0 someone feels in their hearts. we cannot legislate how someone feels about their brothers and sisters. but what we can legislate is how that plays itself out in public policy. and jesse helms showed a strong propensity to keep people from the voting booth, to keep people from fair housing, to keep people from meaningful employment. he showed a strong propensity to violating a woman's personal and privacy rights. and ted cruz shows that very, very same propensity. >> that is why you've got to fight them. they're always there, and you've got to fight them. you know, dana, jesse helms said this about social security. "nothing more than doles and handouts." governor rick perry today on social security, "it's a ponzi scheme." we're dealing with the same kind of mentality. we see the tea party and their antipathy toward president obama. jesse helms warned president clinton about coming to north carolina. "mr. clinton better watch out if he comes down here. he'd better have a bodyguard." i mean, do we hear the same kind of disrespect for the office of president today with president obama that helms demonstrated to president clinton? >> well, in a way jesse helms was ahead of his time in the republican party at the time he was far right in his social, economic, and foreign policy views. i think right now he'd be pretty much in the center of his republican colleagues today. the difference is on matters of race where fortunately you don't hear a lot of them saying that sort of thing today. and that's why i think the real question will be here when ted cruz starts to dance around that explosive issue. are people going to say senator, that's just not something this republican party is going to sanction today? >> but goldie, when we look at the voting rights act being in many ways neutralized by the supreme court and we do not hear the republicans in the congress stand up when we're talking about a new voting rights bill, when we see in states all over the country changing in voting from changing early voting, changing sunday voting, changing voting i.d. to now photo i.d., are we not hearing in many ways certain things that lead to the same results that was more blatant by jesse helms but is in many ways moving toward the same direction? >> you know, you're right, reverend sharpton. but no one is going to pull ted cruz's coattail. just as they did with trent lott. they're not going to ask him to take a back seat. in fact, they're going to celebrate and promote him even further. this is a man who for all practical purposes is ahead of his time in trying to lock up the 2016 presidential race. so we're really looking at someone who's trying to cobble together a very small coalition to win a gop primary, and he thinks that's a pathway to the white house. i've got news for him. you know, in modern times no one has ever been able to do that, to lock out african-americans and lock out latinos and lock out the lgbt community, lock out women, lock out anyone who is non-white and male and still win a nationwide election in this country. so if he wants to play these politics, he can play them well right there in texas. but i'll tell you where it won't play. won't play in new jersey. won't play in cal. won't play in illinois. won't play in some of these states he's going to need to pull together to win a primary campaign and a gop win for president. >> can that work, dana? such a small base where he's talking about the future of the gop but he's really going back to the past in terms of this kind of lack of diversity, lack of fairness and lack of inclusion? can that work in a republican primary? has the tea party really dominated so and intimidated >> thanks, reverend. >> thank you. >> coming up, republicans try again to repeal obama care. they're gutting food stamps and education. now is the time to fight back. and some absolutely shocking comments from george zimmerman's florida police chief. why he agrees george is another sandy hook waiting to happen. and he's the progressive everyone is talking about. bill de blasio live in studio. on michael bloomberg's criticism, on stop and frisk, on the curtains, and yes, we'll ask him about his son, dante, who wears the most famous afro of his generation. also, what's on your mind? e-mail me, friend or foe. i want to know. reply al is a hit. ♪ [ male announcer ] some question physics. some question gravity. and some... even have the audacity to question improbability. with best-in-class towing and best-in-class torque these are some of the bold, new ram commercial trucks -- built to blow your imagination. guts. glory. ram. it's eb. want to give your family the very best in taste, freshness, and nutrition? it's eb. want to give them more vitamins, omega 3s, and less saturated fat? it's eb. eggland's best eggs. eb's. the only eggs that make better taste and better nutrition... easy. eggland's best eggs. better taste. better nutrition. better eggs. it's eb.