Hindery and congresswoman rosa delaura, appreciate your time. Thats the ed show. Politicsnation with reverend al sharpton starts right now. Good evening, ed, and thanks to you for tuning in. We start with breaking news on the terror siege in france. Three suspects are now dead. And a fourth is on the run. After Dramatic Police raids at two separate locations. Including heavily armed police storming a grocery market where an attacker held over a dozen hostages and killed four. [ multiple gunfire ]
the latest development, a stunning interview with one of the brothers who assaulted the magazine. He spoke directly to a french journalist while hunkering down in a factory that would be overrun by police shortly later. He claimed he was sent by a stop cleric with an al qaeda in yemen. Translator were just telling you that we are the defenders of the prophet. Peace and blessing be upon him. And that i Cherif Kouachi was sent by al qaeda in yemen, okay . Yes yes. And that i went there and thats its imageal alaky who financed me. And how long ago was it . It was a long time ago. Before he was killed. And late today, al qaeda in yemen issued a statement supporting the attacks in france. At this hour a search is on for this woman, who police say was an accompany of the Grocery Store attacker and anyone else who might be linked to these attacks. We have Team Coverage tonight on the manhunt for the fourth suspect. Details on the raid and the links to other terrorists. We start tonight with nbcs ron allen, live in paris. Ron, whats the latest . Well, reverend al just an incredible day and night here an incredible couple of days since that assault on the magazine on wednesday. As you know police have been on the hunt for the kouachi brothers for a president of time that began right after they found their escaped vehicle near the magazine. This morning we got word of a carjacking then a Police Gunfight with the brothers. Then a pursuit. Then the brothers holed up in a factory on the outskirts of paris near charles de gaulle. Hours later the assault at the Grocery Store, its down the street in that direction. The area is still, hours later, sealed off by authorities as they continue their investigation. Then the somewhat simultaneous assaults by police at those two locations. There must have been hundreds of officers involved in these operations heavily armed riot squads tactical police. They were concerned of course about the hostages safety but they were unsure during the course of the day exactly how many people were being held. We understand out of the factory, the two brothers emerged, open gunfire on the officers, the officers returned fire, perhaps killing them instantly and the hostages escaped behind them. At the Grocery Store, the hostages were apparently killed before the authorities launched the assault. We believe that at least four people were killed. There may be more. The authorities have not given a final figure. And perhaps as many as a dozen people were held during the course of the day. The big unanswered question tonight, are the whereabouts of the woman suspect, who was an accomplice of the hostage taker at the Grocery Store. We were unclear if she was on scene or not. Ron, we cannot confirm we dont know whats happened with her is the short answer. So we do not know where boumediene is, whether or not she was in the store or not, we do not know. We dot not know that at all. All we know is that she was listed her picture was put on a wanted poster essentially, circulated by authorities earlier today. Its the first time we heard about her. We know she had a relationship
with Amedy Coulibaly, the man who took hostages at the Grocery Store. Im sorry. Its been a very long day. But we dont know her whereabouts. Shes considered armed and dangerous. I have to believe she may not have ever been at the Grocery Store. Because the police did a thorough accounting of the people who were taken out of the Grocery Store, the hostages. So again, just one mystery. And the search goes on tonight. Well we dont know if anyone was in with Amedy Coulibaly, but we do know that four people have died. Youve been doing a great job all day, ron. Weve been watching you all day. Really great reporting, thank you so much for your reporting tonight, staying with us. Now, let me bring in jim arc diaz, and hes a former department of defense
counterterrorism analyst. Joining us also Jim Cavanaugh, retired atf agent and msnbc analyst kevin coleman. Nbc terrorism analyst, evan coleman, thank you too for being here. Jim, whats your reaction to claims about al qaeda in yemen . Well i sorry, reverend al. The fascinating thing is that theres been this claim of responsibility. What does that mean . We know that these guys traveled to yemen probably in 2011 time frame. They learned how to fire weapons, how to execute an attack and plan an escape route. Then they went back to france and stayed in france and went about their daily lives over a period of the next several three or four years. They probably picked the target on their own, the timing on their own. They probably built their own finance networks, even though
one of the brothers have mentioned financing by al awlaki. We dont know yet. So when we say al qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula has claimed responsibility for the attack its important for viewers to know that someone in the al qaeda in the Arabian Peninsulas headquarters did not call up the brothers the day before the attack and said okay now its time to put this in motion right . Its also worth noting we should take this claim of responsibility and verify it over the next several days just to make sure. Evan the claim of al qaeda, that the kouachi brothers were connected, financed. Even though did i notice in that interview, he said yes a long time ago before he was killed. So theres some distance and time. Though clearly trying to firm the connection. Your read on this. If you look at the actual
claim of responsibility. Whats interesting is whats not in there. Thats nothing in there that aqap did it. Theres a claim and its an official claim, and it appears to be from an official spokesman. But they dont say, we did it. They say congratulations to the mujahideen who did it. There are folks on twitter who are suggesting that we directed it or we coordinated it. But they havent gotten out there. We have to see whether or not they do what they did with the underbomb plot. Within a day or two of that failed plot they put a photo of him at a Training Camp in yemen evidence that she was there, directed by them. Even that is not enough to suggest that everything was planned by aqap. But at least then we have some knowledge that the claim is credible. I dont know if we know a hundred percent whether its an endorsement or really a claim of responsibility. Now jim, you have big experience in man hunts. Tell us how you view how this
ended with the kouachi brothers. Jim cavanaugh. I think that the French Special operators here did an excellent job, really cant be done better than this. No hostages killed on their entry at the jewish grocery and hostage rescued at the printing office. Now we have some wounded officers as well we havent heard their condition, but it was a textbook operation. They waited until the two brothers were separate from the hostage. That was the commanders advantage. He made the decision he read it right. They also moved on the grocery, knowing likely that the guy at the grocery would know through media, through texting, through cell phones in the grocery, that the operation had occurred. So excellent move and its not so easy to do all the time. You cant expect it to always come out this way. Sometimes you can do the best you can do and all the hostages can be slaughtered. So its unfortunate we had four
killed, but it looks like that was on the initial entry of the terrorists into the jewish deli. Let me ask you this evan are we dealing with a large cell, or could there be more . When you hear coulibaly who is saying that he is the one that did the grocery, that he knew the brothers and we have connected boumediene to several hundred calls between the wife of one of the kouachi brothers and her. So they knew each other. Are there others . Is this a cell . I mean isnt this a large concern now in france . Well, certainly you look at this and they appear to be all connected. Initially they were all arrested as part of a terrorist plot to try to free arguably frances most famous terrorist who was in prison for the 95 metro bombings. You look at mr. Coulibaly, when he did his purported interview on the radio from this kosher shop, he said that he was affiliated with the islam state. He brought up isis and al qaeda which doesnt not only do they hate each other, but actually the person that put out the statement on behalf of aqap this person was just viciously attacked by isis in the last few days. They called him a clown, a dejen rat. Its very difficult to understand why someone if theyre so closely coordinated would mix up isis and aqap. Its a rookie mistake. No doubt theres a network, but how closely these folks were working together we dont know that yet. Jim, al qaeda what are your questions . Weve seen so much today. A lot going on. What questions do you have in giving your expertise . What remains unanswered to you . Well certainly the big one hanging out there is where is the woman. Where is boumediene. We have to know french authorities are looking for her whereabouts. Were going to have to get into the apartment or house where the brothers lived and go through their cell phones and their computers and their belongings. Were going to have to go through coulibalys belongings and cell phones and discover exactly as we were talking about, the idea of how big is this network. Are there any more operatives out there. Is there any other reason to be immediately concerned . Thats probably the case for the next 12 to 24 hours, to make sure the immediate threat has been neutralized and that we can proceed with further investigation. And then above and beyond that, the question becomes, how do we solve this problem . France has an amazing difficulty assimilating muslims into French Society because its a secular state. This is also pervasive throughout europe. And to think that we are going to be able to solve this problem just through hard security is a
fools errand. We dont have the time and resources and manpower to do this. We have to talk about sustainable Democracy Institution building abroad development, employment, economic aid, all of these things that will help regions where terror cells can develop and train, become prosperous so that quite frankly, they have other things to do. Jim if youre saying we cant do it with just training and military, how do we do it . Its all of those things. Its education, economic development, its building our Democratic Institutions like free press and free elections. We live in the United States of america, and we are used to immediate results. We want things to happen overnight. This demands a sustained engagement over years, decades, for a very long time. And gradually building isnt that the problem . That something happens, we all get along, we react then and the moment passes. We go to the next story and we
dont continue to do the things that jim arkedis is doing. Until the next problem, situation, attack, and we react all over again . Thats right. Youre exactly right. And jim is right on that point, spot on. And so is evan when we talks about it as well. And we dont listen to these terrorism experts. Look one big thing that glares out in this paris attack on Charlie Hebdo is that terrorists are trying to get religious bona fides trust that they are protecting islam by striking out at people that insult the prophet. These guys are not religious people. None of these actors that are dead now, were raised as religious people. They were not at all. If you looked in their backgrounds and read about their backgrounds. Yet they want to be seen that way. We cant let them do that. The world cant let these guys be seen that way. The west needs to speak out. The muslim world needs to speak out, and they do. We all need to speak out and isolate the terrorists. They are not the greater population of muslims and thats something we dont take to heart in our comments. We call them the Islamic State. Why do we say that . That could be stopped with a directive from the president. Al qaeda 2. 0, but nothing like islam. Please stay with me. Still ahead, new photos of the female suspect. Where is she . And is she getting help to stay on the run . And just how real is this groups link to al qaeda . Also inside the raid the secret of how the French Police took out the killers. Mmm mmm mmm mm mmm mm mmmmmm here we go, here we go here we go. Fifty omaha set hut losing feeling in my toes nothing beats that new car smell chicken parm you taste so good nationwide is on your side mmm mmm mmm mm mmm mm mmmmmm
Hayat Boumediene bum bum. Coming up shes the fourth suspect in the paris terror attacks, where is she . Theres a massive search to find her. And were getting new photos of her just in to msnbc. More on that next. With the incredible fuel efficiency of 38 milespergallon highway you can feel like royalty in the nissan altima. Now, get great offers on the 38 mpg highway nissan altima. Nissan innovation that excites. [coughing]y tomo dave, im sorry to interrupt. I gotta take a sick day tomorrow. Dads dont take sick days, dads take nyquil. The nighttime, sniffling sneezing, coughing aching, fever, best sleep with a cold medicine. Were back with our breaking news, the massive search to find this woman, seen here in photos obtained by a french newspaper. Investigators say shes the girlfriend of the man who took
hostages inside a Kosher Grocery today. Hes now dead. Theyre both suspects in the death of a policewoman in paris yesterday. And officials trying to figure out if there was anyone else involved. Joining me now is Christopher DickeyForeign Editor for the daily beast. Acy parits former cia counterterrorism analyst and evan coleman is back with me here as well. Thank you for being here. Thank you. Thank you. Christopher, what do we know about this woman . Is it possible that someones helping to shelter boumediene right now . Oh i think almost certainly she has somebody sheltering her and helping her out. I dont think that weve seen the end of this cell at all. We may have seen it end as an active terrorist cell, but in terms of support, i think theres more than wed like to admit, or more than the french authorities would like to admit. Theyve put a lot of people in jail for questioning already. Nine or more people over the last cloids because they see this as an extended network. I imagine that Hayat Boumediene has a few friends someplace who will help hide her out. Now, these are photos that weve obtained of her in some kind of training. And shes shown in these photos with her boyfriend, Amedy Coulibaly, who is now dead and who did do the Grocery Store attack and had hostages and has a record of violence. Let me ask you, aky, whether you
feel after seeing and hearing whats going on today that were dealing with an extensive cell or whether this is pretty much winding down. Well, thats the Million Dollar question or the million euro question. Are there other people . Obviously there are all kinds of when you carry out an attack like this, you have all kinds of friends and confederates who can help you out. So where is miss boumediene . Nobody knows. Had she been caught we would have heard about it in the press by now. So that means she has friends, people trying to help her out, perhaps cars et cetera, et cetera. So the fact is that the police think that she might be armed and dangerous, means that she is a real threat to society at this juncture. So who is actually out there helping here we dont know and thats what the french authorities are trying to crackdown on right now. And evan when he raises that yesterday she and her
boyfriend were suspected of killing a policeman. Today he did this. So if shes out there armed, theres cause for serious concern, if not fear. Conventionally there was this idea that female jihadists were supposed to stay home and take care of the family. Thats not the case anymore. Weve seen women jihadists go to different conflicts, including pakistan syria and elsewhere, and pick up a gun. An American Woman was killed fighting in syria with a jihadist faction. So its not that unusual right now. As a result, its a possibility we have to consider. Another thing we have to consider she wears the nick ob. One of the questions, is that going to help her conceal herself . Sore that going to be a problem . Because thats a sensitive issue in france. Is she going to be able to use this to conceal her just so the viewers are clear, meaning that if they suspect someone that has that
it is sensitive to ask them to remove it so they can see if in fact this might be boumediene. Its a hugely sensitive issue in french. Its hugely sensitive amongst muslims in general. Chris, go ahead. Evan its not just sensitive in france its illegal for a woman to wear the nick ob in france. You can sometimes see women from the persian gulf shopping at prada wearing the nick ob, but out in the streets where Hayat Boumediene may be shes probably not going to be wearing the nick ob. I imagine shell be dressed completely in western fashion. So its illegal to wear this chris is telling us. Let me go back to you, a minute to you aky, the suspect inside the grocery market called a french tv station. Listen to what coulibaly told them. Translator are you linked to the two brothers who carried out the Charlie Hebdo operation . Yes, we coordinated to carry out the operations. Are you still in contact with them . Have you recently been on the phone with them . No. In what way did you coordinate . Are there other events planned . Is there a scenario youre carrying out together . No. We only coordinated at the start. When they started Charlie Hebdo, i started with the police. How much coordination do you think there was between him and the brothers . There might have been some coordination. Evan had a great turn of phrase. The fact that coulibaly said he was with the Islamic State whereas the brothers said they were with aqap shows this is i think you said something along the lines, that this is a rookie move. We know the Islamic State and aqap really hate each other and theyve killed dozens if not hundreds of each other members over the course of the last year. And so the fact is that maybe this person had some sort of relationship, and was motivated or inspired by the events. Its still unclear. And the french authorities are still trying to figure out what exactly their relationships are. Thats why you have to capture their cell phones their computers, see if there was any email or cell phone traffic to link these two or three these includes together. Christopher, let me ask you, 1 to 2,000 french citizens have gone to iraq and syria to fight. About 200 of them returned to france. Could there be others of this group out there in france right now . Yeah i think there definitely could be. I think people dont understand how deeply the roots of the kouachi brothers go into these networks of jihadists. If you go back ten years, they were already involved with going to fight in jihad. When we talk about what was happening ten years ago, we make it sound like Cherif Kouachi was
just smoking dope and decided to maybe do jihad and was sort of on the fringes of everything, but that isnt really true. His group, the group that he was involved with they sent people who died in flauj. They had three members of his group died fighting in iraq. One of them was a suicide bomber. Others were jailed trying to get there. Really it was a pretty dense Group Ten Years ago. When he was thrown in jail his mentor was a man who had plotted to blow up the u. S. Embassy in paris. When he got out of jail he and Amedy Coulibaly tried their best to free the most infamous terrorist in the country. So hes part of a network that has been involved with a hell of a lot of stuff for a very long time. I dont think these are not lone wolves. These are not newly discovered jihadis. These guys are veterans and they may not have been the most
competent veterans in the world, but they were some of the better connected ones. And they were radicalized before the cartoons came out. They were radicalized before the latest israeli campaigns in gaza. These folks were radicalized a long time ago. The beginnings of their radicalization process didnt happen this year or last year. What brought them to aqap or isis or whatever they are, the answer to that question they are to be found in the offices of Charlie Hebdo. Theyre unfortunately probably more likely to be found in the communities that these kids grew up in and where they went from being a pizza delivery man to being extremists. Which goes back to your point, aky, saying we have to get into their house, their environment, their surrounding to really drill down to find out not only the roots of their being radicalized, but keys to whether or not theres a more extensive cell and more people that are involved that could be
just as dangerous and could be moving forward. Absolutely. One of the issues that you sort of talked about before is this returning foreign fighter problem in france but remember, if you travel in western europe you can get around without an i. D. So you have hundreds of returning fighters from france from germany, from britain, from the netherlands and belgium and elsewhere, who have the ability to move through countries, through National Borders very, very easily. So just because you are a french citizen doesnt mean that you cant actually commit a terrible crime in belgium, which happened in may, when four people were murdered at a Jewish Community center by a french citizen. One of the issues that we really need to focus on is cooperations, intelligent cooperations between france and belgium and other places. Across National Borders. And europe for a variety of reasons, whether its Civil Liberties or privacy issues,
have not fully integrated their intelligence cooperation to stop things like this. All right, Christopher Dickey and acy perits thank you for your time tonight. Evan coleman, please stay with me. Thank you. Ahead, were learning new details about the terror raids today. And will we see changes in fights against al qaeda and isis . More of our breaking News Coverage ahead. Your moms got your back. Your friends have your back. Your dogs definitely got your back. But whos got your back when you need legal help . We do. Were legalzoom, and over the last 10 years weve helped millions of people protect their families and run their businesses. We have the right people onhand to answer your questions, backed by a trusted network of attorneys. So visit us today for legal help you can count on. Legalzoom. Legal help is here. [upbeat music]
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store store. He and four hostages were killed in a siege. At this hour a massive search is under way for a fourth suspect. This woman who is seen in these newly released photographs with a cross bow. Were learning new details about the police raid that ended these standoffs with the brothers. A person hiding inside the building was sending text messages. He remains stuck inside. But the gunmen were unaware of his presence for almost three hours, he communicated with police. Back with me jim arkedis is Jim Cavanaugh and also joining us former fbi profiles and Hostage Negotiator clint van zandt. Clint, you were a Hostage Negotiator. Have you ever seen Something Like this someone inside texting information . Well yeah i have al. Ive seen Bank Robberies that ive gone to before where tellers have hidden inside closets and the bank robber doesnt know theyre inside. So it does happen. In this situation, it looks like the police thought the bad guys the two brothers knew they had a hostage inside initially. And now theyre getting the texting information. They dont want to reveal that they know somebody else is in there. So it was kind of a cat and mouse game that they played until all of a sudden the two brothers made a decision they were going to assault. What makes that clear, al is that normally Jim Cavanaugh and i have done these things many times before. Normally before you go in you throw a flash bang two, three flash bangs and then you go in and shooting if you have to. But when you look at the print shop where the two brothers were you hear gunfire first. Apparently the brothers come out, start shooting, then the police throw a couple of flash
bangs, and they take the two brothers out. But then they do just what they had to do al because they knew another situation was going on. They knew the third terrorist said im going to start killing people if you dont let the two go. So they made a decision weve got to go weve got to go right now, and they went ahead and pulled the pin. And now i use pull the pin, thats an interesting phrase because all three terrorists, al, had hand grenades. At least the two brothers had a rocketpropelled grenade, and they had sticks of dynamite. One can only imagine had they loosed those grenades, rpg, or dynamite, what a terrible blast that would have been and how many more hostages or gign troopers would have been killed if they got a chance to use those. Jim, we also learned at the Grocery Store, Police Reportedly hacked into the shops internal
tv system to monitor the gunmans action during the siege. Watch him react as he saw his name spread across the media. How much could this have happened the police in their raid of the store . Oh it helps immensely. No question about it. You have eyes and ears on the target. The fascinating thing about this raid, the two guys in the printing shop, the kouachi brothers said earlier in the day they were prepared to die like martyrs. Yet they managed to take their own hostage in order to perpetuate their own lives and then had their accomplice take over hostages in the Grocery Store and said let the other guys go. And so these are some of the amazing Unanswered Questions that have unfolded throughout the course of the raid. Jim cavanaugh, what can authorities look at now inside the Grocery Store . Well certainly its a crime scene. You know you had four People Killed initially when they went in. So theyll be looking at that. Clint mentioned, did he have hand grenades, other weapons, rpgs, they want to know what he had and where did he get it. Likely leely coulibaly at the Grocery Store was killed pretty quickly by the special operators. He didnt have a chance to get the hostages. Like clint said when the two brothers came outside, they were pretty quickly dispatched by the special operations team. They didnt live very long. They wanted to be martyrs and they were put on the express train to hell pretty fast. So luckily the hostages all got out. That is Exceptional Police work. Exceptional police work on the part of the french authorities. Clint van zandt and thank you for your time tonight, jim arkedis arkedis, and Jim Cavanaugh, please stay with me. Thank you. Still ahead, al qaeda in yemen claims it directed the
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of the standoff where the attackers earlier today. Thank you for being here tonight. Richard, what do you make of this news from yemen . Reporter well, there have been a lot of information over the last several days coming out that was pointing toward yemen. What we didnt have was confirmation. The first clue was the attack itself on the satirical magazine a target that al qaeda in yemen had identified. Al qaeda in yemen specifically said it wanted the editor of that satirical magazine killed for insulting the muslim Prophet Muhammad. That was an indication but not proof because there are many islamic groups that have similar emotions. Then we heard about one of the two brothers traveling to yemen and being specifically trained by al qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula in 2011. Trained for months u. S. Officials said. That an even clearer indication, but then today, one of the others cherif in a phone call that he actually made during this hostage standoff, he called he received a call from a french journalist now, richard, let me play reporter which was recorded let me play a little of that and i want you to tell me what you make of that. I want to play part of the phone call that one of the kouachi brothers made to this tv station. Were just telling you that we are the defenders of the prophet. Peace and blessings be upon him and that i, Cherif Kouachi was sent by al qaeda in yemen, okay . Yes, yes. And that i went there and that its image al awlaki who financed me. And how long ago was it . It was a long time ago. Before he was killed. Okay. And now theres only you and
your brother here . Thats not your business. But do you have people behind you . Thats not your business. What do you make of that conversation, richard . No one knows al qaeda and knows the operations around this whole terrorist these terrorist cells better than you do. Reporter well, thank you for that, but it is quite a stunning conversation. You dont hear conversations like that very often. I cant think of a similar one, in fact where you have a militant holed up during a hostage situation, talking to a journalist, and, one, taking credit for the murder of 12 journalists at the satirical magazine on wednesday, and then explaining why. He said that he was from al qaeda in yemen. He said that he was specifically sent on this mission, which was financed by these are his
claims anwar al awlaki. Anwar al awlaki is the late anwar alaki was one of their top recruiters, a u. S. Citizen killed by an american drone strike in 2011. He seemed quite calm on the phone. He seemed like he wanted the world to know who he was and why they were doing it and that they were doing it in his explanation, to defend the Prophet Muhammad from being insulted by this magazine and he said he did not consider that an act of murder. Richard engel, nbc news chief Foreign Correspondent in france tonight we thank you for your time. Well be right back. Good job still running in the morning . Yeah. Getting your vegetables every day . When i can. [ bop ] [ male
announcer ] couldve had a v8. Two full servings of vegetables for only 50 delicious calories. Back with me now, jim arkedis, jim caff nowvanaugh and evan coleman. Where do we go from here . Its a tough one. Anwar al awlaki is not the proper target for a drone strike. He was killed four years ago. The question is why did it take so long for these folks to follow what apparently they were given the orders to do. We will continue to take out Senior Leaders of aqap, but theres no guaranty were going to stop them from engineering things like this. Theyre not just encouraging people to carry out terror
attacks, theyre putting out directions. Heres everything you need. Heres all the targets that we want you to hit, this is way to hit them go out and do it. So if even if you took out aqap that philosophy, that lonewonderful philosophy is still out there and its available and specifically put out there in in english. Part of the problem, we have to address this from two different sides of the equation. Certainly we have to fire drone missiles at targets in yemen, but lets also try to focus on taking away the glamor of joining these groups. Taking away the attraction. So longterm, shortterm jim, im hearing. But lets not forget we still have a very active investigation and a pursuit by french authorities looking for Hayat Boumediene, the young lady who was the girlfriend of coulibaly
who did the attack of the policeman yesterday and of the hostage takeover today. Shes still out there. We have conflicting reports whether she was in the store or not. So in the backdrop of all of this, theres still somebody at large that could be very dangerous. Yeah absolutely, no doubt. So shortterm, longterm. The shortterm is going to be how long is boumediene going to be able to stay on the run . The french intelligence services, as weve seen today and over the course of the last 20plus years, when theyve had an islamic terrorist problem in france, they are very, very good at what they do. You cant keep your thumb on every single terrorist all the time. But now that they have an active target, they will use all of the mechanisms and tools at their disposal. I also want to pick up on a point evan just raised talk about a third aspect of it. Where do we go from here . We have to make sure that we are deploying economic aid. We have to make sure that were helping build institutions of
democracy. We have to make sure that were helping people in the islamic world get educations. These are active things that American Foreign policy can help with and that we should do and we should want to have the United States be active in the world, to try and solve some of these problems over the longterm. We cant expect that everything is going to be taken care of overnight. We really need to have an internal gut check as a country to say you know what weve been fighting this problem for over 15 years, all the way back to gosh 1996 and the towers 1998 and the east africa bombings. Obviously september 11th and bombing in yemen of the uss cole. So we have to have some internal fortitude and say, everything that weve tried so far, most bee based on hard power, military drone strikes, theres certainly a time and a place for that, no question. Also, we have to be looking at some of the soft power tools of our Foreign Policy and National Security to make sure that were
addressing this problem at its root. Now, let me ask you, Jim Cavanaugh, america, we have Police Chiefs all over the country that are looking at this. I mean we went through ft. Hood and other things. What are you hearing that Police Chiefs in this country are saying thinking . I mean whats the reaction . Well Police Commanders are always looking at this. Listening to people like jim and evan, telling us whats going to happen next. But they watch this closely. I can tell you the tactical officers and commanders have watched every second of whats going on here. Theyll get briefings from the French Police eventually and through the fbi and other Law Enforcement authorities. They want to know what happened every step of the way. Theyll study that. We did that after mumbai and after the kenyan mall. Everybody wants to know what happened so they can counter it. I totally agree with what jim said. One of the weakest things we do
as a nation and really as a world, to counter the terrorist narrative. We got the hardware the navy the air force, the drones, we need to do that on that front, but we dont counter this narrative. We have a 50person unit at the state department. Thats not near enough people to start to counter the narrative of these guys for recruiting im going to have to leave it there, but i think you are touching on where we have to go a combination of things. Let me thank my panel. Well be right back. I have a cold with terrible chest congestion. I better take something. Theraflu severe cold doesnt treat chest congestion. Really . New alkaseltzer plus day powder rushes relief to your worst cold symptoms plus chest congestion. [breath of relief] oh, what a relief it is. Your moms got your back. Your friends have your back. Your dogs definitely got your back. But whos got your back when you need legal help . We do. Were legalzoom, and over the last 10 years weve helped millions of people protect their families and run their businesses. We have the right people onhand to answer your questions, backed by a trusted network of attorneys. So visit us today for legal help you can count on. Legalzoom. Legal help is here. Mmm mmm mmm mm mmm mm mmmmmm here we go, here we go here we go. Fifty omaha set hut losing feeling in my toes nothing beats that new car smell
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