Election is bursting into view. Today tea Party Senator ted cruz implying republican jeb bush would lose if he ran for the white house in 2016. Jeb has not declared his candidacy. I like jeb. Im going to let him decide if he runs first and let the primary voters make a decision, but i will say this. We need to learn from history. We need to look to history, what works and what doesnt. If we run another candidate in the mold of a bob dole, or john mccain or mitt romney, millions of people will stay at home on election day. If we run another candidate like that, Hillary Clinton will be the next president. Senator cruz taking a swing at jeb bush and exposing the radicalism that the gop has been desperate to hide in the midterm. In 2014, republican candidates are as extreme as ever, even if they pretend not to be. In iowa, tape just surfaced showing gop candidate joni ernst in 2012 saying she carries a gun to defend herself from the government. I have a beautiful little smith wesson 9 millimeter and it goes with me virtually everywhere. I believe in the right to sdfd myself and my family, whether its from an intruder, or whether its from a government. Gop candidate Corey Gardner has been claiming he didnt really support a personhood effort to ban abortion, despite the existence of videotape like this. Mr. Gardner . Thank you, i have signed the personhood petition. Ive taken the petitions to my church and circulating it in my church. I have a legislative record that, ba up my support for life. In georgia, david perdue is trying to run as a moderate, even while he brags about outsourcing. You made a career out of outsourcing. How do you defend that . Defend . Im proud of it. This is a part of american business. Republicans can run from their extremisextremism, but th hide it. Its a problem for them in 2014, 2016, and beyond. Joining me now are Dana Millbank and jason johnson. Thank you both for being here. Hi, reverend. Thank you. Dana, we have to start with ted cruz and jeb bush. Is this the basic gop split, extreme versus moderate, in the public view . Or maybe its extreme versus more extreme. Its interesting he was saying jeb was the model of a bob dole or mitt romney or john mccain, as opposed to the model of his own brother, george w. Bush, who won the presidency twice. So i, i think this is just an early shot across the bow. Theres little secret that ted cruz would like to run for the presidency. The republican electorate, the primary electorate has gotten it right and said were not going with the most extreme character, even though they flirt with each possibility along the way. Ultimately, they go with the most electable one. If theyre going to beat Hillary Clinton, they have to come up with the most electable one, and chances are thats not ted cruz. Jason, i see you nodding. What do you say to this . Ted cruz came to the right conclusion, but for the wrong reason. In there was a bush against a clinton, clintons going to win. We have better memories of the clinton years than we do of the bush years. The last time the republicans ran someone for president who portrayed themselves as a moderate, he won. George bush said he was compassionate conservative. It was bob dole, mitt romney, john mccain talked about the conservative bona fide. Republicans need a moderate to go up against Hillary Clinton. A conservative will lose badly. You know, talking about infighting, dana, in an interview with the washington post, gop congressman paul ryan hinted he might run in 2016. And he took a jab at his potential rivals who are in the running. All over the place theyve been going to early primary states, he said, quote, i dont feel the need to be out there, putting my toe in the water. I dont see the point in it. Its not fun, and i dont think i neat to. I already know a lot of people in these key states well. They call me up, so i dont feel the need to have to chum. What do you say to that . Now look at where Chris Christie is going in the next five days before you answer. Hes traveling to 19 different states. Is paul ryan taking a dig at republicans like christie who are way out in front of the 2016 primary . I dont know if hes taking a dig so much as hes saying, this is his own way of dipping his toe into the water without having to actually go through the trouble of racking up all those air miles. Paul ryan has been a bit reticent saying, his future is going to be in the congress. So this is a significant shift for him. This republican field is very crowded and it doesnt really have any sort of a dominant figure. You can sort of picture the seven dwarves scenario here, although it seems like were going to get rather more than that. Jason, lets get away from the smoke and the tv ads. Look at six gop candidates in key races. Lets deal with real policy since theyre just five days away. Look at these positions. All of them oppose raising the federal minimum wage. All of them support repealing the Affordable Care act. All of them support banning abortion or placing strict limits on it. These are all candidates for the u. S. Senate, all six of them. Is this an agenda that can win in a National Election . Reverend, youre exactly right. I dont think this is an agenda that can win in a National Election. It only wins in a local election when you dont talk about what you actually stand for. I think a lot of these republican candidates have managed to do the lipstick on a pig move, im going to put on a nice suit, use different language and no ones going to realize im in favor of personhood and have no interest in raising the minimum wage. You can do that here. But in a president ial campaign, you cant hide from your record, and thats going to be hard for any republican running for president. In these critical, National Policy issues, this defines a lot of where the party is. Can the party win in a National Election, with these kinds of representatives in washington . Well, thats the thing, reverend. When you cited there does not put them out of the main stream of the republican party. Theyll fit right in. Whats going to be interesting now, if they do take the senate, theres going to be a lot of pressure to bring up all of these pieces of legislation like personhood bills. Now, of course the president will veto them, but that will establish much more of a contrast that, in a National Election, in 2016, democrats will be able to say, this is what is going to happen if theres a republican president. Hes going to start signing this stuff. So it creates a real contrast and thats why theres some argument that having a Republican Senate right now creates a stronger position for democrats in 2016. So, jason, as we are seeing all kinds of people, including us out saying, get out in vote, this is a very, very well defined election, because its almost no mid ground here in terms of clear positions on very serious policy issues. Right. Look, most people if theyre paying attention to this election, they know what these republican candidates are standing for. They know what these Democratic Candidates are standing for. The real issue is going to be, can people, will people turn out to vote . Not only do we have clear choices on policy. But we have a clear choice on effort as well. Some of the things in ferguson, missouri, and what happened in florida, should remind people to not just vote policy, but vote on the local level as well. Your district attorney, your local sheriff, these races are important as well. Its not just national. Its local as well. Dana and jason, thank you for your time tonight. Thanks, reverend. Thank you, reverend. Coming up, Chris Christie is responding to this. You want to have the conversation later . Im happy to have it, buddy. But until that time, sit down and shut up. [ cheers and applause ] plus, the ebola nurse defies her quarantine, going for a bike ride. What do you think about it . And the king comes home. Lebron james is back in cleveland. Why its bigger than basketball, and bringing a whole city together. Ever since darryls wife started using gain flings, their laundry smells more amazing than ever. sniff honey, isnt that the dogs towel . dog noise hey, mi towel, su towel. More scent plus oxi boost and febreze. Its our best gain ever why do i cook for the to share with family to carry on traditions to come together, even when were apart in stuffing, mashed potatoes, gravy, and more, swanson® makes holiday dishes delicious its a fresh approach on education superintendent of public instruction Tom Torlaksons blueprint for great schools. 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Instead, he made it harder for communities of color to vote, by restricting early voting and voter reg slation. Tillis even led the effort to pass the type of stand your ground laws that caused the shooting death of trayvon martin. Tillis was deeping involved in voter restrictions and he was leader of the house when the state passed its stand your ground law. But heres how one conservative group responded. Have you heard this racehustling kay hagan ad . Probably not. Because theyre not running it on this station. Desperate to hold on to power, obama, reid, and hagan, are shamelessly racebaiting. Theyre accusing democrats of racebaiting, but thats not compared to what were seeing now in texas. Ron nittin ski is a republican running to be Dallas County judge. Its a democratic district represented by congresswoman Eddie Bernice johnson. Heres what nittin ski said last year about congresswoman johnsons supporters. They dont want to motivate her voters. We dont need another 5 or 10,000 of her people to go to the polls. We want to them to think, theres no reason, she doesnt have an opponent, ill go to the Grocery Store or whatever on election day. Its hugely offensive. But beyond the racially charged rhetor rhetoric, one things clear. Hes afraid of black voters turning out. If they do, hell lose. So will lots of other republicans across the country. Joining me now is congressman emanuel cleaver, democrat of missouri. Thanks for being here. Good to be with you, reverend. Congressman, you know, we rarely hear gop politicians talk openly like that, saying they want minority voters to stay home. Doesnt that show just how important turnout really is . Absolutely. In fact, i think thats one of the great encouragements to African Americans. If we will allow many of those individuals who are clearly trying to suppress the vote, speak more openly and clearly and give them opportunities to do so, i think that were going to have a good turnout. If you look at the turnout in North Carolina, for example. Just to the sunday voting, 53 African American and 40 white. Now the goal is not to have more black people vote than whites. The goal is to create a democracy where everybody votes. One of the great tragedies of this moment in history, in the worlds leading democracy, we have people actually trying to reduce voter participation. And thats the great shame. And its being done even more shamefully on the basis, in many places, of race. Now, congressman, traditionally, we see a big drop in voter turnout among blacks in the midterm. Take georgia, for example. In the last two president ial elections, more than a million African Americans voted in the state. But in 2010, that dropped to about 741,000. We saw similar dropoff in North Carolina. What can we do differently this year . Well, you know, i reached on sunday at a church of god and christ. One of the things i said to a black and white congregation, if you become angry at something, vote. You dont have to do anything stupid. You dont have to do anything dumb. Just go out and vote. I think if people understand what is at stake, theyll go out and vote. If they understand that the minimum wage will not be raised to 10. 25, should be about 15, if they dont go out and vote. If they understand theres no way were going to be able to eliminate Interest Rates in college loans, theyll go out and vote for people who will. There are many issues that impact the whole community, but in some instances, the people who are the poorest, are going to have the most negative impact on them. So i dont think theres anything wrong with saying, get out and vote. And for example, im right down the street from ferguson, missouri. And i said to people there in churches where i preached in ferguson, you know, if you dont like whats going on here, if you dont like things that have happened, that there are no African Americans on the city council, get out and vote. I dont see anything thats racist in that statement. Not at all. Were seeing some interesting numbers from early voting. New york times found that black voters have made up about 27 of those voting early in North Carolina and georgia. But this past sunday, as you stated, they made up 53 of all voters. Doesnt that show how effective souls to the polls drives can be. And thats exactly why theyre opposed to it. You want to talk about injecting race. African americans are connected almost insep reably to religious institutions, to their churches, as both of us, our lives have been committed in that direction. So if thats going to get people out to vote, why not have souls to the polls in every state in every city, so that we can maximize the american democracy. I think, if you look at the reality of this, that would be a reason to just have holidays on tuesdays when we have voting. Or we get the greatest turnout in the United States on sundays, then lets have sunday voting. Whatever it takes to maximize democracy, so that we can boast around the world that the United States, the leading democracy, has a huge turnout of voters. That means that they have embraced democracy. And we are, in this country, trying to suppress it. And most of it is done on the basis of race. Well, i think mr. Nattin ski down in texas answered that last point, congressman. Thank you for your time tonight, emanuel cleaver. Good to be with you, reverend. Still ahead, think Chris Christie would apologize for telling a protester to shut up and sit down . Think again. His response is next. Also, spin cycle. 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Its not just candidates on the ballot this tuesday, all across the country, people are voting directly on key issues. Washington and alabama will both be voting on gun measures. Colorado, north dakota, and tennessee have abortion rights on the ballot. Connecticut, missouri and montana have important Voting Rights issues at stake. And five states will be voting to raise the minimum wage. In arkansas, over 70,000 voters came together to put minimum wage on the ballot with a petition. Now, thats democracy at work. And there are important initiatives on the ballot in michigan and maine to protect animals. Heres a tv ad that Animal Rights activists are running about inhumane bear hunting in maine. Some viewers may find it disturbing. Caught in cruel traps. Suffering for hours. Some bears even trying to chew off their own limbs to escape. Eventually shot at point blank range. An execution. Do you want to end this cruelty . These animals may not be able to speak up, but we can make our voices heard for them with our votes. Joining me now to help explain these ballot measures is wayne parcely, president and ceo of the Humane Society of the United States. Whats at stake with the bearhunting issue in maine . In your setup, you mention at the Ballot Initiative process has been used to drive reforms on a whole range of issues. Thats certainly been the case with animal welfare. Weve outlawed cockfighting in three states, the use of steeljawed traps, extreme confinement of animals that weve spoken about previously. This year in maine, theres a measure to stop three bearhunting methods. The use of bait, where people put out jelly donuts and other food and shoot the bears while theyre feeding. Second is releasing packs of hounds to chase the animal and terrorize the animal and shoot it out of a tree at pointblank range, which is the moral equivalent of shooting an animal in a cage in a zoo. And third, trapping of these animals. Maine is the only state in the nation, 32 states allow black bear hunting. Maine is the only one to allow all three of these practices. Were urging a yes vote to end these practices of killing animals for trophies. The people who are saying vote no, theyre saying its about controlling the bear population, that its a Large Population and its a nuisance. Thats part of their rhetoric and fear tactics. Thats the way theyre trying to frighten people. Remember, i said, of 32 states of bear hunting, maine is the only one to allow all these practices. Somehow the other states are managing their bear populations without resorting to these unfair and inhumane practices. Lets go to michigan on another issue of animal safety. There are measures on the ballot about wolf hunting there. Only 650 wolves remain in michigans upper peninsula. Wayne, what are you trying to get accomplished in michigan . Well, wolves just got off of the federal list of endangered species. And just as they got off, the state pushed a trophyhunting season to really persecute these animals. No, no one hunts wolves for food. If someone is shooting a deer or moose and eating the meat, thats one matter and thats a pretty big tradition and its pretty defensible. But just saying wolves attack cattle and farmers are upset about that, do they have a point . You can already control any problem animal. Under existing law, you can kill an animal threatening cattle or public safety. This is about trophy killing, killing animals for no good reason. Maine and michigan, its very interesting. On the ballot, president of the humanine society, thank you for your time tonight. Great to see you again. Thanks so much for having me on. Up next, Chris Christie defends his smackdown of a heckler. Its classic christie, youll want to hear this one. 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Ive been here and done the work when the cameras werent here. [ applause ] so im glad you had your day to show off, but were the ones who are here to do the work. So turn around, get your 15 minutes of fame, then take your jacket off and do some work for the state. All youre doing is flapping your mouth and not doing anything. If you want to have the conversation later, im happy to have it. But until that time, sit down and shut up. Sit down and shut up. He drew a lot of criticism today about his temper. David axelrod even calling out his soprano approach to politics. Today the governor was stumping in new mexico for Governor Martinez and he was asked about it, and his response, which he posted on a youtube page this afternoon was this. If you give, youre going to get back. I love having [ applause ] [ inaudible ] but if someones going to stand up and i ignore them for a while, and they continue to be rude and talk over me and other people, then im going to engage. And thats what the people of new jersey and in the country, have some respect for me. I dont look forward to it, but i dont shy away from it either. Its just another day at the ranch, rancho christie. He said he doesnt look forward to doing that stuff. Whats your take, does he like it . Its hard to watch those clips, they still enrage me. But with that said it enrages you . It makes me angry. But i didnt know he posted it to youtube. When i heard he posted that clip to youtube, it makes me wonder, whats he possibly trying to see Chris Christie the bully come out . When you get chris mad, you might have lost the whole country. I think this is what we expect from Chris Christie. It doesnt surprise me. Hes not going to win governor of the year, the kinder, gentler award of the year. This is what people expect had Chris Christie. I dont have a problem with what he said, perhaps how he said it is a bit much. Theres no need to be rude to get your point across. Now hes on the national stage, or hes trying to go there, will this play nationally, and how do you say sit down and shut up . Does he say sit down sit down and shut up is sit down and shut up. [ laughter ] my issue is the way he said, im just engaging. Youre not engaging. Youre talking down to people. Engaging is having a dialogue. If youre going to be running for president , that is something an example of somebody who wants to be running for president of the United States of erk ma. Thats not engaging. And hes the only one that has the mike. So you cant hear what the other person was saying. Why do the youtube . Was he apologizing . Was his people advising he walk it back . Because they posted this on youtube. Was this his way of walking it back . I think it was his way of invigorating that base that loves to see that. So he was digging in. He was digging in. Im saying his point, i agree with his point. The way in which he conveys his point is completely inappropriate. And heres the thing, he might one day be our president. I dont want to see our president crack like that. He wasnt talking down. He completely cracked. Theres no reason why at that level you should be able to behave like that. You know theres going to be hecklers, be prepared. Let me move on to maine where the ebola nurse kaci hickox is defying her 21day quarantine in a rather interesting way. Just take a look at this scene. She decided to forget the quarantine and take a little bike ride. And she was joined by a swarm of reporters. I mean, is this a circus or what . She stopped to talk as she rode back home. Theres no legal action against me. Im free to go on a bike ride in my hometown. What does this add to the court order . I dont know. When you find out, you tell me. How did it feel to be out on the road . It feels amazing. You plan to go out again later today . Well see. Did you talk about no, i didnt. Ted and i just said we want to go for a bike ride. So here we are. Is that something that you do often . We do. Thank you, guys. I have to go speak with the Health Department now. You were she of released earlier this week from the weird tent governor christie put her in in new jersey. She was released on the condition that shed selfquarantine at her own home in maine. But despite having state troopers stationed outside her home, and threats of arrest, shes out for a ride today. The state is reportedly seeking a court order to force hickox to remain quarantined at home. This afternoon, governor paula page weighed in. I dont want her within three feet of anybody. What happens if she does . Is there any legal ramificati s ramifications . Lets put it this way. Im going to use the Legal Provisions to the fullest extent that the law allows me. And i just hope that she recognizes that. Im just asking her to be reasonable, lets get to november 10th, and then you can do whatever you would like. Midwin, some confusion about this. Can she be arrested for leaving the house . Somewhat yes and no. I think what governor lepage is saying there, he does have legal authority, as well as the thrg to protect the wellbeing of the people of the state of maine. However, that authority is not broad. One of the problems that i think the state governors that are endorsing these mandatory quarantine and isolations, is that the science has to support it. If ebola is not transmitted from someone who is not showing any symptoms, then you cannot necessarily, by law, keep them in this sort of mandatory quarantine. I think thats one of the issues that the courts are going to look at. Yes, theres a risk here, but how risky is it . When you look at the fact that Thomas Eric Duncan was in an apartment with his family and girlfriend for four days after he showed symptoms and they did not get ebola, so there has to be facts when you curtail someones civil rights. I think the science is very clear here. The only thing thats difficult for me, shes trying to represent how, or to express how considerate shes being, within her rights. This is a big civil rights issue for her. Im going to expend my civil rights and this is the way im going to do it. It rubs people up the wrong way. People were really on her side, and doing Something Like this, i can it can divide a lot of people. Seems to be a lot of passion on both sides of this discussion. I think we dont have the science figured out around ebola. There are a lot of question marks. With craig spencer, the doctor in new york, i wish he had a mandatory quarantine for 21 days, i didnt want him going bowling and riding the subway when he may have had ebola. But hes not contagious at that point. [ all speak at once ] the science is clear. And you can tell because only one person has died from it. [ all speak at once ] this is not airborne. I think staying at home for 21 days these days is not that bad a thing. If she wants to call me, i can tell her some great netflix shows she can watch. But youre not the watch being forced to do it. There is a Civil Liberties issue here. The debate im hearing is Civil Liberties, but also do you consider the fright that people are legitimately feeling because we dont know that were convinced of the science. This is a life or death disease. I think if people can die from a possible disease you may be carrying, just stay home. Well, i think, rev, i agree with you. The science is very clear on this. What youre absolutely right in saying, there is a lot of fear out there. The American Public still remain unclear. At that time, i think its great if she were to abide by the quarantine, as inconveniencing as it is, and let the science speak for her. All the scientists are saying, quarantines are ridiculous. Maybe the bike ride was a little bit too far. And isnt midwin, a lot of it is that people dont trust what were being told what the science is . People dont trust what theyre being told about the science. But they should look at the facts. Thomas eric duncan, if those people who lived with him, did not get ebola, after he exhibited symptoms. And had he been treated, he likely would have made it, according to a lot of experts. There are some questions with respect to the level of care he received compared to the other people who have come down with ebola. But i think those are the facts people should focus on. And i dont think this woman civil rights should be curtailed because people are scared. Civil rights are supported and backed by the constitution of the United States and we shouldnt think of them as being whimsical, or what have you, or bend them when we dont have the facts to support and carolyn, are we not setting a legal precedent for other things if we dont deal with the civil rights of this matter . Im not a lawyer, but i think its a fair point. Maybe this is we got a lawyer here. But in terms of wanting to get out there and exercise your civil rights, yeah, she did the right thing on that score. Whether or not it was the right thing politically, if youre looking at this from like a broader level, im not sure it was the right thing. But i back the Science Behind this. Shes totally fine. Shes taken two ebola tests. Both are negative. People need to calm down. She was on a bike ride, she wasnt like in a gym or restaurant eating. Remember, its not airborne. Agreed. But she was on a bike ride. But as reflected by the three of you, it is really something that has a lot of americans divided. And some holding opposing views within their own minds. Absolutely. And i can understand that. I think when you look at the fatality of this disease, it is scary. I think over 50 of the people who contract this disease do die, but we have always encountered diseases that people have died from. Aids was deadly as well, but we didnt quarantine im going to ask you to hold on. We have breaking news. Accused cop killer eric frein is in custody, and has been captured by Pennsylvania State police. Confirming it, state Police Moments ago, say frein is accused of killing one state trooper and injuring another in early september. Frein was accused of shooting those officers on the 12th of september. 48 days ago. He is now, according to state police in pennsylvania, been taken into custody and has been captured. Again, frein in pennsylvania has been captured by Pennsylvania State police. They confirmed he is in custody after a massive manhunt of 48 days in pennsylvania. Let me bring in jim cavanaugh. Hes on the phone and jim, what can you tell us . Whats your reaction to this news . Well, its kind of like you, reverend, im relieved for everybody up in pennsylvania and certainly the state police. Theyve done a great job in this. Theyve caught him and hes alive, thats positive as well. And no troopers or agents killed, apparently from what were heard. Nobody seriously injured so far as we know. I think its great Law Enforcement work all around. Of course there will be a trial now and hes captured, so there will be a trial for the murder of corporal dix on and the wounding of the other trooper. So its a big step forward and a big relief. Youve run a lot of man hunts before, how did this one strike you . Because it took a long time, 48 days, several sightings, and it wasnt over a huge area. How does this strike you how this was done . Well, you know, rev, we talked last week on politics nation, i think, about it. The key is that people in the area are working with you, theyre on your side. When you have a case like that, and you have community support, going to catch him. The key element in this thing was the Quick Response by the police and the deputies to set up a roadblock right when the killing of the trooper occurred and to bring in the helicopter right away. Those two things, the roadblock where frein had to turn around, and the helicopter where he thought he could see him and turned out his lights, caused him to drive his jeep into the pond, which wasnt in his plan. He likely planned to slip away without anybody knowing who he was. But the other side of that, doesnt it raise questions as to how someone that thought they were going to get away could escape for 48 days . Are there things that Law Enforcement are going to study to make sure this doesnt happen again, where someone could be at large that long . Thats right. Its very difficult. Youre exactly right. I think the key would be to pick this guy up before something spilled out of his mind, or leaked out of his plan. Because once he hits in the woods up there, its pretty difficult to find him. You take so much manpower, like it did in all these days. This could have ended in more death and tragedy. So its a very successful, patient operation. You know, justice is going to be served. Hold on a minute, jim. I have former fbi profiler Clint Van Zandt also on the phone. Clint, youre hearing this news that it has been confirmed by Law Enforcement that frein has been captured. Hes in custody, eric frein. A Senior Source said he was caught in a hangar at the pocono mountain airport. Frein was not in a public area of the airport, and as we know, he was wanted for allegedly shooting two Pennsylvania State troopers, killing one. Your reaction. Well, i was just listening. Youre talking to my good friend. He and i have been in the trenches in a number of these situations. So we know what its like. And youve reported on these for years, al. Two things strike me. Number one, we remember eric rudolph, the socalled olympic park bomber. This guy stayed a fugitive five years. And as you recall, he was apprehended dumpster diving about 2 00 a. M. In the morning by a local Rookie Police officer. Well, where he was hiding, al, was up on a ridge top where he could look down on the strip mall. But he supposedly, some people suggest, had help from locals in the area. They supported what he was involved in. Unlike this particular situation, nobody can support somebody whos killed a Law Enforcement officer in this case, and i think it goes to the tenacity too of Law Enforcement. People were suggesting hes in miami, sitting in a beach chair, watching this on a television. Hes laughing at these things. And Law Enforcement said, you know what, we have an area, were going to search this until we can prove he left the area, as far as were concerned, hes still here. And they stayed at that. It cost them 1. 2 million a week to keep this search up. But they got their man and as you say, they got him in a matter of, you know, a couple of months, not five years. So i think we learned from the eric rudolph case, and as you suggest, Law Enforcement will digest this, dissect it, theyll look at it, theyll understand how he avoided apprehension, and well learn from the next one. Gentlemen, hold on a minute. Well take a quick break and well be back. Again, eric frein has been captured, wanted for shooting two Pennsylvania State police, one dying. After 48 days, he is now in custody. Well be back with more news on this right after this. I lost my sight in afghanistan, but it doesnt hold me back. I go through periods where its hard to sleep at night, and stay awake during the day. Non24 is a circadian rhythm disorder that affects up to 70 of people who are totally blind. Talk to your doctor about your symptoms and learn more by calling 8448442424. Or visit my24info. Com. The ultimate arena for business. Hour after hour of diving deep, touching base, and putting ducks in rows. The only problem with Conference Calls eventually they have to end. Unless you have the comcast business voiceedge mobile app. It lets you switch seamlessly from your desk phone to your mobile with no interruptions. Ive never felt so alive. Get the future of phone and the phones are free. Comcast business. Built for business. Were back with breaking news. Eric frein, who has been at large for 48 days, since september 12th, has now been captured and is in Police Custody in pennsylvania. Wanted for shooting two Pennsylvania State police, one fatally, and he is now in custody. He was captured in a hangar at pocono moun airport. He was not in the public area of the airport. Lets go back to you, jim cavanaugh. Seems like this was a very complicated, intense manhunt. It was not easy, but they never are, jim. No, theyre always difficult, reverend al. Just like clint outlined, the Law Enforcement study it, learn the lessons from it. Not only are the citizens relieved today, but all the families of all those thousand Law Enforcement officers that were working to find him are relieved. They dont have to worry about their loved ones at least tonight, being injured or killed by eric frein. Theyll have to go back to their duties in the next couple days, so it never ends for Law Enforcement. But this particular risk will be over. A great relief and a great job. And the trial to ensue. Pennsylvania showed that it has good police. It has people that support whats going on. So its all positive to have frein captured. Isnt that part of the point, clint, that we must always look at the human side . The family of the officer that was killed, and how they feel tonight, as well as the family of the wounded officer. And the families who had to keep their Children Home from school. I mean, sometime behind the headlines, the human factor in this, the anxiety, the fear, we sometimes do not stop and think enough about. Well, you know, al, if you think notwithstanding the loss of human life and the money thats been spent every day looking for him. Its the Economic Impact on that area. I mean, hunting season was canceled. People were going up to look at the fall leaves. They were told not to come up. Motels, restaurants, everybody. Everybody took a hit. Its almost like a terrorist walked into the area and set an explosive device off or something. Because it stopped commerce in that area from taking place. So i think theres going to be a collective sigh of relief that hes in captivity up to and including this guy who alleges that hes been confronted by police over 20 different times because hes an eric frein lookalike. No longer does he have to be under that. But i think jim makes the good point. This guy is going to have to stand trial. No more can he play the games. People have said, why hasnt he shot anybody else . And i said, i dont think he has to. He did what he wanted to do. Hes playing out this sophisticated, reallife paintball game with real bullets. He doesnt have to necessarily shoot anybody else. But in so many of these cases, al, that youve covered, you see they end in suicide. Yes. Or suicide by cop. In this particular case, hes going to have to stand trial and a jury of his peers, and be responsible. Hes not going to hide, hes not going to be a hero. Hell turn out to be what the state police call him, which is a coward. A lot of fear in that community, jim. A lot of apprehension. And now as youve said and clint reminded us, now a trial. He will stand trial. He will have to be brought in front of his peers and be judged. Thats right, reverend. The first step on the road to justice is the charge. The arrest of the person believed to be responsible, and that took a lot in this case to get that to happen. But thats the first step on the road to justice and they made it today. So i think everybody can breathe a sigh of relief. Clint outlined it well. Youve talked about the human factor. And youve seen that in so many cases, and you know from reporting on these cases, how when loved ones are lost, how it impacts the families, the community. So our hearts go out to the troopers family that were killed and injured. And the whole state Police Family who suffered through this. But what a great job, super job, to find frein without more death. Let me show the pocono mountain airport, this is the airport where a hangar is where he was found. He was not in the public space. 48 days, all kinds of intensity, all kinds of real hard police work, but he was caught. They did not turn around. They did not become deterred by the cynicism. They caught their man. Clint, are you surprised . No, al. In fact, im glad they did. Theyve employed every technical device and every personal device they could. I think and no violence, from what we understand, no violence. Yeah, no violence. And, look, everybody said this guy was a Great Mountain man, hes a survivor, he can handle the woods, living in a hole im going to have to hold it there, gentlemen, citing breaking news and thank god the families can breathe relief in that area tonight. Clint and jim, thank you both. Thanks for watching. Im al sharpton. Stay with msnbc for coverage. Hardball starts right now. Going to the mattresses. Lets play hardball. Good evening, im Chris Matthews up in boston. The republicans are all of a sudden going at each other like rats in a hot tub. Governor christie fighting with anyone in sight. Acting exactly like a governor