants to ask about that firing. Chief of staff john kelly admitting trump is embarrassed by it. There may not be a cloud but clearly the president is somewhat embarrassed frankly when World Leaders come in. Bb netanyahu was here, who is under investigation himself. You walk in and the topic goes to that thing. Thats tough on those two people under investigation. Mike pence says its about time to wrap it up. Its been about a year since this investigation began. Our administration has provided over a million documents. We fully cooperated in it. In the interests of the country i think its time to wrap it up. Im joined pie msnbcs Howard Feynman. Sir, that interview, was it an Inflection Point . What does it mean now . It was the launch point. I have wondered since and i have been wondering now why donald trump said what he said. It wasnt accidental. I think we can conclude even from the steele dossier and other places that donald trump has some sort of deep almost sort of animal sense of danger and how to avoid it or how to work around it. What was he doing there . And i think first of all he was sort of, as Chris Matthews said in his book hart ball he was hanging a lantern on his problem. He knew this was going to be a problem and he put it out there because thats the strategy and thats the kinds of strategy donald trump uses. In the law there is a term confession and avoidance. He is saying okay yeah, maybe there was i was worried about that, but so what, because it is a phony investigation. And then let me ask you on that yes, go ahead. Let me ask you, is that also a product of a surging arrogant high. Yes. Because he is telling the russians in oval office and even telling them on tv we know he loves talking on tv. Look what i did, i did it and maybe he did think the heat was off. Maybe he didnt think Rod Rosenstein who was cosigning the letter to fire comey was going to turn around and hire bob mueller as a special counsel. I think the third thing here, ari is as you have been saying and reporting earlier in the show there is so much now flowing that im sure donald trump knew about back then concerning the money, concerning the ties to russia, concerning the real estate, concern Michael Cohen. You name it. That in a way i think he might have thought that collusion, the whole thing excuse me obstruction. Obstruction, yeah. That obstruction was the least of his problems. Those are the only things i can come up with, plus your ego trip thing as to why he did what he did. But it had the because he is a new york guy who is used to rolling over people with egodriven tactics in new york, because he didnt understand washington, and he didnt understand federal investigations or federal investigators, that by saying what he said to lester holt, which had an element of bravado in it, was the very essence of the kind of obstruction that the feds were going to be looking at. Right. And thats where we are right now. A very kanye thing to do. Right. Listen to him on comey in the same interview. Did you ask am i under investigation . I actually asked him. Yes. I said, if the its possible, will you let me know, am i under investigation . He said, you are not under investigation. We are almost out of time. Howard, final thought . Thats what federal investigators say to somebody who is under investigation. True, and fair, Howard Feynman thank you for being part of our coverage tonight. 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I grew up in the forests out in this area and honestly its heartbreaking to see all these trees dying. What guides me is ensuring that the public is going to be safer and that these forests can be sustained and enjoyed by the community in the future. Its friday on the beat. And that couldk only mean one thing. Its time to fall back. With me. Actor at rick vallez. From chicago p. D. , blue bloods, law and order svu, and the first purge, coming out july 4th. Back with me, of course, maya wiley and Cornell Belcher joining us for fall back as well. Maya, who needs to fall back . Where should we begin. Its been one of these weeks. Senator mike shirky from michigan who has decided not only people who are trying to take care of sick family members or other reasons if they are not able to work must work. He decided that that requirement to get medicaid benefits should actually be exempted for largely white Rural Communities but black cities like detroit and flint should still have to work for those benefits. Thats called race discrimination. He is literally saying this is something against the cities and exempting rural areas. He has said if its county counties with 8. 5 unemployment, which means are exempt. That means places like detroit that are in wealthy counties but are poor cities and largely black dont get the same benefit. Its also as a result of saying, when we said people should have to work we dont think its good policy so we will just make the black people do night i think we do a double on that. A fall back and a messed up. Bigger than messed up. Patrick, who else needs to fall back. Some of the artists in the Music Industry also need to fall back. Who are you thinking of . The new artists trippy red and 69. This is the first 69 reference on the beat. Go ahead, sir. I respect their grind and i resepect their hustle and what they are doing. But the thing is, i do not like how they be having so many guns and so many guns and so many violence inside their music videos. Its taking a toll on the young kids. The kids they look up to the artists and its not a good look. Because what happens is these people think i can be a bigtime artist and now they want to get a gun and start shooting and all of a sudden but thats artists arent actually doing these things. So i just think that its just all a bad look. It is interesting coming from you because as you know in the history there were people who were seen as perhaps coming outside of the community of conversation, bill oreilly or Stevie Lawrence tucker who tupac would debate dont pick on us from outside. It sounds you are coming from the inside and saying i want to support the music but dont want to see the negative violence images. Right, i dont want to hear no kid getting killed from the artists. I dont want to see anyone getting robbed because this artist is saying this and putting that in their music videos. I just think that these artists really need to understand how they have such a big influence. Right. I appreciate you bringing that to the table especially given the proposition of gun violence. On a lighter note i would ask do you think 69 has too many tattoos. Tattoos are cool. I wouldnt put none on my face because it would hurt but it worked for him. Face tattoos are a big choice. A big choice. Maya, do you have a position on that. Im stuck on oliver north who was talking about civil terrorism and comparing students in parkland who have been fighting gun violence to terrorists. So im more focused there where someone who is you essentially a gun runner is attacking kids. You are saying oliver north should fall back. It is wild he is getting this promotion. It is crazy. Its crazy. Look, not only that, he using language like counterpunch for kids that have been traumatized who are literally in the process of trying to put together a yearbook in a year in which 17 of their teachers and classmates were killed by gun violence. And comparing them actually to civil rights abuses and jim crow . Its off the charts. My gosh. And the man was running guns. He was a gun runner. Let me bring in cornell as promised. Who needs to fall back on your list this week. Those are two great fallbacks. My fallback kelly sadler is it could be her as well. But mine is white people calling police on black people for doing random stuff. For calling asleep in dorms, for barbecuing in the park, for playing golf too slow. You all need to fall back and reassess your life and stop with the white privilege. Maya, you were involved in the civilian review board about misconduct in new york. What do these stories say to you because it is obviously Something Different than whats being phoned in. Obviously people shouldnt be calling in on these kinds of case but once the police come in they should real these arent cases you arrest someone for. They should say we dont take these people to jail because they are just living their lives. Almost out of time. Do you know what the cross tab favre unfaves are for takashi 69 . Do you know his Favorability Ratings are . Is that something you polled . No, but i would like to put that poll in the field real soon. We cuffed as much ground as i think we could in a single segment. My thanks to my guests. Well be right back with one more thing. You wouldnt accept an incomplete job from any one else. Why accept it from your allergy pills . Flonase relieves your worst symptoms including nasal congestion, which most pills dont. Flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances. Most pills only block one. Flonase. 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