It all unfolded. Here is a little bit. The situation started about 3 17 this afternoon, when a dps trooper attempted to stop a honda. When the dps trooper got the car stopped, he was then shot by the occupant of the car. The vehicle continued westbound into the city of odessa, and he shot an individual at i20 and east loop. Apparently the subject then drove on our east loop to 42nd street where there were multiple scenes and multiple victims. As far as civilian casualties, we have at least 21 victims, 21 shooting victims, and at least five deceased at this point. The Odessa Police chief also said that at least three Law Enforcement officers were among those shot. Police described a chaotic afternoon which started with the suspect opening fire at a traffic stop. That continued with the hijacking of the u. S. Postal service vehicle. And that included the suspect firing at random in the area of odessa and midland, hitting multiple people. And just minutes ago, this emotional update from the hospital. So, first of all, let me start with this. Anybody that hears the sound of my voice, you need to grasp on to your loved ones and hold on to them and you need to pray for this town and all the towns and the families and the victims involved. You need to hold on to them because this is a scary incident and nobody is guaranteed tomorrow. If you are here, you can hear my voice, please take a minute to stop and give your thoughts and your prayers to all the families and the victims of this tragic incident. Lets bring in nbc News Reporter andrew blankstein. Andrew, whats the latest on the information we heard, just a portion of that news briefing from one or two hours ago, one question is, what type of firearm was used. At this point theres no specific on the weapon or weapons that were used. We know that the suspect is a white male in his 30s. He hasnt been identified. As far as a possible motive, that will come from examination of the crime scene as well as backgrounding the suspect. Now, one of the things Law Enforcement officers need to do is, first establish a timeline and movement for the suspect during the day, and process these multiple crime scenes, which is no easy feat, given how spread out they were. Theyre going to be looking for physical evidence, ballistics, gunshot residue, casings. Also tracking down victims in the hospitals for interviews. And then obviously theres the electronic footprint of this suspect and trying to look into what could have motivated him. N in the next number of hours we may see warrant service and a number of actions by Law Enforcement to, again, try to get some kind of idea. And as weve seen before, sometimes thats a very difficult task, but to get an idea what might have motivated the suspect, what was the potential breaking point and who is this. You and i have talked about this kind of over and over again this summer. And unfortunately, even though these investigations take time, Law Enforcement has become very, very good at kind of getting the set piece and dividing this up, sharing information and getting an idea of whats happening fairly quickly. One of the questions related to this, andrew, unfortunately, is what happened during this traffic stop. It started at 3 17 p. M. Local time according to the chief of police. After the traffic stop, then the shooting of that particular state trooper. After that, more shots fired. Another vehicle taken, driving for large distances compared to what might be other shooting situations. What was known about this particular suspect . Was the suspect known before being pulled over or in the process of being pulled over, or was this a random, everyday traffic stop . Its a big question. We dont know, if the trooper had a chance to run the license plate of the vehicle, if that license plate came back to the individual that was pulled over, or it was somebody elses car, or it was a stolen vehicle. Thats one of the things that obviously theyre going to be looking at straight away. But then, you know, as Law Enforcement says, one of the most dangerous tasks that they have is what we like to call a routine stop. Youre in a vulnerable position. And we saw this, actually a couple of weeks ago in california where there was a california Highway Patrol officer who pulled over an individual, and there was, you know, a more than tenminute shootout, where that officer was killed and two other chp officers were wounded. And police, you know, are constantly reminding people how vulnerable they are in those positions. And we see it again today. And then, you know, flowing from that, these cascading effects where theres multiple gun battles. The task is going to be very difficult here. Its hard enough to process an individual crime scene or a couple in an area. But this is spread out over a long distance. Theyre going to need all the resources they can muster. You have the fbi, atf on scene, and others. When i get more information, ill get it to you as soon as i can. Andrew blankstein, from nbc investigations, thank you for your time. Joining us, Msnbc National Security analyst frank figliuzzi. Frank, first of all, thank you for being with us for this breaking News Coverage for whats now almost 2 1 2 hours together. As we followed this story from the very beginning, where would you say were at in the story now . The investigation is just beginning. But as has been said, Law Enforcement particularly in this area has become adept at this. These are the very same fbi agents, atf agents, texas rangers, that just did this in the el paso shooting. Its the same district, the same officers. So they know the drill. Whats going to happen next . Search warrants will be executed at the shooters residence, any Storage Facility he has, any office space he has. Interviews will take place for loved ones, relatives, coworkers. They will put together a profile of this person. And of course immediately upon identification, they started running his name through databases, state, local, federal. Have we ever encountered this person before. Is there a file on him. Has he been in chat rooms and blogs that weve been watching or missing. Have sources ever record on him. And of course the big question, why was he pulled over at all . Was it just a speeding infraction, a taillight out . Or did someone report him as dangerous and was that why the stop was initiated . But while were wait to go learn motivation, which will likely come through his Computer Forensics, any online presentation that he has, talking to friends, relatives, et cetera, while were waiting to learn all of that, i want to just Say Something about what we can all do to help mitigate the risk of the next one. People are feeling increasingly helpless, richard. I want people to understand something. You can stop these if you know someone who appears headed on this journey to violence. People dont just snap. There are warning signs and indicators that unfortunately, because america has become a combat theater, we need to understand. And they include things, obviously like people increasingly talking about hurting themselves or others. Violence as a solution. Practicing more and more with weapons. Recent acquisition of weapons while talking about hurting others. Language of despondency and helplessness, i cant take it anymore, ive done everything i can, theres nothing more i can do. If you know someone thats doing that, increasingly isolating himself, talking about an enemy hes obsessing about, whether its the government, a political party, an ethnic or racial group, you have to pick up the phone and you need to call Law Enforcement and let them know. Its on us now. Its the federal government is not acting on this. And weve got to take steps to stop the next tragedy. Frank, stand by, and thank you so much for that. We are looking at some live pictures from a moment ago outside the possible. It appeared to have one or two individuals that were despondent. Here is a live picture from outside the hospital, this is where a hospital official within the last hour came forward in a very emotional way, said, think of, pray for these injured, these victims that are in the hospital behind us. He was saying there are 14 of concern. You can see here six people potentially of one of the victims families, clearly desponde despondent. Hospital officials saying that on location, there was a space for families, that there also was a space where there was grief counselors, counselors there, social workers to help these families get through a very tough saturday evening, now 7 11 p. M. There in odessa, texas. And the despondency and the sadness clearly part of not only the family members but for those who are from texas, and americans across the country and around the world, as they see another day with an another mass shooting. I want to go to tiffany peratta, who says she witnessed the shootings in odessa, texas earlier. Tiffany, thank you for calling in. Where were you during the time of this shooting . We were traveling on i20. We were just leaving out of midland when all this happened. We were driving. We had seen the state trooper chasing that car, and we saw that he kind of just got into the median. And i was like, well, maybe i told my husband, its a chase or something. He said, i dont think so because theres not so much cops around here or whatever. We continue to drive and see the car pull over to the side. My husband gets on the left side. And he gets out and starts shooting at us. My husband saw him start shooting at us and we got onto the median. My husband was trying to control our suburban because we had our kids in there, we were just braking out and everything. I guess he thought we stopped the car, because i mean, we were just freaking out, we were making sure our kids were not hit or nothing. We saw him get back in his car. So my husband got back on the interstate and we started i mean, we passed him or whatever. We were trying to like warn people that there was a shooter, you know, in back of us, whatever. I think everybody was just kind of like, what are they doing, they thought we were crazy because we were honking and putting our windows down and telling them. Everybody was just kind of minding their business. We saw him coming closer, i was looking back in the mirror, i could see him loading up a gun, it looked like a long gun that i saw. And i told my husband, hes coming closer, we need to get off the interstate. So my husband got back on the right side of the median and we got off. We turned back on the service road coming back to midland. And he shot at us again when he passed us. And thankfully he didnt hit us or anything, so i mean, we went back and had some ladies waving us down. We sopptopped there with them. One of the men, he had shot him. We tried to help him and got the cops there. Thats the only thing we saw. Tiffany, are you and your husband and your children okay . Yes, sir, we are. How many children do you have . I have four. Where they all in the car . Yes. How do you feel now . This is one of those situations that and youve heard it said before, right, tiffany, out of a movie or on the news. And now here you and your family and your four kids are in the middle of this. Yes, i was like he just i mean, it seemed like i dont know if i dont know if he shot we saw the cop chasing him or whatever, we were like, we dont know if we shot the cop through his window because it was broken. He thought we had saw him doing it because the cops went into the median. I dont know if he thought we saw the shooting and thats why he started shooting at us, i dont know. But i just feel like god was with us and i dont know, it was a terrible experience. Were so glad youre okay, and youre kids as well, tiffany. How old are your children . My oldest is 9. My second is 8. 5 and 2. 9, 8, 5, and 2. Why do you think you decide as a family to go after this individual . Let me be more specific. Why you decided to try to warn other people, knowing that it was very dangerous for yourselves. We saw him getting back in the car. We were stopped, like we stopped i dont know if he like i said, i dont know if he thought that he had shot somebody in the car, because he shot at the car like six times. We saw him getting back in the car. My husband was like, i need to get my kids safe. He was just asking everybody, are you all okay, making sure our family was safe heavy got back back in the car, we were trying to warn everybody, because thats something that i mean, we know its been going around, and its scary for everybody. And you wanted to save and warn other people, knowing that you could be shot at again, because you were already shot at. Yes. We were i mean, my husband was going faster than we were supposed to but we were trying to warn people, get out of the way, trying to tell everybody, theres somebody coming after s us. We turned back around and he had already shot people. How fast were you going during that time . I think my husband was going, to be honest with you, 110. 110, to go after others. The car was an older car. So like i felt like it was i mean, as we were driving, i mean, he was because i seen him in the mirror, i mean, there was a truck that wouldnt move out of the way, they were honking, they didnt know what was going on. I could see him getting his given ready or whatever. It was like, we were freaked out, we needed to get off somewhere and get our family safe. My husband was saying, lets warn these people. We got off the median and turned back around. How close did you when he was behind you, you were saying that you were able to see him reload a firearm. How close were you at that time, would you say . He was like he was like maybe, i would say like three cars away. Three cars away. And you said it was dark colored in nature, is that what you were saying . Yes, sir. And again, i understand you were driving at high speed, youre three car lengths away at least, and youre looking back. Yes, sir. Whats the size of it, would you say . I dont know. I was just looking through the mirror. I thought it was pretty long, i thought he was loading it, it looked like thats what he was doing. I asked my husband, he said, i saw him shooting at us whenever we were going to pass us. Thats when my husband got on the median. I dont think my husband saw what type of gun it was or whatever. Whenever i looked in the back, i could see him loading a long black gun. It was long, though. Was he in the car by himself . Yes, sir. Did he appear that he had two hands as he was trying to load this gun . Were you able to see that . Was he doing it onehanded, if you will, one hand on the wheel . It looked like he was using both his hands, to be honest with you. But i cant i mean, i was freaking out and everything. I understand. I was saying, i hope he cant get closer to us. I was just thinking about my kids too. When we turned back around, he had already shot somebody, they were trying to wave us down, they waved us down, we stopped and helped them out. Did he have the windows down . Did he have the gun outside the window . No. When he shot at us, i didnt ask them, because we were just trying to he had shot somebody, we were trying to help him out. I mean, i gave him a shirt out my car, because they just had a sweater or whatever. I was trying to help him put some pressure there with another piece of shirt. And where was his injury, tiffany . I dont know how he did that, to be honest with you. I saw his long window in the back, it was like shot out. I dont know if thats how he shot the cop that was chasing him or what. The injury that you saw, was it in the body, on the arms . It was on his lower abdomen. When you drove past the suspect, the windows were not open, is what you were saying . Or you couldnt see . To be honest with you, i just saw his back window. We were just trying to not get hit. Of course. Were you able to hear any gunshots as you were driving . Whenever he was hitting us, my husband heard it. I was freaking out, i didnt know what was going on, he was yelling. Hes the one who heard and saw him shooting at us. Thats the reason we got off on the median. I didnt hear no gunshots or nothing, i couldnt hear nothing. We were just going so fast, freaking out. My husband kept asking our kids, are you sure youre okay. Then we saw those people waving us down so we stopped. Thats when we saw he had hit them. I want to say he was wearing a mask that wouldnt show his face. When he shot at us, we thought he was like in his he was a white male with he was like maybe in his late 30s. He had like brown not brown, it was blond, like dirty blond hair, like a lot of hair in the back. When you were being shot at, says your husband, were you moving at that time and so was his car . No. He got off his car and started shooting at us. And you were moving as he was shooting at you . Yes. My husband, he started getting on the median, 65, the car started, like he was going out of control and he almost hit one of the things that they have, like so other cars wont come over or whatever, he almost hit that, and he stopped, because he was acting like, are you okay, are you okay, and that guy continued to shoot at us, he shot like six times. He shot like twice when we were getting off the median, then shot four more times. Then he got back in his car, because he stopped the car. We were just freaking out. Tiffany, i cant thank you enough for taking the time. And i know its been one horrific, as the chief of police of odessa said, a horrific day in odessa, and certainly for you and your husband and your four children, 9, 8, 5, and 2, as i think you said. Im so glad the six of you are okay. And i appreciate you taking the time. And i know its been a very difficult time for you to describe what was incidents that nobody wants to ever be involved in. Tiffany parada, a witness there of the incident today that happened in odessa. Thank you, tiffany, and my best to your family. Thank you so much. You betcha. Frank figliuzzi is still with us. Frank, we were trying to get as much information as much as possible from tiffany, but understanding she is an eyewitness who went through a horrific afternoon. We cant confirm all the details she gave us, but from what she told us, what were you able to take away in terms of what happened today in odessa . First, there was a powerful interview, richard, from someone whos just been a very traumatic experience. And were grateful that her family is still alive and well. She shares a lot of interesting information. And there is at least one significant data point, which is that she described the weapon as long. She said that two or three times. As he mentioned th she mentioned that she saw the shooter reloading that long gun. She confirmed what weve been speculating that this many rounds, this many people injured over this period of time, involving moving vehicles, this had to involve a rifle, and largely a semiautomatic or automatic rifle, and had to involve many, many shots, because to accurately hit that many people, youre firing two or three times the number of shots, and she saw him reloading. That will contribute to the national discussion. Its yet another data point on automatic or semiautomatic rifles, assault weapons. And also perhaps a discussion about ammunition. When we hear people are purchasing hundreds of rounds of ammunition, and its not because, you know, they and their friends are going to the shooting range for the weekend, but rather because they intend to do something. This contributes, the data points here, what you heard in your interview, what other witnesses will say, will be combined with all the other recent shootings and should become part of the legislative proposals on capitol hill. What do we do about assault weapons, what do we do about large magazines, what do we do about large purchases of ammo. And most importantly, how do we keep guns and ammo out of the hands of unstable people who should never possess them. One of the details, frank, also was what she described as him reloading, right, as he was moving. Is this possible, with a longer gun as she was describing, with one hand . Oh, absolutely. What would be required to reload, as she described, a long firearm . Were talking about a long gun, about the ability to release the magazine with a click of your thumb. You press the mag release, the mag drops to the crowd. You take your next mag out, you insert it into the base of that weapon. Thats one of the features of course of a semiautomatic really, is the speed with which you can deliver rounds downrange. The question, of course, why do we need those weapons on the street. And more importantly, how do we govern the control of these weapons for people who really give us reason to think that they are mentally unstable. This is nobrainer activity here, proposals, richard. If someone has been adjudicated mentally ill, theyve been institutionalized against their will, the local police have been to their house dozens of times as was the case with the parkland, florida shooter, there needs to be this red flag concept in place. We dont know the details here. We dont know why the trooper pulled this individual over. But theres going to be an historical profile developed rapidly on him and it needs to contribute to legislative proposals. Frank, stand by, and thank you as all for your analysis. Frank figliuzzi there, again, following the breaking news story coming out of west texas, odessa, texas. We just had a discussion with tiffany parada, a witness, she says, of the entire incident. She was fired at, she was there assisting with one of the injured, and thankfully she and her husband and her four Young Children were not injured despite them trying to warn others in and around that area of odessa, texas on the ih20 freeway. More on that coming out of west texas in just a minute. And in a bit also, another breaking story that were following here on msnbc, thats hurricane dorian, at the top of the hour, so far no change to the path here, still a category 4 storm, but theres more to it. Well talk to bill karins. I have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. Now, theres skyrizi. 3 out of 4 people achieved. 90 clearer skin at 4 months. After just 2 doses. Skyrizi may increase your risk of infections. And lower your ability to fight them. 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Lets go straight to White House CorrespondentKelly Odonnell with the very latest in terms of reaction from the white house. Hey, kelly. Reporter good to be with you again, richard. Of course the white house is monitoring the situation, President Trump is at camp david and he has been in touch with the attorney general. He says the fbi is involved. And hes been monitoring developments. We also heard from the Vice President , ill get to that in a moment. One of the things were seeing here is that the time elapsed between an event like this and some of the political fallout is really compressing. Here were just within hours of this happening, were already having some of the political voices coming out. Speaker pelosi tonight tweeting that its time for vote on gun reform. So weve got a number of democrats speaking out about taking action. Weve heard the president say, after el paso and dayton in recent weeks, that he wanted his administration to take some action on this. There were questions about would he follow through. The Vice President tonight, leaving joint base andrews to go to europe in place of the president , because the president s remaining in the United States because of the impending hurricane, the president and Vice President spoke by phone. Here is part of what the Vice President told reporters as he was about to depart. And he signaled this willingness to try to take some legislative action to address gun violence. Of course a lot of questions about what will happen, will it get done, will it have any meaningful effect. But here is what mike pence told reporters earlier this evening. I just spoke to the president a few moments ago. Hes been in touch with the attorney general. And, uh, we deployed the full resources of the federal government and Law Enforcement to support the investigation in odessa. But, uh, our hearts break for the families who have loved ones, who have been injured, those who have loved ones who have lost their lives in the wake of this latest mass shooting. And the president and i and our administration remain absolutely determined to work with leaders in both parties in the congress to take such steps that we can address and confront, uh, this scourge of mass atrocity in our country. Reporter and so that is the kind of development we wouldnt necessarily have heard this immediately after such a tragedy. Typically we have not even had victims identified yet. And thats what i mean by this compressed timeline. And it may be because of just the overwhelming fatigue the country has about gun violence, and the sense of frustration and he helplessness and the political fallout from this. We have democrats saying tonight, dont say thoughts and prayers, hearts go out, take action. And then you have the more conventional responses of the federal government providing resources and monitoring the situation and those kinds of things. So the tempo seems to have changed in light of these events tonight as were hearing from lawmakers, the white house, the administration, and so forth. And of course the people who are living this nightmare on the ground in texas are dealing with all of the much more personal and emotional aspects. But in washington, the political ramifications will certainly be felt, richard. Great context as always, kelly, Kelly Odonnell, our White House Correspondent with the latest from the white house and the context and the current speed and tempo, as she was describing, and how thats changed. So appreciate it, thank you, kelly. Over the phone, a texas state senator, thank you for being with us, senator. As i was saying earlier to another texan, julian castro, this is a horrific day for texans. It was a pleasant, quiet summer day in west texas, to be broken up by such tragic circumstances is just horrible. Senator, what do you know in terms of situations, youve spoken to officials there in odessa and midland. Just up until this point, everything has been so fluid, because the perpetrator, unlike a lot of situations, was on the move. And i dont know that theyve determined definitively that it was one shooter or two shooters. Theyre still doing some basic investigating work down there. So were not being told anything conclusive. Dps is trying to keep us up with what they know, but what they definitely know right now is not a lot. Senator, were watching pictures as we are right now of distraught family and friends in front of a hospital. We expect to get an update, potentially within this hour, by the way, from hospital officials. What do you know of the condition of any of the injured, and what have you heard from other fellow texans . Because as you were just describing, el paso, and now here in odessa, midland, its starting to become a situation where the degrees of separation unfortunately from a shooting, a mass shooting, in america, and in a great state like texas, is getting all too close. Its getting all too close. Its getting all too frequent. And at some point, we have to ask ourselves, after el paso, now odessa, all really great communities, and great communities to live. Yes. At some point we cant be casual about it in the same way as a regularly occurring circumstances. We cant consider that. At the same time, one cant help thinking, were next. What would be the solution, sir . Youre a legislator. The governor of the state of texas has impanelled a security commission, i dont know the official name of it, to look at the issues and hopefully distill the questions down to things like what can we do as a matter of policy and statute to see that Something Like this does not happen again or the likelihood is reduced. And there needs to be a very broad discourse about it, because it also includes discussion of the Second Amendment and all the other things that go into policy decisions. State senator kel seligar, proud texan, i know its a rough day for you, i appreciate you stopping by and giving us details and perspective that youre privy too. Thank you, sir. Well take a short break. More on the shooting, five deaths, 21 injured. We expect an update from the hospital on how the injured are doing. Many thoughts certainly are going towards those who are injured as the administrator, as the spokesperson, had asked for at the hospital. More on that after this. 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And then as we go throughout monday and tuesday and wednesday, we take it a little further north. It will stall out on monday and tuesday. By wednesday, it will start to inch itself up the coastline and come closer to the carolinas and possibly even georgia too. The Hurricane Hunters continue to crisscross. We have two aircraft, brave, brave people, flying in and out of the center of this thing, the heart of it. The winds are Strong Enough for category 5, theyre reporting. The Hurricane Center will take a look at it. It wouldnt surprise me at all, odds will favor this will go up to a category 5 any time between now and 11 00 p. M. East coast time. The latest was 150, so it only has to go up a tick or two to get to category 5 levels. The forecast path, 12, 24 hours ago, it shifted offshore considerably. Some of the latest guidance has actually been shifting ever so slowly back to the coast. Not for landfall, but not this distance and this gap offshore. So, you know, one of the big keys in the forecast will be, as we go throughout this period tomorrow and then into monday, this right here is great abaco. This is grand bahama island. If this storm gets past freeport, right now its not supposed to, but that will be one of the keys, how far west it gets. The closer it gets to areas of florida, the stronger the possibility for strong winds. Theres about 70,000 people that live here, between these two northern most islands. All of those people will ride this out. Where do they evacuate to, unless they can investigate to nassau . I was mentioning the shift bill, we have to run straight to odessa, thank you so much, bill karins. The other breaking news story, the mass shooting in odessa, texas, and the mass shooting. Here is the hospital. First and foremost, to start this healing process, it starts within and that this Community Needs to love each other and pray for each other and pray for the victims and their families, thats whats important, to remember those people and grab on to your loved ones. I want to update you on whats happening in the Medical Center, what we have going. Ive got some updated numbers. Ill try to go through those quickly. But accurately. A minute ago, earlier when i came out, i reported 14 here. That number is 13. One of the people we had was caught in the action, was not related to this incident, so the number is 13, okay . So i want to correct that, that the number is 13. Out of those 13, we have had two that have been treated and released. We have seven that are critical. When i say critical, most of those have been in surgery and are out of surgery, seven of those, okay . Those are critical. Two serious. One deceased. And we have one transferred, pediatric patient under the age of 2 years old that was transferred out of here, okay . So ill go over those one more time. Seven critical, two serious, one deceased, one transferred under the age of 2 years old, okay . Weve had eight people total in surgery. And most of those are out and have gone very well. Let me just talk about our blood supply. Were getting a lot of calls about blood supply. Our blood supply currently is good. Were okay right now. We appreciate all the calls and the outpouring has been nationwide. Were getting calls all over the nation about whats going on. First and foremost we want to say thank you for that, because that really shows the support that we have for each other. Our supplies are good. The blood is good. Let me just comment briefly on the families. I know there is a Family Gathering center thats been set up here in odessa. And ive got ill get that in just a second. But ill give that out. There is a Family Center that has been set up for people to gather if they have any questions, okay . Yall may know that already. I just want to bring that out. But were still on lockdown. I still think for the safety of our patients and victims and the victims families, we need to stay on lockdown just to keep it under control. We hope to have that lifted before too long. Right now i think its in the best interests to keep it locked down where it is, okay . Our staff has been amazing. But thats not the point here. The point right now is that these victims are being taken care of. And so were just trying to do right by them, okay . Let me introduce just a few people that will take just a few questions, okay . This is matt, hes our chief operations officer, matt is here. This is one of our trauma doctors. Im going to turn it over to the doctor just for second to talk about gunshot victims and what things like that are. Ill let him speak to it in just a minute. Well come back to me, then to matt for any followup questions, okay . Ill hand it over to dr. Bose for just a second. So first of all, our thoughts are with the families. And when a situation like this happens, its actions that come together from preparation years in advance. So over the last several years, weve formed committees where weve coordinated the many elements that will be necessary here. Police, sheriff, school departments, odessa fire and rescue, where im the medical director, the emergency room, and other parties that are involved. Here, when everyone arrived, it was wellorchestrated. We received 13 patients. And because of this preparation, you know, we were able to call in our backups, anesthesiologists, operating staff, techs, nurses. This was a Great Team Effort for everybody when the patients arrived. After they arrived we were able to do the initial stabilizing maneuvers on everyone. The emphasis i would give here, and i think a takehome point especially for the national viewers, is i encourage everyone in every community, no matter what size, if youre in the middle of the desert, youre in an urban area, to prepare in advance. Unfortunately it may not be a matter of if, it may be a matter of when. And for us, this preparation really helped us today. Our thoughts are with the families. Another thing i would mention is, whenever there is something on the National Scale like this, it starts as a local response. It starts right there at the community. It starts with knowing how to stop bleeding. It starts with how to do vls and chest compression. This is something that we as americans can do, and were encouraging this in the midland odessa community. We encourage this Medical Center hospital. You guys out there wherever you are watching nationwide you can make a huge difference for people. Because when they arrive here the response can stay local. Because if you practice this you dont need to call in the state. You dont need to call the governor. You dont need to activate fema and national you know resources. So we can do this. We can come together and i think our community here has shown how we can do that and i think our families are going to come together and were going to become stronger it from this thank you. Thank you. Turn it over to matt. Matt. We just heard there from dr. Bowes in the trauma center. Also from the ceo of the hospital. And their reflectens on not only the numbers and statistics that have come out in terms of victims, 13 injured at this hospital, 7 critical, two serious one deceased. And then one patient transferred under the age of 2. Also saying that of that number of 13, eight went through surgery. The positive point that the ceo provided that they all left surgery and are doing well and the surgery turned out well. Thats a good piece of news on this saturday. Still with us from earlier retired atf agent. Jif kavanaugh. And jim feglusi when we last spoke jim we didnt have a confirmed suspect shot and killed. And didnt know the details of how the incident came to pass. And that would be 3 17 p. M. Suspect in a traffic stop shoots a trooper and then continues to shoot causing 21 injured and 5 dead at the moment. What do you take away from the latest pieces of information now . Well, richard, it seems like this shooter, this killer might have had some criminal kulpability when the trooper pulled him over. We dont know the troopers information. Whether a Traffic Violation or other information. There could have been some kind of an assault prior by this guy, against someone domestic or anyone pointing a rifle at someone could have been anything like that. Or could have been a fugitive from justice, an escaped prisoner. Could have been driving a stolen car or have a stolen gun. Even a felon with a gun. A convicted felon in california with an m 4 rifle pulled over by a chp motor officer when the motor officer tells him he will impound the car and arrest him. He already did ten years for attempted murder. He knows having that rifle is a federal and state crime in california. He murder the chp motor officer and gets in a shoot theout and is eventually killed. Often time we have criminal culpability and now a trooper or any kind of Law Enforcement interconvenience and then we get the shooting. Now is it possible, richard, just possible he was on his way to do a mass shooting . It certainly is possible. And maybe the trooper got some information. Its probably unlikely but certainly possible. Anyway once he got away from the trooper and the he went to movie theater. He we want toward a crowd. He in a long gun because you interviewed the witness in the last hour that described the long gun. We dont know if thats a Assault Rifle or a shotgun. It could be either one. Theyre both devastating when shot into crowds. And you know we dont know if he is shooting from the moving car. The witness you interviewed did describe shooting from his car. But so its still out on exactly what kind of firearm he was using. But he certainly went into a homicidal mania shooting everyone until the middle, odessa and dps troopers could kill him. Frank, your thoughts . Yeah, jims got the right thread going here, which is there was something that caused an utter desperation in this shooter, whether the fact that he just knew he was going to end up in prison, whether he just didnt want to face the reality of what was about to happen to him. But his mindset was that he had likely thought about the scenario. This isnt something you just decide to do. For whatever reason he decided he wouldnt be taken, won be taken by Law Enforcement, whether a domestic trigger at home. Usually a combination by the way of domestic issues stress at work, some horrible thing and then perhaps being a fugitive from justice. But this didnt just develop at this car stop. He thought about this scenario, what would i do if im pulled over . Im not going to take it. Im not going down. And well learn much more about in ideology and wont take long. The interviews of family and friends, the Computer Forensics is Online Presence will all come together. His criminal record if he has one or military Service Record will all help contribute to this profile. Well learn a lot more. The question for us as a nation, what will we do with those findings . What will we do with that information. And Jim Kavanaugh it appears the white house through the Vice President they are new in front or would like to get in front of the discussion. The Vice President bringing up the idea of solutions and having to discuss solutions. And we have heard from Speaker Pelosi as well that she would like to do something. Is it too early, though is always the question. On the flipside there are those who say its not too early look at the number of shootings that occurred in the state of texas this year. Well, its way too late. I mean the time to act was right after newtown. And the white house is going to do nothing. Theyll get a call from the gun lobby like after parkland. I lived this issue my whole life. And i was in atf my whole life. Theyre not doing anything at all. The country is going to be left at the hands of the gun lobby until the Voters Decide they dont want it that way. So right now theyre in control. And theyre not going to allow any meaningful gun law to pass. I mean they could have a lan yap maybe a red flag law go by but not anything meaningful. Its not only gun cell. We have talked richard and frank. It is gun control. You do need strong gun safety laws to stop this. And we could do so much better and reduce these. But we also need a Mental Health component, a digital hate component. We need more coordination with citizens groups to recognize people in stress as frank discussed earlier. There is a lot of things that can be done, a comprehensive strategic approach could be done except the politics wont allow it. The politics will except in and say oh, no as long as its nothing about this issue or nothing about that issue. We dont have the right leaders to do anything to it. Im convinced unfortunately, as add sad and vulger as it is if someone went and killed 2007 people nothing would happen. Unless the families of america decide that im going to vote for my family, vote for my children, my grandchildren and my loved ones im voting for them first before i vote for the guy controlled by the gun lobby, then well have some change. Now we wont eliminate it totally but we could greatly reduce a lot of things. Cigarettely take a lot of the killing power down and still not hurt peoples Second Amendment rights. You know, if you turn the Second Amendment richard into a suicide pact for all of us what good is it . And we are in an america designed by the gun lobby. They have controlled the congress for the last 25 years, mid90. They have controlled everything, loosened the gun laws in midwest of the states. I mean, if more guns make you safe texas would be the safest place on earth. And they have some of the loosest gun laws. I served there i was the special agent in charge of the dallas division. I know texas. I relief texas and love the people of texas. To get meaningful gun laws changed its l really tough. 30 seconds to you, frank as we heard it appears from dr. Bowes there at the local hospital asking for solutions. And he was saying we are not waiting for the national government. We need to do something locally. And Everybody Needs to do something locally. Maybe he was intimating legislation. Im not sure. What was your reflection. Jim hit the pinpoint that you have to vote for change. Thats the way its going to happen. But lets talk about the likelihood of state change. Texas governor greg abbott, october 2015 tweets the following tweet. Im embarrassed. Texas has fallen to number 2 to california in gun purchases. Lets step it up. Something to that effect. Thats the governor of texas. Thats the mindset were up against. Do you think there is significant change there . Likely not. All right. Thank you so much for our breaking coverage all this evening. I really appreciate you sticking with us et retired atf special agent in charge Jim Kavanaugh. And franke. Two of the best. Thank you for being with us as we covered another shooting in texas. That does it for our coverage. Well have updates here on msnbc throughout the night. And tune in to msnbc tomorrow 6 00 a. M. For the latest on the mass shooting in west texas and hurricane dorian. 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