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Night rally could be a superspreader event. That remains a concern, even though the rally drew a much smaller crowd than expected. The campaign had promised to fill the 19,000seat arena, but according ing ting to the tuls marshal, 6,200 people showed up. And they were treated to a nearly twohour freewheeling speech that included a racist nickname for the virus, a claim that testing is whats causing the spike in case numbers and the president saying that he told his people to slow down on testing. The Administration Says that comment was in jest, but the president himself didnt deny it during an interview today. Did you ask to slow it down . If it did slow down, frankly, think were way ahead of ourselves. Weevil done too good a job, because every time we go up, 25 million tests, youre going to find more people. Then they say, oh, we have more cases in the United States. The reason we have more kapss is because we do more testing than any other country by far. Whether the low turnout at the rally is a sign of lagging enthusiasm for the president or growing concern over the virus, either could spell trouble for the president s reelection prospects. Recent poll numbers show the president trailing joe biden nationally and in several key battleground states. Thats where it really matters. And then theres this. His former National Security adviser, john bolton, who continues to excore yat the president in interviews, to promote his new book. I think one of the most important things i learned in watching donald trump up close is he doesnt have any fi philosop philosophy. He doesnt proceed on that basis or the basis of a grand strategy or policy. Its all about donald trump. And that, to me, is a lesson for americans as a whole, but for particularly conservative republicans, because if trump wins reelection, which is entirely possible, theres no more guardrail based on what the Republican Party may think about him. Joining me now from the white house is my nbc news colleague, monikaal ba. Also with us is andy carney and my friend, jake sherman, Senior Writer for politico. Monika, lets start with you two more people in the Campaign Testing positive. What do we know . Yeah, this is a really significant update, katy, and thats because these are staffers that were tested after the rally in tulsa as a precaution before they were able to fly home, so, that now adds to these other advance staffers who had been on the ground for a week, which were told includes secret service personnel. And were also learning just in the last hour that that number, which stands currently at eight people, is expected to rise. So, this is going to be a continuing problem for the Trump Campaign and the president himself, who is already quite annoyed that this has been revealed before he event left washington for that rally on saturday, that then left him fuming and furious over the lower than expected turnout. But this is significant, given all of the questions that Top Health Officials like dr. Birx and fauci raised to white house officials before this rally really took off. You have the potential for people to get the virus, but youre putting the staff at risk and that is what is seeming to have resulted in the news the last couple of days with more expected, katy. And what ises significant, you had the president saying he wants to slow testing down. The white house has tried to say that that is in jest, buzz he has made comments like this before and hes very upset that this news continues to dominant coverage. But his own team is being diagnosed with coronavirus. Katy . Well, it shows that it is still there. I know the president has said he wants to move on, he thinks that were past the hump on this, but it shows that this virus is still with us. Annie, you had a great piece in the times over the weekend about the reaction to this rally. I was speaking to a source of mine, a trump ally who said he cant get a rally youre in expletive trouble and they worried that the Campaign Team had their head buried in the sand, that they werent really understanding the extent to how bad it is to have a 19,000seat arena, only have 6,200 people there, and what that means for the data operation, what theyre actually able to get from that data. Are you getting any sense from your conversations that the campaign is retooling, is rejiggering their strategy, trying to figure out what went wrong, in order to not make this mistake again in the future . Mostly what this revealed was the growing divide between the white house and the campaign. The campaign is trying to blame the media and antifa protesters for barring their supporters from getting in. Brad parskale told me yesterday he had thousands of emails from supporters saying they tried to get in and they couldnt. I dont know if thats accurate or not. The white house is furious. A lot of people there think this was an unforced error. Why tout, blow up, you know, say youre going to have 19,000 people when you dont know and they said that a bigger concern about this is that what if this data was so off, that they thought they had enough interest in this rally to create an overfill space that was almost entirely empty, what else, where else is their data off . Republican allies, donors, white house officials, were all really concerned, not just because of an empty stadium, as embarrassing and its a metric that donald trump that on a visceral level when he sees blue seats, but just a question of, if theyre off on the crowd count, what else are they off on when it comes to the data and is it too late to fix it . Those are some questions theyre asking now. So, this disconnect between the white house and the campaign, is the campaign hearing that . I mean, is there talk of i mean, how is Brad Parscale doing . Theres all the rumors that he might not be in that position for long, he would be layered. I was talking to somebody who said this is exposing that he doesnt really know what hes doing, that hes a glorified website maker . Yes, i mean, he kind of shrugged off rumors of his demise yesterday, saying every week, theres a story that hes been fired and hes still standing. Hes really close with the family and thats always been something that is important to him and important to his relationship with the president. They recently elevated bill step steppien, a longtime republican operative who has more, just nuts and bolts campaign experience, than someone like brad who got his start in politics with donald trump four years ago. So, they have some people there who have been put into more senior roles, who have run campaigns before. As for whether brad stays or goes or gets layered, we havent heard anything more about his change a change in his title, as of right now, but this this was seen internally as a huge embarrassment for the president and notably, when he was furious backstage on saturday night, a lot of people noticed that the person he was asking to see, Brad Parscale, was not there to get the brunt of his anger. Thats really interesting. I wonder what this means for whats happening in congress right now, and jake, you have such a good read on the temperature of lawmakers. Seeing this rally, and i know both senators, both oklahoma senators were there. Is there now a sense that maybe lashing yourself to the president so closely maybe is not a great idea for holding onto the senate in november . You know, its interesting that you ask that. Were in the house period call press gallery here so excuse the kind of drab background, but my colleague did an interview with the president where he brought out a sheet of paper and showed his Approval Rating based on republican senators aprual ratings, which is just a tremendously fascinating view inside the president s mind that he likes to remind republican senators that he is more popular with them with the republican base, which is undoubtedly true, but you have to ask yourself, if youre a republican who is looking to win reelection in a state like colorado, arizona, north carolina, i mean, take your pick of states, georgia, if the campaign is not going to carry you on its coat tails, then you got problems, if thats what youre scouting on. I will say this, though. The white house, i was just at the white house, theyre no longer taking temperatures of people who are coming in the building. They want to will this disease away. They believe they have willed the coronavirus away. Theyre waiting for the time that they can say, this has all been wonderful and now theyre on their way. That time has not come. People, cases in texas have spiked, i mean, youre seeing this across the country. So, theres a huge disconnect where senators are going home to some states that are still struggling from this virus and the white house, which wants to go to phoenix, arizona, tomorrow, going to wisconsin later this week to hold rallies, they just believe that they can go about their business, they want to go about their business and unfortunately, thats not the reality that 535 members of congress are facing. Jake, one other thing, does it mean anything for legislation for this Police Reform bill thats being hashed out by democrats and republicans, seeing the president maybe not in such a strong position, does that make republicans more likely to want to negotiate with democrats and maybe make more concessions . Does it make them ldoes it do n . Well, i would say this. I would say that the president hasnt made his opinion clear on whether he really wants Police Reform yet. Hes saw everything about the topic, everything from, we respect the police, theyre doing a great job, to, we need to reform the system. The president needs to give a signal. There is always this debate among insiders in washington, what does the president do to get something passed . Well, the president needs to do what any political leader in World History has done, which is, take a position and hold it for more than 15 minutes. And if he does that, he might be successful. If not, he will continue to be inefficient when it comes to legislation. I would say theres more urgency on capitol hill when it comes to Police Reform legislation. Theres a good chance if the president puts some elbow grease into it, he could get it done. I havent seen that yet. Ive not teseen the white house put all of its energy into a piece of legislation, im not really sure the president s m political standing means much here. Jake, annie, monica, thank you for joining me today. And joining me now is chris coons. Lets start where we with just left off with jake. Police reform. What is your sense of where things are headed . Well, in the month since george floyd was brutally murdered by a Minneapolis Police officer, as you know, millions of americans and folks around the world, have taken to the streets in protest, urging broad and Decisive Action to reform policing in america and to take other steps to address racial inequality. The bill thats been introduced, that i understand majority leader mcconnell may well bring to the floor, doesnt meet this moment. I respect senator scott, the ways in which he has spoken on the floor about his experience of being africanamerican in modern america, but this bill, although it is a good start, does not go far enough by a long shot. There are some significant weaknesses, in trms of accountability, in terms of mandating simple and basic changes like ending no knock warrants and really ending choke holds. And then theres other changes in terms of accountability and strengthening the hand of the u. S. Department of justice that are essential to even a basic attempt at meeting this moment. Thats why im a cosponsor of the justice in policing act that senators booker and harris have led here in the senate and that i believe the house will take up and pass this week. So, to the point your panel was just making, President Trumps rally in tulsa showed some of his underlying weakness. He isnt able to wish away the coronavirus, the covid19 pandemic. He isnt able to persuade even his most loyal supporters to come out and to engage in this sort of rally that he was hoping would kickstart his campaign. And if he doesnt take a firm and clear position in favor of robust policing reform, i dont see how well get anything real done here in the senate before the next election. All right, so, well leave that there and then lets talk about what the what it means that there are more people in the trump Campaign Testing positive for the virus while at the same time, theyre not doing temperature checks at the white house for some staffers and for some journalists. The president seems to, as jake just said, want to will away the virus, its not going away. That rally, you could say maybe it was empty, because some of his supporters are taking the virus more seriously than the president is. What do you believe this means for, i guess your candidate, joe bidens, attempt to get elected over donald trump in november . Well, i think theres been a very sharp contrast between President Trump and former Vice President biden in recent weeks. For example, President Trump used tear gas and rubber bullets to forcibly clear Peaceful Protesters from Lafayette Square and strode across it to wave a bible as a prop in front of the johns episcopal. That same weekend, joe biden was invited to an historic ame church in the east side of wilmington, delaware, our hometown, where he wore a mask, where he net, where he prayed, where he listened to a range of leaders from delaware, young activists who have been organizing some of our protests, clear. And some of the leaders of our faith community. Our congresswoman, lisa blunt rochester, and other important figures in delawares africanamerican community. Joe biden in this moment is listening and taking bold steps and President Trump is somebody who, frankly, is trying to brush aside, is trying to forcibly move aside protesters and this pandemic and this virus. Hes not listening. And hes not seeing this moment. And as more and more americans fall sick and die from this pandemic, as we see more and more sharply the deep divisions in our society, we need someone to lead us who can listen and who can act and who can heal and in my view, thats clearly joe biden. So, senator, joe bidens leading in the polls and the National Polls and a lot of the battleground state polls, but when it comes to excitement, energy for your candidate, enthusiasm for your candidate, among trumps voters, theyre still very enthusiastic for the president. Among democratic voters, theres not the same enthusiasm for joe biden. We saw Something Like that, and i dont want to make a parallel here because i dont know if its quite equal, but we did see Something Like that in 2016 with hillary clinton. And when i was talking to a former obama official, they told me what biden needs to do right now is basically just fly under the radar. That he he could be a generic democrat, he doesnt need to be anybody, that donald trump is campaigning against himself and this election is more about donald trump than it is anything else. Whats your take on that . Agree, disagree . Well, two things. First, when youre the incumbent president and people overwhelmingly think the country is going in the wrong direction, they look to their federal government for leadership in providing a coordinated and successful response to a pandemic and they dont see it, they look to their president for a moment of healing when theres such deep division and they dont see it or hear it, that clearly is a negative. So, i would agree that President Trump, by his inactions and by his actions, is making things worse for himself, for his own reelection. But to go back to 2016 for a moment, katy, i dont think its enough for Vice President biden to simply rely on President Trump to make the case against himself. I think joe biden is out there, is speaking, is listening, is engaging. And i think youll see more and more motivation and excitement amongst democrats and amongst persuadable independents as we get closer and closer to this fall. There will be several oneonone debates between joe biden and donald trump, and i think that will lay out the contrast more clearly than anything i can say. But frankly, their record, what theyve done and what they would do will be very sharp and clear and i think youll see growing excitement amongst democrats, as they really tune in and focus on how much better their lives would be, with democratic control of the senate and with a democrat in the white house. If we lay out clear and positive plans about how we will protect health care, not try to rip it away, how will we strengthen our society and rebuild our economy better and how our place in the world will be stronger, i think joe biden will win this fall. We will see. Senator chris coons, thank you for joining us. Appreciate your time, sir. Thank you. And ahead, an unwelcome coronavirus milestone in florida. Plus, a community that cannot afford to stay home to stop the spread of the virus, and theyre now being hit hard. Well take you there live. Also later, congress was already set to take on the issue of politicizing the department of justice this week, even before the president s firing of the u. S. Attorney, geoffrey berman. Ill talk to former fbi general counsel Andrew Weissman ahead. [narrator] the shark vacmop combines powerful suction with spray mopping to lock away debris and absorb wet messes, all in one disposable pad. Just vacuum, spray mop, and toss. The shark vacmop, a complete clean all in one pad. I do motivational speakingld. music in addition to the substitute teaching. I honestly feel that thats my calling to give back to younger people. 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Were such a Small Community that its starting to hit home and its starting to wipe out families. Just to see that they want to open everything back up and back to normal and everyone say, this is like the flu this is not the flu. This is a monster. Welcome back. Those are Health Care Workers on the front lines of the virus fight in their own words, talking about what they are facing as cases are on the rise in nearly half of the country. Since late february, more than 120,000 people have died in this country and weve now surpassed 2. 3 million confirmed cases. Meanwhile, President Trump is planning a trip tomorrow to one of the nations hottest hotspots, arizona, which has one of the highest growth rates in the country. The state has set a record for coronavirusrelated hospitalizations, seven days in a row. At least eight other states including texas, florida and both carolinas also set records this weekend, either in case numbers or in hospitalizations. Including today, texas, has now set a hospitalization record ten days in a row. And while President Trump insists case numbers are on the rise, due to an increase in testing, according to the covid tracking project, testing in florida over the last week actually slowed by 3 while cases increased by 88 . Florida had an unwelcome milestone today. 1 00,000 cases in that state. Floridas Governor Ron Desantis claimed, quote, overwhelmingly hispanic farm workers for the outbreak in his state. Lets bring in carry sanders, who is in florida. Can you help explain the governors statement blaming the hispanic farm workers . Reporter well, its really upset the folks in a town like here, this is collier county, florida. They feel that the governor overlooked them to begin with, the department of health here, and at one point, just last week, they began to shut down, but the Doctors Without Borders, thats an organization youre probably familiar with in war zones or in other natural disasters, they actually set up here to help people who are being overlooked. It was a case of the farm workers being out in the fields and unable to access the Health Department in the hours the Health Department set up. It was such a restrictive set of hours. And when they reached out to the Health Department, it was sort of like, well, thats what we do. It eventually changed. The Doctors Without Borders finally decided that now the state is handling it, but when the governor pointed a finger at them, they were quite offended. The statistics are really quite troubling. 1 in 25 here in this area testing positive for coronavirus and state had widwide, you look numbers, this was sort of inevitable across the state, because peachbeaches have opene bars have opened and quite frankly, people have not been using, i guess you would call it due caution. As a matter of fact now, in miami and in several other cities surrounding miami, they have Just Announced in the last half hour, masks will be required when youre outside. What that means, katy, is that if you are going from your house to your car, going from your car to the 7eleven. When you are out in public, you must wear a mask and there will be sanctions for those who do not. Katy . Welcome to what weve been dealing with here in new york now for some time. And look what the cases are doing here, theyre on the way down. Kerry sanders, thank you very much. Ahead, a show of solidarity from nascar drivers after one of their own was targeted. 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Wallace, the only black fulltime driver for nascar, encouraged the sport to ban the Confederate Flag from its tracks and facilitiefacilities earlier month, which they did. Nascar released a statement, saying they launched a full invest gags into the incident, adding that we are angry and outraged and cannot strongly enough state strongly enough how seriously we take this heinous act. There is no place for racism in nascar. U. S. Attorney jay towns said his office, the Justice Department and the fbi are looking into the incident, as well. And in california right now, the family of 18yearold andres guy dar doe is requesting the states attorney general launch an investigation after he was killed late last week by a los angeles sheriffs deputy who was not wearing a body camera. That comes after ba serra released policing reform proposals next week aimed at improving use of force procedures. Joining me now is the California Attorney general, javier ba serra. Leffs talk about your Police Reform measures. I know you are introducing a lot of them, but specifically, this move to dessert if i Police Officers for misconduct. California is one of five states that hadnt had this provision in the state before now. Whats taken so long . I think were moving in the right direction. Californias typically been a little bit ahead of most of the states when it comes to how we deal with Public Servants and i hope this year well continue to make that progress very real here in california, so, whether its dessert if i case of bad cops or making sure we let our agencies come mrooplete investis of bad cops before they resign, these are all the things we want to see in california and throughout the country. What about ga dar doe . Are you going to launch an investigation into his death . Why was the officer not wearing a body cam . So, my interesting is that in los angeles county, the body cam usage is not yet something that has been approved for all the sheriffs. I could be wrong, but thats what i heard. Im not sure why, because most agencies, at least i hope in california, have moved towards body cam usage. In terms of the investigation, were in touch with the l. A. County authorities. We will see where we go from there. We dont typically discuss where we go on any type of request for an investigation unless we need to make something public. You have been called a recent convert to policing reforms. What has changed your mind and why are you proposing all of these new ideas to add oversight over Police Departments and individual Police Officers . Actually, katy, i hope youll stop citing whoever said that, because they obviously didnt do their homework, if you consider me a recent convert when many of the reforms that are being proposed across the board, whether its been the Community Activists or by elected leaders, we made we made those public, many of those reforms public a year and a half ago in a report that we issued after we had done an investigation in the shooting of an individual here in sacramento, california, stefan clark. We are in the process of now releasing soon the second phase of our report, policing practices at the Sacramento Police department, the first of those reports, as i mentioned, came out a year and a half ago. It was the basis, many of those reforms, were the basis for a new law in california that will take effect in january called sb230, that provides for the reforms you hear others calling for. So, whoever continues to say that were late to the game, whether the department of justice or me, doesnt know my record as a. G. Or an elected official. 30 years ago, when i was in the congress, i was one of those that pushed for a number of reforms in the way we do policing. I hope youll stop citing those that didnt do their homework. Well, because you want to know who said it, ill share it, this is a San Francisco chronicle Editorial Board and back it up saying, last year, before Police Reform was cool, he bottled up officer misconduct records in defiance of landmark legislation. He issued his proposals after the states Largest Police unions supported similar steps. And they also say your plan is moderately more substantial and that it proposes blackballing bad cops and urges departments to abandon choke holds outright while otherwise restricting deadly force. Like trump, the attorney general also vaguely called for efforts to get police out of the business of dealing with homelessness, Mental Illness and other noncriminal matters. There is more from the mercury news Editorial Board, as well. So, i would if they were here, i would say to them, they should have todone their homewo. They obviously have not, to claim we have not been in this game for quite some time what they reference, this new law, sb1421 in california, related to the issue of disclosing private, personal information, i did what i was supposed to do under statutstatute, to make su people understand that information, up until 1421, was supposed to be private. My job is to protect peoples privacy, so, i was trying to do what i was supposed to. I made it very clear, before 1441 became the law in california, that i was in favor of disclosing certain personnel information from the records of Police Officers. So, again, its one of those things where we can have a conversation, but people that are missing but are the folks that didnt do their homework. Id be more than willing to have that conversation with them. I want to get you on one other topic before we go and thats the dreamers. The Supreme Court case, the president wants to push back and refile that court case. Theres also news that he is suspending h1b visas. Your state has a number of those visa holders. What are you going to do for them . Are you planning on protecting snem whats next . So, two very interesting subjects on immigration. First, on the daca recipients, its important to remember that the president has to follow the law the way you or i have to follow the law. Hes not above it. The Supreme Court slapped him down last week and said, if you want to do something, which he has the right to do, as an executive for the government, he can do it, but he has to do it according to the law. And so, well wait to see what the president tries to do on daca. We beat him before, were prepared to beat him again. On the issue of guest worker programs, lets put it this way. Guest worker programs are for industries where the industry cannot find americans to do the job. I think most of us would agree that today there are a lot of americans who are unemployed and would like to work. The president is being very selective. Hes cherry picking. Hes deciding which industries wont be able to import workers. I think that is not only offensive, i think it might also be unlawful. And so, i would simply say this, i dont care what your industry is, if there are americans willing to do that work and are qualified, you should hire them. You shouldnt go out there and import people to do the jobs that americans can do, especially during a crisis where so many people are unemployed. California attorney general, thank you very much for joining us. Appreciate your time. Thanks, katy. 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As john bolton accuses President Trump of obstruction of justice, another d. O. J. Official is out of a job at the president s behest. President trump fired u. S. Attorney for the Southern District, geoff berman, on saturday. Berman was overseeing the investigation of trump lawyer Rudy Giulianis business e activitie activities, as well as two Business Associates tied to the ukraine impeachment investigation. The huse Judiciary Committee was already set to hold a hearing on political interference in the Justice Department on wednesday and the committees chairman, gerry nadler, now says he is working to secure bermans testimony, as well. Joining me now is former fbi general counsel and msnbc legal analyst Andrew Weissman. He also served as a lead prosecutor on the Mueller Probe in russian interference in the 2016 election and spent over a decade as a prosecutor for the eastern distriblgt district of new york. Nice to see you. Nice to see you. What is your reaction to berman being ousted . Well, there are a number of reactions. One is complete sort of shock and disbelief, even though there are so many things that people have witnessed so far. Its quite unusual to have a u. S. Attorney who is a tru trumpselected u. S. Attorney su summarily being removed, and you have the fact that barr, on a friday night, said that the u. S. Attorney had resigned and moments later, the u. S. Attorney, again, who was selected by President Trump, saying, no, i didnt. I had no idea that i was being even asked to resign until i read attorney general barrs press release. Quite extraordinary. Lets talk for a second about the person replacing him and the way and the reasoning theyre giving for it, thats thom tom clayton. At the press briefing today, that clayton wanted to move back to new york city and so they gave him this position at the sdny in order to keep him in government. Is that normally a reason to and i dont know, so, you tell me, is that normally a reason where you would oust a u. S. Attorney and replace him with somebody else . Because somebody wanted to move back home . That does not logically work. And heres the reason why, katy. If you wanted to have jay clayton be the new Southern District u. S. Attorney, you can nominate him, but that takes, you know, months to get through. That has nothing to do with the summary removal of geoff berman. In other words, you can tell geoff berman, you know, im nominating somebody else, but please stay in the office and we love you as you are and continue, but that does not explain why you are summarily removing hip. And to me, its analogous to what happened to the trumpselect trumpselected attorney jessie lue, who was removed and there, we know the reason why. Here, we dont yet know the reason, but in d. C. , we know that the reason had to do with putting in a handpicked person loil to the attorney general who reversed the decisions, the sentencing decisions on roger stone and michael flynn. So, you needed to get rid of jesse lue so you could have somebody who was going to be, lets just say, more malleable. Well, lets talk about the motivations, and im sorry, jay clayton, not tom clayton, my apologies for the misspeak. The wall street journal is reporting that william barr and berman had a disagreement over writing a letter criticizing new york city mayor bill de blasio. Is that something that makes sense, that could lead to his removal, a disagreement over a letter, barr wanting him to sign it and berman not signing it . I find that highly unlikely. I mean, to me, it wreaks of sort of an after the fact justification that the attorney general is coming up with. I mean, you have to remember, the attorney general, according to geoff berman, put out a false press release, where he said that that the u. S. Attorney had resigned, when the attorney generals statement is completely contradicted. Not to say that you also have the president of the United States contradicting the attorney general, saying, i never asked for the removal of the u. S. Attorney, that was entirely left up to the attorney general. And the one thing that the law is very clear on is that the attorney general does not have the power to remove a courtappointed United States attorney and geoff berman was a countappointed United States attorney. So, look, the bottom line here is, the real issue is, whats the reason . Whats the reason that this was going on . And thats something that, right now, were all speculating, but you know, hopefully the house will get to the bottom of it. Im just curious, whats going to happen, do you think, to the investigation into Rudy Giuliani and his associates . So, this is what i can tell you. Audrey straus, who is the new acting u. S. Attorney in the Southern District of new york, is a straight arrow. She is going to be doing whatever is appropriate and shes going to take appropriate, aggressive steps, so i dont see her putting up with any guff or political interference from main justice or the attorney general. Andrew weissman, thank you for joining us today and helping us understand what is not easy to understand, frankly. Appreciate your time, sir. Youre welcome. And coming up next, what governments need to do right now to stop rapidly rising Carbon Emissions, as the world comes out of coronavirus lockdowns. You may be learning about, medicare and supplemental insurance. Medicare is great, but it doesnt cover everything. Only about 80 of your part b medicare costs. 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A direct result of the virus lockdowns. Now as many countries and all 50 states have lifted lockdowns, Carbon Emissions are rising back up and doing it fast. Last months climate report estimates Carbon Emissions are only 5 below last years average. Joining me now is rob jackson, a coauthor on this study and a professor of Environmental Sciences at stanford. Rob, good to have you. I want to get to this fast since were going to run out of time. Last month we talked a month ago, may 25th, we talked about this. The emissions had fallen as much as 17 globally 26 in individual countries, now only down 5 . Is this in line with what you expected . Well, unfortunately, it is, if all we do is going back to driving cars and things return to normal. Friday here in the u. S. Was the first day the National Traffic levels had returned to precovid conditions. So were all hopping back in our cars and driving again. But Steel Production is still down by a third on a weekly basis in the u. S. So were getting the air pollution from cars and trucks. Its a tough time. What about air travel . I mean, even if were all getting back in our cars and some people are returning to offices, people arent getting on planes. Theyre not traveling internationally. Theyre barely traveling domestically. What is that going to mean . Well, air traffic is the part of the economy here in the u. S. And globally that has not recovered very much. And its because people are afraid to travel and just staying home. I mean, the good or the bad news depending on perspective is air travel is only a few percent of Carbon Emissions. So there doesnt put that major temperature in emissions. A lot of people out there saw this moment and asked themselves if this could be a moment where, if were going to address this crisis and put people back to work and going to try to shore up the economy, can we do it in an environmentally Sustainable Way . Can we change some practices . We have this moment where were hitting pause, but it hasnt happened. Theres no legislation running down that road. Theres no thought about an infrastructure bill thats correct potentially move in that direction of greener technology. Are you hopeful . How do you feel weve done with this moment . I think weve missed an opportunity, to be quite frank. Around the world, countries are spending more than 10 trillion on stimulus spending, and less than a tenth of a percent, not even 1 , but a tenth of a percent is going to green energy, and thats true in the u. S. We have essentially nothing in t the bill and 600,000 people out of work in clean energy. We loaned tesla 500 million and they paid it back and now 20,000 americans are producing cars here. So we need to do a lot better. Right now we are not doing a great job in stimulus spending. Missed opportunity. Rob jackson, thanks for coming on. Sorry we ran out of time, but well have you back. Appreciate it, sir. Thank you. 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We both know, viewers know lawyers will always tell people, no matter what it is, dont go out and do the interview. You guys got the interview and we all learned from it. So it was interesting and nice to see you as