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Suggested the administration put Business Concerns over the poor. What was bill clinton doing getting in bed with wall street and lowering Capital Gains tax. Getting 6 million poor Children Health insurance coverage. Rob ford lewd comments about female rival in the race for mayor. The comments are gross. The other allegation is summed up in these images they allege it shows ron ford smoking crack. Ron ford is not toronto. First up, developing news as a massive storm system wreaks havoc from the south all the way to new england. We start in florida where a deadly explosion may have an unexpected link to days of flooding. That explosion rocked the jail in pensacola where two inmates are confirmed dead at this point. Three are unaccounted for and another 150 are hurt. Its believed a gas leak ignited in the explosion, a leak that may have originated in a flooded laundry room. Family members demanded answers. How do you think family members are feeling and i see more than two body bags come out of there. Florida has seen historic rain with more than 2 feet of water over 26 hours. Its not just the south struggling with the weather. Up the east coast in maryland, rain washed the earth right out from under baltimore road. A lot of it collapses taking a dozen cars with it. People felt the earth move. The whole room shook. Couple of things fell in my room and when i came out, all of the cars was down. The cars just kept falling. This is the same weather that brought that deadly set of tornadoes to the south just days ago and it is not done yet. Nbcs Kristen Welker is in baltimore. Kristen, theres homes across the street and weve seen them there in the live shots youre doing. Are the people around this area safe . Reporter heres what we know. Fire officials capped the gas lines in the area so theres no potential of a gas leak. The residents here are still evacuated and not being allowed back into their homes. We dont anticipate that the city will allow them to go back home until they feel as though theres absolutely no threats. Heres what happened, last night this area got about 7 inches of rain causing that partial road collapse. It is believed. And what happened is a retaining wall, about 120 years old, ronan, it gave way, which allowed a dozen cars to fall 75 feet to the train tracks below. One of the things that is so disturbing about this, ive been talking to a number of residents today earn we also spoke to folks last night who have had a lot of concerns about this retaining wall that it didnt look sturdy and showed signs of cracking. We reported this a couple of times over the past several years and was told it was structurally sound and patched it up and let it at that. Weve been expecting it. Reporter now, we have reached out to city officials to try to get their reaction to these complaints from residents. So far we havent heard back. The one piece of really good news here, ronan, as stunning as this video is, there were no injuries. So far fire officials have removed three cars from those train tracks and they continue to clean up debris and no timeline for when this is going to be finished. Kristen welker, thank you so much for that. This hour a closed door meeting in oklahoma on the botched execution of clayton lockette. On the agenda, an investigation and possible litigation. He was injected with a new drug combination used for the very first time and died 43 minutes later of a massive heart attack. A full probe has been ordered. I believe the Death Penalty is an appropriate response and punishment to those who commit heinous crimes against their fellow men and women. However, i also believe the state needs to be certain of its protocols and procedures for executions and that they work. This is the American Civil Liberties union of ohio just asked the state to suspend executions in the wake of that botched lethal injection. Strong words from senator kasichs spokesperson, the governor supports the Death Penalty and takes his responsibility of implementing it very seriously. A convicted killer was given a lethal injection of a twodrug cocktail and he gasped for air and took 25 minutes to die. Joining me now to look at all of this is tonya green of the American Civil Liberties union. Weve been following with great interest your response to this. I want to talk about this case in oklahoma. His lawyer just appeared on air minutes ago. Heres what they had to say on this subject. Take a listen. Before any execution can go forward in oklahoma, we have to have full transparency on the process. We need a truly independent investigation into what went wrong on tuesday night, not an investigation conducted by the governors own people. My question is, with fallon demanding 14 days for this investigation, is that enough . It cant possibly be enough. The and first of all, the investigation should be truly independent. It shouldnt be the department of Public Safety and shouldnt be the department of corrections but independent pamgologists and experts who know the pharmaceuticals and know what needs to happen and what should be happening and are clear on how to assess that. You have to put that Team Together and you have to investigate what happened in this execution and you have to investigate what happened in Michael Wilsons execution earlier this year with a different protocol. Oklahoma at this point has a number of different protocols and drugs they are using and you never know whats next. One of the legal issues, they Wont Disclose where the drugs came from. Is there a basis for denial of information for families . The u. S. Constitution eight amendment guarantees right to be free of cruel and unusual punishment. Even in oklahoma you can look beyond oklahoma and in just oklahoma you had a number of botched executions. The right to be free of cruel and unusual punishment includes information that would help assess whether or not the punishment is going to be tore torturous. But so far it hasnt authorized torture, death by torture, which is whats happening. One of big questions. Take a look at what they had to say on this. The crimes are indisputably heinous and horrific. But its also the case that we have a fundamental standard in this country that even when the Death Penalty is justified it must be carried out humanely and everyone would recognize that this case fell short of that standard. Is kasich going to take political heat for this in light of the fact this has become a controversy up to that National Federal level . He shouldnt take political heat for this and other governors kasich is the governor of ohio. The governor of oklahoma should also put a halt on all executions until things are resolved and all states engaging in execution should halt their executions because right now we dont have any protocols in they states that we understand from the information that we have and we do have secrecy laws were dealing with in a number of states executing citizens and executing prisoners. We dont have a clear sense of whats going on in most states. And all states should halt executions to be able to determine you mentioned there are these twin prominent controversies and we know youre not directly involved in the ohio case for your organization but they are taking a big stand in that state. Do you expect this to grow beyond the two states . Absolutely. It should. There are states poised to execute still, missouri, florida, texas, and in some of those states we know what drugs they are using, some of them we dont and some of them we know what are the compounds and some we dont. This is chaos and not what lethal injection has been authorized to be. Thank you so much. Well see how that commanexpand. Up next, got a spare billion dollars . Get in mind and buy yourself an nba team. Oprah, puff daddy and Floyd Mayweather jr. In the bidding war for the clippers up ahead. meow mix jingle right on cue. laughs its more than just a meal, its meow mix mealtime. With wholesome ingredients and irresistible taste, no wonder its the only one cats ask for by name. My guests are nathan, which dish is better . Now i say you can have it all with our new seafood trios red lobsters new seafood trios is three times delicious choose one option from the woodfire grill, one signature shrimp dish, and a pasta like new lobster mac and cheese. 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Diddy and Floyd Mayweather, it is estimated it can sell for 700 million to a billion dollars. Do you think they are a damaged brand . Absolutely not. The controversy will give them a lot of buzz and fuel the interest. At this point nba alooking for partners that can be assets and not liabilities which is what Donald Sterling has been the entire time he owned the clippers. They have loomed largely in the shadow of the l. A. Lakers. They were show time and had pat riley and Magic Johnson, a long list of legacy historic players and the clippers havent had that. I think theyll emerge from this setback in a really swift way by having a owner that can step up and emerge and bring a sense of sizzle and players and fans. I do think the nba will move swiftly and bring in an owner that can really set this team back on course and make them a contender. I love to give props to sterling for anything right now but it is true when he acquired this team to right now, the team has gotten a lot stronger. Maybe this is an idea moment to turn a new page. Lets talk about the Oprah Winfrey estimated 2. 9 billion, would this be a smart acquisition for her with so much of her focus on harpo and own brand right now . I think it would be smart for the nba. What she does also is speak to women. She speaks specifically to a group of consumers that advertisers love. I think it would be very smart. We cannot deny oprahs business savory in build being brands. She is the best at that. Absolutely. What about Magic Johnson . He tweeted, to nba fans, i want to put a stop to the rumor, i am not trying to buy the clippers. They already have an owner, they may not soon. I dont see Magic Johnson buying the clippers for one reason. He has such an attachment to the lakers. He played with that team and very close to the owner and the bus family. I doubt seriously with him owning the dodgers that hes going to jump into the pool of contenders. What should the first order of bids be strategically . Strategically they have to come in and reinstill confidence of inclusion, making sure that league and the team specifically speaks to everyone and is very, you know, united i think in that sense. The narrative moving forward has to be one of exclusion, and has to be one where the nba restores the sense of family and not the devicive spirit that has been able to exist around sterlings ownership of the clippers. With everyone watching this team closely, it seems like an incredible platform for somebody. Stunning new details from the first report from the malaysian government about flight 370. We break it down for you next. R] this is jim. A man who doesnt stand still. But jim has afib, atrial fibrillation, an irregular heartbeat not caused by a heart valve problem. That puts jim at a greater risk of stroke. 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New recordings of what could be the final cockpit communication from that plane. Families of the 239 on board that plane are now being told to head home. The airline is closing Family Assistance Centers by may 7th saying we have to face the hard reality that theres still no trace of the aircraft and the fate of the missing passengers and crew remains unknown until this day. Tom costello is live abowith th latest. It gives us a timeline about the events. We knew the time line but it makes a couple of things crystal clear. Lets show you the timeline. To begin with at 12 41 a. M. , flight 370 departed cue allkualr and 1 19 handed over to controllers. 1 37 a. M. Controllers specifically starting with vietnamese began asking where is the missing plane, were looking for it never checkeded in with us. Not until 5 30 in the morning, four hours after they realize theres a problem did they activate the search and rescue center and call and begin a search effort here. I want you to know listen to the conversation between air Traffic Control and malaysian flight 370. It is very routine and that in and of itself is kind of interesting. Heres that clip. Malaysian 370 maintaining level 350. Malaysian 370. Malaysian 370 maintaining level 350. Malaysian 370. Malaysian 370 contact ho chi minh, good night. Good night, malaysia. The pilot said im at 35,000 feet checking in and cue all ll lum pur, got you, thank. Then handed you over to ho chi minh, air Traffic Control, contact them on the radio frequency, okay good night. Very standard conversation. Weve also now got the cargo manifest and this is also interesting it gives us a sense of what the plane was carrying and its nothing thats unusual. Kourier material, mail, that type of thing, fruit on board and then this consolidated cargo which included lid lithium ion tris. In this case on the manifest, cargo manifest, they make a very important point that it was all pack aaged according to standar and they note the flight risk but say they have taken the appropriate steps to ensure they are safe. Where does that leave us . It leaves us right back here at square one where were yet again looking for this plane. We know this flight went like this and came all the way down here at least that is what we led to believe. We still dont have any piece of debris, actually would have been more like this, still no debris whatsoever off the coast of australia and flight crews who have been searching the skies and also on pt sea have not found a single thing and the submersible submarine, thats redundant, hasnt found nothing. This is a mystery with nobody having an idea where the wreckage will be. Do you think this will do anything to aswaj the families so critical for the malaysian government for the handling of the information . I doubt it. The Malaysian Airlines today suggested that those families go home. Its been nearly two months. There still isnt anything and australians are saying the search could take six to eight months as they continue to try to find the wreckage. Families being told to go home to kuala lumpur or beijing. There is one more factor. The government of malaysia is saying this may be the time excuse me, to reconsider whether there should be Realtime Tracking of all aircraft in terms of satellite tracking, real time tracking at all times so that we dont have a situation again where a plane goes missing and nobody has any idea where it is. I know from our conversations with survivors, family members, theres a lot of hope that things will change for next time this occurs. Thank you for that report. Up ahead, a newly revealed email is putting benghazi back in the headlines and being called a smoking gun that links the Obama Administration to a coverup. 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In a House Oversight Committee Republicans said the email which was only released after a freedom of information act lawsuit is a smoking gun and should have been released with the rest of the benghazi material earlier. Documents from judicial watches which were pursuant to our request more than a year and a half ago show a direct white house role outside of talking points prepared by the intelligence community. The white house produced a talking points that ambassador rice used not the intelligence. Moments ago jay carney refuted that account yet again. Youve seen the Deputy Director repeatedly testify including last week that he produced those the cia produced those talking points and made the decisions about what ultimately would go in those talking points. And that he felt no political influence from the white house or anywhere else about what should go in, the talking points that were such a focus of conversation, the talking points that were provided to members of congress of both parties and by this administration to our representative who was going out on the sunday shows to talk about benghazi and Everything Else that was happening in the muslim world at the time. And Everything Else that was happening in the muslim world at the time may be at the heart of this matter. The white house maintains the email in question was about how to address the multitude of other middle east protests that were happening. Joining me now, is democratic strategy bob shrum and former cheney adviser, robert traynum. Thank you for coming back on the show, our favorite bobs. Robert traynum, how significant are these emails and do you think the right will be able to sustain the claim that there is political massaging about benghazi and the language is specifically talking about a range of protests happening . I think it is significant. If it wasnt, why didnt the white house release this email back in may with 100 other emails they released. When you look at the emails on the request back in may, heavily redacted and it was also clear about the emails is that they are really trying to then focus ambassador rice on the internet video and not necessarily the policy. Remember the context. This was seven weeks before the election. This was during the time where mitt romney was just about even in the polls just after the Republican Convention and the white house i assume was very concerned that the American People if in fact they knew the whole entire picture here, not necessarily the truth because we dont know what the truth is, the whole picture here they could cast disparaging thoughts. I do think these are important to answer your second question, ronan. I dont know how far this is going to go but the American People, not just republicans and democrats but the American People deserve the right to have all of the information at the same exact time and its questionable as to why the white house did not do that back in may. To your first point they are surrendering information about benghazi and they were saying this was specifically about the other protests which were sparked by the innocence of the muslims video. Does it seem it was inappropriate for the administration not to release this with the prior batch of emails . Im sure in hindsight they wish they would have but this is no smoking gun. This is a very standard kind of set of talking points that people prepare on the sunday shows. Theres one other point missed here all the time, not only is this about the whole wave of protests breaking out about the internet video across the arab world. Even if you were trying or believe mistakingly as it turned out thats what what sparked what happened in benghazi, thats not inconsistent with saying it was an act of terror, which is what the president said in the rose garden as we famously found out in his second debate with mitt romney. Do you think this is something talking point as conservative candidates go into this election cycle . How large will this loom on the campaign trail . It will be talked about all the time in republican primaries, its an obsession with a Republican Base and people have to cater to it. I dont think it has any impact on Hillary Clinton and the general election. She will run and be the nominee. Theres no evidence whatsoever either that she was involved in a coverup or alternatively that she made any of the relevant decisions about security in benghazi. Thats not what the secretary of state does. I will say when you get down to the substance underlying the particular furor, she went time and time again requesting security. Congressmen on both sides of the aisle made serious cuts and there was the question of what money you have can be put where. With this being a secret facility, a facility that wasnt listed as a formal embassy, a lot of resources that could have been in place werent there. Can i address something quickly . I do agree with bob 1,000 but not just benghazi. They are going to have the American Voter connect the dots and larger issue that the white house has a credibility issue not just on benghazi but also in reference to o many balance ma care. They say one thing in the white house but reality says something different. Its going to be a larger messaging issue about credibility or the lack there of. The strenuous links to oba obamacare in this conversation take your point but it was a pivot. Its a stretch. There are other issues that will loom large. Hillary clintons candidacy, one of the news beats on that bill clinton had fun defending his economic policies. Take a listen. I dont know how many times i have read from the left bitter criticism about what a slug i was to sign the balanced budget act of 96. What was bill clinton doing getting in bed with wall street and lowering the Capital Gains tax . He was getting 6 million poor Children Health insurance coverage. Clintons defense of that track record comes on the heels of players like Elizabeth Warren being populist and criticizing some of the clintons track record. What do you think, bob shrum . Can bill clinton turn around the perception he was too in bed with big business and wall street . Sure. Look, he maeld maeld a very vigorous case. If go back and look at quest on the 92 president ial campaign, there are memos published in the back of the book talking about the top 1 and the need to create fairness in society. Clinton in 96 tempered his rhetoric but the results are indeniable. Rose 20 than it did for the bottom 20 , passed Childrens Health insurance. 7 Million People were taken out of poverty with the earned income tax credit increase compared to 77,000 with ron add reagan. Elizabeth warren is for Hillary Clinton, there is across the Democratic Party a consensus that shes going to be the nominee and i dont think youre going to see a ralph nader effect. If he tried he has no credibility at all, that would strip votes away from her. Robert trayhnam, do you think the fact bill clinton is playing defense and live down the perception he was so pro big business signals a shift in what americans want from Economic Policy . No question about it hes playing to the current political winds. Lets not revisit history but we need to and that is the 1990s were very good to all americans out there for two reasons. Number one because bill clinton was in the white house from an economic standpoint and republicans were in the house and senate in 1994 and enforced this president more to the center on Economic Policy. A lot of people forget this, the 1992 tax increases that george h. W. Bush signed into law also helped as well. It was a combination of all three things that actually worked. The 1990s from an economic standpoint were very, very good and bill clinton should be proud of that. Trying to harken back to happy memories. Here. 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Were back and its time for this weeks underreported story. Today congress is the least productive weve ever seen in american history. Why is that . Well, one reason may be something you dont quite expect, gerrymandering. Many elected officials feel no need to compromise whatsoever because they live in districts rigged to be filled with constituents interested in reelecting them. New census numbers come out every ten years and that is when the redistricting map drawing process can be intentionally used to benefit a particular political party. Heres a example of a jagged and misshapen district, look at marylands crazy shaped Third District and North Carolina stretched out 12th district. That folks is gerrymandering. Former california congressman taucher was in office when an interesting solution was introduced to combat this problem and shes pushing for it to go national. She joins me right now in california. Thank you so much im sorry in washington. Your state is california. There and few other states theres this interesting solution of an independent commission to draw the district lines rather than governors doing it and having the chance of it being politically motivated. Why do you think thats so important . Thank you for bringing this up. Wherever i go, citizens walk up to me and say, why isnt congress effective . I say nonpartisan redistricting and look at me like i have lost my mind. So its very important to have the story out there. As you said in the zero year the census is done and then commissions or state legislators do redistricting. In california of 2008 we passed prop 11 which said our state legislature would be done by nonpartisan commission of 14 citizens that volunteered and couldnt use incumbency or Party Registration to draw the lines. Then in 2012 im sorry, 2010, we passed it for the congressional districts and thats why california has a real revolution of drawing lines in ways by these 14 nonpartisan commissioners that cause people to have to run for their seats and be held accountable. Thats the bottom line. Are democrats and republicans equal opportunity offenders here . Absolutely. But in our case in california, where we have a big democratic majority, we realize one of the reasons we have voter apathy and people coming out is because they thought these were rigged by insiders. Having 14 citizens that volunteered. There was a pool of 20,000 people and they have very strict rules on how they are meant to do lines and they are not supposed to use incumbency or Party Registration to do it but they are meant to keep communities together and make it a sensible way to be represented bid one person. Why dont you think more candidates speak out about this . I think its difficult while in office. Im relieved of the responsibility. Im out of congress now and left to become undersecretary of state and worked with you. Now i look around and say part of the reason that congress isnt effective is because if you win the primary in many districts then youre set. You dont have to run for general election because the other people didnt have enough people to defeat you. You cannot be held accountable and seat is not this is such a valuable testimonial for you. We want to keep coming back to this issue, something that affects basic democratic rights we have. Thank you very much. Gerrymandering was the last underreported story you wanted to know more about. Topics you brought up most this week, resegregation in girls and age theism on the rise. On todays rfd, the debate over black womens hair, part of the focus for this weeks call to action up ahead. 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They describe unauthorized female hair styles, corn rows and dread locks as unkempt or matted. In this letter to defense secretary chuck hagel their collective voice seems to have been heard. They are directed to review the. For most people with black hair naturally grows up and out, think of the shape of an afro, not down. Then for a doets of perspective that all hair grows the same way. The current policy is the equivalent of a black majority military telling its thousands of white soldiers that they are required to have dreadlocks or afros. Im down. Next week all week me, dreadlocks, please. Joining us for more perspective an internet sensation after uploading videos documenting her own hair journey. Thank you so much taran for being here. Im excited to be here. I guess my hairs up, huh . First of all, lets talk about these army regulations. Do you thing that comes from a place of prejudice or just ignorance . I would definitely say ignorance. Our hair is just very misunderstood. And i guess because its not the normal standard of beauty, its just i guess they feel its okay to just say, oh, not that way, this way. Because this is better. And i guess they feel like the women may not have an issue with it, but clearly it is an issue. Look, they have stringent guidelines for practical reasons. You have to be in the field. Low maintenance situations. These hairstyles allow weaves, wigs while banning cornrows and dreadlocks. What about in general . You talk about that place of ignorance. Explain for white people at home who arent acquainted with this issue, why is black hair such a central part of our cultural debate on this . Why is it even a divisive issue . It goes way back. So many layers, the standard of beauty. Weve been taught that its all about straight hair, long hair, the european way. When youre trying to evolve from that after its been embedded in you for years, its hard to move forward with that, especially if it still exists. Now were forming communities. A huge Natural Hair Community with our presence in just showing that its okay to be this way. And if you feel uncomfortable or if you make other people feel uncomfortable with it, thats okay, too, because theyll get over it. It seems like weve progressed. Lupita nyongo was named peoples most beautiful person. She said beauty was what i saw on television, you know, light skin and long flowing straight hair. But shes defied that. She has natural hair, a glamour icon. Have things changed for the better in the last few years . Definitely changed for the better. Nonblack people be more intrigued more so than kind of looking down. But i also notice that i live in new york city, so you can walk around with a tutu and a green sock and no one would care. But if youre like in mississippi, its different. Its different but its changing. Even with that change theres still a lot of prominent female celebrities who are black who wear wigs, who straighten their hair. Do you think those individuals are shirking an obligation to be a role model on this . I personally and based on my observations of being in the community, we would definitely like to see a lot more celebrities kind of represent the versatility at least, not necessarily change their style but show that i can do this, too, and its beautiful and im still doing what im doing and im successful. This is an issue that we see cropping up in schools a lot with school codes and kids getting kicked out of school. How does that affect the psyche of black americans growing up . It totally sets them back. Once it starts from childhood, its forever in you. So ive even had my own experiences with that. It definitely starts in the home. And the parents telling them that its okay to be different. Because its all about being different. Thats the issue. So when you stick out like a sore thumb in your classroom and people are making fun of you, you have to have a Strong Foundation and support system at home as well as the online community. I think online has changed everything. I grew up with black siblings including a black sister, and we were just talking about before we bumped in on the break. You cannot grow up with a black woman in your family and not deal with black hair issues all the time and the different phases of i dont want those big braids, now i want to relax it. All the hairs falling out and relaxer didnt work. A big part of existence because like everyone else youre growing up and you want to look cool and a lot of maintenance. You dont have that support system around the world. Your initiative in online communities have helped a lot. Theres a lot of Old School Way of thinking when it comes to the black family, im going to put that blue magic grease in your hair. So were still getting over that and were creating our own way and actually showing the older generation that this is fine. So its actually breaking away from old ways of thinking with the black community as well as the nonblack community. Its a lot to deal with. Oh, my poor white lady mom trying to make sense of all of it and doing those braids. I had a white swedish grandmother trying to deal with my hair, too. Whatever went into your upbringing, it turned out great. Our call to action this week focuses on the definition of beauty. Were asking you to answer a simple question, what makes you beautiful . Record it and send it to us. Get the message to us using the beauty. Well share more of your responses on tomorrows show. That wraps i thinks up for todays ronan farrow daily. You can catch my show 1 00 p. M. Here on msnbc. Time for someone who has flawless hair. Woke up like this. No, i didnt. Its really the ladies that do my hair and makeup. Have a good show. Appreciate it. 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