Several of the president ial democratic contenders courting one of, if not the crucial voting bloc for the democrats going into 2020, black women. I stand here aware that black women are not just the backbone of the Democratic Party but the bone that is making our democracy whole. I have plans, real concrete plans. Plans to make our government reckon with the legacy of racism and discrimination that has systemically disempowered black families and black women for generations. Well hear from those two bigname 2020 counties, mayor Pete Buttigieg and senator Elizabeth Warren later in the show about their plans to reach black women and ultimately defeat President Trump whos riding an alltime level of public approval. Even if the public doesnt necessarily approve of his presiding. According to the latest Washington Post abc poll, 47 of americans approve of President Trumps performance, up five points from april, but not reflecting whatever boost he was expecting from his soggy fourth of july spectacle this week. But even with that modest bounce, 65 of americans say that this president s conduct is unpresident ial, an improvement, if you can believe it. So lets start with unpacking those numbers and what they mean for the 2020 contenders looking to take the president down. Joining me now is kevin sirili, chief washington correspondent from bloomberg news. Kevin, i want to start with that new polling. Tell us how you read it. Its a slight bounce up in some areas but still says almost twothirds of americans polled feels that the president acts unpresident ial. Is this room at this point for some of the 2020 candidates . You know, absolutely. Thank you for having me, rev. I think two things. First and foremost, its no secret that americans have questioned the rhetoric coming from President Trump dating back to candidate donald trump for quite some time, but coupled with that the questioning of the president s rhetoric also comes with strong job numbers and an economy that seems to be doing well. Now, on friday, the department of labor reporting that there were 224,000 jobs added to the u. S. Economy in the month of june. Thats surpassing expectations. Waging continue to somewhat increase. So theres a Strong Economy that continues to keep moving forward, but then as you mentioned, i mean, theres constant barrage of tweets that folks, according to the polls, that they would suggest that rub people the wrong way. Now, does this suggest, then, that the democratic contenders who seek the nomination to oppose them next november would have to convince americans they can even do better with the economy and act president ial at the same time . Is that what theyre going to have to try to convince the voters of . You know, i think thats such a great point and i think when you look at someone like a senator Elizabeth Warren, democrat from massachusetts surging recently in the polls, shes been out there not just contrasting herself from a rhetorical approach with President Trump but actually putting out plans. We saw over the last couple of days that she put out that plan that she says would help boost wages and boost the economy for minorities as well as for women. She says that she would use the executive orders and the power of the pen, so to speak, in order to help stimulate that type of Economic Growth for factors at areas of the u. S. Economy that are underserved. You saw that on the debate stage. I was down in miami covering that first debate. When you hear from the likes of senator Elizabeth Warren or senator Kamala Harris, cory booker, the new jersey democrat, all of them are saying that most notably, senator harris, that the stock market isnt the metric to use on tbehalf of how well the u. S. Economy is growing, but when you look at folks who are having to work two and three jobs, for example, that is the type of messaging i think the democrats are really starting to hammer home on. And the issue of income inequality. Not just if the economy is doing well for shareholders, but if its doing well for folks on main street. Now, it seems from this poll that the president s dealing with dictators and despots like kim jongun and Vladimir Putin has not disturbed a lot of americans to the degree that weve heard a lot of the chatter. Does that mean the 2020 contenders ought to be focusing on pocketbook issues and the fact that they cannot give an unpresident ial appearance or even an embarrassing appearance while sitting in the office and not do a lot in terms of just dealing with the fact that he has clearly shown an affinity toward dictators and despots . You know, i was struck i wasnt really able to notice much of a difference from the 20plus democratic president ial candidates with the exception of Tulsi Gabbard on the issue of foreign policy. I think that all of the folks that ive been interviewing in the past ten days or so really taking e ining on the democr side really taking issue, revere reverend, with President Trumps dealings with iran and whatnot. Look, i also think when you look at the story of north korea, in particular, its much more of a geopolitical chess match to see how the president will, if at all, be able to bring to the table china and russia to some extent in order to denuclearize north korea. So i think the bottom line, when youre talking about iran, when youre talking about north korea, when youre talking about the middle east and whatnot, youre hearing with the exception of gabbard, youre hearing consistency from the democratic messaging about a new tone dealing with a commander in chief should a democrat defeat trump in 2020. All right. Kevin cirilli in washington, thank you for being with us. My pleasure, reverend. Joining me with the campaigners take on these latest poll numbers, democratic california congressman ro khana, also a campaign cochair for senator bernie sanders. Lets pivot to Vice President joe biden, congressman. He apologized this weekend, yesterday, in fact, for comments referencing a time of civility while working with segregationists in the 1970s, but what caught my ear is what he told me before he made the apology. Take a listen. Was i wrong a few weeks ago to somehow give the impression to people that i was praising those men who i successfully opposed time and again . Yes. I was. I regret it. Im sorry for any of the pain or misconception they may have caused anybody. And to the extent that anybody thought that i meant something different, that is not what i intended. It is and it would be wrong for anybody to intend that. Now, when i questioned him on a challenge, as you just saw, he said they were wrong, two weeks later he did apologize. Will this issue, in your judgment, and, of course, the Sanders Campaign, will this issue now be a closed matter and people move on . Or will people say why did it take two weeks and what did he mean referencing states rights in this whole controversy that, frankly, he inflicted by bringing this up himself . Well, im glad he finally apologized because he was pushed by people like you and senator harris and senator booker, but what i want to see are what are his policies . Does this mean hes going to speak about the racial wealth gap and embrace student loan forgiveness which would go to that . Does this mean hes going to support hr40 on reparations, understanding how important that is . Does this mean hes going to support a new standard of force for Police Violence . So just saying that he apologizes is a good step, but what really matters is what does he stand for . And we have a lot to hear still. Now, your candidate, senator sanders, did not come to essence. He has come to other gatherings including National Action networks convention. And he is slipping in the polls, according to all of the latest polls that has come out since the debate. How does that, in your opinion, affect his candidacy, if at all . And how will it alter, if at all, his strategy to sort of kind of deal with the fact that he might be losing some public support even among progressives . Well, reverend sharpton, he was in las vegas in nevada at a black church with dr. Cornell west. Thats why he wouldnt come. I know he wanted to come but he had a preexisting town hall where he was talking about mass incarceration and talking about forgiving Student Loans and free college and many other policies. His polls are still pretty strong. I mean, hes a solid second in the Washington Post, about 20 . Hes been strong in the reuters poll. I think he has a committed base. Its an energetic base. He was out in iowa just this july 4th week and he went to five different parades. Thousands of people are out to see him. So i feel good about his fundamental message and there are going to be ups and downs pop pem a. People are going to have their moments in these debates. Ultimately, he has the strongest grassroots base which is going to serve him well. Now, but other polls have miss harris have now gone into second place. I dont want to do a whole lot with polls because they change, but at the latest polls, hes not some of the polls are indicating hes not at a comfortable second. But let me ask you this, the question becomes, many thought that the contrast in this race would be former Vice President biden and senator bernie sanders. Senator sanders was not the one that went after the former Vice President on policy or other issues in the debate. In fact, it was senator harris and senator biden im sorry, senator sanders seemed to be sort of not on his game as some would say in terms of really confronting the contrast in terms of the issues why he should be the nominee and not Vice President biden if they were the leading two contenders according to the polls at that point, which has changed subsequent to that. Well, look, i give senator harris credit for taking on the Vice President. I think he showed guts doing it and she was rewarded in the reaction. But its a long campaign. Senator sanders thought that he wanted to use the first debate to lay out his vision for the country. Why tackling income inequality matters. Why hes been doing that his entire life. This isnt just a game of scoring points. This is his coherent vision for the nation. There are going to be 12 debates and im sure hes going to draw stark contrasts on foreign policy, on the war in iraq, on trade policy. Whos supporting nafta and who didnt. On the crime bill. Who spoke out against it and who didnt. As the campaign unfolds. But didnt senator sanders vote for the crime bill . He voted for the crime bill in 94. He did. Reluctantly. He did give two speeches against the crime bill and then when the violence against women act was added into it, he reluctantly voted for it but he was not the champion for it in the way the Vice President was. But the bill caused mass incarceration in the black community and other communities of color. Whether he voted reluctantly or not, the crime bill he voted for caused a lot of damage to a lot of people, particularly people of color. Youre not going to hear an argument from me about that, reverend sharpton. Obviously, it was a terrible bill. I do think if you look at 1994, who in the senate was speaking out against it, at least two versions of it, and who made the largest protest against it, his record would stack up very well compared to the Vice President s or others there. But i do think he regrets his vote. What is the Sanders Campaign poll sicy on dealing with the r gap in terms of business, in terms of the economic disparities, in terms of the unequal pay women to men, and black women to white women and white men . What is his policies . We heard Elizabeth Warren here on yesterday lay out how she would deal with executive orders in this area. What are the specific ways senator sanders would deal with the wealth gap and the economic gap and the economic disparities . I know hes having town Hall Meetings but what is he saying he would do as president . Sure. Well, he supports Elizabeth Warren in calling for executive action to have equal pay and understands that black women often have the brunt of the inequality. He also has called for student loan forgiveness. As you know, reverend sharpton, black women have the most student debt in the country. And that policy would help africanamericans significantly in reducing the racial wealth gap. Hes called for a Thurgood Marshall plan on education which would be targeted to historically black colleges and universities in terms of spending which would be targeted in paying teachers at least 60,000 in every School District including many poor districts that happen to have large black students. So he has a number of policies on education, specifically, that would target the wealth gap and he also has policies on housing. Hes talked about massive grants to firsttime home buyers and renters so they can have an opportunity, especially in red line communities, to have basic housing and a chance at the middle class. All right. Democratic congressman ro khanna of california. Thank you. Thanks for having me on. I just want to claire rify wi said about President Trumps latest yes, thaurnk you. Poll numbers. The woesWashington Post abc n survey show 47 approve or President Trumps performance. Coming up, mayor pete Pete Buttigieg is the latest 2020 candidate to make appearances at this essence fest. What he made of joe bidens apology and his plans to improve transparency after one of his white officers killed a black man in his hometown of south bend with his body camera turned off. Youre watching politicsnation. Bell rings its open hey. This is amazing. With moderate to severe ulcerative colitis, are you okay . Even when i was there, i never knew when my symptoms would keep us apart. So i talked to my doctor about humira. I learned humira can help get, and keep uc under control when other medications havent worked well enough. And it helps people achieve control that lasts. So you can experience few or no symptoms. Humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. 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Put j buttigieg has come under fire after a white officer in his Police Department shot and killed black resident eric logan while his body camera was off. Essence leaders, Michelle Ebanks, richard lou dennis, and i, made sure to ask the mayor about that, but we begin by getting his opinion after joe bidens apology for recent comments made about working with segregationists in the senate. Watch. I think it was a step forward. You know, when youre responsible for something, you got to own it. Its a quality that i think we should expect in our president s. Obviously, we dont have it in this president , but as we faced our own challenges with Racial Equity in our city, a number of areas where im proud of what weve done, number of areas where we have fallen short. Got to own up to that. And its important to accept responsibility for what needs to change. And i hope now the conversation can be a equity in our time because every candidate, frankly, especially white candidates, need to find their voices on this issue. Now, you had said to me privately when you called after the Police Killing of mr. Logan, and you said publicly at the debate that there were areas you fell short. That you didnt get things done with diversity in the Police Department and south bend, and things like the camera not being on. How that has to be dealt with more the body camera police. What have you learned in the process that as you have said taken responsibility, now what, what is the next step to show that once youve come to terms with your responsibility, where we go forward . So the biggest thing were finding is how important it is to empower Community Members to have a voice in the way policing happens in our city. And i think thats going to be important for Law Enforcement to be able to do their job as well as for communities of color to feel safe and to feel that they are enjoying equal protection. So part of what were doing is were making sure that we have a full review of everything from use of force policies with a lot of transparency, to the way these body cameras work. And whether there might be a change in that. Things like recruiting. We have undertaken efforts year after year to recruit more diverse complicaapplicants to t departme department, but we dont have the results to show that. We have to own it, face it. Its not just a south bend problem but im responsible for south bend getting it right. The other thing we learned is theres a nation full of people wrestling with these issues. City, mayors, activists, leaders, and we are opening up our data, opening up our policies for National Experts to weigh in and so, you know, when i look, for example, at your use of force policy, some cities have the policy written differently and they have less police shootings. Weve been working on this for years but we got to take it to a new level and my hope is even if its happening the hard way that this will elevate the conversation about something that people in every part of the country are feeling because that future that im trying to create, that year 2055 i like talking about, when id get to the current age of the current president , well be looking back in these years asking what this generation did to fix things, i want by then for us to be able to say without hesitation that the experience of a black or white driver, for example, when they encounter a police officer, is exactly the same. And that what they feel is not a sensation of fear, but one of safety. And we got our work cut out for us to make that happen. As we go to the panel, the last thing i want to bring up is that i took you to sylvias soul Food Restaurant in harlem and one of the reasons i wanted to is to openly deal with the fact that we have to deal with the remnants of homophobia still in our community. And in this nation. You have said from day one youre openly gay and married, and ive said whether people agree with your life or not, they have to judge you on the merits of your service, just like we want to be judged on the merits of ours. And as you are here at Essence Festival, this festival has always been one to openly welcome all of our community. Whether they are women, men, gay, lgbtq, transgender, because its all one family and i thought it was very important that you be here so people would understand that those that are still homophobic in our community do not speak for the majority of our community, even the faith community, we can understand wherever we fight for civil rights for anybody, we fight for it for everybody. Thank you. Have you had to deal with any homophobia during your campaign . Yes. Of course. Theres some ugliness out there. But the most important thing for me is to make sure that because i know something about one kind of exclusion, its not the same i dont know anything about what its like personally to be a trans woman of color, for example. Or what it is to be a woman in the workplace. Or what it is to drive while black. Thats not my experience. But because i know a little bit about exclusion, i also have, i think, something i can tap into to motivate me to look after others. My marriage exists by the most important thing in my life, my marriage, something that has moved me closer to god exists by the grace of a single vote on the u. S. Supreme court. And i know that that is there because people fought for me. Its one of the things that motivates me to fight twice as hard for womens reproductive rights knowing that i am not a woman. That motivates me to find a voice to have the conversations that White America needs to have with itself on the issue of race because i am not a person of color. Because i know so many people were there for me before i was even born and all through my life. My thanks to mayor Pete Buttigieg and to Michelle Ebanks, ceo of essence magazine and communications as well as rich lou dennis for that conversation. Well be right back. Ht back. The latest Charter School scandals are piling up. Leaders of one san Diego Charter network . Indicted for conspiracy and grand theft. Thankfully, the governors Charter School policy task force just made important recommendations for reform more accountability on Charter School spending. And giving local School Districts more control over the authorization of Charter Schools. Reforms we need to pass now. So call your state senator. Ask them to support ab 1505 and ab 1507. Essence fest 2019 closes out today after nearly a week of celebrating black women and all their contributions to art, business, and going into 2020, our politics. All week long, ive heard repeated the diamondhard fact that black women are the backbone of the Democratic Party and each of the democratic 2020 candidates that i spoke with this weekend noted that fact. Pledging to tackle the singular challenges facing women of color. They also made sure to mention the centerpiece of this years festival. Saturday nights headlining speech by former first Lady Michelle obama. Barack and i are going to support whoever wins the primary. Were supportive of everyone. We are giving advice to whomever seeks it. What, if anything, would you like to say about the kamala biden dustup . He apologized today. Youve been following that. Do you have any thoughts about that . I do not. Thats two things right there, first a reminder of the power of the obama brand, and how fondly many black women look on the first lady to actually look to them. And they liked her husband, too, by the way. But secondly, it was a tightlipped lifeline from the former first lady, an old friend who was nowhere to be found here this weekend. Ive known Vice President biden a long time. I like him personally and recognize his contributions to our nations improvement over the last 50 years. I recognize that he went before a heavily black South Carolina audience saturday and apologized for his comments about working with segregationists. Good for him on that. But heavily black is not predominantly black. And certainly not the largest gathering of black women in the nation. So i cant but wonder why having had his card pulled by senator Kamala Harris over those comments last month, a veteran campaigning very much on serving the first black president , would not go bold and engage thousands of black women voters he may have disenchanted at a most crucial time. This while at least angling for a photo op with his former first lady and our forever first lady because in his apology saturday, mr. Biden invoked his time as Barack ObamasVice President. That might work for some. I never said black voters were monolithic. But just as being black, a woman, or both, would not be enough to guarantee senator harris victory with women of color in 2020, Vice President biden would be well off to understand that neither will having famous black friends. Well be right back. Staining be done. And stay done through every season. Behr semitransparent stain, overall 1 rated. Stay done for years to come. 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Among those many plans are proposal to tackle wage inequality with executive orders. Punishing federal contractors with poor records on paying women of color. Equally to white men. Africanamerican women, in particular, making 61 cents for every 1 a white male makes. I and essence leaders Michelle Ebanks and Richelieu Dennis sat down with Elizabeth Warren to ask her about her bold moves, solidarity with black women and, of course, her most important plan to, one, defeat President Trump. Senator warren, you have laid out, and i might say from day one, specific policies addressing what is needed and how youre going to pay for it. And you have not shied away at all. In fact, youve aggressively addressed the race gap. Yep. Particularly, black women. This is the largest gathering of black women in the world, and the Essence Festival. What you are specifically saying to them is this 61 cents on every 1 white men get, you would close the gap with dealing with the wealth tax. Yeah. No. Weve got two parts. We close the gap. Start to close it on the very first day by using the power that the president , herself, will have. And heres how it works. We got a half a trillion dollars every year that the federal government does in federal contracts and its up to the federal government to say what the terms of those contracts are. And im saying on the first day, im going to say to every one of those federal contractors, were just going to sign an executive order. Its not enough to talk the talk about equal pay for equal work. Its not enough to talk the talk about the diversity of your workforce. You got to walk the walk or youre not getting those federal contracts. What about how do we guarantee access to capital to young black women or men that have been denied business loans, denied opportunities, that want to be entrepreneurs and that want to build businesses . So, i got a plan for that, reverend. I thought you might. I do. So here it is. We have a black white entrepreneurship gap in america, and that is that right now, its about twice as easy for someone whos white to launch a Small Business successfully than it is for someone whos black. And the principal reason is not that people dont have good ideas, not that they dont work hard, its access to capital, that original investment. This is not just about loans. Small businesses dont need more loans, man. Thats rocks in your pocket. Thats money you got to pay back. This is about capital. And in an america where the prin principal way of Building Health was home ownership, were still feeling the effects of redlining in the black white wealth gap and it shows up to create an entrepreneurship gap. Heres my plan. Out of that 2 cent wealth tax, ive also reserved 7 billion, which is what we need, to make the investments in blackowned businesses, womenowned businesses, close that entrepreneurship gap and level the Playing Field for everyone. 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Those totals for democrats pale in comparison to President Trumps fundraising totals. His Reelection Campaign and the rnc collectively raised 105 million for the Second Quarter and hes tens of millions of dollars ahead of where president obama was at this point in the 2012 reelection bid. Lets bring in my panel. Sher michael singleton, a republican political consultant and a contributing host for vox medias consider it and doug thornell, former Senior Adviser to the Democratic National committee. Before discussing campaign finance, i want your thoughts on what we heard in my interviews with senator warren and mayor buttigieg. Shermichael, lets go to you first. I think with mayor pete stated, dleerecognizing areas o shortcomings and faults and things that are ongoing in his city was very laudable, right . I think we can applause that. As you talk about the money hes raised, what it does indicate is just because you have backing from financial donors doesnt necessarily mean its going to translate to electoral support. This reminds me so much of jeb bush, rev, back in 2015, 2016, where jeb raised a significant amount of money but he wasnt quite able to translate those dollars into support, particularly with individuals within the Republican Party that he needed to propel his campaign forward. And so i think when you look at the numbers from mayor pete, particularly among africanamericans and also hispan hispanics, he is not doing very well. So while the money will allow him to sustain and, obviously, build that apparatus in necessary places, he has to figu figure out a way how to make a dent within those communities. As it relates, quickly, to Elizabeth Warren. I think senator warren who obviously has a plan for everything is obviously benefiting from figuring out a way to address some of the more critical needs of key constituencies key constituencies, excuse me, within the Democratic Party, such as africanamerican women, but i think one thing was missing, and that was africanamerican men who do vote on average between 80 and 90 with democrats like black women. I also think what she talked about, some of africanamerican women having access to federal contracts. My question to the senator would be what percentage of africanamerican women currently bid for those contracts . How do you propose making sure that africanamerican women are aware that said contracts do exist and learning the process of applying those contracts . I think as we listen to some of her proposals, there are some nuance questioning that i would argue should be asked to get more into those details. Doug first of all jeb bush was much more well known to the Republican Party than mayor pete currently is right now. So the 24 million he raised, hes got a long way to go to generate supoport of people of cull. But hes also an unknown commodity. Whereas jeb bush didnt have much room to grow. On Elizabeth Warren, she shows up at all of the events. Essence festival, to charleston for the black Economic Forum and shes been at a number of for78s focussed on issues important to people of color. Two, she says the exact same thing in front of white audiences that she does in front of black audiences and she has solutions and plans to issues that are and challenges that africanamericans and other people of color face and shes been talking about things like housing, affordability and redlining for years and years. The other thing id want to point out is shes got diverse staff. Shes not just shes putting her money where her mouth is. And she invested the money she raised in a robust staff, particularly in South Carolina and thats going to help her over the stretch of the campaign. Ive been impress would her. Es for i think both her and mayor pete did a fantastic job with it debate, along with Kamala Harris. But they both have a lot of ground to makeup against biden, against a sanders and a Kamala Harris when it comes to people of color support. Talking about biden, do you think the fact these hes apolo earer the fact it took two weeks to do so with many of us, including me, saying he should do it, that this was an offensive thing while the others justified it. Es for will this close it or will there be some lingering doubt among some voters, particularly black voters . I think if i could quantify it, i would venture to say a vast majority of africanamerican cans will not be bothered by this. I think you have a small majority who will. I do recall during that tiemt nbc had many reporters in South Carolina asking how they felt about what Vice President biden said at that time and many individuals sort of said they understood what he was saying, particularly older africanamericans. I think that does benefit Vice President biden. I think the speech he gave a day or two ago was definitely needed. He went throughout his history frrks the most part to talk about some things we know for a fact will continue to come up from bussing to the 1994 crime bill where he acknowledged it, he took responsibility for the fault and apologized. And i think thats what people wanted to hear. I think we saw a very different joe biden during those remarks in South Carolina than the joe biden on the debate stage and im wonder figure we rrer going to see a turning point. If this is the begin ogof the joe biden people say they remember from yes before and if so i think this is a turning point where many candidates need to have a wakeup moment where i think hell see his numbers can come back. Do you agree, doug or do you gree there will be continuing controversy saying he only did because people kept pounding on the issue . It will continue if his opponents continue to prosecute it against him. I think his apology was the right move. I think youve seen the Biden Campaign get back moving forward. They had great fund raising numbers. I think theyll point to the exchange with Kamala Harris where her position on bussing is somewhat questionable. At least thats what they tried to make the point in the media. I think his speech in South Carolina was strong. I think theyre probably feeling like this week is ending pretty strongly for him. And that theyre dusting themselves off. They had a rough week after the debate but this is a long campaign. Were in july. 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The hundreds of thousands that came to the Essence Festival this week, the other gathering throughout the year, National Action network and oth other gathings will mean nothing if we dont mobilize and organize in every community, not only black women but all women and all of the Lgbtq Community and all of every community thats concerned about the future of this country. Just last week the Supreme Court passed partisan gerrymandering. There is an assault on all that we fought for, for Voting Rights to civil rights to womens right to choose. You must be engaged. Whatever your candidate, whatever your leaning, youve got to come out and really vote. Thats the emphasis we leave new orleans with. No one said it better than the former first lady, we say forever first lady, michelle obama. Barack and i arent living our best life until were all living our best lives. But in order for us to do that, we got to be engaged and as reverend sharpton said before we came on stage the power we have as black folks, particularly as black women, the pow of our voice and our story and our narrative, you know we underestimate it because they want us to underestimate it. But im here to tell you theres nothing we cant do or change when we as a collective put our minds to it. We as a collective put our minds to it. It was thrilling to get a shut out from the former first lady and it will be more thrilling to get a turnout from voters of every generation and races to say what we have tried to build and must continue to in this country. That does it for me this weekend. Thanks for watching. Goodnight. This sunday immigration crisis