Be on tonight. They talked at the same time on opposing networks. Again, tonight the contrast was stark. Trump and biden took questions from voters just hours after the u. S. Passed 8 million coronavirus cases, a number just shy of the population of new york city. Over 218,000 souls now gone. Whats gotten a bit lost is were now in the third spike of infections. 37 states plus guam, washington, d. C. Seeing double digit increases in cases. Its become the defining issue of this election. Mass death has a way of focusing the mind and the voters. And it was a big focus at tonights dueling townhalls. Mr. President , if you knew covid19 as you told bob woodward in february as what . As you told bob woodward in february was airborne and deadlier than the flu, why did you only put in place a travel ban from china and not put in place other measures . I put on a travel ban far earlier than dr. Fauci thought it was necessary, who i like. Far earlier than the scientists. I was actually the only one that wanted to put it on. Dr. Fauci said i saved thousands and thousands of lives. I was early. I was extremely early when i put on the travel ban. Has your opinion changed on the importance of mask wearing . No, because i was okay with the masks. But as far as the mask is concerned, im good with masks. Im okay with masks. I tell people wear masks. Our deaths per capita is among the highest on the excess mortality. And what weve done has been amazing, and we have done an amazing job. And its rounding the corner. Bidens response was predictably very different. We should be talking about depending on the continuation of the spread of the virus its estimated by every major study done from the university of washington to columbia that if in fact we wore masks we could save between now and the end of the year, 100,000 lives. The words of a president matter. Absolutely. No matter whether theyre good, bad or indifferent they matter. And when a president doesnt wear a mask or makes fun of folks like me when i was wearing a mask for a long time then people say, well, it mustnt be that important. Trump was also asked about his last negative coronavirus test, and his answers raised further questions tonight. Your first positive test was thursday, october 1st, okay . When was your last negative test . When did you last remember having a negative test . Well, i test quite a bit. And i can tell you that before the debate, which i thought it was a very good detate and i felt fantastically did you test the day of the debate . I dont know. You say you dont know if you got a test on the dday of the debate . Again, the doctors do it. I dont ask them. The debate that was supposed to take place tonight was cancelled when trump fresh off the coronavirus, after all, refused to appear in a virtual format. The final debate if it happens still scheduled for a week from tonight. Joe biden set to head to the battleground state of michigan tomorrow. Today we learned one person on his charter aircraft crew tested positive for covid. Biden has since tested negative. His running mate senator Kamala Harris has stopped all travel through the weekend. She had her own scare. Her Communications Director and her planes flight crew tested positive. Harris herself has tested negative. As all this was unfolding and on another front as they say, russia is back in the campaign. As the Washington Post reports that u. S. Intelligence agencies warned the white house last year that President Trumps personal lawyer and long time friend Rudy Giuliani was the target of an influence operation by russian intelligence. And nbc news reports the feds are examining whether emails allegedly describing activities by joe biden and his son hunter and found on a laptop that happened to be at a delaware repair shop are linked to a foreign intelligence operation. A lot to discuss. Lets bring in our three returning veterans on this busy thursday night. Aaron heinz, editor at large for the 19th, nonprofit nonpartisan newsroom focused on gender politics and policy. Phil rucker, coauthor along with his colleague at the post Carol Leonnig of the long time bestseller a very stable genius about you know who. And his colleague, eugene robinson, Pulitzer Prize winning columnist also at the Washington Post. Good evening and welcome to you all. Erin, you get to go first with this question, perhaps unanswerable. Do you think any minds, any votes were changed at the end of tonight for those lucky few americans who have two flat screens hanging on the wall in their den . Well, brian, that is an open question. And i certainly have whiplash from trying to keep up with tonights dueling town halls. Look, this was supposed to be a town hall with both then on the stage and that is disappointing that didnt happen because the voters being able to engage with these candidates is really a different dynamic, and we saw their two very contrasting styles and messages on full display tonight. Its really just too bad voters didnt get to see that with them sharing a stage. There are maybe a slither of undecided voters right now. I think really the undecided issue is whether people are going to vote or not but i dont think its who theyre going to vote for. So i think people kind of hunkered down in their camps tonight and either tuned into joe biden if they were already voting for him or donald trump if they were already voting for him. Eugene, i want to play a brief sampling of some more of joe biden over at the abc news town hall. Well discuss on the other side. We shouldnt be defunding cops. We should be mandating the things that we should be doing within Police Departments and make sure theres total transparency. You are open to expanding the court . Im open to considering what happens from that point on. So youll come out with a clear position before election day . Yes, depending on how they handle this. If you lose what will that say to you about where america is today . Well, it could say im a lou zi candidate and i didnt do a good job. I hope that it doesnt say that we are as racially, ethically and religiously at odds with one another as it appears the president wants us to be. Well, eugene, folks cant say they dont have a clear choice or a stark difference in styles between these two guys. Lets look at where the race is. Our friends over at npr have put together whats called in the business the kind of poll of polls. And when you cram all the math together, the race looks right now, subject to change, 5442. Eugene, i think consensus was the president did better tonight, though, he was angrier tonight, he was also up against a professional litigator turned Television Host in our mutual friend Savannah Guthrie who was all lawyer tonight as she tried to drill down, correct and get in. So same question to you as i asked erin. Do you think as much as a single vote was changed among people watching . I dont think there were a whole lot of votes out there that can be changed at this point, brian, but to the extent that there were you know, the difficulty tonight obviously was it was very difficult to watch both at the same time. I actually did it on a flat screen and on a laptop, and i have a headache. It was difficult to do. But even, you know, in that sort of schizophrenic way of experiencing these two town halls, you saw the huge gulf in tone and just the difference between these two men two incredible meaningful moments, one was when a voter asked biden what would he do to make the country better if you lost, if he didnt win. And he went onto give a long and kind of i thought pretty thoughtful answer about how he would try to instill the values of the nation as he understands them and their students and so on. And at the end of the nbc town hall savannah lobbed kind of a rare softball at donald trump and said President Trump, what do you say to voters who might not have supported you, that you essentially do better next time if youre given four more years. And trumps response was, i think ive done a great job. And that kind of tells you a lot about the two men and how they differ. And i think, you know, it was a stark contrast. Yeah, theres the Bumper Sticker for you. So mr. Rucker, about your newspaper, lets put the headline back up on the screen. Its not every day where you see a headline like former new york city mayor, president s personal lawyer and longtime friend, white house was warned that rudy was the target of russian intelligence operation to feed misinformation to trump. A, successful misinformation fed, b, rudy was rewarded with continuing to hang in the president s circle, rewarded with a speaking role at the virtual gop convention. He was back on fox news in prime time like nothing at all happened. Is this just a thursday following the death of outrage in 2020 . It is just thursday. And you left out one detail about Rudy Giulianis year 2020. Hes in the room helping prepare President Trump for his debates. Hes the debate coach. And look, my colleagues at the post reported tonight a pretty explosive story which is that u. S. Intelligence agencies believed that Rudy Giuliani was being worked over by russian intelligence assets as a conduit to feed misinformation to the president of the United States. They were smart enough to know that giuliani had a direct personal channel to the president. Giuliani, as we all know, spent considerable time the last few years in ukraine and with ukrainian contacts to try to dig up dirt and information about hunter biden, Vice President bidens son. And, you know, apparently according to u. S. Intelligence, the russians were onto him and were using giulianis interest in ukraine to feed him misinformation, to get to the president and try to influence the american political process. And thats a big deal. You know, we should not underscore or we should underscore, rather, how significant that development is. I know weve heard a lot about russia the last 4 years, but this is highly unusual. Erin, back over to you. You have written that racism is on the ballot this year. And to that end i want to play an exchange between our friend savannah and the president. Well discuss on the other side. Are you listening . I didnt ask White Supremacy. Here we go again. Every time, in fact my people came im sure theyll ask you the White Supremacy question. I denounce White Supremacy. And frankly you want to know something, i denounce antifa. So erin, you saw the president burdened by the question reluctantly giving the answer as suggested, and then at the end a little bit of what aboutism to get himself out of that and asking about antifa. I am guessing that falls short of what you and so many of your readers might want to hear some day. Well, brian, he seemed to be annoyed by the question and annoyed by savannah continuing to press him on that. And frankly, had he answered that question in the first debate, which seems like a million years ago now, but had he answered that question perhaps that wouldnt have been at issue tonight and he could have talked about some of the other things that maybe he wanted to focus on. And yes, continuing to bring antifa up when, you know, his own federal Law Enforcement agencies have said that White Supremacy is the greatest domestic terrorism threat that this country faces does fly in the face of the realities of what his own experts have tried to tell him and tried to warn the country about. And coming in the wake of, you know, the plot against the alleged plot against michigan Governor Whitmer and Virginia Governor northam, i think that it is a question that is worth asking and that the American People should expect an answer for. Contrast that to, you know, issues of race that came up for Vice President biden tonight. He said that he made a mistake on the 1994 crime bill, was calling for police reforms, was calling for the need for racial healing and unity in this country. And so, again, a much more substantive pair of conversations. Its just too bad they were happening about 1,200 miles apart. Eugene, in the midst of all this tonight we read Chris Christie is indeed diseasefree. He a couple of days ago got out of the hospital, and he wrote this as part of a longer and quite thoughtful statement. I believe that when i entered the white house grounds that i had entered a safe zone due to the testing that i and many others underwent every day. I was wrong. Having had the virus i can also assure those who have not had it of a few things. Its something to take very seriously. He also mentioned he was wrong not to wear a mask. Look, this a guy with comorbidities. Hes been very forthright and public about his struggle with weight. He also has had asthma all his life. We are happy hes out, happy hes better, but if the president spoke with that kind of candor and forthrightness and pivoted as a covid veteran now to teach kind of lessons learned. Hes gone the other way. Thats exactly the point, brian. We learned for the first time at least i learned for the first time that Chris Christie had been in the intensive care unit of the hospital for nearly a weak. This is very serious, and fortunately, he seems to be fine now or recovering now. Of course, we dont, again, know all the longterm implications of having had covid. And so this is something the president could have done. The president of the United States got this disease and went through it, and he could have used that experience to educate the American People and to warn them. And he could have modelled the kind of behavior that would keep other people well, other people falling ill with covid like mask wearing and social distancing, and the president did none of that. He did the exact opposite. He makes light of it. He says, i conquered it, im now immune. And again, this was this was an incredible contrast. Chris christie showed us what could have been but what was not. Hey phil rucker, hear now a word from ben sass, republican senator from nebraska. Discussion to follow. The way he kisses dictators. The United States now regularly sells out our allies under his leadership. The way he treats women and spends like a drunken sailor, and the ways i criticized president obama for that kind of spending i criticize President Trump as well. He mocks evangelicals behind closed doors. His family has treated the presidency like a business opportunity. Hes flirted with white supremacists. At the beginning of the covid crisis he refused to treat it seriously. Im now looking at the possibility of a republican bloodbath in the senate. So, phil, so begins the great migration, the great walkback of 2020 2021. If republicans lose control of the senate, if donald trump is defeated will every republican senator including mr. Portman from ohio, whos welcome on this broadcast any night, will they all sound some version of mr. Sasse who i remind our audience has a degree from harvard, studied at oxford, phd from mr. Ruckers alma mater, yale. So he knows he knows the name of the game here. He knows exactly what hes doing. He does, brian. You know, if trump were to lose this election and republicans entered a period of soulsearching and regrowth, rebuilding their party i think youre going to see a number of republican elected officials, especially those with president ial aspirations distance themselves the way senator sasse has. We should point out that senator sasse has been outspoken about the president at various moments before especially during the 2016 campaign. Certainly not on the scale of a mitt romney, but hes also not one of these trump sycophants in the senate. He has broken with the president from time to time. I suspect were going to see a few others echo what sasse said in november, december, january should President Trump end up losing, in part because these are people to be the standard bearers of the posttrump republican party. Sasse is a relatively young guy. He certainly could be in the mix for a president ial campaign along with others. Tom cotton, again, marco rubio, ted cruz. There are tons of republicans who have a future after trump, and theyre going to all be navigating what to say about these next four years should trump lose. What appears to be the start of the great migration. This is going to be interesting to watch. Errin haines, phil rucker, eugene robinson. Coming up, with over 8 million cases of the virus here in our country, well ask an er doctor what the candidates got right, what they got wrong at tonights events and later bob woodward will join us with exclusive new audio from his conversations with donald trump. The 11th hour just getting underway on this thursday evening. Y evening. Our nation has never had a more dangerous and corrupt president than trump. Hes harming our basic values, giving rise to hate, and hes selling out america to big corporations. Im working to protect immigrants, women, communities of color, and lgbtq people. And im making corporations like pg e and Insurance Companies play by our rules. We need experienced leadership to wipe away trumps stain on america for good. Im good with masks, im okay with masks. I tell people to wear masks. Just the other day they came out with a statement that 85 of people that wear masks catch it. Thats what i heard, and thats what i saw. And regardless but everybodys tested, and theyre tested often. That 85 figure is garbage. Its not true. 62,000 new cases of coronavirus recorded just today in our country. Thats our highest daily count since july. So we have that going for us. This graphic of cases shows why. Were entering our third spike of just the first wave of this disease. Its already killed 1 out of every 1,600 americans. Most states are on the way up. Not one state is showing a sustained decline. So with us yet again is dr. Vin gupta, er doc specializing in this kind of thing. Also an affiliate assistant professor with the university of washingtons department of health metric sciences. Doc, im going to quote you back to you and by extension to our audience. This is our guest, october 3rd on twitter. You dont start dexamethasone, remdesivir, and given an experimental antibody cocktail to the president in the setting of low oxygen dips unless theres covid pneumonia. What did his chest imaging show . The American People deserve basic information on their president. Doctor, we learned last night as he put it his fever was 101, 102. That had been rumored but still a doctor has never told us the fever he was spiking. We learned tonight his lungs apparently were infected. Why is this important . Good evening, brian. To cut straight to the chase its important because it would force the president if he acknowledged the diagnosis or his doctors did, it would force accountability. And what do i mean by that . I mean the questions i get from americans are hey, doc, how do we wrestle with the prevailing inequities in access to an n95 or Rapid Testing so i can go see mom and dad for thanksgiving or feel reassured im not bringing covid back to my home . He has doctors. Those are the privileges the president has to wrestle with. He has the best tests if he wanted them, and he has the best masks if he wore them. And hes snubbed his nose at all of them. And basically what that says to the American People is we crave a fraction of what you have, mr. President , so we can go about our lives safely with reassurance. Him acknowledging he had the diagnosis would force uncomfortable questions and the right questions because those are the questions i get from the American People how do we get the masks we deserve . And they deserve the best quality masks, brian. And far from promoting masks tonight, the president promoted this flap doodle 85 figure of people getting the virus wearing masks. The number is garbage. Thats not what the study said. He also had a chance to shutdown the theory of herd immunity, which is getting pushed by this california radiologist who has in effect replaced fauci with access to the presidency. Once and for all, doctor, why is herd immunity a very bad, very fatal idea for our country . We cant cocoon covid19, brian, so thats number one. What we do know, and we have data published by our own cdc, if you try to let young people run a muck, go back to College Without a testing regimen, without masking and distancing, you will see spikes. This was published briefly by our own cdc in august. 4 weeks later a spike amongst the 14 to 60yearold crowd. You cant what we do know if we go towards that strategy at least 500,000 total individuals will die in america by february 1st. We think potentially as much as 2 million according to some estimates by the Washington Post and potentially as much as 15 Million Worldwide with a herd immunity strategy without any thought. Thats important to keep in mind. And this notion of masking, 95 masks will end this pandemic and end transmission. This 85 number is absolute garbage. Its pernicious. Hear, hear, full stop. Its a treat to have you every time. Sorry about the subject matter. Dr. Ven gupta, our guest again tonight. And coming up bob woodward and hes brought something new. Yet unreleased audio recording from his conversations with trump from his book called rage. Our live conversation coming up after this. If you have medicare, listen up. 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Can i ask you, did your National Security advisor on january 28th in the oval office warn you this would be the greatest National Security risk of your administration i read it someplace. Maybe woodward said it or something, but no, he did not say that. But i knew it was a big threat. Watching tonight like everybody else i thought to myself i know that woodward guy. In fact were having him on tonight. And indeed bob woodward is here with us tonight. And he has brought along what we are able to play for you. This is the first time this particular clip has aired, and gives us a glimpse into trumps reelection strategy. I have a very flexible strategy, bob. Ive had it for a long time. My whole life has been flexible strategy, and ive done very well. And i had it in the last campaign, too. I was very flexible. I changed Campaign Managers three times. I know. Is it offense now or is it governing . You understand why im asking i won the last campaign in the last four weeks, but i would really say i won it in the last week. I did i did rallies. With us tonight the celebrated author and journalist, bob woodward, officially associate editor over at the Washington Post. He has followed up on his initial book on this white house called fear with the new work appropriately titled rage. Bob, it is great to have you. And you and i both know a slew of d. C. And new york journalists who wouldnt know america if they stumbled on it and never saw enough trump yard signs in 2016 to realize what was happening. And some of the reporters on the road were calling newsrooms like ours saying somethings happening out here. And we saw what happened in 2016. 2020 couldnt be more different, and he has apparently told his handlers get me on the road every day. We can win this. Do you think he recognizes the difference . Yes. But theres some similarity, and the reason i think he said what he said there about his strategy, and i was pressing him on the question, what are you doing, whats your theory of the case of running for reelection. And he said very plainly he won the election in 2016 he won it in four weeks, the last four weeks. Actually, he said, i won it in the last week. And if you look at what happened in the last week of the 2016 campaign, he did 24 rallies. And the rallies im not sure what the substance is to the voters, but ive never been to any of his rallies. But ive watched many of them. And there is a selfconfidence. There is an energy. There is a sense of movement. And he of course declares, im with you, the average person. And so hes falling back in 2020 on that playbook. And you see hes going to be out giving endless rallies. There is a rally mania. Now, youre right, 2020 is very different, the question is and you raise a very important issue. What did we see . What did we know in 2016 . What do we see now, and what do we know . And he still is doing that. He sounds good. He will not as we know tell the truth many times, and almost in a very serial intuitive way if it looks like hes in a pinch hell Say Something that is untrue. But him going back to that playbook and when you compare it with the Biden Campaign which looks very kind of comparatively slow, there is biden in his mask, rightly. Trump should be in his mask also. But trump is going to exploit that. And whether it works or not, im agnostic. I dont know. I think its unlikely trump will win, but its quite possible he will. And that strategy makes an emotional appeal to not just his base but i suspect to lots of people. What do you think . Oh, i dont im like you. Im not entitled to an opinion. I will say your book made so much news and deservedly so. We now know exactly how early and exactly how virulent the president was thinking about this virus. Its the part of your book that just stopped me in my tracks was north korea. You write a lovely passage about the lovely letters back and forth but especially kim to trump. Every foreign leader whos cracked open a briefing book on our president has seen in their language the word flattery. Its cheap and easy. It gets you most things you want. And then fast forward to this past weekend when i last thought about that portion of the book, kim jongun rolled out this enormous icbm. Now, we dont know if this is his version of the spruce goose. We dont know if its balsa wood. We have reason to believe these are what theyre purported to be, and our intelligence analysts are working overtime to figure out their throw weight and range. But clearly hes been hard at work during the trump era. Your book seems to say without saying it that our president was straight up played by the leader of north korea. Well, i think thats one interpretation. I talked to trump extensively about this, and he said, look, there was no efing war. And thats true. There has not been a war. And i know from the intelligence people and the military people, kim jongun, the north korean leader, possesses an astonishing Nuclear Weapons arsenal. And its well hidden, and there was much worry about this. I show in the book how secretary of defense mattis at the time was so worried about a war with north korea, a nuclear war that mattis had to go to the National Cathedral to pray and reflect on how he might have to do his duty to incinerate millions of people in order to protect the United States. So that the final summary in history is not available, of course, and maybe it worked for trump. But youre quite right. Lots of experts say it looks like trump was played. Trump told me that kim jongun said he was ready, the north korean leader, to go to war. Pompeo, the secretary of state, felt the same way. But i report that pompeo said maybe that was a bluff on kims part. So were going to have to see. But this interchange of letters is a Massive Group seduction between the two leaders. And they pledge eternal feelty and friendship to each other. And when i read these things i thought, wow, is there anything in the diplomatic record of a United States president dealing with somebody as threatening as kim jongun in this way . I think there is not. I think its unique. Yeah, you could use that first letter as a carport. Its just enormous. Well, bob, its a great thrill to have you on. I smiled along with you when the president said he read your book in one evening and found it boring. Our guest tonight is the author of rage. Bob woodward, always a pleasure. Thank you very much for coming on. Thank you. Another break for us. From legal challenges to computer problems to straight up voter suppression. Tonight our round up of problems at the polls when we come back. What if i sleep hot . Or cold . Introducing the new sleep number 360 smart bed. Now temperature balancing so you can sleep better together. Save up to 1,000 on the new sleep number 360 smart bed and adjustable base. Plus, 0 interest for 24 months. Only for a limited time. Just 19 days to go. Over 18 million ballots have already been cast in our country. Determined americans have stood in hourslong lines in early voting states like georgia, texas, north carolina. And a good many of them have shattered preexisting turnout records. There are legal fights over how americans can cast their vote during a pandemic. Also which votes will count, and also cases of straight up voter suppression. Nbc news correspondent jo ling kent is tracking those stories, and we are so happy that she will continue to do so. Shes with us tonight from our l. A. Bureau. Hey jo ling. That turnout is huge here in california as well. And that fight continues over the unofficial drop boxes, remember that, put out by the republican party. California gop saying yesterday it will not comply with the cease and desist order saying theyre removing the word official, and that these boxes are actually, quote, secure. State officials are hitting back. Theyre calling these illegal. Theyve been found in at least four very critical counties here in los angeles in orange county, ventura and fresno. So, the california secretary of state is reviewing the gop response on that front. So a lot to be had on that front. And then in texas theres a big debate about where you can drop off your mailin ballot. Federal Appeals Court upheld a rule only allowing one drop off location for mailin ballots in each county. Civil Rights Groups say its going to hurt voters with disabilities, people of color, older voters. And just to give you awe sense of size in texas you know everything is bigger in texas. The mayor of houston which is in harris county, of course, points out the county stretches nearly 2,000 miles and the decision makes it, quote, prejudicial. Then over in alabama, state officials are asking the Supreme Court now to block a lower court order that allows voters to cast ballots curb side. A little different than curbside pickup, but voting Rights Groups are looking for an option for people who have a visibility. Say youre at severe risk of covid19. State officials there, they want this blocked because it would compromise ballot security. Theres new safety concerns, they say, and it might compromise ballot secrecy. And also theyre saying, it may not be feasible, brian, to actually make this happen in time for those who may want to vote curbside. And jo ling, another aspect of suppression can be misinformation, and you cant talk about misinformation without talking about the new and social media. Yeah, absolutely. Weve been following this for a long time, brian, youtube today announcing theyre going to stop allowing content that targets individuals and specifically qanon and pizzagate. So, twitter is removing qanon accounts and restricted content. They were doing that back in july. And of course youve got facebook saying they are going to remove all qanon groups and pages and instagram accounts last week. The real issue here is about that borderline content stuff thats not labeled or might slip through the cracks. Its really hard to police that stuff, brian, so even if it doesnt specifically violate a certain policy, it may get through, and thats where the youtube ceo is really going to have a big challenge on our hands. So, this youtube ban for qanon not a bank et ban but certainly a huge step in the right direction. Well, because this broadcast needs to police voter suppression, we are thrilled to have you in los angeles for us tonight. Thank you. 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And when the big corporations pay more, your tax bill goes down. Thats right. A savings of a hundred twentyone dollars a year for the average home. Give homeowners a break. Vote yes on 15. I knownothing about qanon. I just told you ch. I know very little you told me, but what you tell me doesnt necessarily make it fact. I do know theyre very much against pedophilia, they might it very hard, but i knownothing about it. Youtube as we just heard finally announced today, active efforts to ban qanon conspiracies from their platform. The company says its targeting conspiracy theories that have been used to justify real world violence. But tonight, as you saw, the president took a pass on denouncing them, and conspiracies are already launched. Theyre out there and thriving as we will see now in this report from nbc respond kate snow. Reporter suburban mom mindy wilson was horrified when a 3yearold died outside of pittsburgh, allegedly from child abuse. Then a comment on a local news story took her to an internet phenomenon known as qanon. I believe some of the theories could be true. I believe some of them are great fairy tales, but it all ties together. Reporter shes convinced of a completely unfounded tenant of qanon that elite politicians and celebrities are running a trafficking ring. Hillary clinton is involved in that. Youve got a lot of professional movie stars and actresses and singers that are involved in that. Reporter and if i were to say to you that everyone around them says these are rumors, these are conspiracy theories that are completely unfounded and that is lie because Hillary Clinton is on video. There is raw footage of her out there torturing a little girl. So if the former secretary of state were sitting here and said ive never harmed a child, that is not a real video, its a fake video i would look her straight in the eyes and tell her shes a liar. Reporter the professor studies qanon and says its no accident they use the saveourchildren to draw them in. Once you go through it you find out more about the fringe aspects of qanon. Reporter chloe neely is a mom of two who spends sundays on the soccer side lines. She subscribes to some of qs outlandish unproven theories. Do you believe theres a satanic worshipping group of people who are trafficking children and drinking their blood . I would like not to believe that. Reporter but you think it might be or is . Yeah, i think it definitely could be possible. Yes. Reporter both women voted for President Trump and plan to again. Do you believe the president is stopping child trafficking rings, pedophile rings . Yeah, i do. Reporter kate snow, nbc news, pittsburgh. After a quick, god help us, coming up a final word about tomorrow night. When we come back. Last thing before we go tonight, happens to be a bit of transparency. Were not going to be on the air tomorrow night. Were going to be preempted by something very special on this network, however. Its a film based on the man who saw it all alongside the president for 8 years. Both terms of the obama presidency. In this portion of tomorrow nights documentary he talks about what many consider the bench mark photo of his time with obama. This is jacob philadelphia. At one point, jacobs mom said, mr. President , jacob has a question for you. So, jacob is like, mr. President , my friends tell me that my haircut is just like yours. And with that president obama bent over, jacob touched his head, click i got one photo, and it was gone. That image was what barack obama had said to us 2 years ago in an office in chicago. That kid literally cant even believe even though hes seeing the president of the United States in the oval office. Until he can feel his hair he doesnt truly believe hes just like me. That single image stands for so much more. It stands for how kids will see themselves differently forever. But, too, i think it tells you something about barack obama. That at the behest of a 5yearold kid, he would go ahead, bend over, and let that kid touch your head like that. His name is pete souza. The film is called the way i see it. And in it pete talks us through what he saw up close. Remember he was often the only other person in the room other than the leader of the free world. Pete souza also happens to be one of the most modest, one of the nicest people youll ever encounter in and around the world of politics. And he also has this gift of making himself completely invisible at times. Thats invaluable in his line of work. The documentary airs starting at 10 00 p. M. Eastern time, 7 00 pacific on this network tomorrow evening. Please enjoy. Thats our broadcast on a thursday night. Enjoy. Thats our broadcast on a thursday night with our thanks to you for being here with us. On behalf of all of our colleagues at the networks of nbc news, good night. 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