Daniels case. Her lawyer saying she was physically threatened to stay silent about an alleged relationship with donald trump. Was she threatened in any way . Yes. Physical harm . Yes. Did it come directly from the president of the United States . I will not answer that. Can you deny that . I will not confirm nor deny. They also addressed the allegations at the White House Press briefing. Wondering if you talked to the president about that, if he knows who might have threatened her and more generally if he has more concerns about women accusers being threatened in that way. Obviously, we take the safety and security of any person seriously. Certainly would condemn anyone being threatened. I have knowledge of that and would refer you to the president s outside attorneys. That is the right answer, by the way, condemning any prospective threat. We dont even know what hes alleging or who hes alleging it about. Donald trump does have a history of working with people and maintaining them on staff even after there are public accouns. S known to carry a pistol, his right. He told reporters in 2011 his role is to fix any problem. If you do something wrong im going to come at you, grab you by the neck. Note the imagery. And im not going to let you go until im finished. Those are his words. You can put those to the side as aggressive lawyering which does sometimes happen especially in the passionate heat of retorical debates. Longtime bodyguard Keith Schiller left the white house in september. He remains on the rnc payroll. Right there with a credentialed journalist he was removing jorge r ramos from a very famous press conference. He also punched a protester outside trump tower. Stop it stop it former counsel to the mayor of new york city, who has covered these a lot. And by attorney nancy erika smith. Against fox news ceo roger ailes. Welcome to each of you. This is an unusual story to be covering. As you know, its important to be clear its an explosive allegation but not one with a ton of detail on it. Maya, what do you make, first legally, of this lawyer going into what we expect to be a very controversial 60 minutes interview in the future, making this allegation . I was surprised by it, quite frankly. One reason is because legally speaking since they are litigating over the question of whether or not the temporary restraining order around the nondisclosure agreement was appropriately issued by an arbitrator, normally you would use a claim of physical force or coercion or duress to null and void the agreement. Ten days ago they went into l. A. Superior court. Its interesting and kind of confusing that were just hearing this today. Lets get right to it. We chop it up. Were going to open with legal skepticism, nancy. I had a similar thought. Which is the current claim from this same lawyer for voiding the contract is a missing signature and a vague claim of unconcionability. You can kind of throw in anything. If they had this physical duress claim wouldnt it be in, as maya said, the papers . You would think so. We havent seen the restraining order. We dont know what he was restrained about. He was very circumspect in what he said. He didnt put it out there. He was answering a question. Its hard to tell whats going on when we have secret corporate courts in this country where you have arbitrations for something this important to our whole nation is taking place in secrecy. You think this is too important to be kept out of court . Absolutely. Let me show an exchange from another one of our friends of the show, shelby holiday, who pushed the same lawyer on this similar line of questioning earlier in the show about why she signed. Why did she sign this agreement in the first place if she wanted to tell her story . I think shes going to disclose that. In fact, im highly confident that if this interview is aired at some point in time, that answer will be given. Youre saying in the 60 minutes interview she is going to reveal details as to why she took the money at the time and a logical reason for why she wants to do undo that . Im not going to state exactly whats in the interview. I think you did just allude to it. Im going to say that issue, im confident, will be touched upon. How about that . Too many lawyers. But it seems when we connect all these dots that he is moving forward and hes obviously doing this in the public forum, revealing little bits and bits more what he was previewing there and what he made official today is this other argument that apparently were going to get a lot of detail on in 60 minutes. Donald trump loves to criticize the media. Theres a risk in putting all of this and letting the media sort of litigate this instead of courts. He can just say its fake news. But i still think this is an important story. Its the first time that, you know, theres a story that involves a woman and donald trump in a post me too era, where men cant necessarily buy off womens silence and powerful men, who were friends with donald trump, like bill owe rry and roger ailes, buying off the silence of women. Now we are listening to what women say and, and, and youre kind of wondering, what does Stormy Daniels know that donald trump doesnt want us to know . Wonder if you could broaden this out for us in terms of the legal fight and womens advocates and feminism figure in. People talking about receipts. Were hearing a lot about what i think is so important, which is legal receipts, whether its at the oscars and were talking about the inclusion rider or your client, gretchen carlson, talking about these ndas. Why do you think womens advocates are talking about these details and how to fix them . Ive been a lawyer for 38 years and we havent made a dent in Sexual Harassment until we had journalism reveal these secret deals. And the women dont want them. Maybe you and liz should yes. My clients dont want them. Theyve been sexually harassed. Theyre hoping to keep their jobs. They learned early on once we complained theyre not going to keep their jobs. Maybe theyre not going to keep their careers. Then theyre told to shut up about it. Were tired of that. And the light of day is what is changing it. This is a critically important point. I couldnt agree more. The concern i want to raise is actually 19 women did complain. Yeah. In fact, their complaints, and many of their complaints in new york would be a class a misdemeanor of forceable touching. And this, well before Stormy Daniels, they have been trying to raise attention to this issue for months now, including as recently as december. Theres a connection, though, right . Those women were also threatened with litigation by donald trump. They were told in public, ill sue you to prove im right. Some trump voters may have believed that and may have been wrong. This is still being litigated. That sounded tough. I want your response, maya. This is how donald trump worded that on the campaign trail. Every woman lied when they came forward to hurt my campaign. Total fabrication. The events never happened. Never. All of these liars will be sued after the election is over. Well, and as we know, summer cerbos has sued donald trump for defamation. 19 women. Some of those were teens in a beauty pageant where he literally walked in to watch them changing their clothes and then told them not to worry about it. At least allegedly. Right . The point is that if anyone else in this country had that number of complaints against them, we would all be pointing to the number of complaints as a strong indication that theres some very problematic behavior there. This is a man who is admitting this behavior. He admitted the Miss Universe, peeking in on young girls. And he admitted grabbing women who dont want to be grabbed. Multiple times, actually. More than once. Not just access hollywood. So why arent we believing the women . Lets continue the conversation. Jonathan capehart, of course, part of the Pulitzer Prize winning team at the Washington Post and howard fineman. And the panel stays. Jonathan, your view of the import of this story in washington . Its very important. I think in the sort of whirlwind hurricane that is the Trump Administration, its amazing that the original Stormy Daniels story didnt even, in some major newspapers, didnt even make the front page. It was buried on like a5, a17. Whats happening here, theres a lot of anticipation building up to this Stormy Daniels interview she taped with 60 minutes. I believe it was last week. Its due to come out another week from now. And what her attorney is doing, i think you talked about this a moment ago, is teasing out what could possibly come out from that interview. And i think in washington, a city that at this point, i think people are like, what could you possibly tell me that is going to shock me a year and a few months into the Trump Administration . We could be looking at a situation where what Stormy Daniels says in that 60 minutes interview could either change the entire narrative and conversation or it could just be one more drop in an oversized bucket of controversy. Large, a large bucket. Howard, i wonder if you could respond to some of the points that the panelists made at the top of the show, including nancys point that there has to be interaction between the litigation and journalism. Well, couple of things. First of all, liz and company are absolutely right that post me too adds an extra dimension to this. We shouldnt underestimate that as far as the general public is concerned, which isnt always following the ins and outs of the court case the way we are. Thats the first thing i would say. This guy to me this story is very much more than people realize about mike excuse me, about Michael Avanatti. This guy is the polar opposite of prosecutor mueller. Mueller never operates no, listen to me. Mueller never operates in public only below the surface legally. The guy in los angeles is an l. A. , hollywood lawyer but with substantial corporate experience. This guy is a piece of heavy, legal artillery. He really is. Because he knows how to try the case in public, which is what hes doing right now. And in a sense, donald trump, the biggest picture here is that donald trump is the subject of a pinzer move by the guy operating legally on low level but serious stuff and the lower guy who is operating on something that the public, if this comes out the way it could, will just be riveted by. Donald trump cannot fire enough people from his cabinet between now and a week from sunday to keep people from watching that thing. And thats what avanatti is doing. I disagree with you, ari. I hate to disagree on a legal point. Go ahead. Go ahead. Avanatti is being very shrewd about sticking to the procedural thing first. If he has an abuse claim, why did he put it out now . Think about that. Hes trailing this out as long as he can, sticking with procedure first, which is the nda, then going to the substance, which he will try first on 60 minutes before he does anything else. He hasnt filed a case against donald trump on the substance. This is all procedure. This guy has had two topics of his, two cases of his already on 60 minutes and he began his career as an opo guy for rahm emanual. To use a technical term, rahm emanual did not hire putzes, to use a te which is what michae cohen is. He waived his right to go to arbitration because he entered into self help and made all these opinions and threats and said all this stuff. Now theyre supposed to shut up in a secret arbitration proceeding. He waived that. Hes not going to be able to say we should be in arbitration now that i blew off all my steam. Capehart . Ari, i wanted to jump on something that howard just mentioned about Michael Avanatti. Hes playing this in two courts, the legal court but also the court of public opinion. Right. This is where i agree with howard. Theres only one court, really, that donald trump truly cares about in terms of his public persona. And that is the court of public opinion. And the Peoples Court because its televised. Right. And so i think the president may have met his match in Michael Avanatti because hes going up against someone who is basically peer to peer. Liz, take it home to that point. Avanatti, if anything, is speaking the president s language by making this all about a sequential Strategic Media march. Exactly. Thats what donald trump has been doing well of two years now. Donald trump talks about everything, tweets about everything, even things he doesnt know anything about. Why is he being completely silent about this . Briefly . All i was going to say is actually in the lawsuit they do claim some coercion. Its the suggestion that its michael cohen. Im still confused about why were just hearing about it even on the march out. Very elliptical, though, i would say. Its not a direct claim to invalidate it. Correct. I wanted to end on a very lame technical point. Im very grateful to what i think was a very intellectual panel. John capehart, howard, thank you. No ones been fired even on friday night. Well speak to Tony Schwartz and fear and how it works in america. A new plan on what facebook maybe wont do but could do. 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In fact, last night we broke the news that buzz feed is going right after the president in response, demanding he preserve all materials related to Stormy Daniels. What he told me is do the right thing. Do you read that as the white house will then provide all of this or not . He also mentioned to me that tonight was the first time he had seen your letter. Im not convinced the white house is going to give me anything without a fight and im ready to fight that fight. In this new book, russian roulette, theres the inside story of putins war in america and they talk about the 2013 Miss Universe package nent moscmos packageant in moscow. A trek to russia was the birth of bromance or was it something worse . The authors are here now. Let me start with you, david. The Miss Universe pageant is something that many point to as an origin story yet your book accounts how donald trump seemed to nervously question whether putin would even show up. Is that, in some way, exculpatory to trump . No. It shows that trump had an obsessive desire to meet with putin. He had been tweeting about him coming to Miss Universe contest and once he got there, he kept asking everyone around him, will he meet with me . Will he come to the contest . Will i hear from him . It shows two things, he had an aspirational affinity for the strong man leader but also a real concern to forge a bond with him because he was committed to this lifelong desire of building a tower in moscow. That was the whole point of Miss Universe. It was a stepping stone to working with a billionaire oligarch sponsoring the package dont build a tower. Those guys whom he forged a bond with then were the ones who helped his campaign make connections with the kremlin in 2016. Its all connected. The business ties to the campaign association with kremlin cut outs. Michael, what would you say in your view is the most significant revelation youve unearthed for the book . Actually quite a few. I think just picking up on what david is saying, the relationships with the agilarovs, known, by the way, as putins builder, his son and that publicist. Go back to whats the most significant one of the most significant, certainly, developments in the russia investigation, the trump tower meeting. Right . The notorious trump tower meeting where they offer derogatory information on Hillary Clinton to the highest officials in the Trump Campaign. That was set up by agilarov, and his father and goldstone who sends the fateful emails to donald trump jr. Right. We were just looking at some of that footage. Right. Your point being these werent just any guys. These were the guys. No. These were guys who trump had a relationship with. Trump personally going back to actually before moscow. Las vegas, when he first meets them. They go out partying at this raunchy las vegas nightclub. Before that famous trump tower meeting, there was an initial trump tower meeting in january 2015, which we disclose in our book for the first time. David let me ask you dafbdafb david, let me ask you, does your book show that the Obama Administration was not Strong Enough in responding to this in real time . Chapter 14. Its my favorite chapter in the book, ari. It goes into the august and september of 2016 when the Obama White House gets this top secret intelligence indicating that russia is behind the attack on the election and they have to consider what to do. There are people in the nsc, National Security council, staff, who want to have strong counterattacks, Cyber Attacks and obama is worrying about disruptions to the election. We just learned in the last day that the same time, they had intelligence indicating the russians were probing and perhaps in a position to threaten the electrical grid and Nuclear Power plants in the United States and europe. In those highlevel meetings in the white house in the sit room, director of National IntelligenceJames Clapper says if we strike back with cyber, we could escalate into a cyber war and they might be able to take down our grid. So, lots of dilemmas. I would commend people to read that chapter and think. Youre not answering the question. I dont know why. How about both of you answer it, david yes or no, should they hold on. Gentlemen . Yes. David then michael, yes or no, should they have done more in real time . What i believe they should have done is been more public and forceful in their statements and tell the public early on what was happening. Michael . Yes. And as we report in the book, there were people on the white house staff who believed very strongly that if you dont strike back in real time, youre going to youre sending a signal that they can get away with it. Michael daniel, Cyber Security coordinator developed these creative options for going after the russians, shutting down their news sites, dumping information, information about putins corruption and secret Bank Accounts in latvia. Obamas National Security director calls him in and says stand down. Knock it off. We dont want to box the president in. That was a fateful move that basically, you know, sent a signal to people who wanted a more forceful response. Thats what i thought the book did in fascinating detail, showed a road to trump russia that is damning for the Current Administration but also perhaps with the benefit of hindsight showed a lot of problems with the Prior Administration given what we know now. David cornyn, michael isikoff, thank you. Good luck with the book. Thank you. No new firings tonight. A special guest on how donald trump continues to exhibit fear. Coauthor of art of the deal is here. He joins me next. How does jayzs advice on charity help stop fake news . 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Mounting sense of chaos followed by denials. But on this friday night, lets pull back from that daily and even hourly story. We want to do Something Different in this next conversation and explore how a looming sense of chaos is broader than any single story, how fear itself permeates its emotions. Want to do it with a special guest and friend of the show, Tony Schwartz. He specializes in addressing how emotions define our lives and how we interact with other people. Tony is also known for writing he did briefly in his 30s, ghost writing the book that put trump on the map art of the deal. He recently observed truchs fear, as we move into fight or flight mode, we lose the capacity for empathy, rationality and proportionality. Trump doesnt read much but certainly grasps the focusing power of fear and used Campaign Rallies to narrate how the ms13 gang deploys violence. But ms13 is particularly violent. I was reading one of these animals was caught and explaining they like to knife them and cut them and let them die slowly because that way its more painful and they enjoy watching that much more. Much wider dynamic. We live in a world now thats more stable, more prosperous, less disease ridden than a century ago, more complex and features global problems that are profoundly scary from the very real prospect of Climate Change and pandemics to technology stoking a Nuclear Standoff that gets out of control. Democratic politician Lyndon Johnson ran an ad to scare voters about his opponent, barry goldwater. The ad was created by Media ConsultantTony Schwartz, no relation. The famous daisy ad. Ronald reagan had his iconic bear ad that scared voters about the threat of the soviet union, represented by a bear to suggest fear was rational and should animate a tough foreign policy. For some people, the bear is easy to see. Others dont see it at all. Since no one can really be sure who is right, isnt it smart to be as strong as the bear . If there is a bear. If there is a bear. That ad is provocative because the pictures certainty, scary bear on screen, overrides any caveats from that, leaving most viewers thinking, yeah, lets be ready for the bear thats advancing on that dude. This isnt just about ads or campaigns. Theres a yale study that showed people who imagine they have more physical safety found their attitudes moved left while perception of fear moved people to the right. Is there a way to stop fear from controlling us . And why is fear so dominant in america right now . For answers i turn to the person whose ideas inform much of what a just said. Tony schwartz is back on the beat. Thanks for being here. Thank you for having me. Why so much fear . Well, why not . Were living in a world fear is caused by change and uncertainty and all those are rampant in the world right now. After we spoke last week we ended up, subsequently, off the camera talking about whats a Wider Perspective that we could bring with this . Fear is whats narrowing us and putting us in this contracted state and its not a good state from which to operate. What is a perspective that wouldnt be so polarized and black and white and so focused on where our differences are as opposed to where our commonalities are. Situation where you concluded you can neither defeat this dangerous opponent confronting you but also cannot safely bolt it. You cant do the flight. I think freeze is the most extreme version of flight. The fight flight freeze, freeze is the end game. Its when you just feel youve given up and turned over. Its a type of flight but the surrender flight . Its the surrender. Listen, you know, i think the answer is to ask this question. What are we not seeing . I think thats the question that gives us the potential to escape this place that we find ourselves in. And first of all thats what ive been doing 15 years at the energy project. Helping leaders to see more, to take more variables into account, to be less narrowly focused so they can be bigger, better and more capable human beings. What that involves is a perspective thats less about you talked about this difference of what happens to people on the right and the left. Less about protecting what youve got and more about expanding what you can become. That was also in politics this week in pennsylvania. White working class voters. It was people who have all these reasons were told to feel fear and economic anxiety. I want to show an ad that didnt work but was against conor lamb, appealing to fear. Conor lamb has a weak record. As a prosecutor, conor lambs efforts ended in plea deals, allow loed a drug king pin to receive a lighter sentence. Can we trust conor lamb to do the right thing . That voice and that rhetorical question is devastating, often run, not exclusively, against democrats. Can you really trust this person with your kids . Theyre talking about a soldier and a prosecutor. You can point out why its factually wrong. Its deeper than the facts, not letting people fall into that fear trap . The way you fall into the fear trap is that we get more tied into the stories of who we are and who were not. The story were telling ourselves, we think is actually who we are. Its just a way in which weve learned to protect ourselves. Its a way in which weve defined reality but it is not reality. Once we locked into that story about who we are we believe, we stop growing. That kind of ad can lock people in and prevent them from, in effect, spreading their wings, in confirmation buy as, basically the way you look at the world is to have it confirm what you already believe. Clinton supporters have found way to rationalize what clinton did in terms of women and sexual abuse. Trump supporters can justify 19 women being sexually assaulted and a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest. Disregards the rest. Are we going to graceland . Youre Going Forward ten years or 20 years. Yes, we are. Toni schwartz, fascinating to listen to on the show, off the show. You said something very important that resonates what i hear from a lot of people, ziert to grow or go beyond what he we think we already know or just be confirmed. I hope youll come back and lets continue the conversation. Thank you. Up ahead, there is facebook and fake news but theres also solutions. This friday, i want to bring you the story of a prominent mogul calling their bluff with a plan to combat fake news. First a special edition of fallback friday thats back in 90 seconds. There are two types of people in the world. Those who fear the future. And those who embrace it. The future is for the unafraid. The future is for the unafraid. 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This is humira at work. Its friday on the beat. You know what that means. Its time to fall back. For this special edition, gerald hill, and comedy centrals the opposition. Also famously portrayed condi rice. You dug it up. Yes, you dug. Good to see you all. How is it going . Pretty good. Long week. Jared, who needs to fall back . Snapchat, who has had quite a couple of weeks. And they came up with this advertisement, you can see here, for a would you rather slap rihanna or punch chris brown. Are you serious . Obviously social media was having none of this. I hadnt seen that. I dont want to see that. You dont want to see that. You have to wonder what am i selecting . Where am i going to go from here . If you dont know the context of it obviously they have a history with domestic violence. Rihanna clapped back on their instagram story,ity own controversial piece. Snapchat their value has gone down 800 million in two days from her clap back. Who needs to fall back . Tucker carlson needs to fall way on back, way on back for actually comparing teachers talking about guns with students to teachers having sex with students. I believe we have it. So, lets take a listen. Kids who are under the care of a teacher, who has control of their grades in life are not free agents. They cant act fully independently, as you and i can, because they are under the control of an authority figure. This is really simple. This is why teachers arent allowed to have sex with students. Theyre in power and the kids arent. Why are teachers allowed to direct kids toward a political ideology . Its really simple. No. Just no. Just no. Talking about an actual issue that is being discussed around policy versus sex with a child. So problematic. So problematic. What would you say to the famous question defense that we all use it from time to time . We were just asking a question. We were just asking a question. Just asking. Just asking. About an issue. I dont know. Im just saying. Thats a hard no . Its just a no. Pia, who needs to fall back . Orenthal james simpson. Oj, the juice. Classic. Needs to fall back. New interview came out today that he felt the need to state that he thinks Colin Kaepernick made a mistake and was wrong. Yeah, colin made a mistake. Appreciate what he was trying to say. Cool. Thought he made a bad choice in attacking the flag. A, please, please, sir, keep Colin Kaepernicks name out of your mouth. Apologize to the families of the people you killed, allegedly. Im supposed to say that, right . He was not convicted. You have your view of events. Yes, my view is that he is a murderer, who also needs to not talk about Colin Kaepernick. Lot of dna evidence. As to why he needs to fall back. If i may, a secondary fallback. You got another one . We know since im talking about the juice, at least a portion of his defense was to pack the jury with black women and, you know, ride on the assumption they would hate him because he married a white woman and for everyone who tries to get a murderer off or get click s on your website, misconceptions of what black women are or what we think, fall back. You didnt invite us to speak for ourselves or leave us alone are your options. This is why i like fallback friday. Its guest driven, expert driven. People just bring it. I have a really, really basic one which is drone bees. I dont think we need them. Walmart just patented them. They want drones for these hightech bee farms. Look at the footage of our drones weve seen out and about. The idea that they would get smaller and smaller and harder and harder to detect, i love tech. Viewers know we do a lot on tech here. Im just saying drone bees, fall back. What if they make honey . Im sure they make something. 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Well, the Tech Companies and the platforms that we hope to partner with to help solve a problem that they created last time i looked a for profit, the very good and Public InterestOriented Network that im speaking on right now last time i looked is for profit. And i think those are good examples of why a for Profit Company can attract talent and in our case, we need tech talent and journalism talent and management talent. By talent, hes referring to quurnlists who will in this new Company Police fake news and ratings that everyone can see but for this to work, the Tech Industry has to buy in. If i say the names of a few companies can, google, twitter, facebook, youtube, part of google be would it be fair to say you have reason to believe any of the leaders of those Companies Want to work with you . Very much so. Youve left out quite a few but yes. Im very incomplete. We wouldnt have started this if we didnt think that it was going to succeed. Youre a heavy hitter and think you can fix this problem and make money doing it. Yes. We think we can do well and do good. Note brills capitalist optimism. He thinks fighting fakes news is a good thing. Given his track record in journalism, i think these media street credit there. Hes candid this is about doing good and making money. You could say hes channeling another wealthy optimist sean carter who said i cant help the poor if im one of them. I got rich and gave back. The Tech Companies are rich in capital but quite poor in fak factual information. Maybe they do nid his brills help. Hes one of the nations leading legal experts. I had to also ask him about mueller. The most important thing about how mueller is moving forward is hes doing it apparently without any leaks. Everything he does comes as a complete surprise. The leaks are coming from the witnesses and defense lawyers but not from him. Do you think donald trump would be able to prevail in avoiding giving testimony . Based on the clinton case, the civil case, which you well know, that seems unlikely. He could always take the fifth amendment i guess. Is that good or bad for donald trump . It depends on what his testimony is. Spoken like the careful lawyer and journalist that you are. Thanks for coming on the beat. Thanks for having me into it depends. Now up ahead breaking news onning news, some of it from the beat this week. Thats next. Er with companies that are developing powerful batteries that make everything from cell phones to rail cars more efficient. Which helps improve every aspect of advanced rail technology. All with support from a highlyeducated workforce and vocational job training. Across new york state, were building the new new york. To grow your business with us in new york state, visit esd. Ny. Gov. To grow your business with us in new york state, for all the noses that stuff up around daisies. For all the eyes that get itchy and watery near pugs. 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Some of it was made on the beat here this week. You think about Stormy Daniels and trump, that exploding with the allegation on physical threat. Secretary of state Rex Tillerson bounced from his job. Pompeo tapped to take over. This many roger stone filmmaker break the news they were preparing a trip to london to meet with the founder Julian Assange undercutting some of stones public denials. There was the blue upset in Trump Country which has democrats excited. Here on the beat last night, we broke the news of this buzzfeed legal action that takes a shot at the white house and donald trump himself as a punch back against micohens definition suit. If you want so see our view of the highlights its on our special video the beat this week at our Facebook Page at the beat with ari. It has even more than what i said. That does it for us. Ill see you right here monday night 6 00 p. M. Dont go anywhere right now. Hardball with Chris Matthews is up next. Next head to roll . Lets play hardball. Good evening. Im Chris Matthews in washington. Throughout the campaign, donald trump promised he would solve washingtons problems. That he alone cop fix things. Nobody knows the system better than me. Which is why i alone can fix it. Well, now trump seems to be putting that statement to the test. In the past few weeks, hes been emboldened to go it alone,