I cant comment no travel revision and a new patient can come in tonight and go to any hospital. Have you had conversations with the white house about a travel ban. Weve discussed many aspects how about a travel ban . We would certainly consider anything that would reduce risk to americans. Weve been following cdc director tom frieden and others testifying on capitol hill. In the first congressional hearing on ebola since two workers were diagnosed with the disease. Lawmakers returned to washington during a congressional recess and they took on federal response starting with what kinds of training and protection are being given to u. S. Health care workers. This is your picture in western africa and as you can see, there is head to toe covering and goggles. What kind of stockpile of this personal protective equipment do you have available to the Health Care Workers who are on the front line should. The most contentious exchanges came over the issue of air travel as lawmakers repeated their calls for a ban on passengers coming from ebolaaffected countries despite repeated assurances from officials that doing so would magnify the epidemic. Screening in airports have been a demonstrated failure. If we had a travel ban wouldnt we just force these people to hide well origin . Even jamaica, as i read in the press earlier this week has issued a travel ban. Is the white house issuing a travel ban . I cant speak weve discussed the issue of travel. The back and forth over the nations ebola readiness comes as the first cals nurse diagnosed, nina pham, is being prepared for transfer to an Isolation Unit at the National Institutes of health in bethesda, maryland. The second nurse was transferred for treatment at Emory University hospital in atlanta which has treated three other ebola patients. Joining me from dallas, texas is National Correspondent from the today show, craig melvin. A lot of time was spent discussing and trying to determine how these two nurses contracted the ebola virus. On the ground, do you sense that we are getting any closer to actually answering that question . Reporter no. No, i dont, and the chief executive of the county earlier today indicated that was one of his major frustrations, as well. I mean, weve gotten a bit of an explanation, but we know both of these nurses spent time caring for duncan, and they inserted catheters and drew blood. At one point their skin was exposed, we understand, but precisely how . No, we dont know. We know according to the head of the cdc, they have 20 medical investigators who are trying to answer that question and lets talk about nina pham, shell be airlifted to nih at some point this evening and we got a statement just a few moments ago from the hospital, from the hospital, from texas presbyterian and one of the questions is why is it that folks are being transferred from this hnt to other hospitals . We a per to have an answer in regard to nina pham. With the medical professionals that would normally staff the intensive care unit side lined for continuous monitoring, it is in the best case offin in a hospital employees, physicians and the community to give the hospital an opportunity to prepare for whatever comes next. What the statement is essentially saying is, listen, we dont know how many additional ebola victims we may have in this area. We have to make space here in dallas. So that is precisely it sounds like according to the statement why nina pham is being transferred to nih this evening. Craig, let me follow up on that. Are they bringing in additional medical personnel to deal with potential new cases . We asked that question earlier and the answer is, yes, kind of. The cdc is going to be sending Additional Resources here, if there is, when there is, another victim who is diagnosed with ebola. That has not happened yet, but what you do have again and you start doing the math and you have several dozens of folks that came in contact with mr. Duncan. Those folks are being monitored right now. A lot of those folks are obviously not working. So youve got youve got to replenish the bench, so to speak. Thats kind of what youre facing. Something else thats worth noting here, alex. As i speak to you, there r is a meeting happening right now. A local meeting, dallas commissioners are meeting right now. Theyre talking about instituting a local state of emergency. If that local state of emergency is implemented, then the folks who are being monitored right now would not be allowed to use public transportation. That includes trains. That includes busses and that, of course, also includes airplanes. Msnbcs and nbcs craig melvin, thanks for the update, craig. Joining me now is assistant professor at the nyu school of medicine and editor in chief of vox. Com. Doctor, lets talk first about tom frieden who is most certainly in the hot seat today. First of all, is this a good use of tom friedens time to be sitting on the hill for four hours in the middle of a Health Crisis because its certainly not an epidemic here. I dont know if its the best use of his time and hes updating congress of whats happened and hes done a good job of doing that so par. People seem to be aware of ebola and the threats. The areas that i think are more concerning, were not doing as well as west africa. Theyve protected their Health Care Workers, but on the other hand in fairness, there are a lot of Health Care Workers that have perished in west africa. No, thats true, but if you look at the percentage of people who contracted ebola they are doing better than we are, in other terms in mortality, were doing a lot better. The rate that the World Health Organization is talking about is 70 , whereas here in the United States weve had one death and one death is significant, but were doing a lot better. Ezra, four hours of hearings, its hard to get something tangible out of a line of questioning thats more, i think, for security theater than actually getting to an answer, in terms of tom frieden and his manager here and some folks have applauded him although weve made mistakes. Dr. Frieden is not a person i would ever associate with not being tenacious enough. That is not one of the qualities he lacks. In terms of the broad questions here, there is a real problem in dallas presbyterian and theyve done a bad job in the treatment of duncan. At this point, certainly with hindsight being 20 20 there should have been more, but this was not, legitimately, these folks did not come to the cdc to get treated there. How much do you want to hold the cdc responsible for any mail you are thfailure in any hospital i america. I have to interrupt you, though, because to play devils advocate here. Please. This wasnt should the cdc be involved in any response in america, here we have a mishandling, a misdiagnosis of countries first, domestically diagnosed ebola virus victim, ill call him and the cdc did not send anybody to texas to maybe help manage his treatment. I think there is an argument for the s. W. A. T. Team approach were talking about, but one thing we do need to be clear about, rewinding to about a week or two in the crisis is there is a known treatment protocol for how to do this. It was extended to everyone. Its been used before for a lot of different kind of Infectious Diseases and i think before this began to spread in america, the belief among Health Professionals was that it would be reasonably easily contained using the methods that have worked in a dozen or a half dozen ebola outbreaks before. So this will feels very different now than it did two weeks ago because mistakes were made, but if mistakes were not made wed have a very different conversation and one problem with the Health Care System is its ultimately human beings and can you manage 21 different steps to take off your gown . Its a tough thing for people to not make a mistake for and its a tough thing to ensure a mistake has never been made from washington or on some degree on the ground if youre not dealing with one of the centers like an emory that is highly trained in this kind of thing. He brings up a good point, doctor, the cdc guidelines have gotten more stringent in the last 48 hours. The gear that has to be put on at this point has gotten even more koum behrsome and i wonder from a Public Health perspective, there is so much fear and fearmongering about this. What do you see as this medium term effects of this kind of scare on our Public Health preparedness certainly were more alert and alarmed, but is it a good thing to have this sort of really ill call it all hands on deck approach to something that is noter inially as contagious as many other sicknesses. I agree. I think were asking too much of the different hospitals and they have too many patients to take care of and too many things to think about. I think it would make more sense to do this closer to the front line. So if a patient was coming from west africa, a patient thats been at high risk for Something Else actually have a number at the cdc to call if they develop symptoms. A tailored team can check them out at home as opposed to the hospital where more people can get expose food there was talk about quarantining and travel bans and what was amazing, numerous times we have heard, not even more than numerous, an uncountable number of times that raffle bans are a bad idea if we want to prevent the epidemic from spreading and yet over and over and over again dr. Frieden was asked by mostly republican members of the house why dont you recommend a raffle ban which is the intersection of politics and policy and in this case it is a very, very bad intersection. There is a danger when congress is being pressured to do something and theres not something that looks all that good for them to do and travel bans come out of that. The simple reason travel bans are a problem is the way ebola becomes dangerous even to folks here is in west africa, its rampage in west africa becomes totally out of control and it spreads to places like india and it gets on more planes. Ebola can be managed at reasonably limited numbers. It gets much harder the more people have it and what you need to do to stop ebola is to trace contacts. When you have a travel ban and begin to lock people in place they begin to travel unnoticed and they flee and you cant track their contacts and you dont know where ebola is. One more question, dr. Devi. In terms of what happens next, researchers say more than two dozen cases of ebola could be in the u. S. By mix month. Purely on a certain preparedness front, in terms of having the correct gear, the right sort of questions to ask, and the right training of medical professionals, do you think we are ready . Do you think the mistakes have taught us a lesson and were more prepared or is there still a real question of how prepared the nation is some. Making mistakes does make you prepared, but we have to be sure that people are adjusting to it which theyre not, because the patients are being treated in a variety of different settings and thats a concern. Now its not just people coming from west africa, right some we have people that are exposed and its harder to tell who is at high risk. It is an ongoing and fluid situation. Dr. Devi, thanks as always. Ezra, hang with me, if you will. After the break, the shameless politics of fearmongering how the the gop is trying to use ebola to score points against president obama and members of his party. Plus, what just happened to wall street . We will look at market calamity and what might be behind it it. Later, florida fangate was not the only bizarre moment from last nights debate, not by a long shot. Truly unbelievable midterm mayhem is coming up. All of that is ahead on now. Love the real scratch made taste of warm nestle toll house cookies . 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Can the virus be transmitted by dogs . We have no restrictions on travel of human beings, how about the the dogs . Dont you think we ought to at least restrict the travel of dogs. Well follow up in terms of what is possible. Dog travel. In other corners of the rightwing universe, it was not limited to traveling canines and illegal immigrants. If you listen to the tidal wave of paranoia and blame cresting on the right, the ebola epidemic is the latest evidence of the failure of government and one man in particular. In an eighttweet rant today, eight tweets louisiana governor bobby jindal had this to say, the latest scandal caused by barack obama is the latest response, hes committing malpractice on his response to the ebola crisis. And then the stuff happening over on fox news. It it adds to the sense of incompetence if washington. This is happening in dallas, texas. This is a top ten city in the United States of america. It happens to be one that doesnt particularly care for the president all that much and his policies. One that the president has never been too favorable on. We are already being squeezed on our southern border. Now youre being squeezed by ebola. Is well an agenda here . So now the federal government looks stupid. It underreacted to the ebola threat, it still isnt imposing a travel ban from west africa and our border is still porous in the south. Thats what happens when leadership is weak. Do you see what bill oreilly just did there . He threw together a west Africa Travel ban and Central American travel migration in an ebolaborder security stew, but it wouldnt be true panic without thinlyveiled racially charged questions about president obamas a pinities for africa. His affinities, his affiliations are with them, not us. Thats what people seem unwilling to accept. Hes their leader. Back with me is ezra klein and joining me now is host of the read report, my friend and the incredulous joy reed because that stuff is incredible. He is their president , joy. I mean, its not even thinlyveiled racism at this point. No, im glad you called it a racial stew because it is the perfect storm. You have an african, god forbid, flies into the the United States and you have all of these sort of issues of immigration sort of thrown into it. I couldnt believe that Marcia Blackburn brought the border into it, because i hate to tell you believe it, joy. The planes dont come over with the guatemalan children. They fly into the airport. So you have that, and somehow the Obama Administration should havet in the plane and picked out all of the african nationals to make sure they couldnt get . Right. The Obama Administration didnt have anything to do with it. Somehow, some time the administration would be blamed for this, and ezra, as joy said this is the perfect storm and it goes to the very heart of liberalism versus some corners of conservatism which is there is a fear and a paranoia that has come to color the far right wing of the republican party. There is a racialized element here as well and then there is the general mistrust of government and government has not performed and if you want to find Conspiracy Theory here, it is ripe. Do you think in terms of the next level in just a few weeks, this is a good thing for republican candidates. I think it will matter in the election. I should say, not in a specific way so much as in a general way. There is Amazing Research going back, you know, decades. In woodrow wilson, there is a huge effect on one of his election because of the series of shark attacks on the eastern seaboard. There are strong findings over and over and over again about the changes in the vote when the hometown Football Team wins. When people are feeling better and when theyre feeling worse it it really does change who they vote for and ebola whether theyre specifically blaming it on the Obama Administration response or not, its making people feel afraid and worse, and affecting the stock market. And its the party that is in power. It will hurt the democrats and i dont expect it to be a huge thing and i think that is true, com plately separate from the efforts to politicize it around questions of the border, around travel bans and even what is a more legitimate question and governmental competence and response. Hundreds of thousands of people died of the spanish flu during Woodrow Wilsons presidency and no one thought to blame that somehow on the president of the United States and you had a polio epidemic that cut down 70,000 cases in the early 1950s when dwight, David Eisenhower was president and they approved the salk vaccine and it put that epidemic down. In this case, people keep forgetting the big window of time when the federal government wasnt involved. When it was a private hospital that had the fiduciary duty for the nurses who do the triage and deal with the bodily fluids and taking blood samples from this man and who first sent him home and still took two more days to actually get him isolated and properly diagnosed. The risk to those nurses that were starting to see complaints from nurses organizations had to do with the operation within that hospital and rather than look at that system, that specific, discreet system were jumping way ahead to the cdcs responsibility. Lets remember, there have been five cases of ebola and three were missionaries who went to an ebola hot zone. Weve seen Doctors Without Borders doctors have gotten ebola because theyre most at risk because theyre treating ebola patients and one cameraman, an nbc prelancer and one traveler from the african continent. One. A travel ban now based on that one. What about the other four people . Lets be clear. Navarro college, i am not where that is is rejecting students from nigeria. This has a cascade effect in terms of fearmongering, xenophobia, and to go back about your comments about the the roots and how this plays to certain fundamental ideologies on the left and the right, you know, there is a case to be made for greater regulation, better sort of government messaging and communication, but also unions. I mean, one of the reasonses we are even finding out about healthcare workers feel that theyve been compromise side because unionized workers feel they have the power, platform and safety toe go out and say something. People forget about how important unions are in workplace safety. Oftentimes the right is not simply antigovernment. When you talk about Something Like a travel ban, youre talking about a very aggressive Government Action to change the travel of private individuals, to change what airlines and what airports can do. This stuff cuts in a lot of different ways and often the ideologies are not so simple as people like to put in their slogans and is not how they feel under threat. Jerry moran from kansas is the person that has been leading the charge on having an ebola czar. Jerry moran in october 8, 2009, say the obamas administrations excessive czar appointments exemplify the federal bureaucracy, that kansans and americans have grown tired of. Ill give you an ebola czar. 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Last week alone saw 1. 5 trillion in global stocks wiped out. What is behind it . Increasing concerns about a Global Economic slowdown to the steep decline in oil prices down 20 since the summer. Two questions about the underlying strength of the American Economy as the fed gets ready toent its quantitative easing at the end of the month. Joining me now with the cnbc market wrap is tyler matheson. Is ebola connected to this at all. Weve been hearing a lot about that in the last few days. I think it certainly was yesterday, alex, particularly witha Airline Stocks. When Oil Prices Fall as much as theyve been falling lately you would expect Airline Stocks to do rr well, but yesterday on word that one of the ebola patient his travelled on frontier airlines, that really went in and hurt Airline Stocks very badly. Today they were back up a bit. Ebola is an unquantifiable influence in the market, but it certainly adds to the stew of fears which you so correctly illuminated there at the top of the leadin to the broadcast. Theyre concerned about slowing economies and there are concerns about the Federal Reserve pulling back on its stimulus. There are concerns that stock prices just ran too far too fast, but today, alex, a very welcome breather in the stock market, even though it was another volatile day, by the end of the day, the Dow Jones Industrials as you pointed out just off about 25 points and the s p 500 and nasdaq, they couldnt have been flatter and for investors, that, after yesterday and weeks of volatility was a welcome change. Thats it from cnbc, first in business worldwide. The setting is perfect. You know what . Plenty of guys have this issue, not just getting an erection, but keeping it. Well, viagra helps guys with ed get and keep an erection. And you only take it when you need it. Good to know, right . 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Are you surprised at how little other countries have stepped up here . We know the u. S. Has given 750 million, nearly 4,000 troops and the uk, 750 troops, but beyond that, not many folks have stepped up to the plate. Quite a number of countries have not stepped up the way the u. S. And some of our european friends have, and thats disappointing, but also these countries, the need is great. Not only for the immediate term which is what the u. N. Secretarygeneral was speaking about, but their medium and longterm impacts on these countries that were not even yet beginning to plum. These are countries that are just recovering in the case of liberia and sierra leone from decadeslong civil wars. Theyre just beginning to build up and in a moment its alls collapsed back and all of the progress in recent years has been reverse growth rate proyekzs have been caught ask it will take years to dig themselves out of this and well talk about assistance over the medium and long term, as well. The projections, west africa could actually lose 33 billion over the next two years if the disease is left unchecked or the virus is left unchecked. Liberia could lose up to 12 of its gdp. To give everyone a sort of sense, the u. S. Lost 5 of the gdp from 2007 to 2009. Talk more about the mediumterm prognosis here. Can anything be done at this point to stench the bleeding years from now some. Well, first, we have to arrest the spread of the disease. Thats first. Secondly, we have to help these governments come up with ways to meet the budget shortfalls. These are very modest budgets, but theyre going to be cut because tax revenue will not be collected on businesses that arent operating and people arent working so the social safety net pauls apart, as well. So in the short medium term, we have to save that safety net. In the long term we have to help rebuild the infrastructure, the Health Infrastructure and the physical infrastructure and the social fabric which has been torn by this. One point i want to make, though, that despite the focus west africa and whats gone wrong and there is a lot that can be said. There have been good news stories and nigeria, for example, which is one of the countries impacted and theyve gone about a month without new infections and they have one patient that arrived, a diplomat from liberia and within very quickly, they developed a rapid reaction, isolated him. Tracked down the people he had contact with, came up with a list of about 900 names and followed up and those people had 18,000 facetoface contacts with people and as a result of this only 19 people in nigeria were infected and theyve had no new infects in a month and its an african Success Story and lessons, perhaps, as we get a number of infections in our own country. Lets talk a little bit about when we talk about who is involved and who isnt. I am still, to go back to, im sorry to focus on the negative. Russia has given zero dollars to this. China, the largest trading partner, 210 billion in trade and has given very little to this, 37 million and some personnel. Are you surprised that well response hasnt been more substantial . To be quite frank, no. Although the u. S. Has slipped as africas trading partner, at the end of the day, this is another occasion when africans will one their friends really are. Weve had a long history with africa and we havent always done everything absolutely correctly, but by and large weve been there since the era of independence and a constant friend. Thats the point president obama reinforced during the summit back in august, that america has been africas constant friend and were still there in good times and in bad. If we go back to the history of liberia it is a complicated history between the u. S. And that country. In terms of the news we have this hour that the president has signed an executive order to send up, giving the pentagon to call up the reserves, its just were talking about eight people at this point, but do you feel that that is opening the door in a meaningful way to combat this in a sort of different fashion . Well, certainly. I think the president is necessary not only to get the personnel rapidly deployed, because without the infrastructure that only the u. S. Military can stand up, other aid organizations including nongovernmental organizations wont have anything to plug into and wont be able to bring the assistance that you and i are talking about that are mead in these countries. Peter pham, thank you very much for your time and thoughts. Thank you, alex. Coming up, hawaii has declared a state of emergency as a Tropical Storm bears down on the big island while bermuda is bracing on a massive hurricane. More on that coming up next. This is jim. A man who doesnt stand still. 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By now you have probably heard about fangate. Last nights truly bizarre sart to floridas Gubernatorial Debate wherein republican governor rick scott refused to get onstage because he believed kechl democratic opponent Charlie Crists fan was violating the rules. Governor scott, why the delay over a fan. He said he wasnt going to come up he said he wasnt going on come to the debate so why come out until hes ready . Governor scott what is he saying there some but was that really the most ridiculous moment of the week . How about South Carolina governor nicky haleys response when asked if it was time for the Confederate Flag to be removed from the State Capitol some. I can honestly say i have not had one conversation with the single ceo about the Confederate Flag. Yes, perception of South Carolina matters. Thats why we have everybody answering the phones its a great day in South Carolina and thats why were the friendliest state and the most patriotic state and getting these accolades and you fixed all that when we appointed the africanamerican u. S. Senator. We fixed all that. All that. How about senator pat roberts when last night turned a discussion about immigration about a trifecta with isis and ebola. We have to secure the border. That is the first thing and in addition with ebola, isis or whatever whoever comes across the border. The ebola epidemic along with isis shows you how we should really secure the border and not be granting amnesty. Again, this all goes back to isis, ebola and the other problems that we see on the border. We must secure the border and secure the National Security of our fellow americans. Over in will colorado last night, democratic senator mark udall tried to put an end to the ben combazy madness. Senor, whats the biggest nonissue in your mind that Congress Keeps debating needlessly some. Benghazi. Very good. His republican opponent Corey Gardner was not exactly ready to move on. I think its outrageous that people died and senator udall is refusing to provide answers for the families of this country. I think it is outrageous. Senator udall doesnt believe benghazi is worth looking into. Finally in wisconsin, Governor Scott walker said this week he does not think the minimum wage serves a purpose because i dont think it serves a purpose because were debating about what the lowest levels are at. I want people to make wo or three times that. The minimum wage serves no purpose because, quote, i want people to get jobs that make two or three times that. Back to unpack all of that nonsense is the host of the reed report, joy reed and Washington Bureau chief, david korn. The fangate thing has set the internet on pier, but truly, the scott walker saying the minimum wage serves no purpose because he wants to create jobs that make wo or three times that is equally ridiculous and has much greater sort of effect in terms of where we are as a country. Scott walker couldnt bring himself to say he doesnt support the minimum wage so he tried to dismiss it as not being person because i want everybody to have ponies and pots of gold so we dont need the minimum wage if you get all that, right . Thats essentially what hes saying because doesnt want to say as a coke brother ally that im against the minimum wage. I read about it it, but i hadnt seen it, someone before he went on the stage took him aside and said ebola, isis, National Security and he went out there and said ebola, isis. Over and over and over again. He clearly was just pushing buttons like a kid hoping that something would jump out of the jackinthebox or something. Heres the distressing part of this, joy, is the headlines in the New York Times are democrats hopes begin to fade as the house take over, but also, you know, worry about the control of the senate. It may be someone promising ponies and pots of gold, but arc parentally this strategy is working in terms of getting republican voters. It does show, and you did show a couple of the teaparty elected governors from 2010 and rick scott and scott walker have similar issues and they anytime elected in swing states on this tea party mantle and right now the Tea Party Politics is all about means and benghazi and its a movement at this point and you push these buttons on and on the right its very effective, older voters that are paranoid about things like the border. Benghazi. And everything always comes back. Again, look, we were talking earlier about the hearing today on the ebola crisis and no fewer than half a dozen members of the republican side of that committee is this about securing a border and a raffle ban and hitting on the antiimmigration kind of themes. I have to just for one moment return on florida, just for one second, please. Were they spraying something in the air. The problem for rick scott now is that his policies are not what hes running on now. Hes trying to still run on the idea that im a job creator and hes trying to plame Charlie Crist for the economic downturn and the whole race is turning on the ludicrousness of one moment. Charlie crist is a very good politician. When he won in 06, he won be by doing an empty chair people and yiezing the ads, and empty chairs have not always worked well. But lets bring this back to, like, reset here, david. As joy points out, the hash tag has been powerful and overall republicans have owned these hash tags and these gaffes and these moments and so far as weve been talking more about Allison Linder gan grimes and then we were talking about Mitch Mcconnell in that he told the state of kentucky they can keep their website kinect, but theyll repeal obamacare root and branch. Those two things are not compatible. The reporter asking the question said youre not really getting it right here. You cant do both, but yet that is, you know, the bottom line is that the electorate is anything to be really small. You and i have talked about this. Republican voters have a 20 edge in terms of enthusiasm about voting and democrats and independents dont care that Mitch Mcconnell thinks you can keep obamacare and keep the kentucky plant. Republicans will go marching with their ben combazy banners to the polls and the tea party and then others will have a little bit of revival this time around before that fever burns out. You do have these wo sets of republicans and you have the Tea Party Republicans being, the nicky haleys and the scott walkers and you have the pretender trying to glomb on to the same settlement and thats why it looks a little bit, i dont want to say sad, but it is a little bit. No, its sad. Its fairly pathetic. Because theyre trying to grab on to that same tension and excitement and that is the negative vibe that is driving those voters who are more likely to vote anyway because they are older, et cetera. What democrats have to try to do is to try to get their base as exercised around their issue and what theyre working on is voter suppression. Why are democrats on so on the defensive on the administration and policy. The fact that the president said my policies are on the ballot became the shot around the world. I think this has been going on for a couple of years now. The president , one of the things he hasnt really done has been the big storytelling chief about what has succeeded most americans like most of obamacare and the democrats are running from it and theyre itchy and anxious about supporting Immigration Reform and they are and i think thats one reason why their own base seems kind of meh about all of this. Not to keep bringing things back to florida, but florida is so awesome. Its a choice of words. Charlie crist is the one guy, the one democrat, former republican, former independent Charlie Crist is running on obamacare. A very interesting test. Hes the one anyway in the country that is forthrightly embracing president obama as a strategy to win reelection to become the governor again. Obamacare and fans will do it for Charlie Crist. Joy reed and david corn, its good to see you. Catch joy reed week days at 2 00 p. M. Here on msnbc. That is if it for now. Ill see you tomorrow the ed show is coming up next. Good evening, americans, welcome to the ed show live from new york. Lets get to work we know how to control ebola even in this period. As soon as somebody is diagnosed with ebola. It was just a little chaotic scene. We want a Rapid Response team, a s. W. A. T. Team essentially from the cdc to be on the ground as quickly as possible. Hopefully, within 24 hours. We took probably around three hours to make our First Contact with the cdc. There are no short cuts in the control of ebola. No special gear. We we were unprepared. Cdc works 24 7 to protect americans. Its a global disease. We do not lose sight of the importance of the international