You had protesting also because, you know, they just didnt know. Ive watched i watched it very closely. Why are you here . And they really werent able to say. What we saw was a terrible thing, and weve seen it over the years. You know, this was one horrible example, but youve seen other terrible examples. We cant let Something Like this where you have a bad apple go out and, you know, destroy the image of millions of people that take really good care of us. And then you have a movement where they say, lets not have a police department. Our nbc news colleagues who cover the white house for us report that aides to the president are divided on how he should respond to the demonstrations 18 days in, that hes caught between those who want him to, quote, calm a country in the grips of a pandemic, economic uncertainty, and civil unrest, and those who want him to lean into aggressive tactics. The report indicates trumps unwillingness to come down on one side or the other. That has frustrated his allies, led to a slow, sometimes contradictory response. Quote, these arent my voters, the president has said repeatedly, dismissing protesters in discussions with aides about how to respond. One adviser said the president and his allies should be taking on the black lives Matter Movement by calling it a Front Organization for a lot of crazy leftist ideas that are unpopular. But another political ally said hes choosing not to set the agenda on policing and race in the u. S. When he should be leading on those issues by taking steps like banning tactics like choke holds. Trump has said he plans to issue some sort of executive order on standards for use of force. He appears to be zeroing in on choke holds and his own unique description of them. I i dont like choke holds. Now, i will say this. As somebody that, you know, you grow up, and you wrestle, and you fight, and you this or you see what happens. Sometimes if youre alone and youre fighting somebody whos tough, and you get somebody in a choke hold, what are you going to do . Say, oh and its a real bad person, and you know that. And they do exist. If youre thinking about it, then you realize maybe there is a bad fight, and the officer gets somebody in a position. The concept of choke hold sounds so innocent, so perfect, and then you realize if its a oneonone now, if its twoonone, its a little bit of a different story. That being said, i think it would be a very good thing that generally speaking it should be ended. Trump has yet to give any kind of speech on race or unity or race relations, preferring to bring these topics up at smaller, more carefully curated events. Politico is reporting that some people of color in senior roles at the white house say the administration had, quote, a huge opportunity and botched it. Tomorrow trump will have a chance to speak to a large group when he addresses graduates at west point. Hell be speaking to over 1,000 newly minted Second Lieutenants in the midst of an extraordinary falling out with the nations military after the pentagons top general publicly apologized for showing up with trump at that now famous photo op minutes after federal authorities forced protesters off public grounds. That was followed by scathing criticism from exdefense secretary jim mattis as well as several former commanders and military officials. As trump has sought to navigate difficult points in his presidency, he has often compared his performance to past president s and, most recently, to Abraham Lincoln. I think ive done more for the black community than any other president , and lets take a pass on Abraham Lincoln because he did good although its always questionable, you know . In other words well, we are free, mr. President. He did pretty well. You understand what i mean . Yes. Im going to take a pass on honest abe as we call him. Here for our leadoff discussion on a friday night, the veteran journalist, bestselling author susan page. Usa today Washington Bureau chief. Robert costa, National Political reporter for the washington post, moderator of Washington Week on pbs. Melissa murray is back with us as well. Shes an nyu law professor who clerked for Sonia Sotomayor when the now Supreme Court justice was sitting on the u. S. Court of appeals. Good evening and welcome to you all. Hey, susan, what does his thinking on lincoln tell you about his thinking . Well, brian, youre a student of history. Tell me what are the questions about lincoln and emancipation because i am unfamiliar with them. I mean its just hard to imagine. Part of, i think, President Trumps difficulty in talking about these issues in a fresh way. Hes talked about race a lot in his life. He talked about race in 2016, back to the central park five, but its been race in a different way, race as a wedge. So this different call for him to use race as reaching out to new attitudes to addressing longstanding racial injustices, that is something he is really just not comfortable doing. Melissa, heres a quote from the New York Times on donald trump and race and Public Opinion shifting around him. Whether it is suggesting shooting protesters or siccing dogs on them, preemptively defending the confederate names of military installations or arguing that his supporters love the black people, mr. Trump increasingly sounds like a cultural relic, detached from not just the leftleaning protesters in the streets but also the countrys political middle and even some republican allies and his own military leaders. Melissa, is that the broader point . Is that the movement we feel in the earth, that sound you hear, as weve been saying all week, is the demographic and generational train leaving the station . Well, i dont think anyone is expecting the president to be woke on issues of race, but i do think that most americans were expecting more of a conciliatory tone, recognizing that people of color have disproportionally borne the impact of the pandemic and that on top of it, the Police Violence that weve seen the protests responding to over the last couple of weeks, i think most people just expected more of this president and perhaps we should not have. Robert, we have a pandemic under way. We have people protesting in the streets for 18 Straight Days and nights. The American Economy is a shambles. Roughly one in four out of work. Hardly a brew for a successful Reelection Campaign, say nothing of the other republicans downballot from this president. Yeah, republicans are trying to navigate this moment on their own, in a different way from President Trump but not trying to become politically isolated from him. To build on professor murrays excellent points, you see republicans like kevin mccarthy, the minority leader in the house, now open to a discussion about a federal ban on choke holds because, as she said, there is an expectation in the country but specifically in battleground states, in battleground districts, that this is a racial reckoning in the United States, a National Moment where there are many calls for change. And so whether its leader mccarthy or even leader mcconnell in the senate, who has delegated some of the debate and discussion to senator tim scott of south carolina, you do see republicans being a bit open, more than the president , to some discussion of policy reform. Susan, you and i have so often discussed president ial moments. Youve written about your share of them. When the history of this administration is written, where do you think Lafayette Park will land . I think it is a hugely iconic moment in this in this whole time. I think its something that well remember. I think it was it helped define President Trumps approach to this. It also, i think, prompted a lot of americans to say they supported they support the idea of peaceful protests outside the white house. They dont like the idea of the forcible removal of protesters so the president could go and stand in front of st. Johns church. I think it was a hugely damaging episode for the president. And we see the reverberations even now, even with general milley apologizing for being with the president. What an extraordinary thing is that . The chairman of the joint chiefs of staff appointed by this president to that job apologizing for going with him for that photo op. Really quite momentous, historic occasion that is. Professor, lets engage in a little entomology. I heard someone tonight wondering that perhaps trump saw a segment on television, perhaps even fox news where a member of Law Enforcement was saying that in a scuffle, if perfectly applied, a choke hold is effective toward gaining control of someone. What else would lead him to use the words innocent and perfect to discuss a choke hold . I really could not get into the mind of the president to actually give you any sense of why innocent and perfect were the terms that he used to describe a choke hold. I think at a time where so many of us are thinking about ways that the police can deescalate confrontations with civilians, to say that the choke hold is innocent and perfect in some circumstances is to really give lie to that particular debate. But again, this is the same president who has announced that hes having a rally on juneteenth, the anniversary of the emancipation of africanamericans in this country in tulsa, oklahoma, the site of one of the most significant race riots and massacres in this countrys history. So in terms of what the message is, i think were getting a very clear signal from the president that some of these things dont matter in his view. Melissa, the further insult as Rachel Maddow profiled tonight extensively is that juneteenth celebrations in tulsa were all canceled this year because, after all, were in the middle of a pandemic. This will now bring a mass of people into a city, tulsa, with spiking coronavirus rates right now. Again, as i said before, the Africanamerican Community and other communities of color have disproportionally borne the impact of the coronavirus. To take juneteenth, which is a day that is really important to a number of africanamericans, hasnt been celebrated on a wide scale in the United States, but important nonetheless, and to have a political rally on that day, again, it underscores the degree to which this is not a concern, at least for this administration, but perhaps it should be. Robert costa, a couple of remaining issues. We have 144 days, and we have 50 secretaries of state whose job it is ideally to ensure the integrity of the coming election. On a micro level, you have the Trump Campaign and the continued swirl of rumors, some of them in conservative media, that the president s going to pull the rip cord on the man running the campaign. Discuss any or all. Well, when you look at the Trump Campaign right now, its being run by brad parscale, but you also have a Deputy Campaign manager who came from the white house. Mr. Parscale has often been someone who has been the subject of speculation in the president s inner circle. Because of his high profile, he sometimes appears in advertisements. He appears at Trump Campaign rallies. But remember he is close to not only President Trump but to the president s children, and in the president s inner circle, after reporting on him for a decade, its clear that being a friend of jared kushner, of donald trump jr. And eric trump and ivanka trump gives you capital inside a world that has always been familyoriented. He was the digital director in 2016. For now, based on my reporting, he appears to be safe. But we did see in 2016 the president rifled between Campaign Managers quite a bit. Susan, its true that books will be written about this campaign. I guess as you look back through american history, the closest weve had to the front campaigns of the late 1800s all of it because of a pandemic. And one of these days, were going to learn who the form Vice President biden has chosen as his running mate. Do you have any intel on that process . Well, we know that theyve gone to a second round of vetting. We know hes announced publicly hes going to choose a woman. I think it is very likely that he will choose a woman of color. That would be important to seize this moment. That would seem appropriate and also to energize some of the voters that he needs to energize. By the biden people are looking pretty optimistic at the moment. I mean its five months away. A lot can happen. But when you see places like ohio and iowa being competitive, when you see georgia and arizona being competitive, this is all very sobering news for the president. And, professor, a final question to you to try to end on a hopeful note. 18 Straight Days and nights. We still have people in the streets tonight, yet can you supply us with a hopeful note that the arguments are being heard, that the door is being opened to reforming policing and social justice . Well, i think the fact that weve seen so many young people taking to the streets, even at a time when we are under a lockdown and dealing with a deadly virus, should give us some hope that our democracy is in good hands, that these young people really do care about these issues. I think even in the regular institutions of government, weve seen a lot of movement showing that these issues really matter to a lot of people. Weve seen bills passed, bills floated in congress dealing with things like qualified immunity. Weve heard calls for redistributing police funds to other sorts of social justice issues, including education. So were taking a lot of this seriously, and theres been a lot of movement. The fact that we have seen the rise of noknock warrant bans in certain communities, im including louisville, kentucky, where Breonna Taylor was killed, all of this suggests that people are taking this moment incredibly seriously. Its a really important moment in our countrys history, and they are making the most of it. Thank you for that. A good note to end on. With our thanks to three terrific guests on a friday night after the end of another very long week. To susan page, to robert costa, to melissa murray, our great thanks. Coming up for us, rallying at your own risk. Why does the president s Reelection Campaign have more to say more forthrightly about coronavirus than the president . Well show you what dr. Fauci had to say about the risk of just showing up at next weeks maga rally in tulsa. 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But the issue is if they do, please wear a mask all the time. Dr. Anthony fauci warning against the very activities the president is promoting. Its been 46 days, 46 days since the last official White House Coronavirus task force briefing. Today the cdc did say, offcamera mind you, that state or local governments may want to reimpose strict social distancing measures if cases dramatically spike. And that will have to pass as our advice from our federal government today. 14 states reporting increases of 25 or more in new cases. Oregon, utah putting reopening plans on pause. Other states are not. With us again tonight, its a lot. Dr. Irwin redlener, pediatrics physician by training, a clinical professor with the school of Public Health up at Columbia University in new york, where he is also the director of columbias National Center for disaster preparedness. Doctor, where are we the question i ask you every time youre nice enough to come on our broadcast. Where are we in this virus . Well, brian, were actually facing a its not even a second wave yet because we havent finished with the first wave. But were experiencing very significant upticks in the number of cases, hospitalizations, and fatalities in a number of the states that opened. And i think all of the states, brian, as weve discussed before, have opened way too soon, and now were seeing some really awful consequences that come from those decisions. I hope youre okay with the mantle of being among the faces of Public Health in our country. It struck me watching fauci today that wasnt part of any government briefing. To see tony fauci for the first time in days when you would have had to been watching cnn at the 6 00 eastern hour tonight, one thing that could put more americans into the streets is being ill served by their federal government. 46 days since they bothered to update us on the coronavirus. And to my earlier question, its not as if the danger has passed. Not in the slightest, brian. And this is the problem. You know, i think those briefings, those press conferences, whatever they were that the president had been doing daily, turned out to be big missteps for him. He kept saying things that werent true, that were contradicted by fauci and the other Public Health officials, so they just decided to stop them. That leaves us in a vacuum of any kind of information, accurate or not accurate from the federal government. That means it becomes the wild west out there in the states, and a lot of states are, as you said, putting their reopening plans on hold as they should. Im afraid were going to see a lot of states reinstituting the sheltering in place and so on. Were looking at increased not only tests positive but hospitalizations and fatalities in states like arizona and arkansas and North Carolina and so on. So we really have a problem, and we havenshouldnt have opened s early in the first place as weve been talking about for weeks, brian. Mike pence was Walking Around a restaurant in season. No mask. His secret service detail, however, members of that were wearing masks. Its not going to happen that the president and Vice President are going to lead by example. The weather has indeed turned warm. In your line of work, how do you fight human nature other than just trying to scare people to death . Well, we could have thought about this a long time ago, brian, you know, by having consistent messages out of the white house that were coherent, that were true, that were in line with what the Public Health experts were saying. And we just have never had that from day one of this whole pandemic. And were paying a big price right now. For the Vice President or the president to be Walking Around without a mask is such a terrible example for the american people. They really ought to be ashamed of themselves, and theyre causing chaos, and theyll ultimately be causing lots of hospitalizations and unfortunately fatalities out there by their totally inappropriate example, brian. We can straightup say it is political pressure that has made the briefings disappear. The white house would very much like to just move on and change the subject and turn the page. How much do you fear the books getting cooked at the state level . I noted today the young woman in florida who had been the keeper of the health stats who got fired from her job, rebekah jones, has gone ahead on her own and set up a website, a dashboard for floridians to look at the most recent numbers. Are we going to be relying on this kind of citizenbased data as people try to learn how safe or how dangerous their own state is . Yeah. Brian, its pathetic, and its an International Embarrassment for the United States to be in this position. This started when they really messed up the ability to even do basic testing. Now with this messaging fiasco day after day after day and to have to depend on a private citizen rather than our own government is pathetic beyond words, and its hard to know how to characterize that except to say thank you to this young woman who is compiling the data. And im just really sorry for the people that live in states that have put a clamp on accurate information. Some states are not even reporting to the cdc their data like theyre supposed to be doing. So this is absolute chaos out there and a shame for our country and a shame for the safety of american citizens everywhere, brian. Dr. Irwin redlener, thank you as always for spending some time with us and staying up with us tonight. And while the doctor was talking, weve heard from the president , who has just tweeted. We had previously scheduled our maga rally, tulsa, oklahoma, for june 19th, a big deal. Unfortunately, however, this would fall on the juneteenth holiday. Many of my africanamerican friends and supporters have reached out to suggest that we consider changing the date out of respect for this holiday. And in observance of the important occasion that this represents. I have therefore decided to move our rally to saturday, june 20th, in order to honor their request. And then of course he adds, weve already had ticket requests in excess of 200,000 people. He looks forward to seeing everyone in oklahoma. We know that if youre going to get a ticket, you need to sign off on a waiver saying you will not hold the president liable if you leave the rally with the makings of coronavirus. So theres your news at this hour. Coming up, our next guest, a west point grad himself, says theres a 5050 chance the president will disgrace himself tomorrow. Indistinct talking on tv ] hey. You fell asleep with your sign again. You fell asleep with your sign again. No, i didnt. Okay. 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This virus is testing all of us. And its testing the people on the front lines of this fight most of all. So abbott is getting new tests into their hands, delivering the critical results they need. And until this fight is over, we. Will. Never. Quit. Because they never quit. Tomorrow the president will deliver the commencement address at west point where social distancing measures will be in place. It comes amid rising tensions between the president and his military leaders over how to handle protests across our country. In a letter posted online, hundreds of west point alumni urged the current class to uphold their oath to the constitution and not political leaders, adding, quote, sadly the government has threatened to use the army in which you serve as a weapon against fellow americans engaging in these legitimate protests. Just yesterday the chairman of the joint chiefs, general mark milley, apologized for his role in that now infamous june 1st photo op, photos of which will now forever show him surveying the scene in camo fatigues. Nbc news reports he discussed resigning amid the controversy that followed. During an interview on fox news, the president was asked about military leaders speaking out. Why do you think youre hearing from general milley, from secretary of defense esper, and not why you think you are, but do you think its significant . No, i dont think so. No. I mean if thats the way they feel, i think thats fine. I have good relationships with the military. With us again tonight, retired fourstar u. S. Army general barry mccaffrey, a decorated combat veteran of vietnam and a former battlefield commander in the persian gulf. Happens to be a west point graduate and a longtime former adjunct professor up there. General, first of all, tomorrow is not without risk. All thousand or so of these newly minted Second Lieutenants have been scattered to the winds. Theyve been taking part in learning over computer as all college kids have. This puts them back together again prior to scattering again on their assignments. So we have that aspect, number one. Number two, what can the president say and, conversely, what do you think he will say . Well, its a risky proposition. Never in my lifetime have i seen more tension between the Senior Leadership of the department of defense and a president , ever. I mean secretary esper and the chairman both got publicly rebuked, disowned by the president , mott junot just overe of military combat forces in social unrest situations, but also over the renaming of Army Installations after confederate generals. Ive never seen anything like it. So the president s going up there. Its his right. Hell be courteously and respectfully received by faculty and cadets. It will be completely safe. Theyll be socially distanced. But what we can only hope is that he doesnt further try and politicize the armed forces. By the way, that letter, brian, i thought was inappropriate. I told him not to sign up for it, and not to take part in it. The last thing we want is former grads casting doubt on their own chain of command. So we got a mess going on on our hands caused by mr. Trump unfortunately. Have you ever seen a situation you just mentioned, anything close to secretary of defense, chairman of the joint chiefs both having to go out on their own, even at times of wartime stress, social unrest goi . Going back decades, i cant think of a parallel. No. Its an unusual situation. I might add that that Lafayette Square suppression of a peaceful protest was in many ways a turning point because it did underscore mark milley, i think is one of the finest officers weve produced in the army. Combat reputation unbelievable. Smart as hell. Princeton grad. Hes just firstrate. But he was properly ashamed at having been drafted into the wake of the president over this issue. But all his Service Chiefs now, all of them have put out internal communications not really defying mr. Trump so much as reminding the armed forces that we swear an oath to the constitution and not to an individual and that our First Amendment rights are part of that package that were here to defend. So its just a very, i think, tricky situation. Mark esper started to waver on us in my view, but i think he suddenly realized his place in history is going to be jeopardized if he the latest one was mr. Trump talking about using u. S. Combat forces to seize the capitol hill autonomous zone in seattle. I mean what a goofy thing to do. Thousands of Shadow Police and sheriff departments and national guard. Weve got a governor, states rights, a mayor. Why would he dream of making this kind of a mindless threat . Hes never going to carry it out. Anyway, a very dismaying situation with the president of the United States. General, who was the graduation speaker for the west point class of 1964, and what percentage of you were handed, like you were, a plane ticket to vietnam . Well, you know, i thought of that earlier this afternoon, and i meant to look it up because it didnt even vaguely make a spark of consciousness in any of us. Obviously memorable. Yeah, but none of them will forget mr. Trump being there tomorrow, i can assure you. I hope by the way, i pray he gets through his commencement address in a respectful, moderate way. Vice president pence did a great job out at the air force academy. I think mr. Trump got pence envy, which is why hes going to west point. But you make a good point. Our class graduated to an army that had been at peace for 15 years, and suddenly we all got pulled into the war, and that dominated the first ten years of our life. We were in and out of combat, in and out of hospitals recovering from wounds, tremendous casualties. These classes now are entering into a different world in which fortunately weve backed out of afghanistan and iraq to a large extent. But still theres great threats in the world. Its not just west point. The Service Academies are providing young officer leadership, women and men, that infuse the values into the armed forces. Theyre looking at this situation and trying to sort out where do we go from here . General barry mccaffrey, west point class of 64, thank you very much for joining us tonight. We appreciate it as always. Coming up for us, a look at yet another extraordinary week with an activist and comedian who is here to talk us all through it. When the murrays started using gain ultra flings they fell in love with its irresistible scent. Looks like their dog michelangelo did too. New gain ultra flings with two times oxi boost and febreze. While also capturing the possibilities. 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Its going to be really a celebration, and its an interesting date. It wasnt done for that reason, but its an interesting date. But its a celebration. Somebody got to him. Somebody told him, and if you were watching, you know just moments ago the president announced the rally will now be held june 20th. Its a lot to talk about tonight. We welcome to the broadcast bare tune day thurston, writer, activist, comedian, former producer for the daily show with trevor noah. Quarantine life has him hosting his own show, live on lockdown on instagram live. Also happens to be the author of the New York Times bestseller how to be black. Thank you very much for coming on. Weve been looking forward to talking to you. When you comforted or troubled to hear our president say about lincoln, he did good while always questionable because i got to say, ive always had my doubts about that guy . Yeah. Comfort isnt the word i would use, brian. Thank you so much for having me. Most of what this president does is troubling, if not outright unconstitutional, including comments about an actually great president , Abraham Lincoln. How about these comments quoted in the nbc news piece. The president watching people in the streets 18 days and nights, people who will bring about actual social change and are part of a generational demographic, huge social change in this country. He looks at the them and says, they arent my voters. And imagine if ike hadnt sent federal troops in, if jfk hadnt sent his brother, if lbj hadnt staked his presidency on it, if they had instead said, they arent my voters. Every opportunity this president has faced to choose either himself or the interests of the public good, he has chosen himself. The challenge now is were in an increasingly common moment, at least of awareness, that racism is still real, that police are out of control when it comes to black people and the use of force. And its become so safe that the majority of the country, twothirds now side with black lives matter. Its so safe that mitt romney feels comfortable going to a black lives matter rally. Its so safe that nascar has banned the Confederate Flag at its own events. Yet this president still doesnt feel safe. Hes so insecure because hes not really the president of all of us. He is the president of a small and shrinking group of extremists who are out of touch with the increasing consensus that there is a truth to this country that we are ready to start to really reckon with. I want to quote you something from a longtime friend of this broadcast, Pulitzer Prize winner Eugene Robinson of the washington post, who writes, under the headline trump might go down in history as the last president of the confederacy. We quote, trump must be bewildered, unsubtle appeals to racial animus, remember his birther lies, have always worked for him in the past. But now he seems to be flailing. If it turns out that the lost cause is finally truly lost, then so is the president who made himself its champion. Yet baratunde, i have to say with so many of our guests, ive been saying that the demographic and generational train is leaving the station. Doesnt this, in your view, leave the president more thoroughly isolated . He is extraordinarily isolated, brian. And unfortunately that can be very dangerous to a lot of us. But heres the good news. Where there is no leadership at the top of our national pyramid of leadership, there is great leadership on the ground. You mentioned some of this in your show already. Breonnas law is the law of the land in louisville, kentucky. Noknock raids and warrants are done. You look at the colorado legislature. In just a week has severely reined in use of force. You look at adidas retweeting nikes in favor of black lives. I never thought id see the day though companies challenge each other and support each other in such a public fashion. There is a growing wave here. As is often the case with national leadership, the people are leading. So what we look in the white house, we actually have on the streets. And credit to the black visions collective, to black lives matter, to organizers all over this country who are reimagining what democracy, what citizenship, what participation, what america could and should look like. Is that what gives you hope going into a weekend after the week weve had . I have a couple of pieces of hope that are coming out of these two weeks of intensity. I think this president s isolation and his vulnerability and his smallness are being exposed to a larger and larger group of people. And so were reckoning with the truth, and hes behind the ball. He cant acknowledge the truth because hes been so invested in lies. And as consensus grows that black lives matter, as we see leaders on the ground, even leaders in corporations step into this moment, hes left behind. So were agreeing that black lives matter, and i think increasing numbers of people are realizing that this president doesnt. Our guest has been Baratunde Thurston who also happens to have given one of the great ted talks of all time. Cant recommend it more highly. Ive watched it multiple times. Thank you. Thank you very much. Means a great deal to have you on with us. It means a lot to be here with you. Brian. Thank you. Coming up for us, american Law Enforcement learning how to be better at Law Enforcement, but first they have to have a passport for overseas travel. Well explain that little hitch when we come back. Pp, pp, your bank can be virtually any place. So, when you get a check. You can deposit it from here. And you can see your transactions and check your balance from here. You can save for an emergency from here. Or pay bills from here. So when someone asks you, wheres your bank . You can tell them heres my bank. Or heres my bank. Or, heres my bank. 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They must Pay Attention in the classroom learning crisis intervention as they do on the firing range. The man behind this shift in emphasis is the sheriff. Its just as Good Police Work to save a life as it is to get involved and stop a bad guy with a gun who is committing a massacre. Its the same thing. Reporter since he took the job in 2017, hes handed out medals for deescalation and a few hugs. And these police callouts have remained consistents, annual arrests have dropped to 9,400. Over the past two years, the frequency with which officers used force has halved to just 65 incidents in 2019. Local activists like the naacps Cynthia Slater say they appreciate the attention paid to the countys Africanamerican Community. Weve created a really Good Partnership although theres lots to work on. I mean but we anytime there is something going on within the community, we get together. Reporter in late 2015 while still police chief of daytona beach, chitwood joined a group of Law Enforcement officers on a factfinding trip to scotland, captured in a sky news documentary. Put it down reporter there they watched how unarmed officers calmed suspects and avoided the use of force at almost any cost. The exercises astonished many, including chitwood. What we have to take away from this as police leaders, we go home, in my opinion, we have to instill in our troops that im going to put policies in place. Were going to train to deescalate. Were going to make sure that youre safe. And by ensuring you that, my officers, report home safely at night, youre going to ensure that the public reports home safely. Reporter Deputy Constable will kerr oversees training here and says scottish cops are guided by a unique mandate. The principal rule in scotland is to improve the safety and wellbeing of people, places, and community as cross scotland and that gave a fundamentally different starting point for the relationship between the Police Service and the public in scotland. Reporter here at this castle, police teach around 800 cadets every single year. But its the techniques they teach here they say could translate all over the world. It was an epiphany to sit there and watch, you know, they arrest people. They have bad people. They just dont have as many gun as we have. But to see their approach and to see how they recruited and to see how they trained with these incidents, they have to use their wits. They have to use their problemsolving abilities. You know, they have to call in the right group of people to defuse the situation. Black lives matter reporter a new approach can no doubt make a difference on americas street. 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You need to do some selfevaluation because whats not to like . He is as good a man as god ever created. He did some of the most incredibly heartfelt things that anybody could ever say to me. Hes the nicest person i think ive ever met in politics. This is a defining moment in the future of the republican party. We have to reject this demagoguery, and if we dont reject donald trump, weve lost the moral authority in my view, the government of this great nation. Lindsey graham to take us off the air at the end of another long week. Thats our broadcast for this friday evening. Thank you so very much for being here with us. Have a safe and good weekend. On behalf of all my colleagues at the networks of nbc news, good night from our temporary field headquarters. Thanks to you at home for joining us this hour as well. Happy to have you with us this friday night. In 2005, the super bowl was played in jacksonville, florida. 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