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Error. Billionaire tom steyer in third place at 15 followed by Pete Buttigieg, Elizabeth Warren and Amy Klobuchar. While biden is leading among africanamerican likely voter who is favor him over sanders, that margin is much closer now than it was in 2016 when Hillary Clinton crushed sanders among africanamerican voters. The former Vice President is expected to get a boost on wednesday when nbc news has con termed fo confirmed long time congressman clyburn will endorse him. Leading in National Polls by double digits and ahead in super tuesday states like california. That has his supporters very fired up and it has a lot of establishment democrats very concerned. Especially as sanders a democratic socialist defended some of his past comments about Fidel Castros policies on 60 minutes. We are very opposed to the nature of cuba. You know, its unfair to say everything is bad. When castro came into office, he had a massive literacy program. Is that a bad thing . Dissidents in prison didnt. We condemn that. Unlike donald trump, lets be clear. I do not think that kim jongun is a good friend. I dont trade love letters with a murdering dictator. Vladimir putin not a great friend of mine. Several of sanders 2020 rivals slammed him for the comments today and biden saying its part of the pattern and buttigieg calling it a quote risk to nominate sanders. It is the latest sign that as sanders rises his opponents are beginning to take him on, head on. For more im joined by kerry dan for nbc news. Shaquille brewster covering the Sanders Campaign for nbc news. Mike memoli and andy shane, the Columbia Bureau chief in South Carolina. Everybody, welcome. Andy, since this is your state, youre the expert down there, i want to start with you. Biden is still leading although it is narrow and the support among africanamericans has lessened. Tell me whats happening. Whats essentially happening is that joe bidens astronomical lead held in South Carolina for much of last year just came down. Not necessarily so much that Bernie Sanders has really risen in the numbers. They have been fairly consistent in the polling that we have seen over the year. But basically, biden is just come on down to his level. And essentially sanders is pretty much where he is at in the number he got when he was pretty shelaced by Hillary Clinton four years ago and with tom steyer there take away the momentum it is a much closer race. Kerry, talk to me about what tom steyer has been doing down there to have a significant place in the polling, only state where he is in a leadership position. Well, the number that i would point out is more than 20 million which is what tom steyer has spent on the air waves in South Carolina alone and just to put it in context, the next closest candidate is Pete Buttigieg who spent somewhere in the neighborhood of 2 million. So hes an outspending the rest of the field by nearly a tenpoint margin. Dominating in that state when nobody else is playing there nearly to the extent he is. He is overperforming with africanamerican voters which i think is eating into joe bidens once enormous lead with a group that Bernie Sanders was as you said shellacked by. Hes eating into the numbers, not great news for the former Vice President. Bidens argument is to be in the best position to beat donald trump and National Polls an state specific polls that do still show that but right here in this poll, you have a certain segment saying electability is number one issue and another equal segment, young progressive voter, saying policies issues are most important or top priority. Hows joe biden going about making the electability argument as he sees his poll numbers decrease . Reporter well, katy, very early on in this campaign joe bidens primary selling point was that he was relying on democrats fear of donald trump and second term for donald trump to rally democrats to his side. And now we are getting to a point in this campaign where increasingly joe biden relying on the fear of Bernie Sanders at the top of the ikt to rally democrats around his side. We have seen that in his own rhetoric stepped up in recent days, challenging Bernie Sanders, whether or not he could lead the democratic ticket successfully and kasie hunt saying if youre running with, who do you want at the top of the ticket . Democrat running in arizona or another swing state, who do you want at the top of the ticket . It is also interesting, listen. Theyre celebrating publicly a strong second place fannish as they see it but its a disabout the second place finish. They would celebrate a victory in South Carolina but in order to really make the kind of headway they need to cut off a path for Bernie Sanders which seems very clear at this point he needs a bigger win than just four or five points here in South Carolina. So, it is also interesting to see the campaign now just launching a new digital ad making the argument that Bernie Sanders talked about challenging barack obama in 2012 when he was seeking a second term and cant be trusted with obamas legacy. Bae joe biden was at his side. This new digital add, 600,000. It is a reflection of the fact they dont have the kind of money they need to get the message out in a big way. Andy, i want to come back the you first to transition into Bernie Sanders. These comments that are coming out about his past, i dont want to say praise, but his past compliments towards aspects of regimes like the castro regime in cuba, is that playing down there . Are voters aware of that . Is that top of mind . You know what . I think is that people know that Bernie Sanders has a very different record than a lot of other candidates who are still in the race at the moment. You know, obviously the castro comments are still fairly fresh. But the same time, i think, you know, again, sanders has kind of a number here in South Carolina. Hes hitting kind of a same number of four years ago and this could be a winning number this time around and needs to gain more. He said he learned some lesson of four years ago, making better inroads with africanamerican voters making up 6 of every 10 democratic voters in the primary. Essentially its the folks with bernie sticking with bernie. And i think that in the end that could end up giving him if not a win but a virtual win with biden by getting close. Take a look at the fact that sanders has started to campaign in super tuesday states and not here as much as biden is planning to be here this week. In nevada, the day before the caucus in california and texas. Shaq, Bernie Sanders is the frontrunner in this race and now he is getting a lot of the criticism and a lot of the spotlight that a frontrunner gets and drudging up the past comments and the other campaigns are trying to use it against him. The biden and buttigieg campaign, the Bloomberg Campaign saying, hey, listen, look at the comments of fidel castro and where he honeymooned. This is how republicans if not the democrats but republicans will go after him in the general election. Hows the campaign responding . Reporter well, the talk was dismissed as people throwing political barbs and doesnt have a true concern or problem with that issue. They won the first three contests how they look at it. They feel they have hinted of a coalition forming. In nevada he got 51 of latinos. Even among moderate voters pating in that democratic caucus, you saw him competing for first place there. They feel good about what theyre doing and momentum coming into South Carolina. The thing is here in South Carolina, this is not a state to invest as much as the early three states. He just put up the First Television ad less than a week ago here so hes not been here as much as the earlier states. However, they feel like he has some momentum coming from the early states and see the polls tigtdening and now whereas before saying this is not a state they expected to win and would do better than others expected and now setting the expectations saying they think he can win here. If he does, that sets him up further where you mentioned he is already campaigning and he was in texas this weekend, going to North Carolina and virginia this week leaving South Carolina at some point. You are seeing them feel good and feeling like they have momentum to go further. Hell be center stage tomorrow in the debate presumably leading in so many of the polls. Are they expecting for him to be the center of attention or are they hoping that Michael Bloomberg for his second debate is going to take some of the fire that would otherwise normally go to the clear frontrunner in the race . Reporter you know, every time, before every debate thats a question i ask. Are you ready for the increased focus to see and i interviewed senator right before the New Hampshire debate after that iowa finish and something he told me, hey, im not new to this. I can handle the attacks. This Campaign Sees it as his big ideas, medicare for all, college for all, they have been at the center of this attack, the center of the divide in the Democratic Party. Theyre not expecting much new from that. While the volume of the attacks may increase in terms of how he responds to it, thats a consistent response that they believe he will have. It will be interesting to watch if the candidates find new areas of attack. You have the new comments of fidel castro, an opening a give the other campaigns. Andy, finally to you, jim clyburn will announce endorsement of joe biden this week. Do you expect it to move the needle of support of voters in South Carolina . It should help solidify some things for joe biden. He could use any help at this point in South Carolina. It is just been such a slog for him in the past few weeks and again, this is coming from a position where he has been the dominant leader in South Carolina all through 2019 and then the calendar turned and it seemed like the fortunes turned. And South Carolina, again, the firewall, the you know, the cliche coming up about this. Its not just a firewall. He has to win again by double digits to do it and maybe jim clyburn can help him get some separation from Bernie Sanders at this point. Maybe get people excited to come out and vote for him. Thats what people expect down here. Congressman clyburn said hes looking at Amy Klobuchar and Elizabeth Warren and the conventional wisdom is to back biden and give him a little bit of support. Conventional wisdom and nbc news reporting. We dont know what will happen on saturday and waiting the find out. Just like everybody else. Andy, carrie, shaq and mike, thank you. No matter what you did this weekend, Bernie Sanders probably had a better weekend than you. Now the opponents are againing to take him on. But in crushing the competition in nevada did sanders crush the democratic establishments hopes of stopping him . whistling whistling if you have moderate to severe psoriasis. Or psoriatic arthritis, little things, can become your big moment. Thats why theres otezla. Otezla is not an injection or a cream. Its a pill that treats differently. For psoriasis, 75 clearer skin is achievable. With reduced redness, thickness, and scaliness of plaques. For psoriatic arthritis,. Otezla is proven. 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So why would i get out . Thats not even a close call for me. And i think why would you have a call for the two women to get out when you have two billionaires in the race . Welcome back. Like other democrats in the president ial field Amy Klobuchar says she has no plans of xitding the race following Bernie Sanderss resounding win in nevada. We head towards South Carolina and super tuesday. Which could be good news for sanders and bad news for establishment democrats who worry about how he will fare in a general election. Joining me now is nick canfasori, maxine and noah rothman. I feel like i could have substituted Donald Trumps name for Bernie Sanders and republicans for democrats and read that exact same open to a segment four years ago. Consolidating, no ones consolidating and donald trump runs away with it. Bernie Sanders Campaign says, well fine, why consolidate the moderate lane . Stop trying to argue with it. Look. I think that they have a point. Right . So theyre going into these races and winning. So that they get credit for that, organizing and turning out their supporters. However, i do think that there is a certain moment that they need to take a step back and look at the coalition theyre trying to build going forward. So its not necessarily about consolidating a socalled moderate lane but i dont necessarily think the lanes are distinct in terms of the voters opposed to the actual candidates in the race. Theyre more moderate. I dont know that the divide were seeing right now in the Democratic Party is moderate progressive. I think its generational and so one of the things that Bernie Sanders is going to have to do in this moment is get older black voters to get on to the Bernie Sanders train. More than that. Older voters period. But certainly begin with older black voters. First South Carolina is coming up. Thats where that lead, that joe biden has, right now, that is the meat of that lead. And with regards to some of the other candidates and the states looking forward, i dont know if the tom steyer number is real or an artificial number because when you put a ltd. Of money into reaching out to voters it is effective if youre up on black radio, putting up signs in barbershops and that bloomberg number or steyer number . Steyer in South Carolina specifically. The same is true for bloomberg, as well. But i think that Bernie Sanders and biden actually have credibility in these communities in South Carolina and so well see how that shakes out but but bernie has work to do with the older voters of color. Joe biden doesnt have a resounding win, a far and above leads the pack win, what is the case moving forward into super tuesday . It is always good to win and a win helps shape the conversation. Thats important. I think sanders, though, not just consolidating the left. He is establishing himself as a real choice, a second choice for lot of people who currently back candidates like joe biden. And winning helps won three times depending on how you calculate it. Do you see this as the same thing happening with trump that donald trump proved that he had a solid base and he proved to republicans that he was going to be the one and then republicans by and large voted for him in 2016 . It is not dissimilar for all democrat who is are suffering in this moment. Republicans who lived through this in 2016. We have a support group. We meet on fridays. You are invited. The difference between 2016 then and 2020 now, when i saw head to head polls of hypothetical of donald trump and ted cruz, marco rubio, they won. With bernie and other the democrat in the race, Bernie Sanders survives, a second choice for quite a few voters on the second track. So the notion here also consolidation as nick said, the Democratic Party, establishmentarians softening the approach to Bernie Sanders suggest that this is a much quicker process for Bernie Sanders. My question is, theres half of a certain segment of voters saying policy is more important and biden voters say electability is more important. If Bernie Sanders is the one winning dont those electability voters immediately move to Bernie Sanders by virtue of wanting to elect donald trump out of office . I dont know that its immediate. He has work to do. If he is the nominee. Yes. But up until that point i think that theres a little work there that the Campaign Needs to do to assure those older voters that the plans that hes trying to put into place are realistic. That is the divide. Right . I think that actually is a distinction of a warren and Bernie Sanders. She has a lot more details. He still needs to fill some of those in and what the voters want to hear. They like medicare for all in theory. Can you actually get it done . Tell me how. Not putting minutes to it and on 60 minutes. A shambles for the campaign and ran as a conviction politician. That is a huge strength. Gotten a lot of what he promised done in terms of policy. Donald trump has gotten a lot of meatier parts of the policy convictions, the tax break, the muslim ban and doesnt call it a muslim ban. He hasnt built the wall but hes certainly taking money from other projects to fund that. Yeah. He is doing that. Im not going to say he got everything he promised done. Conservative judges. Why is it that we allow men to run on conviction and require detail from the women . We require details from male politicians, too. Not in this particular case. The fact that Bernie Sanders not provided them is a detriment to his campaign. Im asking why the standard is not the same. Not a detriment to him the same as Elizabeth Warren refusing to answer that question on stage and suddenly her numbers started to sipg. Her momentum started to stall. One of the reasons why we had these white papers coming out, plausible or not is because candidates like bill clinton were coming out of left field. Her momentum stalled where what does that have to do with my question of today . The impetus of why we have the episodes when candidates that dont suggest policy experience provide that to reassure Elizabeth Warren got into politics based on the strength of her lets talk about Elizabeth Warren. Not polling as well. But she did do well postdebate if you look at the nevada votes that came in postdebate. A lot of those votes came in predebate. If Elizabeth Warren has a night tomorrow night like last week in nevada, do her numbers change dramatically in South Carolina or super tuesday . A number to sorry. You first. One of the numbers i was looking at on the election day in nevada on saturday was the number of day of caucus goers who shifted to Elizabeth Warren and i think that that debate performance unfortunately came too late to impact nevada so well see. I also think that the electorate is very different in South Carolina. We are talking about 60 of the primary electorate in South Carolina black people and im looking for messaging coming from the candidates that are targeted directly to the communities and so if she hopes to make inroads i would hope that she would be more expolice sit about racial and social justice and brought it up when the race wasnt about race. She is the model of the candidate that left thought leaders think should be the nominee. Shes smart, policy focused, a great debater. Doesnt have the baggage. Voters have not come for her. I think it is Bernie Sanders. If you want a revolution, sanders is probably your candidate. If you dont, ill not sure its warren. It is to occupy in this spread of candidates i think. Guys, stick with us. Ahead, Bernie Sanders millennial army, the 78yearold is oldest candidate in the field and a massive support from some of the youngest voters. Well take a look at why that is coming up. At fidelity, well help you build a clear plan for retirement. One that covers health care costs, taxes, and any other uncertainties. Because when youre with fidelity, a partner who makes sure every step is clear, theres nothing to stop you from moving forward. Lobster fan like wild caught lobster, butter poached, creamy and roasted. Or try lobster sauteed with crab, shrimp and more. So hurry in and lets lobsterfest. Or get it to go at red lobster dot com so hurry in too many afterparties. New neutrogena® bright boost with dullnessfighting neoglucosamine. Boosts cell turnover by 10 times for instantly brighter skin. Bright boost neutrogena®. By consolidating your Credit Card Debt into one monthly payment. 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He is obviously not a millennial, not profiled but you profile a number of millennial leaders including peete buttigig and you talk about whats happened in their lives and how that shaped their political views but also its lent some insight into how millennials in general think. First off, lets clear the air on the term democratic socialism. What does that mean to a millennial . Right. So i think of democratic social itch as almost a generational wor shack test. Bread lines. Millennials who by the way the oldest millennials 8 or 9 when the berlin wall fell and dont have a cold war context that their parents and grandparents do. They think of socialism and sweden where you can get health care easily and its affordable or other places in Northern Europe where theres free child care or places where education is totally provided by the government even in up to graduate degrees. And so, theres this difference in context for the word and, you know, its also not true that all millennials are card carrying members of the democratic socialists of america. The organization is fairly small. It can roughly fit inside fenway park but the term has just lost its sting among this generation. And it could also be why someone like Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren, advocating for a larger social safety net and for this country to work the way than Northern European countries work find him appealing. When i read the book, i thought about the last 20 years in the eyes, 20, 25 years in the eyes of a millennial, columbine, 9 11, the financial crisis, college debt, all of these things, all of these ways in which the system was no longer working. Asked to believe in a system that for them has not proven to gain any results. Yeah. So much of what this book is about is how the assumptions and prejudices of the 20th century dont hold two decades in to the 20 21st century and why theyre looking far different change because it feels like for the last couple of decades we have been living in leftover land from 20th century politics. Lets read this part. When Mitch Mcconnell graduated in 1964 tuition cost 330. About 2,800 in todays dollars. Ed to it is up more than 300 even when adjusted for inflation. The concept of working your way through school is now effectively impossible because College Costs too much and jobs pay too little. Also, when he was going to college it wasnt mandatory that you get a fouryear degree to do anything or everything in this country. Yeah. You know, a couple things have happened over the last couple decades that made college such a squeeze. Like i said the cost of college has gone way up. Wages have stayed stagnant. The other is that college is now prerequisite to do anything in life and true whether youre a woman or a man, whether you want to be a doctor or a hairdresser or a preschoolteacher, whether you live in the United States or you live abroad so suddenly the United States Education System which in Mitch Mcconnells time because of all kinds of structural inequalities like segregation and sexism was really for only white men at that period is now educating not only the entire country but also parts of the entire world and so thats part of the reason why its gotten so expensive and why its so unaffordable for so many young people. Looking to Bernie Sanders or warren and hear them say Free College Tuition they that resonates with them because theyre Walking Around with 50,000 in debt and doesnt resonate to a boomer because they didnt have that sort of debt. Yes. I think it is important to talk about what free means. When Bernie Sanders says free he means taxpayer funded so again these are all people who are tax paying citizens and just a question of how the tax dollars are used and one of the things i try to trace in the book is over the course of the last several decades theres a radical deinvestment in the higher Education System and used to be way more funding for the public universities and less and less and frankly as boomer politicians shifted the cost to the students and what Bernie Sanders is young supporters are asking for is a reinvestment to where we were even 30 or 40 years ago. Rebalance the playing field. There are so many answers in this for anyone to understand the times and why younger people feel the way they do. Thank you so much. Its on book shelves and in bookstores everywhere. Thank you. Ahead, turning to a different kind of chaos, what is russias real goal for interfering in the 2020 president ial election . 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The First National primary day for the 2020 election is just over a week away and looming over the entire campaign is the knowledge that russia is intent on interfering again. Using the election to sow division and create chaos. We know the president was furious at lawmakers told in the briefing last week that russia was trying to help donald trump in 2020 but one current official familiar with the matter told nbc news that the Election Security chief who briefed congress overstated the intelligence showing that russia had a clear preference for trump. The goal teems to be undercutting the elections and doing whatever is necessary to achieve that goal. Here now with a look at what forms that may take and if it is already working former fbi special agent and Msnbc National Security analyst clint watts and former cia chief of staff larry pfeifer, currently the director of the hayden center. Larry, so russias attempts to get into our election, i think you got to look at it two ways. Long term and short term. We have the 2020 election upon us. National security sources say to me that short term there is not the intelligence that can say definitively theres a preference for donald trump but rather there is a preference to undermine our confidence in our system at whatever cost. Well, katy, ultimately that is their primary goal. They want to disrupt our democratic system. They want us fighting amongst ourselves, focused inward rather than externally for them to make the gains that they have made in the last three and a half years. The frankly my view is American People need to stop worrying about which candidate they are or are not supporting and focus on the fact that they are attacking the democracy and fight against that. How do you become more aware of that . Theres an apparatus in place to make sure that there are paper ballots in trying for all of the states, going do get to the battleground states at the very least. There is not a centralized system so that is a benefit. So how voters in particular guard themselves against the attempts that russia is making to disrupt again . Yeah. I think the weakest point is our political leaders and candidates. If you watch whats unfolded in the last week, the institutions are making assessments about what the lanes of russia are visavis the candidate its and Bernie Sanders last friday we heard had been briefed but rather than just accepting it and moving on you saw the president react very strongly in terms of removing the dni over something thats minor in the grand scheme of things and Bernie Sanders also being battered back and forth and talking about this stuff. I agree with larry that the long run plan for this is to make people feel confident that their vote counts on election day, that theres been no interference from afar and be assured and have trust that the person coming out of the ballot box is the one that they picked and won the majority of the vote and the tough part for the institutions is battered back and forth by the candidates either with election rig, voter fraud, being pushed away by the party and doesnt restore any sort of confidence to the electorate at all. What will they be doing, clint . In terms of the russians, two phases of this, we are in the first phase where theyre gong to try to manipulate or push any sort of candidate that is sympathetic to their world view up into their elected position. Thats the basis. If you just look across the board Vladimir Putin is very open he wanted trump to win in 2016. We have seen open source reporting about hacking at b barisma. And at the same point they want to push a populist wedge. Think about the Foreign Policy on the democratic side right now. Listening to people like Vice President biden talking about nato and the European Union Building Alliance and pushing back against 2016. In terms of sanders, he isnt wanting the support per se but listen to his message. Talking about neighal security, climate change, rarely do you hear him talk about nato or European Union or being strong guest russia and from russias perspective, theyre probably quite happy with the joutd come and not sure they do that much to interfere in 2020 particularly when even reacts so strongly to it. Larry, i feel like this is the point in the campaign where our journalists or National Security types tell our family members to get off facebook and twitter. Yeah. What i would say is when youre looking at it and reading these materials you need to be looking at the sources. Dig a little deeper. Dont let somebody else fell teu to think. Take the steps of fifth grade civics class to be an informed citizen. Just because they have a check next to the name doesnt mean theyre a trusted source go. To a newspaper or a network news outlet. Looking at the two candidates, Bernie Sanders versus trump, if it is Bernie Sanders versus trump, do you have the same take that clint does that russia might not have a premference fo either one . I think so. You have two candidates who are clearly disrupters and disruption is going to bring internal arguments, it is going to take the focus away from our activities abroad which opens up the world for russia to make inroads. And then what about the president , larry . Can the government, even if they are systems in place to protect against the physical changing of votes, can the government really protect against this disinformation if the president himself and the National Security adviser on Television Going out and spreading things like that . Absolutely does not help with the president and National Security adviser espousing disinformation that seems to come right out of the russian playbook. Absolutely. Again, we need to stay informed, we need to work closely with the Technology Companies to identify those sources of disinformation more readily. Clint and larry, thank you very much. Well dig into the political fallout of the russian revelations coming up next. Hello son, i think its time you join the family business. Dad, come on. Im. Going to old spice fiji . Dad, im an old spice body and face wash kinda guy. Hmm, moisturizing. Ok so, magnificent mile for me. I thought i was managing my moderate to severe Crohns Disease. Until i realized something was missing. Me. You ok, sis . 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No matter what im hauling. Right, girl . Singers safelite repair, safelite replace. So its mr. Maguire dismissed because they informed the House Intelligence Committee . No, no, no. Of this information. No, no. Had he not, would we be here . He was not the actual one testifying in front of the committee. I know. It was people beneath him. Allowing it to happen, the president did not like . It was not a matter of allowing it to happen but whats the oversight and how it happens . Welcome back. That was Vice President mike pences chief of staff yesterday denying claiming that dni Joseph Maguire fired because he took reports of renewed Russian Election interference to the House Intelligence Committee. Lets welcome back the panel. Mark is saying that Joseph Maguire, the acting dni, was not fired because of this house intel report. All of the reporting says otherwise. Well, there were two officials that spoke with the New York Times saying that the timing coincidental. We can only hope it was because the alternative, the establishment of this precedent, the politicization of informing the house intelligence officials about intelligence would be disastrous for the future of the republic. Replacing him with ric grenell . Explain who he is. Known for a loyalist and on twitter a lot. No background in intelligence but fiercely loyal to the president and whens strange about this, the office in charge of is not meant to be a a poli. Its meant to be an honest broker among the intel agencies. And that person who is a twitter troll in waiting is going to have the keys on our intelligence, perhaps. Its part of this larger pattern weve seen which is donald trump rewarding his friends and finishing his enemies. Maguire not somebody according to the reporting that was doing a job that the president liked. There was that intel briefing that talked about russia linebacking him. Have i reporting that that intel or that briefing was maybe exaggerated or not quite right there. Wasnt the underlying intel beneath it and it was a bipartisan pushback to it. But when you take that with the installation of rick grenell, and you look at, i dont know, the pardons that the president has made, what is your takeaway, zerlina . I dont think he takes the rule of law particularly seriously. I dont think that you can say that with a straight face at this stage, right . Were post impeachment, post acquittal. And we are looking down the barrel of the reality that russia may try to cheat on behalf of donald trump again. While the intelligence we have right now, obviously theyre still trying to confirm whether or not that is the case and to the extent with which russia is trying to interfere. But thats the reality and it could be easy for the president to come outside and say, you know, russia, not if youre listening, hack hillarys emails. How about russia, cut it out, stop trying to interfere in our election. These are Democratic Institutions and youre going the face consequences if you try to interfere. But he cannot do that because theyre helping him. So the same headline came out about Bernie Sanders last week that russia was interfering, and there was talk about Bernie Sanders. And his reaction was russia, stop it, quit it, get out of here. Not the same reaction as the president s. That is the appropriate reaction. Joe biden had a statement about Bernie Sanders that was in some ways a little unfair. He said Bernie Sanders has a history of cozying up to authoritarian figures. Thats not true. Bernie sanders has a habit of cozying up to marxist regimes. The president has no such ideological inclinations, but he does have a soft spot for Vladimir Putin and lets it show all the time. And kim jongun. Were all russia hawks. If you like containing and isolating russia, this administrations policy providing natural gas to poland, arms to ukraine, magnitsky sanction, thats all great. What the president confronts is putin get a pliant president , they got a paranoid president who periodically paralyze his own government with conspiracy theories. Thats why he was impeached. Thats why he fired james comey, which led to the special counsel. If that is your investment and return, thats a good investment. Their investment is to sow chaos, they have been particularly successful in that. That is their longterm goal. From the sources i talk to, its more about making sure that we are all distrustful of our institution, making sure that the candidates fight amongst each other, making sure that we are not a functional democracy any longer. Listen, the paranoia in the oval office right now is a danger to both the country and the president. What were seeing with this staff list, this purge list is one example of that. This is an example of people outside the white house who are conjuring fake disloyalty to move people. We should set the scene. This is axios reporting that there is a deep state purge list there is a whole group of people who are working on, clufding one of the Supreme Court justices wives, working on figuring out who the who the people who are not loyal to the president are within the government and getting him out of there. And the accusations are totally fictional. What they really want to do is move their own people into these jobs. But theyre exploiting the president s paranoia to feed him this information. Thats not good for him. He is going to lose people who are pretty competent at carrying his own agenda out. You in the break questioned whether they would be effective at this. I wonder why. There is an easy way to do this, right . The president has the authority to put the people in he wants to, and you can do that quietly and effectively and pain tain some order in these departments, your do it this way, which is sow some sort of distrust and create paranoia, a competition around everyone, a sword of damocles overtheir heads and let everyone know there is an ideological character to these hires and firings. And thats a little distasteful. And frustrating for people who want to see men and women of good character in these offices. Why would you apply and be a part of this kind of environment when this is what is going to happen to you. Im going have to to leave there it. Noah, zerlina and nick, thank you very much. Ahead, remembering a hidden figure. You should be mad at tech thats unnecessarily complicated. Make ice. Making ice. But youre not because you have e trade which isnt complicated. Their tools make trading quicker and simpler so you can take on the markets with confidence. Dont get mad get e trade. 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