Exploring issues that affect leaders in the U. S. And around the globe. Exploring issues that affect leaders in the U. S. And around the globe. Or distorted what happened in the election campaign. But what is Donald Trumps core point that he wants to say even more than no collusion, no collusion, no collusion . It didnt change a vote. So this is a problem. So if they had stepped up their game in 2016 and the Obama Administration was asleep at the switch, maybe they did change some votes. Trump is not stupid well, i wont say stupid or not. Trump wants to deny that russia could have had an influence in 2016 and theyre saying russia could well have had an influence. I understand that some of us are being too cynical about this briefing, but again without the president on it, how do you take it credibly. If makes a big difference. If it were the president , it would be Something Else. The white house continues to want to say and they say this repeatedly, this administration has been tougher on russia than any prior administration. Now, from a policy perspective, fine, make that argument. The problem is the dissidence
trump narrative. There was a disconcerting moment in there. Heres dan coats, three weeks removed from the trump putin meeting. He lives in washington, the president lives in washington. Hes the director of National Intelligence. The number one intelligence person in the country. Take a listen. In the runup to the helsinki summit, u. S. Officials, ambassadors to nato, ambassadors to russia said the president would raise the issue of the malign activity with president putin. He didnt discuss that at least at the Press Conference. Youre saying today that the president has directed you to make the issue of election meddling a priority. How do you explain the disconnect between what you are saying, his advisers, and what the president has said about this issue . Im not in a position to either understand fully or talk about what happened at helsinki. Lahnee, thats the director
of National Intelligence. That happens to be the truth, i guess. Kudos to director coats. He handed it off to bolton, but the director of National Intelligence doesnt feel like he can speak about what happened. This is another problem the president could solve. If the president wanted to, he could come out and say this is exactly what we talked about in helsinki. Maybe he doesnt want to, though. Whether he doesnt want to or yeah, but at least he could come out. Hes not even saying heres what happened. Part of the challenge is that were having this Press Conference, part of it is definitely smoke and mirrors, but if we actually had the wherewithal to protect ourselves against elections, congress would pass special acts to address it. I am struggling on this smoke and mirrors. On one hand it was definitely a pr stunt. On the other hand, im guessing the folks in charge of those agencies are panicked. Its sort of both things are true here. The coats statement is really amazing. If youve been in government,
theres a reason the director of National Intelligence needs to know what was discussed privately. Hes got to actually task people to find out certain things. Hes got to task certain people to go against russian Disinformation Campaigns and talk to foreign governments, so does the secretary of state. Its a real problem in terms of actually having a policy. Think about this. But that is policy. Both of you have been in government and so you know this. As weve learned, its possible our intelligence folks have already had an idea of what the president and putin discussed. The problem is our intel guys know. Dni may know. But because of russians that were surveilling, right, lahnee . Thats exactly the problem. Youre in a situation now where youre not armed fully with the information you need to combat the problem. We know russian disinformation. This is not a surprise. Oh, the russians are meddling in elections. They have been meddling in elections around the world for almost two decades. The fact that theyre trying to
disrupt our election in 2018, this should not be a surprise. Incidentally, if you want to stop them, whats the best way to stop them . The president of the United States says to putin, you do this, youre going to pay a serious price. A, b, c, d. That requires an intergovernmental process to determine what prices we could make them pay. The relevant agencies of the government that act on that. Do we have any sense that the president its nice that theyre doing this but if the president didnt say a word about this to putin in private or at the Press Conference standing next to putin, what does all this mean . The fact that coats said he didnt have a conversation with the president he didnt feel like he had clarity, we cant have those conversations back channelled and say were going to do a, b, c and d. What i took out of this is he doesnt have the power to say these are how were going to strike against russia if those conversations were even had. Paul nakasone, the new nsa director, this is the first time ive seen him in this since he replaced mike rogers. He said essentially he made it clear, were prepared to start going on offense. But it was almost like im waiting for the order. Thats what it sounded like to me. Well, this is the problem we have is that there actually is a unit at the state department, the Global Engagement center, thats responsible for countering disinformation and allowing us to sow discord in other countries if we wanted to. That agency, the funding was not utilized by secretary tillerson. Now the question is, is the administration going to push forward and do all these Different Things . Because they have the tools. They absolutely have the tools. Just go. Nobody is giving the order. And part of it is this definitely was a pr stunt for the american people. But part of it you start wondering, was this also a pr stunt for trump. This is the Briefing Memo from his security team. Or tonight he has his rally and he says, and by the way, i didnt need the russians to help me win. You know thats coming tonight because they said they ramped it up in 2016. What do you think, bill . Well see. The degree to which hes already undercut this message by his behavior in helsinki, both private and public i would say, is really a problem. And again, if there had been i mean thats why he had to personally come out actually to compensate, to fix begin to fix the problem of helsinki . What was he doing . My point is he could have been out there today. Did this follow from an actual meeting with the president where they spent two hours going over and talking about options . He chaired a meeting last week. Which was 25 minutes long or something, in the middle of which he sent a tweet, if im not mistaken. So john bolton got them on the phone and theyre professionals, theyre trying to do their best. But they do not have serious president ial leadership on this. Well, after this, he was able you do wonder if hes getting the best advice because he did tweet out something about
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sets of attorneys actually now. Giuliani has told nbc news that theyre making progress in the negotiations. We seem to hear that about once a month. Are the president and his legal team just trying to avoid being subpoenaed and having that public fight . And what are they so afraid of when it comes to this sitdown . Joining me now is somebody who knows about questioning a president under investigation, sol wisenberg. Welcome back. Thanks. In january is when the times first reported and john dowd, ty cobb were the lead counsel for the president , they were trying to negotiate some form of an interview and parameters of it. We are now in august and its always like ill gladly pay a you quarter tomorrow if we continue these negotiations today. Why . Well, i think a lot of people dont realize that if bob mueller goes into court to try to force the president to
issues a subpoena, the president s Team Challenges it and mueller goes into court to enforce it, it is not at all a gimme that he wins. This is not exactly a situation like it was in watergate with u. S. Versus nixon, because there you had both cox and jaworski, there were two separate tapes cases. They had very narrow subpoenas. They knew exactly what tapes they wanted and they already knew the tapes existed and there were incriminatory conversations on them. Mueller is not in nearly as strong a legal position. So its a Game Of Chicken here . It seems as if the trump folks dont want the bad pr of looking like theyre fighting a subpoena. Mueller is like if i go down that road and dont win, then what. So is that why these are sort of why it feels like this is dragging, because nobody is afraid to say no . I think its partly a Game Of Chicken, but also the danger for
President Trumps team is that the longer it takes, since its going to be difficult for mueller anyway i think to win, the longer it takes, mueller presumably is Gathering Evidence all the time and he might be in a much stronger position to go in at a later time. Is there parameters look, you dealt with a president that was trying to set parameters and its actions in Office Versus actions out of office. Ive always thought if trumps team tries to say, hey, you cant not while hes president , so that was the argument for not asking about the obstruction part. You say thats his actions as president. But would mueller be on Higher Ground if he said im trying to interview about your actions before you were president. Does that make his case of subpoenaing him easier . It makes his case easier of prevailing against the claim of Executive Privilege. Because youre at the height of president ial powers when youre dealing with president ial communications. Theres a 1997 case from the d. C. Circuit, thats the controlling law, that says if you want to get president ial communications and overcome Executive Privilege claim, its got to be very important evidence to you and you basically you have to be able to say we cant get this anywhere else. Does an interview with the president fall under does it fall under that . Its a president ial communication in essence that youre trying to get your hands on . Well, no. The question is from mueller from my understanding of the questions, hes talking about what were you thinking right. When you sent this demand to jeff sessions. What were you thinking right. When you said this to jim comey. Thats president ial communications. Even though its not written down anywhere, its a thought in your head. Well, its a thought, so it goes to the heart of president ial decisionmaking and its also communications. So if mueller says then, fine, im not going to question you on obstruction for now, but i need to know this answer about the Trump Tower Meeting and this
answer about what Jared Kushner did or this answer here in the run runup, at that point does this then does it make it that much harder for the president s team to fight this subpoena . It makes it harder, but in these situations, in these Executive Privilege claims and counterclaims, there are no Blanket Assertions. The president cant make a Blanket Assertion, and Mueller Cant Say cant make a Blanket Assertion and say we demand we need all of this just because were running a criminal investigation. So he needs to say in each instance, this is why i need to find out about the Trump Tower Meeting. And hes in a much stronger position there, you know, before the election. On the obstruction part, does he really need the president . I mean hes putting together a it looks like theyre widening it out with the tweets, connecting actions, they have testimony of potentially Reince Priebus and don mcgahn of saying when they briefed him, for instance, on when did the president find out Michael Flynn was under investigation, things
like that. They have all of these other evidence. Does he actually need the president or is it just a nice addition . I think he needs the president because i think he doesnt have a very strong obstruction case. In my view, the idea that the firing of comey is an obstruction of justice, even if he fired him to protect himself, is not a correct explanation, analysis of the current law. So i think he has unless hes got Something Else, unless hes got Hush Money Dangling Pardons in exchange for not telling the truth. Something more than just sentiment. Yes. And really that all goes back to its not directly on point but the Arthur Andersen case which the mueller team should know about because Andrew Weissman was the prosecutor. The Supreme Court 90 rejected Andrew Weissmans broad view of what corrupt conduct is in the context of an obstruction statute. Thats a 90 opinion. Let me ask you this. How would you go about getting this interview . Youre seeing try to put yourself inside help us, how is mueller going about this. Would you be doing this the same way theyre doing it or would you have a different strategy to get the president to sit down with you . If he really wants them to sit down, i think hes doing the right thing because hes waiting and hes Gathering Evidence. The longer he waits, he actually gets more evidence. And also hes in a position to say ive been very patient with this president. Then he issues the subpoena. Even if trump ultimately wins in court or delays things in court, no president likes to be saying im defying a subpoena. It doesnt look good. Thats why when we subpoenaed finally president clinton, he immediately said, okay, ill come talk, but i need you to withdraw that subpoena. So it wont look good. But ultimately, is your guess that if do you think this happens . Do you think the president ultimately agrees to it . Do you think mueller ultimately has to threaten to issue the subpoena . I dont think hell ever talk to bob mueller. If i were his attorney, i would urge him not to talk to bob mueller, particularly about obstruction, because its a lot easier to prove that you lied to a Law Enforcement officer than to prove obstruction of justice. Sol wisenberg giving us a lot of wisdom today. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks for coming on. Up ahead, are republicans hitting the panic button . Why one closely watched Congressional District could spell bigger trouble than they thought for the gop in november. The fact is, there are over ninetysix hundred roads named park in the u. S. Its americas most popular street name. But Allstate Agents know thats where the similarity stops. If youre on park street in reno, nevada, the high winds of the Washoe Zephyr could damage your siding. And thats very different than living on park ave in sheboygan, wisconsin, where ice dams could cause water damage. But no matter what park you live on, one of 10,000 local Allstate Agents knows yours. 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Sarah sanders got that chance this afternoon when a reporter from cnn, jim acosta, asked her directly is the press the enemy of the people. Heres her response. The president has made his position known. Its ironic, jim, that not only you in the media attack the president for his rhetoric when they frequently lower the level of conversation in this country. Repeatedly, repeatedly the media
resorts to personal attacks without any content other than to incite anger. The media has attacked me personally on a number of occasions, including your own network, said i should be harassed as a life sentence. That i should be choked. I. C. E. Officials are not welcome in their places of worship and personal information is shared on the internet. When i was hosted by the Correspondents Association of which almost all of you are members of, you brought a comedian up to attack my appearance and call me a traitor to my own gender. Well, talk about somebody who wants to make things about themselves, we certainly sympathize with sanders for any unfair attacks on her. It is uncalled for, including those at the white house Correspondents Dinner which most professional members of the media made that point, but she decided to leave that aside. Still, obviously she did not say no, the press is not the enemy of the people. She chose to go another way. She didnt say a thriving democracy depends on a free and Critical Press and the president wants everyone, including his
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of on capitol hill there on that side of Pennsylvania Avenue with whats happening in ohio 12 and just suddenly the Koch Brothers feud this trump . I get the sense that folks are suddenly going, wait a minute, this is the wrong time of the year for these fights to break open like this. I would describe the mood as determined and resolute. Everyone knew this was going to be a very tough year. Everyone knew we were facing historic headwinds. Everyone knows that President Trump can tweet or say things that arent always helpful at times that arent always helpful. But if you look at ohio 12, i think the polls are a lagging indicat indicator. I think the president s visit will goose the support among republicans in that district. And i think that your msnbc colleague, chris matthews, did a Tremendous Service by getting oconnor to admit what everyone knows, that he will vote for nancy pelosi for speaker and youre going to start seeing ads reminding the people of ohio 12 about that today. I notice theres also an ad saying is mr. Baullderson goingo
support jim jordan for speaker. Being in columbus ohio, ohio state, now they have multiple Sports Scandals right now, but having to do with jim jordan. Let me ask you this. Are we learning now, the old axiom used to be the Political Party that was in power, when they were in trouble, the goal was Dont Nationalize a race, we can run locally. The only way for these races for these republicans to survive it appears is to nationalize it. I think theres actually kind of a disconnect here. I think that there are districts where you have a Higher College educated population, you have a more moderate electorate, things that have traditionally been battlegrounds. Curbelos seat in florida, kauffman in colorado, where the president is not helpful. But those are places where the individual member has done a great job working their district, working their individual issues, making a connection with voters in their own brand and identity. Its the more generic republican seats, seats like this one or
georgia 6 where the president himself is a huge asset. The Koch Brothers issue, seems like a lot of uncomfortable republicans on capitol hill going, wait a minute. Are you really going to fight this way . How serious do you take it . I think it could be a real issue. I think the koch network has done an extraordinary job expanding and promoting their vision for a better america. I think that many of their passionate positions are different than those of the president. And theyre often in the places where the president disagrees with the rest of the republican party. The president is not historically speaking a republican and on areas like trade, he is sharply opposed by the bulk of the rest of the party. Maria, which side are you on in the trump koch feud . Its really, really tough. Its tough only because the Koch Brothers are doing theyre literally taking the karl rove playbook and siphoning off were looking into Social Justice issues, criminal Justice Reform and going into these
communities and saying we dont need all of those voters, we just need a couple of them. So its tough. Theyre also looking at investing in some democratic races possibly. Its really i think the democrats themselves are kind of like oh, shoot, what do we do next . They dont know what to do either. Do we want it . Look, ive had my differences with the kochs over the years. Theyre at the opposite end of the spectrum on foreign policy, for example, but they believe in certain things. Theyre free traders, free market people. They are pro moderate liberal views on immigration, criminal Justice Reform and so they have their principles. They want to support people who agree with them. And i admire that. I think thats fine. Whats striking is the trump and trump lackey response. Okay, we disagree on some issues. The rnc, which has become listen to this. Steve bannon, listen to what steve bannon said the about the kochs. You take koch money, its going to be toxic. If you take koch money theres a punishment. If you take money from people against the president and looking to put a knife in the back of the president , you are going to pay, really . The official Republican National committee, which is supposed to speak for the republican party, not for one guy in the white house, attacked the Koch Brothers and warned other donors about going down that path. Donors to the republican party, you cannot have your own views. You cannot choose to support more free trade republicans. What kind of party is this now . Is this pure donald trump cult personality . Thats what the rnc is now about . It speaks to these fundamental fissures in the republican party. Theyre really breaking open, whether its on trade, immigration, some of these issues where weve known this stuff exists. The question is how do you run in a competitive district, how do you run a race where you want to kind of forge your own pathway but doing so puts you at odds with the president and the expire republican apparatus. Thats a big problem. Michael steel, look, there is a penalty for opposing the president. I guess thats what the rnc is
trying to warn other donors. Is that why they took a shot at the kochs . Well, the president always puts a Firm Imprinting on the rnc or dnc, whichever party theyre in. I think this is probably unwise. I think that a successful coalition, a successful republican majority in the house and the senate you say these things in such an understated way, michael. I think its probably unwise. Its like, dude i think the word unwise is an understatement, but go ahead. I think that we need all we need support from everyone we can get across the spectrum to maintain the republican majorities in the house and senate and that should be our highest priority this year, not disagreements. Maria, you would work wngt Koch Brothers on criminal Justice Reform and immigration reform. Are you comfortable with you have your own interests and own group that you lead. How are you i actually think its very difficult because they are also the Koch Brothers are also behind a lot of the voter
suppression. So you would have a problem with it. I would have a very hard time with it. I believe that their longterm strategy is actually to divide the democratic Progressive Base by siphoning off progressive voters and not because theyre well intentioned. For most folks people would say theyre more libertarian and theyre like were libertarian but we dont understand whats happening in the white house. This is a complete dichotomy for them. For me its the rnc trying to intimidate other donors from having their own opinions. I wonder how other donors will react to that. And candidates. Thats undemocratic and most donors that i know arent going to take that. They actually think that theyre pretty smart, thats why they have money, right . A lot of these candidates, they want his endorsement but dont want to literally stand next to him. Michael steel, it is never unwise to have you on, so thank you for coming on, sir. And playing the role of allowing me to use that joke at least. In all honesty, thank you. Panel, stick around. Up ahead, Paul Manaforts
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reason, trump will declare a victory. I think at that point he could really be unleashed. This thing has gone on too long, it is a witch hunti, im firing them witch hunt. On the other hand, if manafort is convicted, then suddenly its hard to say if the Campaign Chairman was convicted of serious crimes, that the whole thing a witch hunt and then manafort could flip after conviction if he doesnt like the idea of this real serious jail sentence. Then youre really, with Cohen Flipping and manafort, you could be off to the races on trump tower and all that. The trial will be over in a couple weeks, right . Soon. August will be interesting. We dont even know. I want to sort of steer things to the weird obstruction thing, the interview back and forth, but theres no way to kick off that conversation better than with your confusing mash of Rudy Giuliani. Here it is. Its pretty clear a president cant be subpoenaed to a criminal proceeding about him. If he wanted to obstruct it, hed obstruct it, end it. Youd all battle whether he has the legal right to do that, which i think he does. If the president is acting within his capacity as president and he fires someone, that cant be questioned. But he is not obviously going to give up his right to pardon if a Mischarge MischarMischar Mischarge Carriage of miscarriage of justice. Of course he could. Collusion is not a crime. You cannot indict the president. So why do we think i threw all that out there because why do we think were at month eight now and this is dragging on . I had Saul Wisenberg On and he thinks the its a Game Of Chicken, mueller is not 100 hed win that subpoena. The white house is not afraid of a subpoena. This is ridiculous. Im not sure Rudy Giuliani is
helping the president s case. It seems to me he had a career as a credible federal prosecutor. Are you saying hes no longer going to be known as credible . He may be known as Something Else now. This is part of the challenge. He showed his true like the way he wanted to tip himself was when he was a surrogate for the president. Hes already a different guy than he was in 08. Oh, yeah. I dont agree hes helped objectively. Theyve driven muellers numbers down a bit. P. R. Wise, im with you. Theyve sold this ridiculous story in the last 48 hours, the president really wants to testify. He just wants to sit and see mueller face to face. The idea that people report that, i think its correct people. Its what trump is telling people because hes not dumb. He knows its a good image for him if people go out and say, the president really does want to testify. Hes not going to testify. He doesnt want to testify. He knows there are things he doesnt want to come out. I dont think there will be. I dont think i think he wont testify, and i think mueller will go ahead and report whatever he reports and indict whoever he indicts without talking to trump. I think this is part of their largest strategy, the moment they have a Talking Point and put it on the air and we keep repeating it and sowing the seeds of maybe hes right, maybe we can indict him, and maybe he actually will come forward, and thats when they win the pr game. They havent found one argument, great point, maria. Ive run into people if he wants to testify, then he probably really is innocent, or he thinks hes innocent. Hes not really guilty. Guilty people dont want to testify or meet with someone like bob mueller. How do we know he wants to meet with bob mueller . He told ivanka, or a bunch of reporters. I dont believe he does. Dont you agree the reporting has been sort of credulous on this . Youre trapped by your
sources. I have the sources too. Thats what theyre telling you. I have no reason to believe, as you said, i think the president is claiming this because its not as if he hasnt sat for depositions before and been comfortable looking ridiculous not answering questions. The interesting question is whether this back and forth continues to a point where then it becomes, well, look, muellers got to wrap this up. Its going on too long. And mueller says i cant wrap it up until i talk to him. He could say that. But mueller realizes as he gets closer to the election, he has a comey problem. If he puts out a report, hes got to put it out early enough before the election. I dont think hes worried about that. I think hes seeing what happens with manafort. Manafort is key. See what the manafort trial does, and then maybe reassess. We actually came to a conclusion. Bill, maria, loni, youre free to go. phone ping
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