0 into recovery have the arrogance to turn around and start calling people names? >> look, i would suggest, i would back up even from the social safety net because the first attack on government and the one that absolutely has made this recovery so much slower and so much more unequal is at the state level, the attack on public sector jobs. so what we saw is 2008 to o 2009 to about halfway through 2010 with democrats in control of both the house -- the senate and the white house, we started to see real motion as jared was just talking about in terms of making recovery particularly in the private sector. that recovery has continued to grow over the course of the first and now second obama administration. but where we saw the slowdown start to happen was after 2011, after the midterms elections in 2010 brought in all the republican state legislators and denies they started shedding jobs, the jobs that people were working, government jobs which decent jobs, they will always take them. and the reason they will is because they have to. you can't survive on our safety net. >> the right, exactly. to me that question that jared just raised about a rational economy, saying look, we as a country, whatever our ideology have a set of problems and solutions. growing the public sector, putting people to work, the very people that are being demonized as somehow laying in a hammock that still leaves themselves and their children hungry more than two weeks out of every month but so-called laying in this hammock, they would prefer to work. some of those jobs have been limited often at the state level. >> when you look at the fact now, let's go to the private sector a minute to drive your point. under president bush, the private sector lost 665,000 jobs. under president obama, it has added 3.25 million jobs. private sector's come back. but in areas that do not dominate before private sector employment, public sector has gone down. the people that stood by the country and watched us bail out these guys who were greedy and who gambled away this american economy five years ago, now all of a sudden, they're being called the names while we're supposed to pop champagne and celebrate a recovery that we never participated in. we weren't even invited in the hospital let alone the recovery room. >> we heard the green room earlier can shouting as we were talking about this idea that five years ago when the crash happened, that somehow the sky was falling the world was over because this particular sector was taking such a hit when in fact ordinary people had already been taking a hit and took a worse one after the decline. >> there's an interesting ideological kind of were to all this. one of the things i sometimes do and i very much enjoy it is to go on the financial market stations and talk about the markets which have done very well. i'll be sitting there listening to these guys talk about the market saying how great the market's doing. we're having a great day. investors are doing really well and they get to me and say how can you explain how barack obama is screwing up this economy. >> yeah, well, i have a market income brooklyn that's not doing well, the belmont market. until we can get down to the belmont markets of the country and bring them back, we're not there yet. >> my view there, reverend, don't ask me how the economy is doing because there is no economy. there's different economies and they're doing quite differently. >> melissa harry perry and jared bernstein, thanks for your time tonight. be sure to catch melissa harris-perry and saturdays and suns at 10:00 a.m. eastern time. coming up, shameful new right wing attacks on the poor. demonizing americans it most in need. my commentary is ahead. plus, republicans talk a big game, trashing obama care. guess what, it's working and they know it. another gop governor is coming into grips with reality. and why aren't republican leaders condemning ted cruz and his offensive praise of jesse helms? also reply al, what's on your mind. e-mail me friend or foe. i want to know. 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