People who are on assistance. We have to show respect for that woman who has Cerebral Palsy and had no choice in her condition, that needs help, and that we should help. And we need to get those folks to look down at these people, who choose to get into a condition that makes them dependent on the government and say at some point, youre on your own. We may end up taking care of those babies, but were not going to take care of you. And weve got to start having that serious discussion. Divide and conquer those on public assistance. This is who the establishment backed because others were too extreme, and while he served as the house speaker, he helped transform North Carolina into one of the most radical legislatures in the nation. Tillis voted for the Voter Suppression law that many consider the worst in the country. It includes a strict voter i. D. Requirement, cut down early voting days, and ended sameday voter registration. He voted to refuse the medicaid expansion, denying coverage to more than 300,000 people. He pushed to cut unemployment benefits, denying aid to 170,000 workers. He was key in pushing North Carolinas tax reform plan, which included big tax cuts for the rich, and actually ended up raising taxes on the poor. Yes, this is winning for the socalled establishment. And on social issues, hes backed a number of antiabortion measures, including a 24hour waiting period and mandatory ultrasound. Any push for a constitutional ban on samesex marriage. Over the last year, thousands of north carolinians have taken part in the moral monday protests, demonstrating against the laws passed while thom tillis served as speaker of the house. This is how far the tea party has dragged the republican party, but maybe, just maybe, he woke up this morning ready to change. Maybe. Where are you on the minimum wage . I believe that minimum wage decisions need to be made by the state. Well, do you think it should be raised in North Carolina . I think thats a decision that the legislature needs to make. Youre the speaker. Right, youre the speaker. Would you make that decision . Instead of focusing on this sort of defeatist mentality where we have to up the minimum wage, why dont we focus on making better paying jobs . Raising the minimum wage is a defeatist mentality . This is the socalled establishment candidate . Thom tillis might have beaten a Tea Party Candidate in the North Carolina primary, but the tea party has already won. Joining me now, a former governor ed rendell and jess mcintosh, thank you both for being here. Our pleasure. Thanks for having me. Governor, if thom tillis was moderate, who would be an extremist . Its hard to figure out, rev. The interesting thing is, its true we democrats would have been better off if some of the Tea Party Candidates had won. If brannon had won, kay hagan would have definitely been reelected, but youre making a very good point here, and, of course, tillis makes it himself on that tape. These socalled establishment moderates are not moderate at all. They are very extreme. They are extreme in essentially what they want to do, but their campaigns against the tea party forces them to be more extreme. There was a debate with the Tea Party Candidate and tillis was asked if he believed that there was any factual basis to climate change. And he said no. He doesnt believe that theres climate change. He doesnt believe that were challenged and that weve got to do something about carbon and whats happening to the world. Now, i dont know if he really believes that or if he said it just to protect his right flank, so whats happening is even when the tea party loses, they are dragging the socalled main line candidates far to the right, so kay hagans going to have a field day. Its going to be a tough race, but shes got a lot of fodder here in just the stuff you just outlined. Jess, let me let you respond to the same question. If a guy like tillis is the mainstream candidate, the establishment candidate, who are the extreme . The extremists are the establishment. The Establishment Republicans couldnt beat the tea party, so they became the tea party. Thom tillis won on a platform that is as extreme as any Tea Party Candidate running. The governor outlined a bunch of it, you outlined a bunch of it. This is a guy thats okay with defunding the department of education, doesnt believe in raising the minimum wage, thinks states ought to be able to ban birth control, and he wants to divide and conquer people on public assistance. Im sorry, what . Thats incredible. Yeah. And divide and conquer is a strategy that has absolutely nothing to do with helping North Carolina. That has everything to do with scoring political wins for thom tillis. Absolutely. And voters are going to see that. Absolutely. And you know what we see is republicans like tillis, politicians that are way out of the mainstream, governor. In reality, 74 of americans support the medicaid expansion. 69 think we should raise the minimum wage, and 52 want to extend jobless benefits, so when you talk about kay hagan having a field day, one of the reasons she has an opportunity here in a difficult race is because the majority of americans just disagree with these moderate Tea Party Candidates are really going to run on. Theres no question. You gave the two important statistics. There are 382,000 north carolinians who would benefit by taking the medicaid expansion. Tillis opposed that. There are another 180,000 north carolinians who would benefit by extending unemployment compensation. Thats 560,000 people. If they all vote, good lord, you know, thats all kay hagan would need to win, but theres something even worse and more insidious about it. If you listen to what tillis said on the tape, not only the divide and conquer strategy, but the absolutely outrageous assumption that he made that there are people who choose to be poor so that they can get food stamps and welfare. That people actually make a decision to be in that condition. They say to themselves, well, i dont want to get a job that pays good money. Id rather get a little pittance on welfare and food stamps. Thats a ridiculous statement to make about any human beings. People want to work. They want the dignity of work, they want to earn decent money to take care of their family. No one says, aha, im going to be poor so i can get food stamps and be on welfare. Its an idiotic suggestion. Very idiotic, but let me pick up on that, jess, because we heard tillis on the tape talking about divide and conquer, as you pointed out, but it seems like this has seeped into the this kind of rhetoric is seeped into the ground water. Listen to that. Supplemental nutritional assistance program, the buy beer program with a Government Credit card. Studies show that people who are on welfare are higher users of drugs than people not on welfare. Lottery winners of multimillion Dollar Lottery winners are getting food stamps. A lot of people are lazy and a lot of people are becoming lazier. Why has attacking people that need help become so popular with the far right and acceptable to them . Because it works so well for president mitt romney and the 47 . I dont actually know. America doesnt respond to this argument, because they know that its not just offensive, its entirely untrue, but i think that it exposes the kind of person that thom tillis is. He did the same thing with minimum wage. Its not defeatist to raise the minimum wage. Everybody would like a job that pays higher than the minimum wage, but we need to deal with peoples daytoday realities, and that is what republicans are simply uncapable of doing. But that is what voters want. Voters want to vote for somebody who understands what they go through and are legislating based on their reality, and that is going to be the contrast. We see north carolinia turn out every monday of thom tilliss really unpopular state legislature to reject this divisive offensive agenda, and i think even though its a midterm, were going to see voters turn out in november, too. Kay hagan has a fantastic record of fighting for women and families. You know, governor, former Florida GovernorCharlie Crist, he talked yesterday about why he left the republican party. I want you to listen to this. They are perceived now as being antiwomen, antiimmigrant, antiminority, antigay, antieducation, antienvironment. I couldnt be consistent with myself and my core beliefs and stay with a party that was so unfriendly towards the africanamerican president. Ill just go there. You know, because i was a republican and i saw the activists and what they were doing, it was intolerable to me. As i told you before, my mother and father taught my Three Sisters and me to treat everybody well. Were all children of god, and i saw how the party, some of them, were treating the africanamerican president , and i couldnt take it anymore. What do you make of that, governor . I think charlies being very sincere, and it is true. I mean, its unbelievable when you think about some of the attitudes, not all republicans, but on Immigration Reform, for example. Immigration reform, we should have Immigration Reform a year ago. The house should have taken it up. If they want to make changes, made them, but we should have had it. The attitudes of so many of the people in the party, not all again, but so many, drive any reasonable person to conclude this is a party that represents america anymore, and i think Charlie Crist came to that sincere belief. Thats why he decided to run as an independent when he was running for the senate. Thats why he became a democrat. Theres no question about it. I think hes very sincere. I think hes right on target. Again, these are not all republicans. There are still some who have, you know, basic decency and want to treat all people well, but the reigning movement it seems in the party is towards that type of attitude. Im going to have to leave it there. Former governor ed rendell and jess mcintosh, thank you both for your time tonight. Thanks, rev. Thanks, rev. Coming up, this is how low they are going in their benghazi attacks. Republicans are now fundraising off of it, and you wont believe what eric cantor just said about it. Or didnt say about it. Plus, republicans in congress, rightwing pundits, and crazy uncles across the country are mourning the loss of another gop talking point on the Affordable Care act. We look back on its life tonight. 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The gop scandal circus has officially come to town. The big stunt tonight, House Republicans are voting on contempt charges for former irs official, and thats just the opening act. Speaker boehners main event is an upcoming vote to form a special committee on benghazi. This is all about getting to the truth. Theres not going to be a side show. Theres not going to be a circus. This is a serious investigation. Not a circus . Hes the ring master of this whole clown show. Heres what he said next. When is the administration going to tell the American People the truth . Theyve not told them the truth about benghazi. Theyve not told the truth about the irs. Theyve not told the truth about fast and furious. Its the threering circus of the gop, benghazi, irs, fast and furious. And yet they claim its not political. On morning joe today, the head of the new Benghazi Committee swore this had nothing to do with politics. Would you suggest your fellow republicans while this investigations going on they not use benghazi for fundraising purposes . Yes, and i will cite myself as an example. I have never sought to raise a single penny on the backs of four murdered americans. Of course, nobody should raise money off this tragedy, except the gop is doing exactly that. Today the National RepublicanCongressional Committee sent an email to supporters saying, you can become a benghazi watchdog right now. Help fight liberals by donating today. Donate money and become a benghazi watchdog. Republicans are trying to pull off a big trick and claim this isnt political. Its time to send out the clowns. Joining me now is former democratic congressman patrick murphy, the first iraq war vet elected to congress. Thanks for being here. Thanks, rev, thanks for having me on. Congressman, the rnc also has a benghazi fundraising website that reads, Hillary Clinton and obama lied about the benghazi attacks to protect their political future. Join our fight to stop the liberalized. Donate to the gop right now. Are you offended the republicans are raising money using their benghazi obsession . Rev, they have no shame whatsoever. They are exploiting the death of four americans, and my heart goes out to those four americans and those families, but to see them time and time again exploit this for political purposes is so callous, so insensitive, i hope this backfires and the American People wake up and see whats really going on. You know, today majority leader eric cantor was asked about the gop fundraising off benghazi. Listen to this. Mr. Gowdy has said that the party should not be raising money off the issue of benghazi. Do you agree . And if so, will you urge the nrcc to stop . Look, theres a lot of discussion about the creation of the select committee and around the politics of it versus the policy of it, and i know that, you know, theres much being hurled about right now, and i think its best for all of us in these halls to focus on what the reason is for the creation of the committee. He just sidestepped, congressman, the whole issue. I mean, what kind of leadership is that . Its a leadership that cares more about politics than getting to the truth, and the truth of the matter is this, rev, is that theres been two official investigations. One, by the state department, another one by the Senate Intelligence committee. Both have shown that this was an attack, there was a failure of intelligence, but there was nothing no coverup, and there was no military response that could have been launched in time to save those four americans. Theres also darrell issa, as you know, who has had the oversight committee, which, by the way, congressman trey gowdy serves on. Theyve had 13 hearings, 50 briefings, 25,000 pages of documents, and yet thats not enough. They dont want to pass the jobs bill, dont want to pass the infrastructure bill, dont want to pass immigration. They want to play politics with the murder of four americans. Its a disgrace. It is a disgrace. You mention congressman darrell issa, hes already gone on to the next scandal. Today, issa threatened an epa official if he failed to produce certain documents. Listen to this. It is my intention to bring to this committee a contempt if that is not done. It is clear that the president you work for and the administration you work for has a delay and deny capability and plan and has since the beginning. Weve recently seen white house documents as to the false and misleading statements after benghazi. I mean, would they hold the whole Obama Administration in contempt if they could, congressman . They could they would if they could, rev, but, you know, they are just grasping at straws, and darrell issa specifically has struck out on benghazi, so hes moving on to the irs, hes moving on. They keep playing politics, instead of doing their jobs, rev, instead of doing the right thing, they continue to do the wrong thing in politics, and thats just thats why they have such a low approval rating, frankly, and why americans are disgusted. Record low. Former congressman patrick murphy, thank you for your time tonight. Thanks, reverend. Still ahead, the new Conspiracy Theory about the Monica Lewinsky article, and its a doozy. But first, theres nothing republicans love more than a Good Health Care talking point, even when its not true. Tonight, another talking point is dead. I promise you want to see this next. We cannot let the fans down. Dont worry the United StatesPostal Service will get it there on time with Priority Mail flat rate shipping. 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The number one job killer in the United States. Do you know what it is . Obamacare. Sorry, congresswoman, but the job killer talking point turned to dust, as millions of jobs have been created since the law passed. We also remember this talking point tonight. The exchanges dont work, and you wind up going into what they call sort of the insurance death spiral. What did you call it, death spiral . Scary. Obamacare is going towards a death spiral. This is that death spiral. Death spiral. Death spiral. Whats called an insurance death spiral. You get into what they call that death spiral. But that death spiral only happens if not enough young people sign up. 28 of enrollees are young and healthy. And tonight wouldnt be right unless we paid tribute to the original bogus talking point. Of course there are death panels. It will be very unpleasant if the death panels go into effect. Death panels, this is how theyre going to manifest themselves. These socalled obamacare death panels are, in fact, alive and well. Actually, its not alive and well. The death panels talking point met its own death. But tonight, let us all remember what were here for as we take a look back at the life of the not paying premiums talking point. Onethird of obamacare enrollees have not paid. I talk to insurance companies, youre looking anywhere from 20 to 50 of those folks who havent made a Premium Payment yet, many are uninsured and probably wont make Premium Payments. There are a lot of deadbeats and free loaders who have signed up but havent paid premiums yet. You can sign up all you want, you dont pay, youre not a part of it. According to one state exchange, in maryland, 46 of enrollees have turned into obamacare deadbeats. They havent paid. Today, this talking point met its demise. A new report shows most who signed up under health law have paid. 80 to 90 of enrollees paid their bills on time. 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Heres lynn cheney, wife of former president dick cheney. I really wonder if this isnt an effort on the clintons part to get that story out of the way. Would vanity fair publish anything about Monica Lewinsky that Hillary Clinton didnt want in vanity fair . Thats very interesting. I love this theory. I love this theory. Well, apparently so does everyone else at fox news. The morning team asks political timing better to get lewinskys story out of the way. And they werent the only ones. Whats curious, as well, is why is vanity fair publishing this right now . The timing is curious, dont you think . We havent heard of Monica Lewinsky out of the blue until now. The timing of this is certainly coming under question. Why now . Theres a lot of conspiracy theories floating out on the timing of this article. This is the time, just as hillarys about to run for president. Now the theory im hearing, this could be completely off base, to provide sympathy for hillary. Youre saying the clintons would ask her to go out and do this interview right now . Oh, they are behind everything. Hear that . They are behind everything, the clintons are behind everything, and now the party boss is onboard with this theory. No, its not a cat fight monica versus hillary. Hillary is running monica. Thats lynn cheneys point. This is in vanity fair, not incidental or insignificant that its in vanity fair. That is a very highly approved publication for the elite left. Its designed to inoculate mrs. Clinton. Thats a stretch, even for you, rush. The rights imagination is running wild with one wild Conspiracy Theory. Joining me now, joy reid and victoria defrancesco soto. Thank you both for coming on the show tonight. Let me start with you, vanity fair just acknowledged the theory that the clintons are behind the lewinsky piece. Their only response was, seriously . So why is the right so convinced that this is a vast conspiracy . Obviously, because the clintons have mind control. They have mind control over vanity fair, a publication in which they have no actual control. They have mind control over Monica Lewinsky, and i would submit that if, in fact, the clintons are that powerful, that they can use just the power of their minds to make vanity fair get Monica Lewinsky to write a piece that they happen to publish just at the time when hillarys about to, wait a minute, we dont know that Hillary Clinton is about to announce for president or when or if shes going to do it. If the clintons are that all powerful, the republicans shouldnt even run anyone against them, because if theyve got that kind of psychological power, no one can beat Hillary Clinton. Well, they had to power it from president obama, who also has that power, according to them. The right also, victoria, has tried to make the lewinsky story about something else, the democrats war on women. Take a listen to this. Hypocrisy from the people who claim they have all the tolerance and love and compassion and its us, the conservatives, waging this war on women. War on women . You bet. In the 1990s, the clintons pioneered it. I mean, war on women, the democrats are not the one blocking legislation for women to have the right to choose, or for that matter, equal pay, victoria. Absolutely, but at the end of the day, reverend, anything having to do with the clintons is red meat for the base. Theyll say war on women, then ignore it and go to the meat of the issue of attacking the Democratic Party and attacking the clintons, and what i find so interesting and rather ironic about all this is that the right is victimizing Monica Lewinsky and saying she deserves sympathy, which she does, but then why do they keep bringing her up and rubbing salt in the wound . This woman wants to tell her story, get it out there for her own sake and not keep having to relive it, but we see rush limbaugh, fox news, rand paul recently wanting to keep this an open wound for her. You know, joy, senator rand paul, whos a leading candidate for gop nomination in 2016, he was arguing this same point months ago. Listen to this. The democrats, one of their big issues, is they have concocted and says republicans are committing a war on women. I think really the media seems to have given president clinton a pass on this. He took advantage of a girl that was 20 years old and an intern in his office. For all these people who stand up for bill clinton and say hes the greatest thing since sliced bread, he was a serial philanderer. What do you think that has to do if Hillary Clinton runs for president . You know, im not so sure. Like i said, its hard to separate them. Its not her fault. Im so glad you played that clip, rev, because that is the point. The person who unprompted brought up Monica Lewinsky for no reason apparently other than to they were discussing that he did a complete non sequitur, going from the potential of Hillary Clinton running for president or maybe Hillary Clinton and benghazi, he does this total non sequitur, brings up the affair between president clinton and Monica Lewinsky and in this months long time lag she does an interview in vanity fair. Maybe its his fault shes getting these interviews. I like that Conspiracy Theory. You know, veronica, Grover Norquist is very clearly urging republicans not to overreach on lewinsky. He tells buzz feed, this is the same trick the clintons pulled on us back in 98. We were distracted by this bright shiny object that handed out, which was Monica Lewinsky. Its a constant challenge, but its like in baseball, if they throw out a bad pitch and you swing at it, then youre an idiot. So, either way he has a roundabout way, but still the clintons setting the whole thing up. It is, but i do agree with the fact that the republicans should not focus on this, reverend. In the 1990s, the American Public got over it. Yes, this was a mistake on the part of two individuals, two adults, but you know what, we have bigger fish to fry. We have unemployment that is still high. We have communities that are suffering. Why are we focusing on a story thats 20 years old, and again, this is a woman whos trying to get past it. Hillary clinton is not bill clinton either, so i think this is what is so problematic. Thats whats so crazy to me, if Hillary Clinton is a victim if anything in this. What does this have to do with her . But everythings a conspiracy with this crowd, joy. They thought that Chelsea Clinton planned her pregnancy to help her mom and that hillary had a shoe thrown at her on purpose. I mean, listen to this. When i say staged, i mean, i have to believe shes pregnant if she says shes pregnant. I dont mean they are making up shes pregnant, okay, but what what great timing i mean, purely accidental, purely an act of nature, purely just left up to god. I dont know why anybody would be throwing a shoe at hillary unless maybe its an attempt to make the benghazi people look like nuts and lunatics and wackos. You couldnt make this up. You couldnt. I think whats interesting about it, one thing that has not changed in more than 20 years is the utter paranoia that the clintons elicit in the right, that sees a web of conspiracy behind anything that they do or say is still just as durable then as it is now, and then theres the irony, the projection of essentially the right is like a chain email. They all have the same talking points, whether its on radio, television, their members of congress, they all speak from a common playbook, so they assume the democrats are, too, that the vanity fair wouldnt do anything the clintons wouldnt tell them to do, that partly through the person you showed, Grover Norquist, who pioneered this wednesday meeting, i think they assume everybody operates that way because the right operates that way. Well, in fact, the clintons happen to be their own people, they happen not to have magical powers. They are just two people who are in politics, and i think the fear and almost paranoia about them is going to ultimately harm the republicans. It will force them not to do strong strategy against them, but to go back to the 90s sort of madness. Joy reid, victoria de fran ches kuo soto, thank you both for your time this evening. Be sure to catch joy on the reid report here on msnbc. Coming up, how can the nra be against a smart gun that could save lives . 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Guns the nra doesnt want you to own. They are called smart guns, and they use a new technology that ensures it can only be fired by its owner. Chris hayes went to exploit the controversy and show how these guns work. My code is entered. It says its good, i hit enter. Now i pick up the handgun and its green. Green means im the authorized user, now im ready to fire. If the watch and gun are separated by more than ten inches after, say, a suspect wrestles it away from a police officer, the gun stops working. Putting the ammunition in. I can fire. I take the wristwatch away, it is more than ten inches, the grip tells me i cannot fire, i pull the trigger, i get nothing. I return it here within ten inches, pull the trigger. This technology could make it harder for people to accidently fire a gun, making them safer for Law Enforcement and gun owners alike. But theres been a fierce pushback from the right. Heres more of chris hayess reporting. Smart guns are dumb guns. The technology is far from reliable, and anybody thats going to put their life on the line with a piece of Unreliable Technology is making a big mistake. Larry pratt is the ceo of gun owners of america, and his organization, along with the National Rifle association, have been pushing hard to stop smart guns from reaching the market. They were successful with the first store that tried to sell the smart gun, the Oak Tree Gun Club outside los angeles. We were delighted as gun owners of america by the backlash. Things looked promising for the smart gun at first. Told the Washington Post he would sell the gun, but soon the shops Facebook Page filled with messages like this one. You guys still in business . Not for long. Might have been a smart gun, but it was a darn dumb business decision to try to pawn that crap off on american gun owners. So Oak Tree Gun Club reversed course, denying it had ever planned to sell the smart gun, despite showing the guns for sale at the store. It was a testament to the power of the gun rights establishment, which argued that once a smart gun reaches the market, the government is going to make smart guns mandatory and prevent people from buying traditional firearms. This gun could save lives, but the opposition is powerful and they are doing everything they can to keep this safer gun out of american homes. Joining me now is the host of all in, chris hayes. What surprised you the most over the course of your reporting, chris . It was the intensity and the venom and intimidation of the backlash. Its one thing to say i dont like this law or this policy. Thats not what happened here. Youve got someone in the private market, a business owner, who says i want to sell this thing and they are absolutely inundated and deluged with the ugliest kind of bullying and threats and intimidation. We talked to one guy who was going to sell it in maryland, he was so under siege with death threat phone calls, he slept in his store with his dog because he was scared someone was going to burn the store down. Word got out, it happened outside los angeles, oak tree, after the backlash, the gun owner said, fine, im not going to sell it. Another guy said ill sell it in maryland. It was approved by the regulation board there. He said i believe in this on principle. People should be able to buy whatever gun they want. Phone calls, death threats, slept in his floor until he made a recording, okay, fine, i wont sell it. What you have is, its more nefarious and ugly than the nra lobbying on capitol hill. Its darker and deeper than that. You have a campaign of intimidation outside the normal means of politics to get people to stop them from selling an item. Why . What is the reason the right would even fight having a safer gun that will save lives . Theres two reasons. One, theres a new jersey law from 2002 on the books that was passed as a way of incentivizing smart gun research that says once a gun is sold anywhere in the country, its mandated as any gun to be sold in new jersey. They said this is the slippery slope towards government mandates and government control. Deeper than that, i think gun manufacturers and the gun world dont want anything to change. They dont want anyone to start mucking with the technology. There is this total paranoia and fear about any change in that world, any prying open to the possibility of development. And its very similar, actually, someone said this on my show last night, if you go back to the Auto Industry in the 50s, how they felt about seat belts, antilock brakes and air bags, they fought it tooth and nail. Is there any kind of momentum or traction in support of this . I think there has been. I think youve seen a backlash to the backlash. After weve done our stories, youve seen the Facebook Page of this gun owner in maryland saying, hey, you were going to do the right thing and ill buy a gun from you and would be interested in buying this gun. I think they cannot play whackamole for long. Eventually whats going to happen is theres going to be somebody able to successfully find this gun and theres going to be developments of what the gun, how it works and what this technology is, and i think once that cats out of the bag, everything starts to change. Chris hayes, thank you for being here tonight. And for your reporting on this important issue. You be sure to watch all in with chris hayes at 8 00 p. M. Eastern right here on msnbc. Still ahead, the emotional speech that everyone is talking about today. If you have a mom, youll want to hear this. [ girl ] my mom, she makes underwater fans that are powered by the moon. She can print amazing things, right from her computer. 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