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Impact on the nations economy as donald trump suggests americans stay close to home, places like austin, texas, brace for hundreds of millions lost in canceled events. Wrapping up a momentous week in president ial politics including brandnew poll numbers pitting the final two democrats and a big shakeup in the oval office as the 11th hour gets under way on this friday night. Good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. Im Steve Kornacki in for brian williams. Day 1,142 of the Trump Administration and 242 days to go now until the president ial election. The number of countries with reported cases of the coronavirus has now risen to at least 90, and there are new reports there are now reports of 100,000 cases worldwide. Today one of the scientists tracking the global spread of the virus noted this Key Development during a briefing for congressional staff. Weve recently passed the point at which case we now have more cases outside china than inside china on a daily basis, which i think is a pretty critical shift in this situation. In the United States there are now more than 300 cases in almost half the states, and at least 15 deaths with the latest death being reported tonight out of florida. There are still not enough coronavirus tests to meet the national demand, adding to the fear that the real extent of the outbreak may not be fully understood in the United States. The Trump Administration has been taking a lot of heat for how it has responded to the spread of the virus, and there have been concerns about the president s messaging when he has spoken in public. Today the president visited the the centers for Disease Control in atlanta after he signed an 8. 3 billion emergency funding bill that had just passed congress. His comments today seemed to imply that there was no shortage of test kits. Anybody right now and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. Theyre there. They have the tests. The tests are beautiful. Anybody that needs a test gets a test. But anybody that needs a test can have a test. Theyre all set. They have them out there. But as of right now and yesterday, anybody that needs a test thats the important thing. But less than an hour after that, Vice President pence who leading the White House Coronavirus task force held his own briefing and acknowledged that the government was still working on making its test kits available to everyone. Two of americas leading commercial laboratories have announced the tests will be available by monday of this week. With the announcement of these major commercial labs, we trust in a matter of weeks, the coronavirus test will be broadly available to the public and available to any american that is symptomatic and has a concern about the possibility of having contracted the coronavirus. During trumps visit to the cdc, he also spoke about the grand princess cruise ship being held off the coast of San Francisco with more than 3,500 people currently onboard. Coronavirus tests were delivered to the ship by helicopter, and this afternoon Vice President pence announced that 21 people, 19 crew members and 2 passengers, have tested positive for the virus. The testing came about after a man who was on a previous voyage tested positive and died from coronavirus. Today trump said he didnt want the administration to take people off the cruise ship because it would double the number of those with coronavirus in the states. I would rather because i like the numbers being where they are. I dont need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasnt our fault. The president then went on to praise his administrations efforts. I think were doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down. Weve really been very vigilant. Weve done a tremendous job at keeping it down. I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that i understand it. Every one of these doctors said, how do you know so much about this . Maybe i have a natural ability. Maybe i should have done that instead of running for president. Even so the coronavirus continues to take its toll with the Financial Markets with another selloff today even amid reports that the economy added more than 270,000 jobs last month. Meanwhile, city officials in austin, texas, have now canceled the south by southwest festival, which was set to start a week from today. As all this unfolds, President Trump has Just Announced another major personnel shift at the white house. He has tapped mark meadows, North Carolina Republican House member, leader of the Freedom Caucus and a tireless trump ally to be his chief of staff. As usual, trump announced his decision on twitter saying, quote, i am pleased to announce that congressman mark meadows will become white house chief of staff. I have long known and worked with mark, and the relationship is a very good one. I want to thank acting chief Mick Mulvaney for having served the administration so well. He will become the United States special envoy for northern ireland. Thank you. Meadows will be trumps fourth chief of staff in three years. Here for our leadoff discussion on a friday night, two veteran journalists with nbc news digital. Traveling with the president in florida, shannon pettypiece, senior white house reporter. And here in new york, jonathan allen, senior political analyst. Also joining us from california, lanhee chen, Research Fellow at the hoover institution. Former policy director for the romney ryan 2012 campaign, and a seni shannon, let me start with you. The president today at the cdc, we played that clip talking for instance about the cruise ship, not wanting the passengers to come into the actual physical United States because then theyd be counted in statistics. What are you hearing from folks in the administration, folks around the president about that visit, about what hes trying to communicate here, and what he actually is communicating here . Well, none of what he communicated is what anyone in the administration has been trying to communicate, and you pointed out the example of that contrast between what the Vice President was saying about the testing kits and what the president is saying about the testing kits. I mean we see this time and time again where you have people in the administration, people in the white house working on a wellcrafted message that is then completely blown up by the president. I mean it started very early in the day today where the white house said, you know, the president wasnt going to be going to the cdc. They didnt say why. And then the president tells reporters it was because there was someone at the cdc that they thought had coronavirus, and it turns out that test was negative. So now hes going to go, but basically contradicting what his own staff had said earlier in the day. And of course i think one of the most striking things he said out of that Mini Press Conference he did with reporters was, as you pointed out, about the number of passengers on the cruise ship. You know, the administration is trying to take the posture that theyre not making decisions for political reasons, for optic reasons. You know, they see that narrative in the media and they push back about it. Then the president acknowledges, basically saying the quiet part out loud, that hes making a decision about what happens with these cruise passengers based on how the numbers look. And then he throws in this caveat about how hell let other people make that decision, but its his clear preference that he does not want these cruise passengers brought back into the u. S. Because what they would do to the statistics. Lanhee, we mentioned you have a background are hhs. I wonder what goes through your mind when you see those two statements we played there from the president on the issue of testing and from the Vice President sending two seemingly contradictory messages. What is the impact of that kind of messaging . Well, i think, you know, at a time when you have the American People on edge, at a time when people want information, obviously information is power in this case. Its really important that the government speak with one voice. It is a whole of government response. It is something that this administration i know has been working hard to coordinate. But the challenge is, you know, when you look at pandemic planning, when you look at the way this has been done before, the emphasis has always been on can government speak with a single voice about what the Current Situation is, what the upcoming situation will be, and what the government is doing to respond . So it does create a challenge, i think, both for the administration but also for the American People in terms of the information theyre hearing and trying to figure out from what sources they should be acquiring that information and the accuracy of that information being called into question. Also comments today from President Trump whabout the governor of washington, jay inslee. Washington one of the states hardest hit right now by the coronavirus. The president went after him. Take a listen to this. I told mike not to be complimentary to the governor because that governor is a snake, okay . Inslee. We have a lot of problems with the governor, and the governor of washington, thats where you have many of your problems, okay . So mike may be happy with him, but im not, okay . Jon allen, im curious what the president weve seen this before. Weve seen in moments like this he went after Sherrod Brown at one point during a crisis last summer. What is he trying to accomplish with a comment like that, calling jay inslee a snake . I think hes trying to distract from his problem, i guess. The enemy right now is coronavirus. It is not jay inslee, and to speak to lanhee chens point a moment ago about the whole of government approach and trying to speak with a single voice, the problem the Trump Administration is having right now to sort of cut to the chase is it cant do that because the president is saying things that are distracting from what would be the whole of government approach to this not only within the Trump Administration at the political level, but at the career official level and at the State Government level working in coordination with the Trump Administration. Jay inslee, the democratic governor of washington, and mike pence, the Vice President of the United States obviously on the same page. And heres the president of the United States attacking the governor of a state over a coronavirus. This is a disaster for the white house from a Public Relations standpoint, but more important than that, steve, youve got a situation where what the president is saying creates a Public Health risk because hes telling the public not to worry about something that it should be worried about. And it sends the message when he attacks a governor like jay inslee that Public Health officials in states and in local governments are at risk of being attacked from the president if they do the things that the administration is asking them to do that are not in concert with what the president s talking points are. Theres also the matter we mentioned this in the introduction if you were watching at the stock market the past two weeks, the market continuing to fall. The president was asked about that today. Heres what he had to say. Well, all we can do is do what we do. Were getting a lot of business from people staying, in other words, which ive always liked anyway. Youve known that for a long time. But people are staying here and spending their money here as opposed to going to europe and other places. So, shannon, the president trying to offer some positive spin on that. I wonder what is taking place behind the scenes in the administration in terms of trying to address i know the president has touted positive Economic News hoping to run on that for reelection. Behind the scenes are there actions being discussed to try to prop up the economy and maybe boost the markets . Yeah. I mean theres a number of things theyve had on the table over the past couple weeks have been discussed. Last last week there was discussion about tax cuts, some sort of tax cut program, maybe like the bush tax cuts where essentially people, you know, get a 2,000 or a 1,000 check in the mail, some sort of stimulus package. We saw, you know, the financial package, the 8 trillion they gave to help combat this, Small Business administration loans. Theres a lot of things discussed here. The economic piece of this, obviously theres a very tragic human toll too, but the economic piece of this is also going to be huge. You know, i dont know if the white house really has their hands around that because they do seem to be putting publicly and even when they talk to reports somewhat privately a very positive spin on this. But they are very well aware that the economy is the president s number one selling point for reelection. The president uses the stock market as an ekg of his presidencys health. And if the legs get kicked out from under the economy and of course were still a ways away from november. But the Economic Impacts of this could be very longlasting if we looked at whats happening in asia or whats happening in u europe, then this is a threat to the presidency. I think people are trying not to panic about it too soon and see where things play out, but this week i think the stock market really drove home they need to be considering this a lot more seriously. Jon, the more recent news now in washington the last couple hours, the president putting it out there on twitter. Mick mulvaney out now as the acting chief of staff and now congressman mark meadows going to become the chief of staff. What do you make of that move . Well, this has been a move long in motion. The rumors of mulvaney being out have been long in waiting, and the rumors of meadows coming in long in waiting. Look, mark meadows is somebody who has been close to the president for a long time. It makes sense on the level that mark meadows is somebody who really gets politics. Were in an Election Year. The president trusts meadows. Hes been somebody who has acted in a way as an adviser, an outside chief of staff to the president. One of the first phone calls makes before he makes decision and one of the last phone calls the president makes before he makes decisions. I think mulvaney was somebody the president had lost confidence in, and i dont think its entirely incidental that this is happening while the coronavirus thing is kicking up and the president is having some p. R. Trouble with that. Meadows has good relationships with reporters. Hes good on television. The president likes that as well. So it makes sense for a lot of reasons for the president. If youre meadows, youre giving up a safe house seat for a job that has been not one with a long shelf life. So well see how that lasts. Lanhee, every time there is one of these moves, the chief of staff, we always have the conversation about, you know, is this going to create some new order . Is this going to rein in some of the is it going to change the sort of publicfacing nature of this presidency . What do you make of meadows, his ability to interact with the president . Do you think this presidency will look different in any way with mark meadows in there as chief of staff . Yeah, i doubt it. I think the reason why the presidency is the way it is right now is because of the president. You know, he likes to be out there speaking on his own behalf. He likes to be out there making his own case. He believes hes his most effective spokesman. You know, the changeover to mark meadows, i do think that jons right. It reflects the political reality of it being an Election Year and meadows being very skilled in that way. But in terms of having some fundamental change on white house operations or a change on how the president conducts himself and how hes out there on the campaign trail or not even on the campaign trail but out there at various events, i doubt it because this has been the way this presidency has operated since day one. So i wouldnt expect a big change just because the person at the top of the white house org chart changes. Thank you all for being with us. Coming up, more on the drastic steps that some cities are now taking to try to contain the coronavirus. And later, with biden on top, were going to ask the Sanders Campaign how it plans to make a comeback in the next primaries. Four days from now, next set of contests. The 11th hour just Getting Started on a friday night. N un. Xeljanz xr, a oncedaily pill for adults with moderate to severe ra for whom methotrexate did not work well enough. Xeljanz xr can reduce pain, swelling and further joint damage, even without methotrexate. Xeljanz can lower your ability to fight infections like tb; dont start xeljanz if you have an infection. Taking a higher than recommended dose of xeljanz for ra can increase risk of death. Serious, sometimes fatal infections, cancers including lymphoma, and blood clots have happened. 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You know, im heartbroken for the businesses in our community that really rely on this event for their income for the year. In a major move, city officials today in austin declared a local disaster and canceled this months popular south by southwest festival. This over coronavirus fears. The decision will no doubt have an Enormous Economic impact on the city and the area. The New York Times reports, quote, last year the various events associated with south by southwest, which also include programs on gaming, comedy, and education, contributed 356 million to the economy of austin according to figures circulated by the festival. Here with us tonight, maya wiley, former assistant u. S. Attorney for the Southern District of no, now with the new school here in new york. And victoria defrancesco soto. Victoria, you are at the scene of what we were just talking about, so let me ask you about it. For folks who arent immediately familiar with south by southwest, ive heard of it for years. Ive never been. Describe what this means to austin, what the event means and what the impact of canceling it will be. Right. So the impact is multidimensional. As we heard mayor adler talk about the numbers, the figures, hundreds of millions of dollars of revenue come in with south by southwest. So theres that piece of it. Theres the cultural component. South by southwest has been a feature of the austin culture for over three decades. It is part of who we are. It is part of our dna here in austin, so my heart aches in knowing that south by southwest is canceled. And then the other piece is understanding that south by southwest has always been this beautiful space of creativity that really is a launching pad for creativity nationally and internationally. So lately weve come to think about south by southwest about the googles and the twitters and the facebooks, but really its about these thousands of filmmakers, musicians, writers who come here and have a space to create. Of late, we also see educators, gamers, all types of creative types come here, and this is their space. That is no longer the case. And i think the other two groups that are really going to be severely affected by the cancellation, Small Business owners and then the service industry. So for ten days, all restaurants, hotels, bars, everything in austin is packed. What this means is a lot of headaches for us austinites, but we take it because we know it is so important to our economy. It is so important to the folks here, and its just steve, i cant express to you how much it hurts but knowing again that this was a move that the mayor had to make. Thats my other question to you. I wonder if this is something cities around the country and really around the world are going to be dealing with in the coming weeks and months, having to make wrenching decisions with real economic consequences just like youre describing. The reaction on the ground, the folks youre talking with there, do they share what you just expressed, the sense of this is terrible for austin, but it is the correct decision . You know, i think in the last couple of days as weve seen the crisis of the lack of testing kits come to the fore, i think that has pushed folks to understand that this was the lesser of two evils. There had been a petition to cancel south by southwest that had been, i dont know, five or six days. But i would say in the last two to three days, we saw that ramp up, and thats when we saw these conversations laws of the lack of leadership that were seeing from the white house. Were seeing the cdc not giving us the answers that we as a nation want. So i think that what we saw in the last 48 hours was the precipitating cause of this and what ultimately is making folks say, this sucks. Were going to lose a ton of money. But better safe than sorry especially because were not seeing the federal reaction, were looking to the state and local level to protect us. Maya, victoria is telling us whats happening in austin, texas. Were sitting here in the largest city of the United States. There have been some reported cases around here. Its in the news here as it is everywhere else. What is your expectation of big cities like new york and what theyre going to be dealing with in the coming weeks . I think were getting a preview from austin. I have to say i go to south by southwest every year wearing my faculty hat. The new school is usually represented well at south by southwest, so i completely agree with victoria. Ive also had the pleasure of knowing mayor adler when i worked with mayor bill de blasio. Austin is a really important city. Look, but this is exactly what were facing, and i think i just want to understore whcore what a said. Mayor de blasio has begged for more tests and thats because as a city, if youre trying to figure out where you need to contain a problem in order to prevent more people from getting sick, its because you can test and see where its happening. Here in new york we learned just this week that we have almost 3,000 people in selfquarantine. 3,000. Those are people who if we could test them might not need to be in quarantine. They might be able to go to school. They might be able to go to work knowing theyre not infecting anyone. So the notion of the test itself, its availability, critically important to every community, rural, urban, everywhere, in order to make sound decisions including to be able to not overreact. But how can you be sure youre protecting your residents if you dont get trustworthy information, if youre not getting consistent information, and if you cant do the testing . And all of it so critical, especially in a city like new york and others like it. The population just so close together, so densely populated. Riding subways. Everybody coming into contact with everybody else, it seems. Well, this is the discussion were having now and it seems like well be having for the near future at least. Our guests are staying with us. We are going to switch gears. Just ahead, whats next in the race for the white house. After one of the most dramatic weeks really ever in president ial Campaign Politics when the 11th hour continues. Uh uh, no way. Come on. No. No. N. Ni ni, no no only discover has no annual fee on any card. You wouldnt accept nfrom any one else. Why accept it from your allergy pills . Flonase relieves your worst symptoms including nasal congestion, which most pills dont. Flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances. Most pills only block one. Flonase. mom vo we got a subaru to give him some ato reconnect and be together. 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That was easy for her, but people dont like her. Shes a very mean person, and people dont like her. People dont want that. They like a person like me thats not mean. The president had more to say about Elizabeth Warren today, one day after the end of her campaign, and now were getting our first snapshot of the race without her in the running. A new Morning Consult National Poll that was conducted after warren suspended her campaign yesterday gives joe biden a 16point lead over bernie sande sanders, 54 38 . Still with us maya wiley and victoria defrancesco soto. Ill start with you, maya. Were getting a sense from that poll that the warren supporters, there were all these theories that these were just going to be sanders voters if she ever left the race. You look at that poll, sanders needs more than an even split with warren supporters to get back in this thing with biden. There any chance he could convince Elizabeth Warren to back his candidacy and try to help his numbers there . Well, you know i cant predict what Elizabeth Warren will do. I will say that as we know, she didnt do that in 2016. She waited until the general election, and then she backed the nominee, which was hillary clinton. So we dont know. What i will say is he is the person with whom she has the closer alignment on policy, and so we could expect to hear her say favorable things about him on policy. On the other hand, i think she will if shes not going to make an endorsement, shell be very careful not to to spread her praise equally. And i think the reality of this campaign and of this primary has always been that the voters werent splitting along pathways that seemed to suggest, oh, well, if you like this particular person, that means if that persons out, youll like this other person. Those lanes never really existed in this primary, and they dont exist now. So im not sure even if she endorsed, youd necessarily see a very different split in voters. Right. Of course theres the Gold Standard for endorsements for all time will now be the jim clyburn endorsement, but not every endorsement is that. Look how he endorsed. There are two aspects to that that are important to remember. One is he is deeply beloved in South Carolina in a way that because he has such deep and longstanding history there, as does his family, its a local state for lack of another way of saying it. But the other is the way he did it. I mean the man was almost in tears. Right. It was heartfelt in a way that went beyond politics, and that level of emotionality, which was truly authentic, is something that just an endorsement doesnt necessarily get you. That was something truly different. It came with a little more feeling. I think thats fair to say. Victoria, it seems to me looking ahead at some of these states coming up on tuesday, were going to have a closer look coming up on the board. Theres a bigger question looming over all of these because we could look at these states and say sanders could be well positioned here, might have an opportunity there. I think the bigger question is what is the mood of the democratic primary electorate right now . Do they want to keep this fight going . Do they think it is worth while to have this fight going . Do they see such a clear divide there that it needs to be hashed out for months and weeks longer in primaries, or is there a primary after joe biden having that big super tuesday and taking the lead, is this a party eager to get this over with, yao nigh unite, and get on to the general election with trump. So you need two out of the three of momentum, message and money to win in politics. We saw that joe biden came in with an extraordinary amount of momentum, not a lot of money and not a whole lot of message. So he broke that rule. But over the last couple of days, hes been able to build on the momentum piece, bring in money from folks getting excited about his campaign. The question for me is, is he going to come forward with the message . What you just said, steve, lets just unite. Lets yew figunite and go forwa against trump. So i think if in the next couple of days he can hammer home that message, whether its unite, whether thats something else, then i think biden is potentially unstoppable. However, after 2016, i promised myself to never say never. So, you know, Bernie Sanders is still not out of the race. Michigan, i know for him right now is his firewall. But if i were a betting woman, which im not, i do think that the momentum and the money right now are on bidens side. And then looking a little bit more ahead, steve, to the states that come on the 17th, i want to highlight florida because florida is blowing me away. Whether you look at those polling numbers where biden is ahead of sanders by 30 , 40 , mainly because of the cuba, the castro, the democratic socialist issue, thats where you see the weight of those comments, of that vision, which played relatively well in california and other states. In florida, it crushes you. So i think that, you know, were going to see what happens on tuesday, but potentially the real nail in the coffin is on the 17th when those groups of states vote. I swear we did not coordinate this ahead of time, but you have just set up our next segment beautfullifull beautifully. Thank you for joining us tonight. Victoria did just set that up because when we come back, we are going to take a look from the big board at the delegate race for the rest of march. And when you look at the delegate race, you will really get a sense of the challenge that Bernie Sanders is facing right now. 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And i want to show you now why that is a problem for Bernie Sanders, why theres a particular challenge he has because we are in a delegate race right now, biden versus sanders. This is about who can end up with the most delegates here. You see sanders, hes trailing by fewer than 70 right now. You look at that and say, thats very close. Sanders has got a shot here. Hes got a shot but lets be clear about the challenge that sanders faces. First of all, what youre seeing here, they are still actually counting up delegates from super tuesday. They have to go through the congressional districts, close to the 15 threshold for some of these candidates, so there are more delegates that are going to be allocated from super tuesday. The first thing i want to show you is what we think roughly and i want to be clear these are rough estimates here roughly what the delegates will look like after every one is allocate the from super tuesday. That should be this. Here we go. It should be about a 70delegate advantage for joe biden. Okay. Now we go to next tuesday. Lets get those states up on the screen. In yellow, there are six states that are up next tuesday. Lets take a close look at those states. Lets start on the west coast, washington. This is the state the Sanders Campaign in theory is most excited about. He won by more than 40 points here in 2016. But washington was a caucus state in 2016. It switched to a primary in 2020. Weve seen sanders doing far worse in primaries than caucuses. Washington, in fact, had a nonbinding primary in 2016 in addition to those caucuses. Sanders didnt even win the primary. He only won the caucuses. The delegates then came through the caucus. This time they come through the primary. So lets say but lets say sanders wins washington. Theres a poll out today that has biden up by a point. Lets say that Bernie Sanders gets a narrow win in washington. Lets also say he gets a win in idaho, another state he won the caucuses huge in in 2016, has switched to a primary. But were trying to give you a scenario here where sanders wins where he can win just to show you what the delegate math would look like. Not a prediction here. Lets say sanders gets idaho as well. North dakota, they were a caucus state. Theyre basically a primary state this time. Again, lets give sanders a win there to try to show you the math. Lets look at missouri. This state was 5050 Clinton Sanders in 2016. Were going to say its razor thin again. Lets look at michigan. Sanders got that win in michigan last time around. Hes pulling out all the stops to try to get it again. Lets say sanders gets a narrow win in michigan again. Were giving him wins in all five of these states. Then you get to mississippi, and mississippi is a state where it looks like sanders is going to get blown out. Hes going to get blown out because his support with black voters is so small, especially in the deep south. Next door in alabama last week, sanders lost 6316. In mississippi in 2016, sanders lost 8316. Very likely youre going to have Something Like that happen again. So were saying sanders competing very well in these states, winning these states, getting blown out in mississippi. Now, look what this does to the delegate math. It takes biden from up 70 and on the strength of that huge win in mississippi, this is what happens. Biden stays ahead. Look at that hes now up 82. Bidens lead increased. Thats the reality of delegate math in a oneonone race. If youre losing states narrowly, youre not losing a ton on delegates. If youre winning states big, youre gaining big on delegates. Now take a look here. Lets advance it. Let me get this off. This is the 17th. Victoria was talking about this. The polls have been brutal for sanders in florida, brutal. Lets say he and he lost it by 30plus points in 16. Lets say it happens again. His Campaign Says theyve attracted new hispanic support. Lets say he wins arizona by 10. Lets say illinois was a close state in 16. Lets say its a onepoint race. Ohio is a state sanders lost by 13 in 16. Well say he loses it by 10. Hes winning arizona by 10, losing ohio by 10. Illinois is basically dead even, but florida, it looks brutal for sanders. This is what happens to the delegate math. Now bidens up 173. You see what happens . And then one more here. This is the 17th of march. You go a week later. Georgia comes up. Georgia, everything were talking about in mississippi, pl alabama, South Carolina, same problem for sanders. He got buried there in 2016. If he gets buried again, there it is. Hes more than 200 delegates behind. In a oneonone race, very hard to overcome 200. So thats the problem for sanders. Its the states where biden can blow him out. 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Id say two things, obviously, sanders is the underdog, but this race has gone back and forth so many times. At one point, Pete Buttigieg was up. It would be way premature to say that this race may not change. It may change in the next debate. The Vice President is now the recent front runner for about a week. We should make sure that hes tested, that we actually debate the ideas before sending someone in to battle against donald trump. There should be a robust debate, scrutiny about both candidates record, and i think that will actually strengthen whoever the nominee is. Do you think joe biden would beat donald trump . I do. I think either of them would. I believe senator sanders would have a better chance, because he will do well in wisconsin. He will do well with voters we need in michigan and pennsylvania, particularly those voters, working class voters who went to donald trump. But of course i think joe biden can boeat donald trump, and i would do everything in my power to help whoever the nominee is. Its interesting, youre arguing in those critical states, weve talked about since 2016, weve got a primary in michigan next week. If Bernie Sanders cant beat joe biden in michigan, given what you just said about sanders being a better candidate for michigan, does that sort of erode the rationale for his candidacy . I dont think so. We have to do very well in michigan. The primary electorate is different than the general electorate. My view is that Bernie Sanders can win back a lot of the donald trump voters. And when put together a coalition that can went that state in a general election, but theres no doubt that we have to do very well in michigan, whether thats a win or coming very close and splitting the delegates. We need a strong showing there. One of the factors in this 16point biden lead in the national Morning Consult poll, the Elizabeth Warren voters not breaking either way here. Plenty going to biden, to sanders as well. Given the ideological Common Ground between warren and sanders, medicare for all, does that surprise you and how would you explain that . Well, i think we have the okay kbag obligation, the burden of making that case. Right now, probably many of those voters were very passionate about Elizabeth Warren. Theyre just now taking a look at the other candidates. Joe biden and Bernie Sanders are wellknown. We need to make the case that when it comes to medicare for all, universal child care, a wealth tax, all of the things that senator warren was running on that it is actually senator sanders advancing that agenda and this should not be about personality, but whether you believe in a progressive future for the Democratic Party or not. Thats our case that we have to make. 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On assignment outbreak, sunday night, 10 00 p. M. Eastern only here on msnbc. A reminder, clocks spring forward in much of the country early sunday morning. This is the bad daylight savings time. That is our broadcast tonight. Brian will be back on monday. Thank you for being with us and goodnight from nbc headquarters in new york. Om nbc headquarters in new york. Rachels off tonight. She will be back on monday. What a week it has been been. The this has been one of the wildest weeks in american politics in recent policy. The president announced via tweet hes ousting his chief of staff Mick Mulvaney and replacing him with the far right congressman mark meadows whos a staunch trump ally. Well have more on that as well in a moment. Lets start tonight with the latest on the coronavirus outbreak which continued to spread around the country and the world today. There have been 15 deaths in the United States from coronavirus