Well, good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. Day 809 of this Trump Administration. The president is shaking up the top ranks of the nations immigration and security leadership. Within the past 24 hours donald trump has forced out the secretary of Homeland Security and the director of the u. S. Secret service, a man who happens to be a 35year vet on of the marine corp and retired two star general. And there are reports tonight there may be more to come. New york times reports the latest moves appeared, quote, quote, it appeared to be a housecleaning of officials associated with john kelly, the president s former chief of staff and his first homeland Kirstjen Nielsen she will be forever associated with the separation of Migrant Children from their parents at our border. She will be forever associated with the separation of Migrant Children from their parents at our border. Trump ended the separation policy officially in june with an executive order. Last night donald trump announced nielsens departure on twitter. This morning she said she still supports the president. I assure the president s goal of securing the border. I will continue to address all efforts the humanitarian crisis at the border. Her tenure was marked by several clashes with trump who reportedly held her responsible for not reducing the number of undocumented migrants. Shell be replaced by on an acting basis by the current customs and Border Protection commissioner. He comes to the job just days after the president signaled he wanted to, quote, go in a tougher direction on immigration if thats possible. This weekend trump summed up his policy with these words. This is our new statement. The system is full. Cant take you anymore. Whether its asylum, whether its anything you wanted, illegal immigration. Cant take you anymore. We cant take you. Our country is full. What can you do . Our country is full. Cant come in. Im sorry. Its very simple. The reasons for the removal of the director of the u. S. Secret service, randolph allese are less clear. He sent a message today saying that weeks ago he was alerted of a coming transition in leadership. However, again the New York Times reporting tonight according to two officials, quote, the president had soured on mr. Alles a while ago even making fun of his looks, calling him dumbo because of his ears. His departure comes after security procedures around the president come under scrutiny after a Chinese National was arrested at maralago with multiple electronics devices. The staffing purge also coincides with the rise of trump senior aide Stephen Miller, who according to many has been the one pressing for tougher Administration Policies and has been pressing for a more aggressive crackdown at the border. Politico reports it this way. Quote, miller has been telephoning midlevel officials at several federal departments and agencies to demand they do more to stem the influx of immigrants. All of this has highlighted trumps reliance on acting top officials in his administration. Some of whom hold positions that usually require Senate Confirmation. Earlier this year the president explained why he was in no hurry to make permanent appointments. I sort of like acting, gives me more flexibility. Do you understand that . I like acting. With that, lets bring in our leadoff panel on a monday night. Phil rucker here in new york, pulitzer prizewinning White House Bureau chief for the Washington Post. Nancy cook, and franko gordono covering immigration and foreign affairs. Good evening and welcome to you all. Phil, were very happy to have you on home turf for this brief shining moment. What just happened today, and i note that, yes, were talking about what happened today. We likely will not be by tomorrow night. There likely will be a further move in this purge by tomorrow. Whats happening is pretty extraordinary. The president is completely cleaning house in the department of Homeland Security, and this is not just an agency that oversees immigration policy. This agency created after the terror attacks of 9 11 is designed to keep our country safe, prevent cyberattacks and future terrorist attacks and right now there is instability throughout the department. People dont know where therell be fire next, who theyll be reporting to. And the president is acting out and making these changes because hes so frustrated with whats happening at the border, the influx of migrants at the border, the crossings. It is intour ate into hes looking for somebody to blame and tonight thats kerjsten nielsen, thats the secret service. And tomorrow it could be new people. Id like to read you too different quotes. One from just within the last 24 hours and the other from the Washington Post almost a year ago. This is about the president s treatment of his now former dhs secretary. The president called ms. Nielsen at home early in the morning to demand she take action to stop migrants from entering the country to do things that were clearly illegal, such as blocking all migrants from seeking asylum. Trump has fumed at nielsen telling her to close the border and growing impatient at her explanations why thats not possible. He has also blamed her at times for not securing enough money to finish the border wall even though she was not party to the spending deal struck by senior white house aides. Franco, lets point out the obvious. Number one this is exculpatory towards nielsen. The outgoing cabinet secretary who knows enough about how the world works and developed some friendships in the news media. Having said that who is this president going to find who was willing to do that kind of thing if she wasnt . Its really going to be hard to find that person. I mean all my sources on the left and right are saying, look, you cannot just put a new face in dhs and expect the world to change. The reality is congress hasnt acted and are unlikely to act without serious concessions, without legalization or some type of asylum rule changes. And the fact is the law is the law. What we found, what trump realized is after his kind of honeymoon period after the first year when human smugglers were trying to figure out kind of how the things work under the Trump Administration. They soon learned the asylum rules are still the asylum rules. You cannot hold children for more than a month and they started coming back. And you saw the illegal crossings creep up at about the same time that nielsen came in. And frankly it was bad timing for her and its going to be bad timing for the next person. Nancy, other than being a political cartoonist dream, lets talk about mr. Miller. And let me ask you just how vast is his portfolio right now . Well, his portfolio is quite large. He really is the architect of the administrations immigration policy. And in an administration where theres often a lot of back biting he is someone whos managed to have huge staying power, hes operated under the radar, he has stayed in the good graces of ivanka trump and jared kushner. And, you know, no matter what happens, he never really becomes the face of the crisis. Kerjsten nielsen, for instance, took all of the blame for separating children and parents when that policy was under way even though that was something Stephen Miller really advocated for. And hes someone that continues to play under the radar and had a huge role in this huge leadership shakeup at dhs. He is someone whos urging the president to do what he considers fulfilling the Campaign Promises that trump made in 2016, and he views part of that as this housecleaning at dhs. Franco, let me go back to you because i note you spoke with an obama era enforcement lawyer, lets say, in this area. Give us a reality check. By how much has policy changed compared to the original initiatives in the Obama Administration . Yeah, i mean absolutely. I talked to obamas enforcement lawyer earlier today who was just telling me, look, trump wants different changes. You pointed out in the intro nielsen was pushing back on efforts to do illegal things. The reality is those things have been tried. Obama tried to do the vast majority of things that trump is trying to do, short of family separation policy. President obama detained families for over a year. You know, there were children in Detention Centers for a year until the courts stopped it and said, no, no, no you can only do 20 days. Obama also tried to prevent immigrants from being released on bond. The courts again said, no. Obama tried to keep children, imMigrant Children in hhs shelters for a longer time until they could be processed. That also was enjoined. These are things on the law, unless congress is going to act and theres no sign they will, were going to continue to see this problem over and over and over again. Franco, i know you dont deal in the world of opinion. But whats your guess as to why there werent raised protests . Where were the raised voices back then . Was it just a liberal complicit news media . What was it . That is very difficult question to ask. There were certainly immigration lawyers that i spoke to, a lot who were very vocal and very outspoken. But youre right, there was a challenge because obviously Latino Advocacy groups were very much aligned with the Obama Administration, and there were challenges that they faced politically that they did not want to confront obama. Obama also provided some relief for, you know, the latino advocacies when he passed or when he pushed the dream act pardon me, not the dream president obama anot the dream act but daca, the release of undocumented kids to come into the country and remain legally. So there was kind of like well take what we can get, but well be a little bit quiet on some of these other issues. Phil, to go back to a point you made about Homeland Security, i want to play for you a little bit from both chairs, house and senate, Homeland Security committees. This speaks to the real business at hand. Its impossible to work in my estimation for President Trump on immigration. He has a mindset that is absolutely unimaginable as it relates to immigration. Im concerned of a growing void of leadership within the department of Homeland Security, and this is a department that is charged with really trying to grapple with some of the most significant challenges facing this nation. And phil, you open the door to this. This is behemoth. This was created, built piece by piece during the 43 presidency as a result of 9 11. When you have a Cabinet Department you have corresponding committees in congress. We saw that there. Pretty soon youre talking about a serious charge to keep the American People safe. When does this when do we get shocked out of our existence this may be just a cable news story we talk about . This is among one of the more serious branches of our government. It is, brian. And thankfully theres not been a crisis to face this president. Weve not had a terror attack on our soil, weve not had a major hack since the russian interference accompany in the 2016 election and that could happen at any point now, and the department is point now, and the department is simply not equipped with so much leadership change and turn over. And dhs has been a place for stability and competence in government for the last two administrations. You think about tom ridge, the first dhs secretary, jay johnson and the Obama Administration, and these were Public Servants who kept their heads down and did the work and managed that big bureaucracy and were competent. And now you see President Trump trying to politicize this department to make it a tool for his Reelection Campaign effectively by pursuing this immigration agenda that he and Stephen Miller are pushing inside the white house. And clearly it is alarming members in congress. Senator grassley was speaking out to my colleague tonight warning President Trump against firing other officials at the department of Homeland Security. And nancy cooke, lets turn to the u. S. Secret service. Heres a gentleman, 35 years in his beloved marine corp. Retires with two stars on his shoulders, a veteran of the iraq war. And what do you get for that . Reports tonight that the president made fun of his ears. Walk us through this process. Well, its kind of extraordinary that the head of the secret service, their whole mission really is to keep the president and his family safe, and this president has a very large family. So there are secret service agents, you know, with each one of his children, his wife. You know, its just a huge burden on the secret service. These people are working around the clock, weekends, nights to protect the whole extended family, and, you know, the president was making fun of the way that the head of the secret service looked, the way his ears were on his face, behind his back. And that was mostly because this man was appointed by general john kelly. The president has ill feelings towards kelly still and, you know, was just swept up in it. And this was really part of this dhs purge is about the president s frustration with the migrant crossings at the border and the fact he hasnt been able to stem those and hasnt ben able to do things he wants to do even if theyre considered illegal. But part of it is just a personal vendetta. He does not like kelly, and what happened today was a sweep of administration of kelly allies and the secret service was among them. Our thanks to philip rucker, nancy cooke, franco ordonez. We really appreciate you guys starting usa off our first hour of the week. And coming up for us, we are just hours away from the attorney general appearing before congress. The man we havent heard speak since the Mueller Report. The man who now controls the release and the contents of the Mueller Report. And later, millions of americans dont yet know his name, millions more have given up trying to pronounce it, but something he said yesterday may cement his position on the political map. The 11th hour just Getting Started on this monday night. You know reliable support when you have it, and that dependability is what we want to give our customers. At comcast, its my job to constantly monitor our network. Prevent problems, and to help provide the most Reliable Service possible. My name is tanya, i work in the Network Operations center for comcast. We are working to make things simple, easy and awesome. Attorney general barr heads to capitol hill first thing tomorrow morning for his first public hearing since Robert Mueller completed his investigation. Barr, heres the important part, will be testifying before a House Appropriations subcommittee about the budget of his department. But to repeat, this is subcommittee of the appropriations committee, but it might as well be the Judiciary Committee for the questions we expect he will be asked about the Mueller Report. Because this attorney general is the man right now standing between said Mueller Report and we, the people. So expect it to come up once or twice in questioning. Theres also reason to expect Robert Mueller himself testifying before the powerful house Judiciary Committee. We dont know when, but we do know that the democratic chairman and the Top Republican agree on the need for mueller to come testify. First things first tomorrow morning we get to hear from the a. G. Himself. Here with a preview tonight clint watts, former member of the joint Terrorism Task force. Now a senior fellow at the Foreign Policy research institute. And back with us a former federal prosecutor from the u. S. Attorneys office in washington. Gentlemen, welcome to you both. And clint, just as a primer here we are living both in a tv and internet age. There will be questions and members of the subcommittee tomorrow who will want their moment. Do you think the attorney general can very effectively shut it down and give a blanket statement that says you can ask me any which way you want, i aint going to talk about it until its released. I think he can probably do that. And im somewhat sympathetic to him having done a redaction process before, it does take a long time to do that. You want to make sure you get it right because weve seen several mistakes in recent trials now where some things have slipped out. Maybe theres this wikileaks connection in the southern trial. So they dont want to make those mistakes. The other part is the classified info. Weve already heard some senators, i think senator kenny said people could die. If some of this information slips out. I think he could move around quickly and say were almost done as it is. I told you in midapril. No one wants members of the tome team endangered doing their jobs, especially overseas. So glen, walk me through this redaction process. Is it our belief that mueller and rosenstein are still of counsel standing by around for this effort going on being led by the attorney general . This is muellers work product, after all. And theres been some reporting that his intentions have already been shifted a little bit. Yeah, you know, brian, there are more questions than answers when it comes to this redaction process. We have heard reporting that mueller already did some summaries presumably redacting out things that would not be appropriate for release. Well need to know ultimately why is it that barr cant rely on those summaries. And then the redaction process itself thats being undertaken by barr, and if you can credit barrs assertion by rosenstein and perhaps by mueller as well. You know, there are a number of rather murky areas for these redactions. Grand jury secrecy is a bedrock principle with respect to what we can and cant turn over, but then there are these other vague categories that the attorney general has set out, like the peripheral person privacy privilege. I dont know, but for alliteration i dont think that privilege has much going for it. It seems to be one that barr has come up with himself. I understand the principle that if prosecutors at the end of an investigation decide not to charge someone, you dont want to sort of air their dirty laundry, but i dont think what were dealing with here is a typical investigation or typical prosecutorial decision. So i think more information rather than less really does need to go to congress so congress can fulfill its important oversight responsibilities and it can at least begin to think about the important topic of whether impeachment proceedings are perhaps in the offing. Glen, perhaps if i had a magic wand and made you a member of the subcommittee tomorrow or made you a member of the house judiciary and you had one shot, one question to ask this attorney general, what would it be . It would be well, first of all it would be id like to see the unredacted report, please. But it would also probably be how in the world when bob mueller the lead investigator who spent 22 months delving into the facts when that person concluded he cant clear the president on a factual basis on what factual basis were you able to summarily say ill go ahead and clear the president of obstruction . Clint, as the author of a book on russia i am guessing you would have a question about russia influence. Im curious about in that report, what we saw in those two indictments was remarkable. If you rewind a year and look at the february and july indictments they were very detailed. There were communication intercepts in there. It was very specific. It really put down a lot of the alternative conspiracies. So i would be really fascinated in terms of the intelligence they actually garnered. This would obviously be behind closed doors, but in that intelligence did they speak to people or bring people in and get cooperating witnesses that told them how these operations work, because thats really what this report was all about in the beginning, how are we going to prevent this from happening in 2020, how are we going to make sure our elections have integrity moving forward . They really got those insights from the inside. Down in florida a very nice woman walks into maralago, turns out to be a Chinese National, shes just looking for the pool. They look in her purse and found 8,000 in chinese and american currency. I know you brought a list of what else they found in her purse. What do you think she was intending to do . Apparently she had a lot of data. She knee needed to move. She had an i. T. Department in her purse. A laptop with an external hard drive, four cell phones, five similar cards, usb with malware. Id love to know what kind of malware was on that. Nine other usbs, a signal detector to reveal hidden cameras. So not your every day customer probably of maralago. Do you think she was a chinese pros proof intel . I heard tonight she would have had a cover story. It would have been a little bit more discreet. It is a little weird because for all this technical gadgetry she was carrying around her cover story was detected. Did we miss this in previous attempts and maybe she was the least skilled person involved in this, or was this a sort of money for hire kind of thing, or what can i get out of maralago, was it attached to the Chinese Government . Thats really not been discussed at all. Theres been no discussions other than she does not have any american contacts and does not have any real known associates. Why they said she couldnt be out on bail. A lot of open questions in there, and makes you wonder what did she think she was going to get out of maralago and why did she have to bring all this equipment in there. Just looking for the pool. Of course she didnt have her bathing suit with her was the first clue. To clint watts and glen, thank you both. Very much, two veteran fwguestsn this broadcast. And coming up the state of play and new efforts just today to get to see the president s tax returns. Well have the latest on that when we come back. Just because i felt like it was so oily and greasy and that it was going to clog my pores. But what i love about Olay Regenerist whip with spf 25 is that its lightweight, its barely there. And then i can put makeup on over it if i want or if im not working, you know, just roll. Its perfect for me. Im busy philipps, and im fearless to face anything. Were on the move. Hey rick, all good . Oh yeah, were good. Were good. Terminix. Defenders of home. Welcome back. The effort by various people to see this president s tax returns is getting more creative. A new plan by democrats in his native state of new york to get ahold of trumps tax returns now has the support of governor andrew cuomo. The president will be happy to know the New York Times first reported that under a bill introduced today the commissioner of the new york remember state department of taxation and finance would be permitted to release any state tax return requested by leaders of three congressional committees. This renewed push on the state level comes as house democrats, of course, have demanded six years of trumps federal returns. The chair of the ways and Means Committee gave the irs until this wednesday to respond, but the acting white house chief of staff says flatly democrats shouldnt hold their breath. To be clear you believe democrats will never see the president s tax returns . Oh, no, never. Nor should they. Keep in mind thats an issue that was already litigated during the election. Voters knew the president could have given his tax returns, they knew he didnt and they elected him anyway. Quietly remarkable in its own way. Joining us tonight tim obrien and a. B. Stottard. Columnist and associate editor at real clear politics. Im going to ask you both the same questions, so thats the part of this thats a take home test. Do you think well ever see the president s tax returns . I think its likely that we will, but i do think that the president is assured that he can run out the clock by stalling and then a legal battle would ensue thats likely to go past the next election. So even his effort at the state level in new york is designed to be a back stop. If the federal effort fails i just dont see were going to see them between now and the election. And a followup. Most people suspect what he doesnt like is they show his net worth beginning with an m and not a b. What changes . He was president absent the returns, and what changes in his relationship between donald trump and his base . If theyre released or not released . If theyre released and his net value doesnt turn out to be what we were told . I think theres more concern beyond the numbers and inflated estimates of his own wealth. I think the concern is the business dealings he was doing with russia actually in the early 2000s which makes the requests by chairman neal interesting because they only go back to 2013. But in the early 2000s his sons bragged on the record they were doing all of their business, most of their business with russia. No properties there but gettin loans when u. S. Banks wouldnt loan to them. The tailoring of the requests are interesting, and theyre trying to get at conflicts of interest which i think is concern of President Trumps beyond whether he bragged he was a billionaire or millionaire. Tim, same question. Will we ever see them . I think we should see them. I dont know if we will. I think theyre going to fight tooth and nail to keep those things out of the public purview. Obviously whats happening in new york is the new York State Legislature and andrew cuomo realized it may not happen at the federal level. We have andrew cuomo and Rudy Giuliani and jerry nadler and the chairman of the National Enquirer i think the new York State Legislature is going to have a hard time getting some of this past the irs because the new york state returns are based on the federal returns. I think theres going to be a lot of legal back and forth around this. I think when Mick Mulvaney said this was litigated during the election during the election the president originally said hed be happy to release his tax returns. Then when the consequences of releasing them and the kind of information that would come out if he did so dawned on him he said im under audit and i cant release them. And the audits not an excuse for not being able to release them. Richard nixon released his while he was under audit. I dont think the salient issue is what its going to say about his wealth. What a. B. Pointed to, which is what it says about his sources of financing. And neals only asked for six years of returns. Thats only going to get us back to say 2012 or 2013. And i think the very interesting period that everyone is focused on with him are the mid nots, when he sort of blows through his final inherence from fred trump yet comes up with enough cash to finance the construction of a golf course in scotland, buy another one and do a lot of other deals that ultimately involve the spending of hundreds of millions of dollars. And the source of that money is a mystery. A. B. , tim correctly mentions the audit. We have the same thought. Well play this and talk on the other side. I pay hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes, but as soon as my routine audit is finished, ill release my returns. Ill be very proud to. Until such time the audit is finished by the irs, i wont be going and releasing because that wouldnt be a good thing to do. Ill release them when the audit is completed. Interesting his acting chief of staff didnt mention the routine audit. Yes, i thought that was interesting that Mick Mulvaney threw the president ial line about the audit under the bus and said basically, you know, this was no problem for the voters in the election. The polling has always showed a stronger majority than trumps approval rating, and so people within his own base would like to see his tax returns. Once he became president , he became officially under audit as all president s are. And there is no rule, of course, keeping him from releasing them. And i think that not only the fact that he and his lieutenants cant stay on the same page, its going to make it very hard on republicans even if we never see these returns until after the 2020 election because of the court battle to defend. Its just going to be increasingly difficult for them to say hes not hiding anything and this is completely fine for him to hide his returns and spend taxpayer money to fight this in court. Both of our guests have agreed to stay with us. And coming up when we come back, the latest big name departure, just the latest upheaval for a white house where chaos, at least a little bit of it every day seems to be the norm. More on that when we come back. Or atopic dermatitis. You feel like youre itching all the time. And you never know how your skin will look. Because deep within your skin. An overly sensitive immune system. Could be the cause. So help heal your skin from within. With dupixent. Dupixent is not a steroid,. And it continuously treats your eczema. Even when you cant see it. At 16 weeks, nearly four times more patients taking dupixent saw clear or almost clear skin compared to those not taking it. And patients saw a significant reduction in itch. 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B. , do you think diversity has been a smooth running machine and priority at that place . It is not top of mind. I think the president has made it perfectly clear over and over again he does not follow these rules and protocols everyone has taken so seriously for so long that having policy experts in all the right positions for stable and effective government. Hes actually on the record as we know saying he loves using acting positions because he could just get a new one when he feels like it, and he doesnt want to bother with a Senate Confirmation process. And so i think we can expect to see more of this. I dont know that it will be at the rate weve seen the last few days. But its not a big concern to cycle through people at this unprecedented rate. Tim, i want to show you a bit of an interview nationally televised this weekend. And have you comment on this prominent member of the Republican Party afterwards. Oh, im told we dont have it. Anyway, it was you should have been there. It was mitt romney talking about the pursuit of the president s tax returns. And you had a lot of people react that they were surprised im told by the control room, and just in the knick of time we have it. Well talk about it on the other side. I think the democrats are playing along in his handbook and going through his tax returns is moronic. Thats not going to happen. What do you think is going on there . One, i think mitt romney has flipflopped so many times throughout his relationship with donald trump and now hes playing the Loyal Party Member in this. The congress doesnt need legislative action. The congress is entitled to oversee the operations of the executive branch. If they decide it helps decide whether or not you have a financially conflicted president in the oval office, i think thats part of their powers in the u. S. Constitution. They dont need to pass legislation to do that. I think hes being an honest analyst of the dynamics at work. And mitt romney we may remember during the 2016 campaign was one of the most pronounced opponents of trump. And he routinely pointed with trumps business relationships, questions how trump financed his businesses. The only way to get to that in a meaningful way is through his tax returns. And thats why every president since 1973 has released them. Here we are tonight talking about tumult in the administration. Turnover, were not talking about the russia investigation. Something tells me we will by tomorrow night. But is any of this by design to use the quaint old quote . Nothing is by design in trump land. The Trump Organization was a Chaotic Organization that essentially revolved around the cultive personality selling donald trump as a shingle. Thats morphed. Don mcgahn said i think he the white house is run like a hub and spoke operation with trump at the hub. Blah, blah, blah. Donald trump is a solo pilot who decides what he wants to do on a whimsy. And i think what happened to the Homeland Security Department Today is the result of the fact theyve got an embarrassing failure on the southern border. And rather than take responsibility for that mistake himself trump is going through and beheading people at dhs. Closing thoughts in 30 seconds or less. Has mitt romney decided not to take a role of leadership in the Senate Republicans . No, hed like to do a two step which is why he said hed like to see the tax returns. But the technique by the democrats was moronic. He wants to be a trump critic one day. Then be a loyal Senate Republican the next day. Thank you as always. And coming up, we havent heard a speech from a politician quite like this one. Well have it for you when we come back. [narrator] do you have less energy than you used to . When i was young, into my teens and when i went into college and played college tennis, i could play all day long and never get tired. As i got older, i started noticing a change in energy. 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A lot of things make his resume stand out. He served in afghanistan and is veteran of the u. S. Navy. He graduated and is harvard scholar. And hes also gay and a conversation on that topic in a speech on sunday just might have the power to resonate beyond that event, not unlike Barack Obamas now famous speech on race when he was a candidate. Pete buttigieg was passionate. He got deeply personal, and as youll see toward the end, the remarks became pointed at a former governor of indiana, now Vice President mike pence. When i was younger i would have done anything to not be gay. If you had offered me a pill to make me straight i would have swallowed it before you had time to give me a sip of water. It was a hard thing to think about now. Its hard to face the truth of there were times in my life if you had shown exactly the things inside me that made me gay, i would have cut it out with a knife. People talk about things like Marriage Equality as a moral issue. Its certainly a moral issue as far as im concerned. Its a moral issue because being married has made be a better human being, because its made more me more compassionate, more understanding, more selfaware and more decent. My marriage to chastin has made me a better man, and yes, mr. Vice president , it has moved me closer to god. Speaking only for myself, i can tell you if me being gay was a choice, it was a choice that was made far, far above my pay grade. And thats the thing i wish that the mike pences of the world would understand. That if youve got a problem with who i am, your problem is not with me. Your quarrel, sir, is with my creator. Pete buttigieg has not announced his candidacy but his campaign has already raised 7 million, and he started telling supporters to expect some announcement of some big news this coming sunday. Coming up for us tonight a prominent immigrant wellknown to american audiences and readers has some surprising things to say on the state of immigration. That when we come back. Billions of bacteria, but life. Can throw them off balance. vo realign yourself with align probiotic. And try align gummies with prebiotics and probiotics to help support digestive health. clients voice remember that degree you got in taxation . danny of course you dont because you didnt your job isnt understanding tax code. Its understanding why that. Will get him a body like that. Move . That. Your job isnt doing hard work. Here. Its making her do hard work. And getting paid for it. vo snap and sort your expenses to save over 4,600 at tax time. danny jody. Its time to get yours vo quickbooks. Backing you. Last thing before we go tonight, Andrew Sullivan is a lot of things starting with the fact he often mentions himself. Hes an immigrant to this country. Hes a british born american journalist and author, and sometimes polemicist. Hes always thought provoking. Were proud to say hes been a guest on this broadcast. Its something hes just written in new York Magazine on the topic of immigration and the intersection of Democratic Party politics that is getting a lot of attention. Well invite him back on our broadcast to discuss it, but for now here are his words. And for reasons youll see they are causing a certain amount of hubub already. He writes, quote, another flaw is one that all the current democrats have which is that they are simply on the wrong side of the immigration argument. The core issue shaping western politics. The issue will be dominant again because of a huge wave of migrants, many of them rural guatemalans who are overwhelming the border trying to enter the u. S. At a current pace of 100,000 a month. Their ability to claim asylum under current law permits them to show up at the border, get admitted and processed by the Border Patrol and then released in the interior to reside here until a court date which could come up years later. The backlog in the underfunded immigration courts is vast with more than a million still in line for a hearing. Many of the migrants wont show up for a court date. Those who do can still resist deportation indefinitely. What this means is the u. S. Has now an effectively open border with mexico. And according to the American Bar Association the immigration system is irredeemably dysfunctional and on the brink of collapse. Repeating the democratic mantra that there is no border crisis will not work for much longer. The lesson from europe in 2015 is that a migrant surge fuels itself as word gets back home. And then White Nationalism takes off. We could, in other words, be in the mother of all immigration scares as the first primaries take place. We could have a million more migrants to grapple with. Currently no democrat has any response to this. The provocative words of Andrew Sullivan to take us off the air on a monday night. With my thanks to my friends nicolle and ali and steve for stepping in so that i could sneak away for a week, and so that is our broadcast for tonight as we start a new week. Our thanks to you for being here with us, and good night from nbc news headquarters here in new york. Tonight on all in the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned. A fullscale purge at dhs. That is a major event. As the president reportedly turns over immigration policy to Stephen Miller, and reportedly ordered the renewal and expansion of family separation. This administration did not create a policy of separating families at the border. Tonight, 2020 candidate Kamala Harris on Kirstjen Nielsens departure and what comes next. Do you dispute that separating a child from their parent will create and cause trauma . Then
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