Vladimir putin. Robert mueller is curious about why he has kept call of his meetings with Vladimir Putin so private. He has several meetings with imincluding most recently at the g 20. We in the public do not have a full affect of what was said to each other, but neither do key senior officials in the white house, neither do the National Security community. In light of all of this what the president said and did is now being reexamined. The fbi was suspicious that President Trump was working for Vladimir Putin. There is President Trump reportedly taking the extraordinary step of concealing details and notes from a two plus hour meeting from 2016. Were covering this from multiple angles. Joining me now, John Mclaughlin form former cia director. And of course msnbc analyst, and michael schmidt, the russia scoop machine these days. Michael, let me start with you. It was just a little asize in peter bakers piece, but it indicated that mueller was looking into the president s meetings with putin. Under what predex is he doing that and how does it not violate the scope of his presentation . Well, i mean the thing you to look at is something that flu under the radar. In those things, he provided help to russia questions. The president said he would not answer them, but it is real questions. The president didnt know at the time the president s ties to russia and here they were at this Counter Intelligence investigation into the president s ties to our adversary. We know those questions because as we reported on them last year are very specific to the president s travel to russia, the things he said about russia on the campaign, they wanted answers to those things, we dont know what they were but they were asking about them. I want to put together this time line, this is number three, guys, in the control room. July 2017, they meet in hammburg, thats when trump takes the translators notes. The next day the president dictates the misleading air force one statement. Then we find out according to peter bakers piece that the president calls a reporter to make the case of how putin didnt meddle. Those facts, youre former head of the cia, what do you do with that . How much suspicion does this create . Saying we dont know what, and in the memo he dictates that basically it was a meeting about adoption and other things, he lies about it, we learn subsequently that the meeting was about more than that. We know everything about it now. You to be suspicious that in that conversation with putin, he might have because by then, the New York Times asked the administration about that story. They had not published it yet. They had some time and michael schmidt, if you can recall, would the president have known before the Putin Meeting the request that the times put in about that trump tower meeting at that point . Im not sure, we dont know how much of the word, had gotten back to the president at that time. It is just something that i dont know the answer to that. But my point is that we have to assume that it is possible that someone in the white house, this is how administrations have worked when i have been in them, that someone would call the president ial party and say the New York Times is asking about this story and they think it was about more than adoptions, so he may have had knowledge of that about to come out. When he dictates this memo, and we dont know what he talked to putin about, but it is not inconceivabl inconceivable. Yeah, now trump tower, now there is Something Weird here. Also in the set up, the russians kigales they had dirt of hillary clinton. What did you have in mind there . Where is the beef here. Met he will go to our putin whisperer, i want to put up number four here, this excerpt, this was a back and fourth here an air force woun, november 11th, 2017 after his meeting with vietnam, did the attempts to meddle in the Elections Come up . He said he didnt meddle, i asked him again, you can only ask so many times. He says he did not do what you say he did. Do you believe him . I cant stand there and argue with him. I would rather he get out of syria. How is putin communicating what he wants to this president and do you think he is using him, treating him like he is an asset . That is a harder question. I will pump that one back to john, im not a Counter Intelligence expert. Of course he has strategic objectives that he think Social Security in russias National Interest welcome he thinks that President Trump is a useful ally in those outcomes. For years putin wanted the United States to leave syria, but the greatest dream in his world is to see disrump in nato. When you hear the word adoptions, that is the other side of the coin for lifting sanctions. President obama saved an act sanctioning russia officials. So any time you hear that word, they are taurking about lifting sanctions and by the way congress tried to reverse it today, but they just lifted sanctions on one of the closest russian oligarchs today. The chain, trump is elected, and now she doing things in putin and russias interest defined by putin. Yeah, i was punted something, and i want to do that. Is he treating trump as an asset . What putin is doing is testing trump. He is telling him a lie and seeing if he buys it. And apparently trump buys it. Here is what i learned about talking to russians. They will never admit that they got them. They will not say yeah, you got me, they know you know. The important thing for trump to do is say mr. Trump we know that you were interfering on a solid level, but we know you did, lets move on. It changes the dynamics. That is how i aels felt about it. We have discussed different meetings here from a coupuouple 17. I want to play the infamous helsinki moment here. But realize that he has met with him several times. Now listen to him in 2017. He staid is not russia. I dont sigh any reason why it would be. I have great confidence in my intelligence people, but i will tell you that president putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today. It was probably alarming in that moment, but when you put that deny after every action he has taken in previous Putin Meetings, and youre bob mueller, what do you do . That is sort of the interesting thing. The president continues to do and say things about russia, its not like a bunch of stuff that happened in the campaign. They made the moment about russia going to afghanistan. And reading off of talking points about it when you do stop looking at Different Things related to the president , the president continues to raise these questions. But certainly it doesnt make the issue go away. What would you do at the cia right now. If you dont know what he has done or said. How would you find out what he has done in a nefarious way. You cant find out from him, what do you do . What is the best thing to do. First it would be to go to everyone around him. Probably call tillerson who is still around. And say what do you know about that . Did he really not tell you anything about it . That would be information for itself. Also, you you sources who may know that because they may have heard from someone else, they are taking action based on hey, putin says says we can do it so start doing it. You pulse your sources and see if you can piece together some evidence of what took place there and you have legitimate cause to do that. Youre trying to figure out what a russian told an american. The most interesting thing to me, if i could talk to that interpreter, is what case did putin make. Why was it so persuasive. You know these interrupt pre well, will they be subpoenaed, how will they handle being questioned by congress . You know who they are, this will be Something Like we have never dealt with before. The first order of business to johns point is if you work in the u. S. Government and there are department employees, why are they not being briefed by the senior director. That information, unless the president told him after he helsinki under no certain terms, that would be interesting to know. And we dont yet know that to be the case. And is that this is something that we will find out, could the president prevent the interpreter using executive privilege from appearing before a closed session here . I think there is a decent argument for that. We have not seen that part of the story. Mueller is in the checktive privilege. They go talk to mueller and the president allowed that to happen, but you could hear that has they push birdie documents and witnesses. Another person that may be subpoenaed is rx tsectio rex ti. Thank you, guys. Were going to get to other parts of the government shut down at this point. Up next, why this has been the best week ever for Vladimir Putin. Well follow the straight like from the kremlin to democracy and chaos. To democracy and chaos. Ngs can be a big deal. Thats why theres otezla. Otezla is not an injection or a cream. Its a pill that treats differently. For psoriasis, 75 clearer skin is achievable, with reduced redness, thickness, and scaliness of plaques. For psoriatic arthritis, otezla is proven to reduce joint swelling, tenderness, and pain. And the otezla prescribing information has no requirement for routine lab monitoring. Dont use if youre allergic to otezla. It may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. 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Were in the middest of this, we look across and we see brexit, and say wait, our lip, one of the biggest goals that putin had was to so discord american smock i did. And there is no question that he achieved that. He wanted President Trump to win the election. He saw the president does a wrecking bag to the political system and he was doing a great job. How much more concerned should we be . They have systematically stuck a finger in every pie. Were talks about egypt, india, the russians messing around with the chinese i was like another one. Yeah, bottom line is that with unilaterally disarmed. We have not figured out how to protect our systems against these bad guys with a lot of purpose and resource. Cfr did a piece recently saying why is putin doing this and why is he doing it now. He basically without him being able to divert attention to what is happening in russia, the fact they dont have a growing economy. The fact they cannot find jobs, they have to doisrupt and destabilize the rest of the world order. That is one of the things that they want the distraction of the shut down. Distracting from one bad story to another. But he just loves crisis. Some of this is just loving crisis, loving fights. He thrives on it because it is an opportunity to wage battles. The president tries to do Something Like pull out of nato. He loves to throw these rhetorical bombs with no intention of doing it. I agree, but just simply having the story out there does what. It is rep henceble. It is true, but at the end of the day, we talk about this all of the time, there is a disconnect between people and their republican parties. As long as were looking for other answers, brexit or anything else, there is an opportunity for bad guys like putin. Can we look at this from the other way . Were looking and you see some of President Trumps thinks that he does, and were looking at it through the prisim that he could just do this. He told us from the beginning about how much he biked hour. It is exactly what is part of a play book. There are people in america that think get out of the alliances. Im saying the kwshs being used to make the case that he is under mining american National Security, tf may be his deeply held belief. Using a law from wac in the 1920s. They have the power to do that. The president might still tales irs to refuse, that would basically settle one question which is are there Financial Links, loans, people speculate that he needs loans from elsewhere. Is there a Financial Link there. Is the frog boiled with the right . He told us a story for two years, he defended putins side of the story for two years has he succeeded . I dont know in the sense that he kept his adversaries off balance, running off the various things, they have no choice, he shut down the government or he is doing these things. Theyre not doing, you know, the Kitchen Cabinet clean up that they said they wanted to do. I dont know. I dont think we know what will be in this report. I do think there is a broader question. We dont have the voices that we should early in 2017 we did. Some of them have switched. So theyre saying are there over folks that are compromises that were unaware of. When you start i dont, you look at positions that nunez had at one point that he does not espou espouse, and these are examples of broader questions. Dpuz it run deeper. President trumps Approval Rating continues to be 85 to 95 for voters. Or a disadvantage when they may want to criticize him, but it could just be people that have an instinct, some of these folks are trying to figure out how to stick around as long as they can do deal with the plane crash or whatever it is. People used to say to me when barack obama was president , of course, i know, look, add it up, everything he is doing is about empowering these guys, and i welcome it was intolerablintole unacceptable, it was not something for polite discourse in my opinion. I think that trump behaved differently, but the notion that there is a vast russian net controlling the Republican Party is the kind of thing that maybe not you, but others have insinuated it and it is ridiculous. People do dumb things in washington because it is dumb, not a experience. There are republicans in congress that say lets wait and see what that says, dont say anything critical of the president even though he has been dieted, if that report is not made Public Congress will be stranded. 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With e me now is jim himes. I know you a potential vote, i understand, cut me off when you have to. Let me start with this. Unfortunately it looks from the outside like official washington is preparing to keep the government partially shut down for awhile. You have trying to put force government workers back to work when they have to. Theyre trying to cobble it together just enough so the public doesnt notice bh. What is the urgency . There is an urgency that the American People should appreciate. They are willing to negotiate on Border Security. I heard the president talk about steel slats. We have more. If there needs to be an addit n additional 20 miles, lets negotiate that. You cant negotiate in a postage situation. No president , republican or democrat should say im going to get my way or im going to stop paying people that keep us safe at airports, nowhere in the constitution does it say that anybody, president , senator, or congressm congressman, has that as a tool. As i keep telling my republican friends, there will be a democratic president some day, do you want them saying im going to stop paying the military until you allow know whatever, do Single Payer Health care, or make marijuana legal, this is not a legitimate policy tool. So reopen the government and then lets have a discussion. If he wont do it, what do you do. I know you have Lindsey Graham out there saying just declare the National Emergency already. So what do you do welcome what is realistic. I think the president needs to say i have conversations that lead know believe that democrats are reasonable on Border Security nap is a true statement. Reopen the government, start paying the 800,000 people out there wondering how they will feed their kids tomorrow, and lets have that discussion and negotiation the way the constitution says it should be done, lets have votes in committee, if the president doesnt like it he can veto it. What does not work is a shut down. The other thing that worries me is that there will be a democratic president some day, a state of emergency, if that is the precedent you want to set, stand by because there will be a democratic president that says we need a state of emergency because i want number one, two, and three and that is no way to governor the country. Lets go to russia, we have the story of what has the president spoken with Vladimir Putin about. What tools does the sbejz committee have at its disposal to get you that answer. It is great, and it is a strange answer, right . It should surprise nobody that they have in some ways, in a limited way, the ability to listen in on conversations between people. It is a very weird situation, but it may be true that we learn about what our pcht said in a closed meeting based on people in russia or russians here talking about what occurred. That is not the way it is supposed to work. I dont need to tell you that if youre taking away peoples notes and not inviting people into the room, why . What is the reason for that . Can you subpoenaing Rex Tillerson . We have a long list of things we need to do, we need protect the mueller investigation, we need to know what was said, when we said we would lierk to have the interpreter come in, well be off to the races, this is a moment when the president should say when im hiding what happened that doesnt look good. Should your priority in the Intell Committee right now this year be less about what the president did as a candidate in 2016 or more about what he discussed in 2017 and 2018. Should that be your soul focus as the Intelligence Committee this year. Were overseeing the emergency committee, it is a very big job. Were also charged with looking at the russian negligence e intelligence out there. That is fair and were going to wait, we need to see what mule ere comes out with. 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Does this sound dismal . It isnt. Its the most wonderful life on earth. If we have another missed paycheck, i would be looking for a parttime job to make up for this one. It is hard to explain to your kids why you can or wasnt do something. You dont know when youre going to get paid. Were not leaving the house if we dont have to, that is gas money. The panel is back, more human faces on this government shut down, doesnt seem to have much of a political impact. Our guests are here, robert costa said a couple senior republican lawmakers tell me that the only way this breaks up is if tsa agents day home and americans get furious lawmakers that were close to the white house. Maria . The challenges that we are for the very first time seeing federal workers march and actually protest. Weve never seen federal workers who are civil servants, normally nonpartisan saying, look, i need my paycheck. The fact we are having this sequestering of asking people to work for free to protect our country and not giving them the recognition that not only is your work valued but you actual ly let me just stop. The reason this is so hard i know so many people that deeply believe in civil service, deeply believe in the functioning of our government and the fact were bringing this upon ourselves instead of working on behalf of the American People it feeds into the idea the system is breaken. The system broke. We broke it. And heres how you can prove that we broke it. Theres a poll out today and it shows that as this thing has gone on, those that oppose the wall, it keeps growing, 88 say dont compromise. 72 that favor the wall say dont compromise. We said it was going to break our ability to govern. It did it. Lets stop saying its going to happen. It has happened. Previous shutdowns show one side or the other is getting blamed and that side caves this is different. Half or more of the country blames President Trump or the republicans, about a third blame democrats. Most of those members are more afraid of the onethird, more afraid of losing in a primary. House democrats represent urban and suburban areas where President Trump is unpopular, the wall is unpopular, and they have no incentive to cave. Its broken. We broke it. Governance is about leadership and everybody seems to have forgotten it. We do need to underscore this. There are real human faces to this. Real people who, you know, live paycheck to paycheck and then dont get a paycheck and dont know what to do. The other side of it were talking about a 4. 4 trillion budget. And were talking about 5 billion. Really . You cant find your way around this . Thats where i see some ownership. This is trump but its also adamantcy. That is chump change in context of the budget. This has become a larger proxy battle over the premise whether immigration is a cause of the nations problems. This is his answer to his voters for what is wrong in their lives. Democrats refuse to accept that. I would argue the American Public has rejected this idea we need a wall. 3 million more people voted for the democratic candidate in the 2016 election. When we are talking about this idea we wanted the wall, make that a midterm issue, the fact the majority of people when you look at who is participating actually do not believe in the wall. We are talking about our American Values and that is what the wall has symbolized. Its not trivial. Its not about money. If it were money, the problem would be solved. I dont think its about the wall either. Lets be frank. It is about this position taking. It is partisanship, rather than acting like grownups. We can disagree until were blue in the face whether the democrats supported or wall or didnt. The democrats in the last since they just got in office a week ago have proposed ten bills, many were similar. And, chuck, we are often aligned. When people say the system is broken, it is not. It is dysfunctional. When we say the system is broken, you can talk to the majority of immigrants saying we left broken systems. Chaos. The fact that we just saw a wave election where for the first time in 100 years we saw americans come out and vote in record numbers, people are paying attention and theyre ready and willing to fix it. President s dont get to 50 50 compromise. President s have to go 80 of the way. President s have to go further. President s always own because they can end it whenever they want. Hes the only one making a demand. Congress does have the power of the purse. Im sorry, that is their power. Its a divided congress. Its on his watch. It is always on the president. Sorry. I said this during obama and the left used to beat the crap out of me. It is always on the president to go more than halfway. If you didnt want to do it, dont run for the job. I think that ship has sailed. Thank you all. 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