At 30 . Additionally, the remaining 300 billion of goods and products from china being taxed from september 1st at 10 will be taxed at 15 . Now this was in retaliation for chinas move earlier in the day when it announced retaliation tariffs on 75 billion worth of u. S. Goods. Chinas decision sparked outrage at the white house and a barrage of tweets attacking beijing as well as an attempt to order all u. S. Companies to cut ties with china. Quote, we dont need china and frankly, would be far better off without them our Great American companies are here by ordered to immediately start looking for an alternative to china including bringing Companies Home and making your products in the usa. Those comments sent the market plunging. It closed more than 600 points down for the day. The impact of those tweets on stocks was illustrated realtime on cnbc with this banner trump tweets spark market sell off. Trumps words also brought these comments from anchors on cnbc and fox news. I dont know that the president is briefed at all on some of these issues. There is a bit of chaos in the white house and what seems clear is that the president is making policy through the tweets and not necessarily through any policy process. When you have the president of the United States sort of flailing around this way and ordering companies to move back to the u. S. And saying the head of the Federal Reserve is an enemy of the country, is that going to create more Consumer Confidence about the state of the economy . This could be a bumpy ride this weekend. The president s tirade included attacks on Federal Reserve chairman Jerome Powell. He told bankers quote trade policy uncertainty seems to be playing a role in the global slowdown and in weak manufacturing and Capital Spending in the United States. While Monetary Policy is a powerful tool to work to support consumer spending, it cannot provide a settled rule book for international trade. He was barely done speaking when trump fired off this on twitter, quote, as usual, the fed did nothing. We have a very strong dollar and a very weak fed. Who is our bigger enemy . Jay powell or xi . During his Campaign Trump seemed to relish the idea of remaking americas trade agreements and talked about how good he would be at it. Trade is so easy for me. Its so obvious what is happening when our companies are flocking out. We have to fix trade and bring jobs back to our country. Tonight, the New York Times reports the white house was not exactly prepared for how today unfolded, quote, mr. Trumps tweets caught most of his advisors and staff by surprise and prompted alarm. Some of mr. Trumps advisors privately expressed concern the supporters during an election year. As mentioned, trump is headed to the g 7 where he will deal with some of the United States most important allies, politico saying trump remains opposed to many of the positions held by european counter parts on trade, has said he does not intend to back away from policies including his aggressive stance on china and bloomberg points out, quote, the Global Economy is weakening, trade wars are escalating and Major Economies like germany are sliding toward recession, but the group of seven allies are so divided, there is little hope for the type of coordinated response that sprang from similar meeting as decade ago. Former Deputy National security advisor ben roads that attended summits points out this is taking place at a critical time. We need this g 7 really badly just right now look at the international crisis. The trade war with china, Climate Change and amazon on fire, iran reacuelating stockpiles. Instead of thinking of those, how do we prevent the United States from blowing up the summit . Its a sign of how far the United States is falling in terms of standing in the world. Here for our lead off discussion on a friday night, jonathan Nbc News National Political reporter and ron and washington correspondent for the San Francisco chronicle. Thank youall for being with us. Ron, let me start with you, the day begins with china saying okay, United States were going to retaliate, here is tariffs worth throwing down and trump announces okay, ill see those tariffs now raise more. For the economy in this country, what are the implications of this going to be . Ill be blunt. Recession in 2020. We have major countries around the world in recession. They may have another one going forward. They sell a lot to china. Chinas economy is weakening. France and italy have problems, the u. K. May crash out of the European Union in october in a socalled no deal brexit that Boris Johnson will preside over. There are a lot of spots around the world weakening. This does nothing to help it and in fact makes it worse. So also, we had the comments you saw there on cnbc, other places today trying to decipher where this exactly is coming from, what the president was saying on twitter today, the decision here on new tariffs. What can you tell us about the policy making team, policy apparatus around trump who is he getting feedback from on this . Who is he getting advice from . Is it anybody . Well, i think by now in this administration, at the end of the day its trump. His advisors can give him whatever kind of guidance they want, they can put whatever they want in front of him but he makes decisions and often those decisions that come from him most directly are the ones we see playing out just as we did today on twitter where we have this sort of string of tweets that announces some sort of policy. I mean, obviously, you cannot just tweet you hear by order something and have it become sort of binding law especially something that orders u. S. Companies to do something, which isnt even within his power but when we see that type of language from trump, it tends to be one of those moments where he is making sort of a gut decision on his own based on the input that we know come from a variety of, you know, official white house advisors and also a Kitchen Cabinet of sorts of people he phones and talks to on a regular basis on top of this background music of concerns about a recession, the retaliation from china, this need to feel like a strong leader going into the g 7. That swirling pours out in realtime as we can watch unfold on twitter. Another interesting thing obviously to keep an eye on is the reaction from republicans before donald trump came along of course the Republican Party was known generally as a free trade party. Here is reaction. This is Lindsey Graham emerged as a trump ally. Here is his reaction to the president s latest moves on tariffs. Here is what he said tonight. The goal is to get china to stop cheating the United States out of market share, to play by the rules that everybody else in the world plays by. When it comes to a trade war, we have more bullets than they do so i think the president is determined to get china to change their behavior and im 100 with him. We feel this is consumers, yes, but pay now or later when it comes to china. So john allen, Lindsey Graham there is publicly not wavering at all there staying with trump. Look for republicans, if the economic implications are potentially what ron was laying out, republicans, many will be facing reelection next year in 2020. How much latitude are they going to give the president on this . China has got President Trump by the electoral votes right now. [ laughter ] there is no reason for them to release that pressure and i think youre going to see House Republicans and Senate Republicans stick with the president for just about as long as they can and when they see that its no longer in their interest, if it becomes no longer in their interest to rons point if you start to see a recession in 2020 and i think nobody in this country wants to see that but if you do see that happening, you will start to see some of the republicans make different decisions about what they support the president on. I mean, we see polls where the president has the vast majority of support among republicans but see a Republican Party in a lot of places is shrinking. The fact most republicans support trump is partially evidence of the fact that that party is shrinking some for a lot of these republicans to win reelection, they have to get swing voters and people more identifying with democrats right now at the federal level or president ial level to come and vote for them in house and senate races. Its late on a friday night right now past 11 00 on the east coast and this story is playing out as we speak. The president right now is talking to reporters. He is about to depart washington as we say for the g 7 summit in france. He decided to talk to reporters. Were getting a tape of that that we can turn around and play in a minute. I can tell you the president in the last minute or two telling reporters the economy here in the United States, he says is doing great. He says weve put some tariffs on china that will make a lot of money. He says hes always open to talks with chinese leaders and say the tariffs so far are working out great for us. Hes continuing to talk to reporters. We will, ron, let me ask you what i think the president is talking about. One of the things at least. Hes saying that the tariffs hes imposed on china are causing pain in china, are giving him is that fair at all . Thats fair. Its causing pain to american businesses and consumers who have to pay for them. The average American Household is paying 800 more for products than they otherwise would and companies are paying taxes to the government and taking in 65 billion in import taxes. So yes, i mean, its not exactly swelling the treasurys coffers but the money is coming in. As you weaken china, any political analyst spoke a couple days ago on twitter himself saying the only thing worse for the United States than a strong china is a weak china and if china were to slip into some sort of recession 2 growth or less because of this on going trade war, that has reverberations around the world. That will affect europe and this other trading partner but the United States, as well. Yes, the u. S. Economy looks fine now. Consumer strong, unemployment is low but that can change. I mean, you dont go into a recession from a trough. You go in from a peak and we are at peak numbers in a lot of different areas. This is just going to make matters worse down the road. And again, trying to work to turn this tape around but the president reiterating what he said. Hes willing to talk to china. There have been conversations before. What do you know about the state of those conversations, the state of the dialogue negotiations between the United States and china in light of this massive escalation we saw on both sides today . Look, certainly you and i are not sitting in the room but, you know, from where we are sitting, i dont see temperatures cooling in any respect. In fact, it seems like every time they have sort of said were getting really close, Something Like this happens and we end up farther apart. You know you talk about, you know, the impact to americans. Here is an example from the bay area where i cover washington for their readership. California wine makers hate this trade war. These tariffs are hurting them tremendously. China was a huge market for American Wine and you these are the types of products that china is sort of now retaliating against and making it very difficult for these american businesses. So, you know, when you talk about the Ripple Effect throughout the economy, that may not be an example that leaps into americans minds but its the type of example that makes this trade war so real for so many sectors of the economy in american businesses and that type of thing reverberating over time may be something that, you know, by the time we get to an election scenario, consumers really are actually feeling at the end of the day at their kitchen tables. John, we mentioned as well the president s attack today on twitter on the fed chairman, on Jerome Powell. Explain what the president would like Jerome Powell to be doing and why powell is not doing it and is trump going to do anything about that . I dont think he really well, i mean, lets back up for a minute. The president likes to blame other people for situations that are either out of his control or may be in the president s control that are not going his way. One of the sort of key tenants of his politics is to argue that he is part of an oppressed group that he leads an oppressed group based on his support by the forces in washington including those who he appointed like Jerome Powell, the chairman of the fed and so i think it needs to be viewed in that context. What he would like the fed chairman to do i think is waive a magic want. I think he would like for the fed chairman to keep inflation low. I think he would like to, i mean, to keep Interest Rates low, im sorry. Ultimately, he just wants somebody that he can blame. He likes to look at the fed chairman and say the fed chairman is the problem. He would like Monetary Policy that is more flexible. He believes china is manipulating its currency in ways that are hurtful to the United States and wishes the fed would counter in similar ways but ultimately, this is mostly about trying to find somebody that he can scapegoat for what is really a selfcreated situation here with china. Most people when they touch a hot stove as he has with the trade war, they learn the first time that its hot with this president he continues to touch the stove and holds his hand on there longer and longer each time. Is that, ryan, how you read it . Is he looking for a scape go ahead here or are there specific policies things hes looking to get . He would like the Federal Reserve to cut Interest Rates by a full percentage point. The bond market is pricing it in. Weve seen bond market indicators flashing recession that would suggestion they would cut Interest Rates one or two more times this year. Having said that, the president has shown a great deal of cognitive distance when economic understanding because we have the strongest economy in history and calling for lower Interest Rates. Those things typically dont go together. Hes creating an environment, the Global Economy is weakening. The Federal Reserve to have an effect here probably should be cutting rates. His statement calling the chairman an enemy of the United States is unprecedented, not just in modern economic times, this create as problem for the Federal Reserve and attacks on the credibility, attacks on its leader create concerns among investors that the fed may lose control of its of the operations it under takes, may knuckle under to president ial pressure and that is a real Economic Policy problem down the road, one the president certainly hasnt given much thought to. We mentioned the president is now wrapped up talking to reporters again on his way over to washington. We are turning the tape around but also mike is joining us now, i believe, from the white house he was there as the president talked. He asked questions, mike, take it away. What are the highlights . The president is now on his way to Andrews Air Force joint base in suburban maryland and spoke with reporters for about 15 minutes on his way out late on a friday night here, steve. Here are the highlights. Of course he was asked about the spat with china, i asked him on what authority do you have to forbid or as he put it, hear by order u. S. Businesses not to do business in china or not to manufacture their goods or import their goods from china. He sited this is a new one, steve, 1977 act passed by congress but he didnt have any more details for us on exactly what it was in that act or what even what act hes talking about that gives him the authority. We have to look into that to say the least. He repeated what he had tweeted over the course of the day that caused so much turmoil in the stock markets and elsewhere, even around the world on the eve of this g 7 in france that the china is taking some 500 billion a year or 300 billion a year from the United States in terms of the trade deficit with this country. That is an over statement and the trade deficit does not signify that one country is getting more than another. The United States the u. S. Consumers are buying goods made in china is all that signifies. He talked about the 550 billion in chinese goods that the tariffs going to be increased on starting on september 1st for the first traunch. I asked him if he felt responsible because of his tweets to the 623point drop in the dow industrial average today. He began by saying on balance, the stock market has increased over the course of the last year but then he concluded by saying dont tell me about 600 points. As if its not that big of deal and in the larger scheme of things, its insignificant. Jay powell who came under for withering criticism, the president s tweet today when the president said hes not sure who is the bigger enemy he asked, chairman xi of china, chairman of the communist party thats president of china or jay powell, that raised a lot of eyebrows. He said jay powell is not much of a chess player he said and then later in the discussion back and forth with reporters that are so familiar, he implied he wouldnt mind if jay powell stepped down but here is the interesting part of this, steve. He seemed to acknowledge that there is really nothing he can do to remove jay powell as the chair man of the Federal Reserve, of course, he appointed him last year to a fouryear term. The chairman is supposed to be insulated from these political back and forth and in fact, he is in terms of trying to fire him. One final thing on Justice Ginsburg, he said he wished her well in the wake of the news about her cancer diagnosis. Steve . Mike, thank you very that. Again, he was recapping mike was what the president just said to reporters before leaving. Here is the tape weve turned it around. This is what the president said. Take a listen. It will be very protective, seeing a lot of leaders friends of mine for the most part, wouldnt say 100 of the cases but for the most part and i think were doing very well. Our economy is doing great. Were having a little spat with china and well win it. We put a lot of tariffs on china today as you know they put some on us. We put a lot on them. Were up to about 550 billion. They have been hitting us for many, many years for over 500 billion a year taking out of our country much more than 500 billion a year. So we want that stopped. Okay . Well see what happens. At this moment they want to do that. Well see what happens. Im always open to talk. In 1977 we had an act passed that was a National Emergency act. I had the absolute right to do that. Well see how that goes. We have the absolute right. 1977 check it out. I think our taf riff tariffs are good. They are manipulating our currency. People dont understand that yet. At the same time, china had the worst year probably in anywhere from 30 to 50 years, their worst year and they want to make a deal. No, im not happy with jay powell. I dont think hes doing a good job at all. I dont think hes much of a chess player. I got him. Thats all i have. Hes not much of a chess player. Im going to see Prime Minister abe. Look forward to it. Hes a great gentleman and friend of mine. Were going to see what happens. President moon also a good friend of mine. Well see what happens with south korea. No, i dont think so. We have a very Good Relationship. Well see what happens. That can always change. Kim jongun has been pretty straight with me, i think. And were going to see whats going on. Were going to see whats happening. He like testing missiles but we never restricted shortrange missiles. Well see what happens. Many nations test them. We tested a big one the other day as you probably noticed. Not at all. Not at all. If you look from november 9th, the day after the election, were up 50 more or. Were up many, many points. We were at 16 or 17,000, were at 25,000. So dont tell me about 600 points. I hope she does really well. Our thoughts and prayers with her. Its a very serious situation. Im hoping shes going to be fine. Shes pulled through a lot. Shes strong. Very tough. But we wish her well. Very well. I dont like what france did. They put a Technology Tax on our tech company and not that im the biggest fan of the Tech Companies because as you know, they were very much opposed to the republicans and they are very much opposed. Somebody came in the other day, said the election that we had in 16 with hillary clinton, that it could have cost me anywhere from 2,600 from 2 million 600 votes to close to either ten or maybe even 15 million votes. So im not a big fan of the Tech Companies but i dont want Foreign Companies and foreign countries, i dont want them doing anything having to do with taxes unfairly our companies. Those are Great American companies and frankly, i dont want france going out and taxing our companies, unfair. If they do that, well tax their wine like they have never seen before. I dont like it. Thats for us to tax them. Its not for france to tax them. Other than that, i have a very Good Relationship with, as you know, with macron and well have a very good couple of days. I look forward to being in france. Let me tell you, you know exactly what i meant. It was sarcasm, it was joking, we were all smiling and the question like that is just fake news. Just a faker. I never stated my ideas. You tell me what my ideas were. I never stated them. No, no, no. Dont put a question like that. I never stated my ideas. Dont put the question like that. Say it. Do you want powell to resign . Do i want him to resign . Let me put it this way, if he did, i wouldnt stop him. Hes a very good competitor but were going to win. Rather than renegotiating everything again, ill do it the way i said. Well be redistributing that money differently. A wonderful woman. She was very nice. She put a call in and i appreciated it very much. How far are you willing to push china . China has been hurting our country for 30 years. Other president s should have done something about it a long time ago. Whether it was clinton or bush or obama, any of them should have done something about it and they didnt. Im doing it. I have no choice. Were not going to lose close to a trillion dollars a year to china. China understands that. I hope that with president xi, i have a Good Relationship but they understand were not going to do it and this is more important than anything else right now. Just about that were working on. We have to make sure that our taxpayer, look, we have helped rebuild china like nobody else and they have done a great job and i dont blame china. I blame our president , our representatives, past administrations for allowing that to happen. Its a disgrace. That was the scene outside the white house. Moments ago that was the president emerging talking to the press. We werent sure he was going to on a range of topics. That massively escalated trade war with china featuring prominently in the questions and responses from the president. You see the first lady there joining him. They are on their way to france for the g 7 summit. Our panel is still with us. Ron and sona, one of the comments the president made and i think i heard him reiterate on the subject of china and the trade war, he said we will win it. You said this all but certainly sets off the path towards a recession over the next year. Do you see a scenario through the economic pain he can achieve his goals and win it in his words . If china were to collapse and have internal strith to get the economy back on track, its possible. China has been shown in the past to with stand internal political pressure better than a president of the United States. Xi is president for life. Donald trump is not. He has more political pressure than president xi does. I would say you know despite the president s assertion early in he has term, that trade wars are easy to win. Were finding out that is not the case. There is a considerable cost. I dont like to draw parallels to the 1930s but when you get into a scenario, japan and south korea are having a friday despite and separate income a meaningful way. We have a lot of flash points around the world in which we might start to see competitive currency devaluation that could reek havoc in Global Financial markets if china were to rapidly develop currency and in retaliation of moves. That could cause problems that are difficult for the Federal Reserve to deal with. Mike was there. There was some suspension whether the president was going to talk to the press i think sometimes for late night exits from the white house thats not always the case. Clearly he had things he wanted to get out there into the public square. Well, there is no question about it. The president we havent seen today. The pattern from President Trump is he does stop and talk to the press, you know, these sort of situations and this environment is ed a ventageous because were this brain mob shouting questions at him and they are important but he can say things like there is a 1977 act of congress that enables me to order American Companies where to do business and whether they can do business in china or elsewhere for that matter and, you know, that is out of blue and when you ask a followup, he walks to the other side of the press room and answers a question or doesnt about a completely unrelated topic. You heard questions about the trade relationship with japan. You heard a question about reparations, you heard a question about his relationship with macron where in fact, the president once again threaten tariffs on french wine if the french dont drop their threat of tariffs. It gets back to the president s favorite tool. This presidency of the white house he has sort of discovered over the course of the last year and that is his ability to levee tariffs. Weve seen him threaten with mexico and other Central American countries and threaten it with japan and now were of course were seeing it actually happen with china. So the time here at the white house, the president perhaps understanding that he needed to get ahead of the cycle, he had that answer prepared about the 1977 law didnt even bat an eyeball, was shaking his head as i asked a question like he anticipated that question and, you know, typically its hard to get into this president and any president s mind of why, what motivates him to do the things that they do. We talked about the idea whether the President Trump is some sort of master of 3 d chess shooting from the hip. The opinion is he showed up at the hip and there is an understanding that there were a lot of questions after a wild day of tweets, people losing millions of dollars individuals losing hundreds of dollars or thousands of dollars, individual retirees or those with iras and 401 ks, these questions had to be addressed in one shape or form or another, steve. Yeah, and he did have an answer it seemed there ready on this supposed 1977 law although he was very unclear on what that law even was or any specifics there. Let me follow up on that question this way, is this something that the white house in any way, that anybody at the white house that anybody in the administration in any way has been talking about behind the scenes or been talking about with reporters saying hey, there is this law x that we believe dove tails with the president s tweet. Is that something thats ever come up . I dont think so. I saw some reporters ask them is there an executive order that you can point to thats coming, can you explain exactly what this supposed order looks like and there was no answer. So it seems to be perhaps a bit of maybe retro fitted answer to explain what he was saying on twitter. The other thing that i think is permeating our discussion, when you look at going to a trade war with china, thats not a free economy. The chinese president certainly has various levers he can pull with controlling the chinese economy that are simply not available to an american president and i think when you look at the way the president continues to go back to tariffs which are something within his authority alone that he doesnt have to get congress buy to do when you look at him attacking the fed and the fed chairman for what he believes they should be doing instead of the inagain independent Economic Policy is doing, weve seen time and time again President Trump seems to be grasping for powers that the american presidency simply doesnt have and so this is sort of all coming to ahead with the economy where he doesnt have the levers to sort of control the American Economy the way that china does and yet, hes gotten us into this headtohead matchup with him. You see these sort of things playing out in realtime as he looks for ways that he can perhaps make a dent or steer the ship in the direction he would like it to go. Steve, im racking my brain whether or not the president can intervene in certain business activities. Dwight eisenhower, john f kennedy. Ronald reagan fired air Traffic Controllers to break that union. Those are three i can i think of. The risk here, u. S. Companies can pick up and move somewhere else. The president hasnt thought of that. Legislation may exist. They can no longer they face tariffs and measures but they can leave if they so choose. Steve go ahead, yeah. I was going to say, its important to remember the congress spent many decades giving lots of powers to the president that are unused for a long time. They have been seeding power to the presidency and this president more than any other in the lifetime has found new powers that we didnt know existed or tried to use them in ways past president s have not. I would add Franklin Roosevelt during world war ii forcing companies to get involved in the war effort. Using some powers of the presidency there, certainly some cohorgs if nothing else. There are advisors pouring through laws at all times trying to figure out what executive powers do exist. Weve seen him move money to build a wall along the u. S. Mexico border in a way that had not previously been anticipated. Weve seen efforts to use executive powers. So when he says Something Like that, im not sure its cavalier. Hes probably come from a briefing with an advisor or somebody who has gotten in his ear who read something and believes it can be applied in that way and were looking at a court system thats been stacked with federal judges appointed by this president and confirmed by a senate that is very favorable to this president. Right. It did seem 1977 you heard him repeat that year several times there. It seemed he had something specific in mind. John, you refer to the money being reshuffled for the wall. The white house invoked the 1976 Emergency Powers act i think was invoked then. Yes, we will see if there is something there that they are talking about and if there is something there they will try to invoke other than a president ial tweet. Thats the to be continued aspect of this among others. Thank youall for being with us. Coming up, a new health scare you heard from the president. A new health scare for Supreme Court justice ruth baiter and another has sharp words for celebrity candidates. The 11th hour just Getting Started on a friday night. I always said ill stay on this job as long as i can do it full steam and if that means at my age 86 you have to take it year by year. So i know im okay. I was okay this last term. I expect to be okay next term. And after that, well just have to see. That was Justice Ruth Bader ginsburg for a localized malignant tumor found on her pancreas. He completed treatment and tolerated it well. The statement says aside from cancelling a trip to santa fe, she maintained an active schedule and adds the tumor was treated definitively and no evidence of disease elsewhere in the body. Shell continue to have periodic blood tests and scans. No further treatment is needed at this time. This is not her first cancer scare nor is it the second. Politico points out ginsburg survived multiple diagnoses. She was treated in 1999 and most recently in december 2018 to remove cancerous nods from her left lung identified after she fell and fractured three ribs last november. With us for more, josh, Senior Legal Affairs contributor for politico and Barbara Perry at the university of virginia and important to this conversation, a fellow for the United StatesSupreme Court. Thanks to both of you. Josh, let me start with you. Obviously the subject of Ruth Bader Ginsburg health is front and center for Supreme Court watchers for literally years now. This latest news that we are learning about publicly after the fact of the treatment. Were there rumblings of this behind the scenes or were you surprised like the rest of us today . I didnt hear of rumblings, there were photographs yesterday or earlier today showing her going to the hospital and everyone knows because of her cancer history, she has to get more regular checkups than a lot of people. Wasnt something we were aware of. Those of us who cover the Supreme Court are wary about the announcements. To hear it come out and say shes been getting treatment for a recurrence of cancer for three weeks and learning about it in the tail end and after there are photographs of her going into the hospital, it has become a bit of a pattern with Justice Ginsburg that when these Health Scares take place, we dont get prompt reports on them or clear information. I remember one time when she collapsed at the court or felt light headed and had to be taken to the hospital and we were later told that this occurred while he was getting an iv iron infusion. The court said nothing before that that she was going down on a regular basis one or two times a week to get iron infusions in the courts physicians office. It feels like were not always getting the full story in her health. The subject of ginsburgs health has been there for a long time. The balance is so difficult, its dependent who happens to be the president when any vacancy happens to occur. This question has been asked for years about potentially timing any exit, any retirement from the court. You had a front and center view of her. What is your sense how she thinks about that question . Well, i think she thinks first of all as youve had in the clip from her, that she loves this job. Shes committed to it. Shes committed to the court and to Public Service and that she will continue to do it as long as she feels she can do it full steam as she says and shes an amazing woman to be sort of a birdlike figure and i say she has the strength of somebody three times her size. My sense is that if she was going to time her leaving of the court for political reasons and ideology reasons and partisan reasons, she would have left during the presidency of barack obama. She puts first and foremost the court and i think her service on it and as she said she can do the job, shes going to stay there. Barbara perry and josh, my apologies to both of you. The breaking news took over this show. We appreciate you staying up with us late on a friday night. We did want to get this story in. Appreciate your time. Thank you very much to both of you. Does the kennedy name meanwhile mean anything to massachusetts voters . How the bay state may soon get to test that out when the 11th hour continues. 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Call healthmarkets now. Call the number on your screen call this number now. To all the dreamers out there watching tonight. You are part of our story. Well fight for you and well not walk away. Congressman joe kennedy the iii displaying his bilingual skill. Jonathan markey, the power of incumbency is being tested here. It is a different political world today. This idea of being elected and thinking it is your seat before you leave, that pain has changed. We are joined by our congressional reporter from politico. Thank you both of you for being with us. Phil, let me start with you. One of the basic question of the kennedy name, whatever you want to call it. Does it still matter or count for much . 2019 or 2020 in. Well, thats the question. Kennedy getting into this race will make them force to choose between an incumbent colleague or someone who can raise them a boat of money. You can instantly congress then potential future senator candidate being top fundraiser for the party. He has not decided yet. I talked to some folks in massachusetts tonight just to double check. No decisions have been made. Hes weighing it and it has tremendous consequences and not just for the party but for the future of the party in a party trying to confront, not only generational change but ideological change. A lot of time you see these primary changes, there is an obvious issue and ed markey is down the line for as long as he has been in washington. This one reads to the lament that it had a lot to do more with ambition than any kind of idealogical state. Incumbents are being primary, theyre usually being primary from the left. Ed markey checks all the boxes. I am out here in california trying to find out what democratic voters care about. I am hearing a sense of yearning for younger leadership in the house or senate and the democratic leadership there, theyre in their 70s and 80s. These younger class, freshmen democratic elected in 2018. Pervasive among voters among the country. The idea of getting younger blood injected in one of the most powerful, political grasses in the country. Ed markey is as progressive as it gets. Hes been in the box for 20 years. Joe kennedy is only 38 years old. Phil, you hear this argument from folks on markeys side. All democratic has to be taking on donald trump, this president. There is no room to waste that in a primary fight on any level. Does that have residence with democratic voters . In massachusetts. I mean when we are looking a the map of all the competitive democratic primary in the senate. Massachusetts is alone and having incumbent democrats. Thats a pick up opportunity. It is not about ideology and you are seeing candidates in those races along with potential races in georgia and iowa. You use the electability argument. It is still over the fact of a president ial race when always seem to talk about who can beat donald trump. Andrew, on ed markey, he actually reigns through the u. S. Senate back in 1994. He was the race then. He backed out and john kerry ended up winning the seat there and markey wait to massachusetts. These openings does not come around often. That may be the calculation that you are hearing. Joe kennedy, if you are a fan, you dont get many opportunity. You dont get stuck in the house for decades or if you see any kind of taking. Thats exactly right. The kennedy name is prevalent and popular in the state of massachusetts. You mention personal ambition and potential driver for this primary challenge. Thats a big factor here. I do think the main thing here is injecting younger blood into congress and the higher i talked to people who know ed markey and characterize him as an energizer bunny. Hes fired up and he wants to beat donald trump. Hes 73 years old but hes showing no signs of stopping. Hes focused on trying to defeat donald trump and get these progressive wish list items passed. So again he checks all the boxes for progressives and thats something that massachusetts voters are going to continue to take into account over the next couple of years. Phil, quickly, it occurs to me, Elizabeth Warren, endorsing ed markey. If Elizabeth Warren were to be successful in her campaign, opens up the senate seat. You can forget markey right there. Maybe you had another opportunity if warren to win the election. Thats a possibility or warren retires, thats also a possibility. I dont see her being in the senate before. The one thing i will notice on the Elizabeth Warren, her formal announcement. Congressman kennedy was among those introducing her. They had a history, too. No, that did not translate into an endorsement this week. Phil and eliot, thank you both for joining us. More of what an unexpected busy friday night with the president speaking to the press before heading off to the g7 in france. Thats our broadcast for tonight for this week. 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