Reportedly shot paint ball guns at the protesters, who then threw objects back at them. One man affiliated with a rightwing group was shot and killed. The president took to social media in the wake of all this, praising the protrump activists as great patriots. The president also retweeted a message supporting the 17yearold charged in connection with two fatal shootings during the unrest in kenosha, wisconsin, last week. Those demonstrations were in response to the Police Shooting of jacob blake, who is now said to be paralyzed. Hes stoking violence in our cities. I want to make it absolutely clear. Rioting is not protesting. Looting is not protesting. Setting fires is not protesting. None of this is protesting. Its lawlessness, plain and simple. And those who do it should be prosecuted. Do i look like a radical socialist with a soft spot for rioters . Really . I want a safe america, safe from covid, safe from crime and looting, safe from racially motivated violence, safe from bad cops. Let me be crystal clear. Safe from four more years of donald trump. Hes rooting for chaos and violence. These are not images of some imagined Joe Biden America in the future. These are images of Donald Trumps america today. He keeps telling if only he was president , it wouldnt happen. Well, he is president whether he knows it or not, and it is happening. And a few hours later, the president offered this response. The rioters and joe biden have a side. Theyre both on the side of the radical left, and that is so obvious. From what i saw, i dont believe he mentioned the word antifa. When you surrender, you dont get freedom. You get fashism. Your supporters were in portland this weekend firing paint gaball guns. Do you want to take this chance to condemn i understand they had large numbers of people that were supporters, but na was a peaceful protest. And paint is not and paint is a defensive mechanism. Paint is not bullets. Are you going to condemn the actions of vigilantes like Kyle Rittenhouse . Were looking at all of it. That was an interesting situation. You saw the same type as i saw. And he was trying to get away from them, i guess, it looks like, and he fell. And then they very violently attacked him, and it was something that were looking at right now, and its under investigation. But i guess he was in very big trouble. He would have been he probably would have been killed, but its under investigation. The president will be in kenosha tomorrow. He is scheduled to meet with Law Enforcement there. As of tonight, there are no plans for him to meet with jacob blakes family. Wisconsins democratic governor and the mayor of kenosha did ask trump to delay the visit given the ongoing tensions in that city. Theyve expressed concerns, though, that it could exacerbate tensions and increase violence. Do you give any consideration well, it could also increase enthusiasm, and it could increase love and respect for our country. While the president wants americans to focus on his message of law and order, the pandemic also remains a threat in this country. Tonight the number of confirmed Coronavirus Infections is about 6 million and more than 184,000 americans have now died. There is more on the outbreak coming up. We are also following Significant Developments involving key figures from Trumps Administration who are central to the russia investigation. A federal Appeals Court today ruled against Michael Flynn and the Justice Department and their request to quickly shut down his criminal case. Flynn twice pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi about his contacts with russian officials. A panel from that same federal court decided that House Democrats have no authority to sue President Trumps former white House Counsel for refusing to testify about the mueller inquiry. And trump adviser steve bannon is facing a may 24th trial date in his fraud case involving donations to build the border wall. The New York Times reports that the feds have seized a trove of emails and other communications in their case against bannon. Times correspondent Michael Schmidt is also reporting that the Justice Department never fully investigated trumps ties to russia and that the department secretly took steps to narrow the scope of special counsel muellers investigation without telling the fbi. That reporting comes just days after john ratcliffe, trumps director of national intelligence, announced his department will no longer provide inperson briefings to congress on foreign election meddling even though ratcliffes office has confirmed russia is once again interfering to try to help the president. Tonight House Speaker nancy pelosi called that move part of trumps ongoing effort to appease russia. Its very clear that the president wants, invites, appreciates russias involvement in our elections, which is not lawful. We dont want Vladimir Putin deciding who the next president is. We want the American People to decide that. The president thinks otherwise. And here for our leadoff discussion on a monday night, kimberly atkins, a veteran of wbur and the boston herald, now a member of the boston Globe Editorial board. Shannon pettypiece, a veteran journalist and senior White House Reporter for us at nbc news digital. And robert costa, National Political reporter also with the Washington Post and moderator of Washington Week on pbs. Thanks to all of you for being with us. Robert, that speech that joe biden gave today in pennsylvania, that was preceded by several days worth of rhetoric from republicans similar to what we played from the president there, basically saying they are going to take this theme of law and order. They are going to take the violence thats taken place and played out in some cities across the country and use that to help get the president reelected, overcome that gap against joe biden. And you were hearing for a few days from some democrats concerned that that was something they saw as potentially plausible in terms of political strategy. Inside the Biden Campaign in the runup to todays speech, what was the thinking about how this issue is playing, and do they think they achieved something with his speech today . Steve, it was also preceded by a round of phone calls i made over the weekend to my democratic sources around the Biden Campaign and around Democratic Politics who are looking for this kind of message from Vice President biden. Steve, in your own book, the red and the blue, you write about the 1990s and politics. Democrats were looking back to that a little bit over the weekend as an example coming out of the Republican National convention. Could there be a socalled sister sole ja moment like bill clinton had, taking on his own left flank to try to appeal more to white voters in many parts of this country. And they znlt want to see biden go that far and pick a fight. They wanted to see him pick a fight with President Trump but also make clear he does not stand by violence in the streets. They feel by all accounts calling those same sources later today, they feel like he succeeded in that project, in that Mission Today to help democrats shore up some of those republican voters, middle of the road voters who may have been tempted a little bit by the siren song of the Republican Convention and its law and order message. Shannon, in terms of the president , joe bidens opponent now in this race, he is scheduled to be in kenosha tomorrow. We mentioned Democratic Leaders in that state telling him, please, mr. President , not right now. By all accounts, thats going forward. What can we expect there tomorrow from the president . I mean it will be nothing short of him going ahead again with this law and order message. He is supposed to visit businesses that were affected, that were looted. He is supposed to hold a panel on Community Policing im sorry on, you know, community safety. One thing that we are not anticipating from him is meeting with jacob blakes family, and were not anticipating any talk about this broader issue of Police Shooting unarmed black men, which is the issue that is behind all these protests that over and over and over again the president shochooses not to tal to. So he has made it very clear he is on the side of the, you know, quote, unquote, vigilantes or protesters, whatever you want to call the sort of counterdemonstrators that are coming into these cities now, many times armed, that have been exacerbating a lot of these clashes. He was very clear today in his remarks he is on their side. He is not on the side of the protesters, and he is going to kenosha to talk about safety and, quote, law and order and not this issue of criminal justice reform, racism, violence against, you know, black individuals that we have seen over and over again by the police. Another message that joe biden took pains to try to emphasize in that speech today was on that topic of defunding the police thats gotten so much attention the last few months. Heres what he had to say about that. I not only dont want to Defund Police, i want to add 300 billion to Million Dollars to their local budgets to deal with Community Policing and get police and communities back together again. Every cop when he puts on that badge has a right to expect to be able to go home at night and be able to be safe. Kimberly, that speech today, sort of zooming out from there, theres joe biden on the road, going to pittsburgh, delivering a speech. You didnt have a lot of the theatrical aspects i think were accustomed to in a campaign, but that was closer to a, quote, unquote, normal Campaign Speech than weve seen a lot in recent months. Is this the start of a more normal not a completely normal, but a more normal campaign by the former Vice President . Yes. It was that, and it was more than that. Look, after labor day, the campaign has said that they intend to have more inperson events, socially distanced, maskwearing events that will look different than Donald TrumpsCampaign Events. So this was a preview of that. But what this also was, very importantly, was a pointbypoint refute of all of the things that donald trump has been trying to tag joe biden with. Hes tried to tag him as some sort of empty vessel of some crazy, unknown, radical, leftwing folk whos are controlling him, and nothing that joe biden said today sounded radical or leftwing. He tried trump is trying to peg biden as somebody who wants to Defund Police as you played in that clip, joe biden does not want to do that. In fact, joe biden, when it comes to policing reform and criminal justice reform, was known most for crime bills that he supported that some folks say led that theres evidence to support led to overcriminalization of black people that had to be reversed by efforts over the subsequent years. So he clearly is not someone who wants to remove police from communities or go to the left wing, which is what makes this attempt to paint him that way by the president pretty clearly disingenuous. What the president seems to be doing here is trying to foment the discord and the division which he and members of his own campaign have openly said helps him politically. Yeah, robert, that line we played it a minute ago from joe biden jumped out at me when he said, do i look like a radical socialist . Im thinking back to the democratic primaries. It took a while for democrats to land on biden. Once they did, things went pretty fast and pretty tidy for him. But you think about that. He was buried in iowa. He was buried in new hampshire. He was buried in nevada. He pulls out that giant win in south carolina, and everything changes. But you see the difficulty kimberly is talking about there that donald trump seems to be having in coming up with that specific message that will stick to biden as opposed to a lot of these other democrats who ran. Democrats now, you mentioned, seem satisfied with this speech he gave today. Very easily, though, he might not have been their nominee. They might have had a very different message to be defending in this general election. But thats just not the case, steve. I mean there is a rising ascendant left in the Democratic Party that if elected, Vice President would have to contend with every day. They would be pushing him to sign on to a green new deal. They would push him to perhaps move a little bit on health care and try to embrace more of the tenets of medicare for all. Ive spoken to senator Bernie Sanders about that. Hes ready to go. Despite being such a staufrn ally now with vp biden, that left flank is ready to go on a lot of the policy issues. But you dont see the pressure on Vice President biden in the way that President Trump is charactering, this pressure to defund the police. Those voices in the Democratic Party are not getting the same currency on law and order issues as some of the more liberal voices are having on health care and other fronts. So at the moment this is a Democratic Party that has a lot of fractures, that just like the gop over the last decade, its going to take issues and leadership to solve a lot of these internal debates. But theyre all on board with Vice President biden because they have a common foe. And, shannon, we mentioned republicans coming out of their Convention Last week. Lots of talk again about law and order and the potential political potency there. What are you hearing from folks around the president , around his team in the wake of bidens speech today . What are they telling you their reaction to that is . Theres still a lot of confidence in this message. This law and order message was something i was hearing immediately after the protests began following the George Floyd Death that they identified as something that was going to be a winning issue for them. It was a winning issue in 2016 and, you know, President Trump is a real student as a politician of roger stone, who was a protege of richard nixon. I know a lot of people have been talking about 1968, but if you look at 1972, it was nixons america where there was rising crime, where there was an antiwar movement, where there was white people nervous about an emerging black power movement. Nixon was still able to get reelected on his law and order crackdown type of messaging even though those things were on his watch. So a lot of them disregard a lot of this talk that youve heard from biden about, you wont be safe in Donald Trumps america, and theyve really solidified about this message. We havent heard about mailin voting. There has become a lot more message discipline on this one issue. Yes, youll hear about fracking, the economy here and there. But theyre zeroing in on this. And they say internally, al wlies of the president , in the po po po po polling. We dont have a lot of great polling until you get out of the convention, but at least thats the feeling and the momentum right now inside trump world. We are waiting still for i thought we would have a bunch of brandnew polls today. Weve got a few readouts in the last couple days but i think still waiting to see exactly what that convention did or didnt do. Kimberly, too, it strikes me we are talking right now about violence, about Police Shootings, about order in cities. The topics that get this kind of focus, it can be easy to forget how quickly the subject can change. We mentioned the coronavirus. Still raging. Its still out there very much at the top of this broadcast. Still plenty of time left in this campaign. The focus in a moment like this, it can be hard to appreciate, i think. But the focus could very potentially shift off this issue to the coronavirus or to Something Else altogether between now and election day. Yes. We have seen how quickly the subject changes in politics. I think one thing is different here although President Trump clearly wants to keep the subject on this issue of law and order. Its the reason for this visit to wisconsin tomorrow. The difference between shifting away from other issues like, say, the impeachment or Something Else is that americans every single day are dealing with the coronavirus. There are millions of parents right now who are either once again starting to school their children at home or have some modified schedule to try to slowly send them back to school or to college. There are people still working from home. There are millions of people still unemployed, losing their health care, really unsure of what might what stimulus, if any, might be coming to congress to help them. This is the biggest Kitchen Table issue in america right now. So even if the president isnt talking about it and hes trying to steer the attention away from it, voters really cant get away from it. Its the number one issue according to all recent polling that is on voters minds right now. All right. Kimberly atkins, shannon pettypiece, and robert costa, thank you all for being with us. Really appreciate that. And coming up, the fbi has been warning about heavily Armed Civilian militias for years. Frank figliuzzi on what he calls the radicalization of americans. 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He is the author of the upcoming book the fbis way inside the bureaus code of excellence. Frank, thanks for joining us. I think in that excerpt i just read there, we get to an important question here because you see these videos, read these reports coming out of various cities, and you see chaos. You see the camera looking this way, that way. You see dozens of people here, dozens of people there. To try to tell the difference, somebody who is armed, protecting their business because they feel, perhaps rightfully so, the police cant get to it that night versus somebody who is part of a militia movement, part of a group thats actively seeking to promote violence. How can you tell the difference in situations like this . Steve, youre right to ask the question because the job of Law Enforcement and what theyre going to face in the next couple of months is perhaps the most difficult challenge theyve faced since 9 11. We are essentially at a kind of 9 11 but an even more complex one because of the online nature of trying to ferret out who in that chat room, who in that blog, who in that tweetstorm is really meaning to act out on violence and who isnt, and who are the bad guys and the good guys. And its an incredibly challenging job made even harder by the president of the United States himself, who seems to not only not want to denounce all violence but rather seems to be encouraging it and even perhaps offering a defense for the 17yearold Kyle Rittenhouse in kenosha, saying that he may have acted in selfdefense. So weve got a problem on our hands. Law enforcement has a great challenge on their hands. And by the way, steve, Law Enforcement is not fully equipped with all of the legislative and investigative techniques that they would have if they were facing an International Terror threat because there are no domestic terrorism laws per se. Law enforcement doesnt want to monitor ideology or thought. They almost have to wait for the violence to be advocated before they can take down a site or take down a group. So its an incredibly tense time that were looking at. Yeah. Im curious too. When you see these various scenes, whether it is in kenosha, portland, some of these other cities, take us through what you are seeing and how you would analyze it in terms of do you see primarily do you think you are primarily seeing folks who are parts of these groups, folk whos had some online involvement that led them to go out to the street, you know, folks lets say its right wing militia. Some on the right will say what about antifa on the left . Do you think youre primarily seeing folks that are part of something thats organized, or do you think theres a large component of this too who really are just folks from the community who maybe think theyre defending a business or maybe are just part of a protest. What do you think the balance is there . Do you have a way of assessing that . Yeah. I think so the facts become really important, especially if you want to counter a threat and identify it. Youve got to do your homework, and youve got to know what youre dealing with. So the answer, steve, is all of the above. The Law Enforcement sources i talk to, the private intelligence analysts that i talk to tell me theyre seeing the fulghl gamut here. So people are responding to a call to arms. The shooting in kenosha by Kyle Rittenhouse has caused him to become a hero online to extremist groups, radical violent groups, militia groups, neonazi and qanon. They all think hes some kind of hero, and they are answering a call to seek revenge against anybody who would take issue with kyle. The same call is going out in the portland area for the death of a trump supporter. They think thats, quote, the first shot fired in a civil war. But, steve, Law Enforcement also tells me the people there are arresting for crimes, for violence, for property violence are from all walks of life and the majority are out for only one thing, and thats criminality. And then the people who are organized toward violences, my Law Enforcement sources tell me they are by and large on the far right. Theyre not exclusively there, but we have a president who seems not to want to acknowledge that and an attorney general who seems not to want to call that out. So theyre going to feel empowered, and what Law Enforcement sources tell me is theyre seeing a kind of radicalization process take place online that is unfortunately very similar to the kind of radicalization process we saw in the violent islamic jihadist movement, and thats a bad recipe that were looking at. Well, right. It seems to just listening to you, im thinking hopefully there are no more incidences like kenosha or anything that might bring this out. But if there is one, it sounds like youve got folks there who are just waiting for it, and it gets it escalates. It seems to feed everything that happens seems to feed the Conspiracy Theory of the day or the moment, and it becomes a selffulfilling prophecy. And people who are troubled, seeking and radicalized now speaking to belong to a cause greater than themselves, seeking to belong to some group that will affirm them even though theyve never met these folks, they will turn out. And what we need is a president to come out and say, this is an unamerican act. This is not a patriotic act to commit violence in the streets. Thats about the only thing that will cause these people to back off if they see that affirmation is not coming from their leader. All right. Frank figliuzzi, thank you for taking a few minutes. Appreciate that. And coming up, an arizona doctor in the thick of it. He joins us. Were going to get his take on the controversial concept of herd immunity. 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Surpasses 6 million confirmed cases and an average of 900 americans continue to die from the virus daily. For more, we are joined again by dr. Murtaza akhtar. He is a clinical professor at the university of Arizona College of medicine in phoenix. Doctor, thank you for joining us. Appreciate you taking the time. This concept of herd immunity, i think folks have certainly heard it come up plenty in the last few months. But, again, take us through what that would entail . And we mentioned sweden there. I know sweden is trying this strategy. How is it working there . Thanks for having me, steve. I think this is a very important concept to clear up. For one, if you look at sweden and you compare them to other scandinavian countries, sweden has done far, far worse than norway, finland, denmark. If you try to compare apples to apples as much as possible, swedens strategy has not worked. Two, herd immunity, if youre talking to Public Health experts or talking to a physician, isnt meant to be, lets just let everybody get sick and see what happens, okay . Herd immunity was planet to imply if you vaccinate people and vaccinate enough of them, then the herd becomes immune to the disease even if a few people dont get vaccinated. It was never let everybody get sick and the survivors will survive. Thats not exactly what we mean when we see herd immunity. Thats eugenics. So youre gearing this towards that question of the vaccine. Theres some news on that front as well. Put this up here from the financial times. The fda commissioner stephen hahn saying that his agency is prepared to authorize a vaccine before phasethree Clinical Trials are complete as long as officials believe the benefits outweigh the risks. Phase three here in this vaccine development, weve had a number of potential vaccine candidates that are moving to that state right here. I imagine the fda commissioner, if he were here, would talk about weve never had Something Like this before, the scale of what were facing with coronavirus. It requires Something Like this. Does it make sense to you, the idea potentially of not waiting all the way through phase three . If the only reason for not waiting for phase three were just paperwork, i can see why theyd want to expedite it. But its for a political reason, as donald trump himself has mention mentioned, that i think theyre delaying it because of an election, thats a horrendous reason to expedite. Remember, theres a reason we go through phase three trials. Its to make sure that in a large, large group of people and it requires a very large group of people to test the effectiveness of vaccines because thats not everybody has the disease. Thats the point of vaccines. The whole point of doing it is to make sure the benefits outweigh the risks and it requires a large group of people tested. Theres also ethical reasons for doing testing the right way. Weve had a history of testing marginalized people. We cant use people of certain races or certain socioeconomic statuses to be our guinea pigs in order to get the vaccine out to people just because we want somebody to potentially be elected, okay . So we need to do this the right way. There are ways of expediting it legally and ethically, but if youre doing it for political reasons, thats absolutely the wrong way. And remember, if do you it the rong way, people who are antivaccers, who i thought had gone into a hole and were never going to come out, but theyre ugly heads again. If you do it the wrong way and there are harms, you have significantly harmed the effect of the vaccine because, remember, its not vaccines that save lives. Its vaccination that saves lives. If you implement it too quickly and incorrectly, there might be a lot of people who say, you know what . I dont want the risks. Im not going to get vaccinated, and then yuch more than shot yourself in the foot. Youve potentially killed people. You said there are ways to expedite it. What would they be . So for example people will talk about adaptive analyses, enrolling people. But these are very minute small things. As of now the way the companies are doing it, theyre doing it the right way. You can talk about how you group the different groups and whether you can do some Adaptive Designs potentially, maybe not so much with this trial but with certain ones to get the data a little bit faster. But to expedite and just say were not going to finish phase three, remember here in arizona there was a period of time where we were doing a testing blitz to be able to see if we could open up the economy. But we opened up before all those data came back. Coincidentally the president was in town at the same time. We opened up early, and then we very quickly became the worst hot spot in the country. 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A warning for the country from former Vice President joe biden today, and it came during bidens first inperson Campaign Event since the national convention. A new Morning Consult poll showed trump beginning to cut into that lead that biden has though biden is still ahead by six points nationally there, 50 to 44 . Back with us again tonight, david plouffe, former Obama Campaign manager, former Senior Adviser to president obama. He is also on the board of directors for the obama foundation, and his latest book ist a citizens guide to beating donald trump. David plouffe, lets begin where your book title suggests. You want to beat donald trump. Joe bidens speech today, the speech he delivered today, there was a lot of chatter in the last few days leading up to this speech that potentially democrats had a vulnerability here when it came to this topic of public safety, that potentially donald trump was starting to tap into that, beginning to show that maybe he could tap into that. Do you see a vulnerability there, and if so, did biden address it today successfully . Well, steve, good to be with you. I think Donald Trumps the incumbent, so to the extent hes talking about violence and unrest, its on his watch. We saw today, a tale of two speeches. Joe bidens speech today, i thought very important. My hope is we see him more days than not the rest of the campaign out like that. I think its incredibly important. Donald trump at the president ial podium basically sent a signal by defending the shooter in kenosha, his supporter, defended him. So, you know, one person is saying, you know, protests, yes. Violence, no. The other one is basically rooting for it because he thinks its his only road to reelection. So at the end of the day because trumps an incumbent, because he owns this mess, i think joe biden made a very important point today that, you know, do you feel safer . Its Donald Trumps america right now. So i would be mindful of that if youre the Biden Campaign. Theyre going to watch those numbers very carefully. Below the horse race, when you see movement there in either direction. But i think at the end of the day, this is different than a challenger making this kind of assertion. And i think donald trump right now, every day when he does Something Like he did in the white house podium today, i think makes bidens case for him. More than enough people i think in this country have decided they dont want to rehire trump. Bidens got to continue to seal the deal. But one of the things they dont like is this kind of behavior that is not answering, i think, the concerns that the American People have. On that front, this was donald trump talking today in an interview. Lets take a listen to what he had to say. We had somebody get on a plane from a certain city this weekend, and in the plane it was almost completely loaded with thugs wearing these dark uniforms, black uniforms with gear and this and that. Theyre on a plane. Where was this . Ill tell you sometime, but its under investigation right now. But they came from a certain city, and this person was coming to the Republican National convention, and they were like seven people on the plane like this person. And then a lot of people were on the plane to do big damage. They were coming planning for washington . Yeah. This was all this is all happening. Thats a new interview the president gave there to Laura Ingraham on fox. A little unclear exactly what hes saying there, but you get the gist, i think, of what hes trying to talk around there. The effectiveness of that message from the president , that type of message . What is clear, steve, is hes not well, okay . If your neighbor started saying those things, you know, youd be deeply concerned. This is the president of the United States talking about people in black clothing in planes, like joe bidens secret agents. Its crazy. Also i saw a clip in that same interview when he was talking about the shooting in kenosha. He basically said, well, the officer maybe shouldnt have shot in the back. Its like a golfer choking on a putt. So this is somebody whos not well. And, you know, hes a genius at marketing at one stage in his life. But right now the visibility is not helping him, and thats the box hes in. Interviews, speeches, the tweets. He can do a thousand of those a day, and at the end of the day right now, its not helping him because its reinforcing. But that interview you just showed, i mean its basically we have a president of the United States whos dangerously unwell, and i think what hes trying to do is embrace qanon. I mean hes basically trying to incent violence out there, and hes trying to really stir up this increasingly small base of his because, again, i think right now his only strategy to reelection is he wants america to burn, and he wants to be able to blame giant for that. We mentioned that Morning Consult poll. They have it at six points. Im looking at the poll averages. Its in that six to seven range right now. We havent gotten the number of what you might call brand name polls yet, showing the fallout, if there is any, from these two conventions. I imagine were going to get them in the next few days, sometime this week here. What do you expect to see . Do you expect that there will be Movement Towards the president here . Do you expect it will get closer than six points . What are you looking for in the next round of numbers that come out . Well, steve, the National Polls have always been irrelevant to me in a president ial race, so im going to be most interested in seeing highquality battleground state polls. But lets talk about that. So there are states where the biden poll average, you know, in wisconsin or in michigan or pennsylvania michigans a little larger. You know, maybe hes up 4942. So lets say some of that 49 or some of that 42 could move around. You know it as well as anybody in the country. But lets say that theres 9 of the people who are undecided. How is that nine going to fall . Some wont vote, but trump is going to get more of that than biden. I dont think bidens ceiling is 55. So, yes, i do think this race is going to tietghten. I think you should assume the race is going to tighten. You should assume it could tighten a lot. One of two things are going to happen. Either you work really hard and help register and turn out voters and persuade swing voters and joe biden wins a razor close election, or the biden lead maintains some strength and youre able to really win, which would send a powerful message against trump but help democrats. But, yes, i really do think this is going to tighten. And my suspicion is heading into that first debate on september 29th, you know bidens lead in these battlegrounds, hell still have them, maybe in all six of the core battlegrounds. We have to start paying attention to minnesota as well. Of three to five points, which is larger than we had in 2012 in our reelection against mitt romney. I still think the most important date in the rest of the campaign is september 29th. If biden can have a Strong Performance given the low bar trump is setting, maybe biden can widen that again. But i would expect tightening, and i think people should act accordingly and not be surprised. Trumps at an unnaturally low point right now. Hes going to get some of that back thats kind of parked and undecided right now. David plouffe, thank you for taking a few minutes. Appreciate it. Coming up, a preview of a redhot primary race in massachusetts. Could the kennedys lose in massachusetts . Back after this. Another bundle in the books. Got to hand it to you, jamie. Your knowledge of victorian architecture really paid off this time. Nah, just got lucky. So did the thompsons. That faulty wiring couldve cost them a lot more than the mudroom. 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He ran six times in democratic primaries in massachusetts for the house, for the senate, for the presidency, undefeated. Six wins, no losses for jfk in democratic primaries in massachusetts. Its a dynasty, though. Its not just jfk. Its his brother ted starting in 1962, going all the way through his last election in 2006. Ted kennedy was in ten democratic primaries in massachusetts, did not lose a single one of them. How about joe kennedy ii . Joe kennedy ii is one of rfks kids. 1986. He runs for the house, the seat that jfk once had. He wins that democratic primary. He wins five more democratic primaries. He goes 60 in democratic primaries. Noticing a pattern here . Then there is the son of joe kennedy ii, joe kennedy iii. Hes the kennedy were talking about right now. He ran for the u. S. House back in 2012. He got elected like all kennedys in massachusetts, it seems. Hes won four democratic primaries. He hasnt lost one. The total record there for kennedys, 260 in democratic primaries. Thats what joe kennedy iii took into this race. His opponent, ed markey, 74 years old. Lifer in congress, got there in 76. Got to the senate in 2013. Like i said, big mismatch, right . Yeah, its looking like oh, thats the wrong screen. Lets try it again. Its looking like a mismatch. Markey up 16 in one poll last week, up 12 in another, and up 10 in a third. Three doubledigit leads for ed markey going into tomorrow in the polls. Ed markey endorsed by aoc. Hes run on the green new deal. Hes got a lot of energy from younger voters. Hes also he seems to have some support from warren voters. Thats important in massachusetts. Shes endorsed his campaign. So ed markey came into this as the big, big underdog, huge underdog. He goes into tomorrow as the favorite. But still expecting a big turnout for this thing, a local of mailin ballots have been cast. Folks will go out tomorrow. Well see. 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