This culture is very educational for people. But i think we need to stop believing victims, we need to start believing the women. And i think those are strong words that the white house would probably take issue with. So that is why you are here. Thank you all. That does it for us. Mtp daily starts right now. Hi, chuck. Thank you for all of that. If it is tuesday, russia could be meddling right now. Is anybody in the u. S. Government watching . Tonight the nations intelligence chiefs say russia is targeting the midterm elections. And the white house isnt trying to stop it. Has the president directed you and your agency to take specific actions to confront and blunt russian influence activities . Not as specifically drektsed by t directed by the plus. Plus the fbi director con are
a Difficults Tcontradicts The W claims about what they knew and when. And some democrats are pushing further left to battle president trump. Is anyone even trying to hold the middle ground . This is mtp daily and it starts right now. Good evening. Im chuck todd here in washington. Welcome to mtp daily. The fbi raised serious questions about the white houses time line regarding what it knew about the allegations of spousal abuse Facing Rob Porter and when they first knew about it. You will hear how the white house is struggling to get its story straight again. And well dive into that in just a moment. But well begin with even more unbelievable testimony from our nations intelligence chiefs today on the issue of russia. We heard from the director of national intelligence, cia chief, fbi director and the nsa
point out understanding a threat is not the same thing as combatting it. Well speak with senator reed in a moment. But lets sum again. Were under attack. Russian intent is under way. And there is no clear strategy. And president isnt asking about one. John mccain has called the meddling an act of war. So can you imagine if say a year after another act of war like 9 11 the president didnt have a strategy to fight back . Despite Intelligence Community warnings him of another attack or an attack that is ongoing, okay now imagine that the president wasnt even asking about a strategy to fight back. Joining me now is Michael Leiter and former director of National Counter terrorism center. Welcome back. Good to be here. You raised i dont you are a your Aye Broweeyebrows in surpr. A lot let unsaid, but the
created. And we looked it up, it was some task force out there, but there still seems to be an accumulation mode. In fairness again to this group, as intelligence groups, it is not their job simply implement policy. So it is the state department, defense department, justice department, Treasury Department who have to step up and take action. So these guys are just sounding alarms . They did their jobs today, they sounded all the alarms . No, i dont think they have yet done their job because there are tools of u. S. Power through the nmsa, fbi, cia, covert act and the like, that can be tools to counter this russian campaign. But they have to be directed by policymakers. Lets use a really simple example. They sounded the alarm less than a month ago when the white house had to respond with potential substantials as punishment for russian involvement in the 2016
election. The administration didnt adopt any further sanctions. So that is another clear statement. You have an overwhelming majority bipartisan in the congress. Do something about this. And the policy team and the white house have not moved in that direction. Clint watts sunday said there is not ever we can do if there is not a unified message out of the federal government. And at the end of the day, when the president is not saying the same things as his intelligence heads, there is no unified message. I dont think there is any doubt that right now the president s general opposition to the Mueller Investigation has completely overwhelmed the white houses ability to speak with a single voice not about that issue of collusion, but what the russians are doing now. That has to stop. If you were still running the counterterrorism center, would you be classifying what russia did as a state sponsored Terrorist Attack . And would that matter . Our elections, but to protect our banks, our dams, all of these pieces. And i think the chinese and russians still see this as an area where they can operate with relative impunity. Not completely, but they can do things in cyberspace that if they did in spphysical space, i russians tried stuff a balance lo ballot box, we could address them. But we dont have the same set of standards to know what the appropriate response should be. Ill leave it there. As always, appreciate you doing this without the partisan political perspective. Coming at it from a guy who has been in the room. Thank you. Joining me now is democratic senator jack reed, he have one of the tougher questioners at the hearing and frankly i think asked the question that turned out to give the most alarming answer. Welcome to the show, sir. Thank you. Did you expect anything different when you asked that
great integrity and responsibility responding to questions as best they could in an open setting. And i think that is something very commendable. I think they displayed integrity and fidelity to their responsibilities. So what does this tell you . They are basically waiting to be told what the policy is, they may have ideas, but they cant necessarily implement them on their own. What did you take away from this that needs to be the next step for you . Well, i think what they indicated was their responsibility is to provide the information to the president , very deep tailed information. Their responsibility to congress, to the American People, is in an appropriate way provide information. They did that today. And then the next step lies with the president to order effective planning and take effective action to stop these penetrations as best as possible. He had the opportunity with sanctions. He chose not to do that. But at some point unless we will allow sort of untrampled actions to our elections, we have to take steps to stop russian incur against. I remember if the white house didnt create bowlessimpson, they would do it on their own. There hasnt been an Iraq Study Group or a 9 11 commission. I know senator mccain was a big one pushing for some sort of commission to try to come up with okay what do we do now. Set aside the mueller part of this. More of a strategic sense. Could you force the president s hand and set up your own commission at this point, is that at direction to go here if he is not going to respond on a policy front . Well, i think we could do that. Obviously we could length lakoc Something Like that. It would take time and we dont have a lot of time. But who is doing it now . Weve been sitting here 18 months with nothing. I understand that, but i think the most effective thing that can be done is to focus public attention as we tried to do today on the responsibility of the government led by the president to take effective actions. The other factor too, there is a lot of peace meof piece meal acg on. You have lots of sectors of state that are taking some steps, but we havent gotten the coordinated response that we need from the federal government. That was what was evidenced today by very honorable and decent Public Servants saying weve done our job, but our job is not to many cases plan and execute a responsibility to this russian incursion. At what point should some people conclude that it is almost as if the white house wants the intervention . Well, i dont think it is so much that they want the intervention. I just think that they do not want to dwell on russian
penetration of an election because of all of the Clouds Circling around 2016, the collusion you mentioned yourself, that i think is the great stumbling block. It is essentially i think prevented the president from focusing on 2018 and looking at 2018 as a challenge to him and to the country. I think he tends to listen but not to act. And that is detrimental to our democracy. Have you changed anything of how you conduct business for fear of how the russians might come at like whether its your campaign, your Senate Office . I think every campaign, particularly the active ones now, have taken steps to protect information, to ensure only using trusted sources to be very careful about email. I think that is now a fact of life. An unfortunate one, but it is
fact of life. Do you have the kind of Financial Support lets say within congress to change the way you do business on a Security Front or do you feel like there is more work to be done on in a front . I think this is such a tremendous challenge because of evolving technology that in terms of our communications as senators, that has to be worked on constantly. As campaigns. Ten years ago, 20 years ago, you said not have to hire someone to be your Security Expert for electronic communications. Now most campaigns are doing just that. And it will be evolving. The threat will not diminish, it will grow as Technology Yeef Invol evolves. Is there is a Point Of No Return if the president doesnt focus attention on this and get departments focused on protecting the midterms in 2018, is there is a point evof its t late now . I think every day that goes by, we are closer to an election which if the perception is that its been significantly influenced by outside forces, russian or otherwise, Will Cast Doubt On our democracy. And frankly that is what the russians are trying to do. Not just the russians, that is what they are trying to do, they are trying to doubt our democracy processes, trying to question the legitimacy ever what we do every two years. For our lifetime, the history of the country, weve taken a great symbol of america. We have free and Fair Elections that are based on the votes of the American People, not the influence of outside entities. Jack reed, democrat from rhode island, long time Ranking Member on armed services. Thank you sir much appreciated. Up ahead, the fbi contradicts the trump administrations version of the rob porter time line. And we now know about a new Security Agency within the white
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frets about losing his tennessee seat. But these reports raise a lot of questions. First, is this really about concern that republicans will lose that seat or is it more about a washington establishment concern that a nonestablishment figure perhaps like a republican congresswoman named Marsha Blackburn might win that seat . Wanted to, could corker win a gop primary begin his past statements on trump . Hed likely need an endorsement from the president if he was going to do this. And whether hed get that and whether hed ask for it are also questions. Well be back with more of mtp daily. Re wrap. 3, 2, 1. Not cool. Freezing away fat cells with coolsculpting . Now thats cool coolsculpting safely freezes and removes fat cells with little or no downtime. And no surgery. Results and Patient Experience may vary. Some rare side effects include temporary numbness, discomfort and swelling. Ask your doctor if coolsculpting is right for you and visit coolsculpting. Com today. For your chance to win a free treatment. Going somewhere . Whoooo. Heres some advice. Tripadvisor now searches more. Than 200 Booking Sites to find the hotel you want and save you up to 30 . Trust this birds words. Tripadvisor. Had a little incident witht kia moped in bermuda. E. Oh. Even with insurance, we had to dip into our 401 k and it set us back a little bit. Sometimes you dont have a choice. But it Doesnt Mean You Guys cant get back on track. Great. Great. Yeah. No judgment. Just guidance. Td ameritrade. Welcome back. Another Major Development today at the Senate Hearing was this, chris wray appeared to directly contradict the white houses account of what it knew about the allegation of spousal abuse Facing Rob Porter and when. The white house said the fbi review was on goiging on. At the same time, fbi says nope,
it was quote closed. White house said they hadnt received any specific papers about a completed Background Check. The fbi says they did most certainly give that information to the white house. Which kept him on staff and kept giving him access to sensitive information. And the fbi says it gave the white house a partial report on porter last march months earlier than the white house has reportedly claimed it first learned there was any issue. This afternoon Sarah Huckabee sanders was again repeatedly pressed on the time line. Christopher wray said it was closed in january. Who is telling the truth . Both. As i said, the fbi portion was closed. The White House Personnel Security Office who is the one that makes the recommendation forred a jude da ed a juadjudic finished their work or made a recommendation to the white house. And you said yesterday that you didnt get any paperwork from the fbi. Chris wray says he did submit
paperwork. Again, that would come through the White House Personnel Security Office which had not completed their investigation and not passed that information to the white house. Well, lets bring in the panel. Elaine cooper, Eugene Robinson and danielle plutka. Ill start but, you have covered Whout White Houses and the Security Clearance issues. The new piece of information that Sarah Huckabee sanders has given us is now the White House Personnel Security Office which tells me that what she is saying is the fbi Background Checks were simply suggestions. That is essentially what shes confirming, they were suggestions and they would take them into account with whatever extra vetting they were doing. Which we did not know. We did not. This is watching that Press Conference today, i felt it was incredibly surreal. It seems as if this white house has sort of lost the ability even to state just things that would seem completely true in any kind of a credible way. And when she starts dancing around like that, it just came across as some sort of circular where you keep going around and around an argument where she lost all credibility whatsoever. It feels to me that if the problem is white house staffers arent telling each other the truth because they dont have their straight story. Well, lets ask the White House Personnel Security Office whatever that is. Who is in a nthat thain a that . Im sure that i thought the white House Counsel office
was the head of vetting. Thats how Houshl It Comko through. But if the fbi says there is a problem, there is a problem. This is all highly weird for a number of reasons. I feel sorry for Sarah Huckabee sanders when i watch her because i think a lot of this is actually driven by incompetence and not by today screams incompetence. But i still dont understand. I had a Security Clearance. I had an interim Security Clearance. In my day when you had interim, you could only have up to secret. This man was the Staff Secretary. Weve forgotten in the wife beating who told who what what his job was. He carries papers to the president of the United States. That means that every single thing that went to the president no matter what its classification was being carried by this gentleman. And what i dont understand is how. I mate to be crass, but if you were a foreign entity and you were looking to go after a
person that the public didnt know about but you wanted to gets a a source, it would be rob porter. The Staff Secretary is a vulnerable guy. This is why you have a Background Check. Youie treatment right now would be fabulous. Basically the concern was ultimately it is about are you blackmailable. Which this is a central question at the heart of so a person with good character. And i answer two or three of these a week thousand. So you are being called quite a bit. Absolutely. Washington is a small town. And the fact is im sure that the conversation that was head between general kelly and rob was very straightforward. So im hearing you got a little trouble with some of your exwives. Yeah, you know, a lot of rancor, not a pretty divorce. Probably ill fix it. Probably said ill take care of it. And nobody bothered to say hey, so punched one in the face . And why do we have two . One i might be able to say okay, maybe there is a miscommunication. And a girlfriend. Right, and the girlfriend. Look, it feels like the only conclusion you can come to is that there is, whether it is because of the president s own personal character issues or the inability to recruit good people to stay, that they just i think you need both those things. They were desperately looking for reasons to keep him. And i think you need the sort of dearth of really qualified effective personnel in the white house. Who goes in now . I mean this is look, i have somebody very close to the president who is petrified of this, who sits there and says look, they got the bminus team and im being generous, what are they going to get now . That is the worry for everybody. I know lots of people, wonderful people who serve in this administration. There is a huge professional
group of people whether democrats or republicans who go in and out of administrations. But most of those who i know in this administration are not willing for serve in what they call the blast zone, a wh whiche chous. But this has been an issue ever since donald trump won the election. Bheed l we immediately started writing all the stories about the never Trump Americans and will he ever forgive those people and he wasnt. He didnt want to do that. He didnt want to have to now hes forgiving people with spousal abuse over and above forgiving somebody who supported marco rubio. That is because that doesnt matter as much to him beating your wife doesnt hurt him as much as somebody saying something about him that he didnt like. This is a man who takes every single thing personally. And it hurts him over and over again but he continues to do it. All right. I think john kelly has hit his
trump sellby date. If it wasnt this incident, there might be something else. How much of this do you think this is just if you look at the pattern here that goes back two years, the person in his ear only lasts about 6 to 9 months . Well, that is true for the president. On the other hand, what weve seen is that people who appear to hit a sellby date, if they stick around and they get over the hump, the spotlight turns away. Tillerson. Yeah, hes still working. Sessions is still there. We have a betting pool about mattis. We did not have a betting pool about mattis. She just gave away a trade secret. Maybe they do at aei, guys. And the truth is, you know, they are all still there. Dani lost the pool. You guys will stick around. I want to go back to the russia interference story later in the hour. Well be right back. Tech at safelite autoglass
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that she changed these positions, and by the way her change was quite a while back. I think the nature of the answers 24though, it is not so much that there isnt room for the center, but if you are thinking about running for president and what you are saying to the American People is i didnt look beyond my own backyard to think about issues more broadly . I think that is a weakness and a real problem that will hold her back if she wants to run for president. If you think back to how barack obama introduced himself to the nation in 2004, it was by going big, about this immensely beautiful vision about not red states or blue states, but one United States of america. People want a president with vision who can see big for what this country needs, and that narrowed it down. So i dont think she is saying the positions were embarrassing. I think she was taking personal responsibility, but i think that still will be problematic if you want to run for president. That is interesting. And i think youre right, that presents unique challenges to her. But the reason i go bigger on
this and this question of sort of as the Democratic Party look, Center Of Gravity is moving farther to the left. We can debate how far. But it is certainly moving there directionally. Do you send a message for gun owners were embarrassed to even have you in the party . And unfortunately, because look, whether we like it or not, the gun position we know there is nuance. Most americans know there is nuance. In politics that nuance gets lost quickly. And the message that people hear is, oh, i own a gun, she is embarrassed. No, i dont think that is the democratic message by any stretch. I think on an issue like guns, there are responsible gun owners who agree we should have Background Checks completed before a person can buy a gun. That is not a radical position to responsible gun owners. And i think that look, you are right about the Center Of Gravity maybe you moving to the left in the Democratic Party, but the Center Of Gravity in
america is not. And so i think that in a lot of states and in a national election, we have to recognize as democrats that the flur ramiram i plural rality identify as moderate. And if there are govern ownareo is around Background Check being completed before someone like dylann roof can get his hands on a gun when he know he mos down n a church. And she also ended up stumbling upon another i guess new problem now and i would say for the 21st century which is it is very hard to be a regional or local member of a Party Without the National Persona consuming you. So used to be you could be i
know Joe Man Chchin wants to be West Virginia democrat, but everything is nationalized now. Like it is hard he to er to be massachusetts republican and somehow not stay away completely. Maybe the governor of Plas Ma Massachusetts might pull that off uniquely. But over time that is difficult to do. How do you deal with that aspect . She was trying to say hey, i was just being representative of central new york. Is that such a bad thing . Well, remember tip oneill former speaker of the house once said all politics is local. And i totally disagree now. I think there are two things happening that will affect our politics for the long term. One is we dont really have a National Conversation anymore. People are more and more consuming the media that they agree with and that is going to continue to create polarization except when we have yunique
candidates who find a way to bridge that during national elections. As for the parties themselves, i think you are going to so he a l see a lot of conversation already about 2018 is the fact that we still have these gerrymandered districts that were created in these red and purple states that will make it hard for democrats to win seats. I dont think we can confuse what happens on shows like this and others where there may be a National Audience for part of the time when 80 of the time people are consuming their local news, the Digital Content that they agree with. It is creating divisions and polarizations that make it harder for folks in washington to compromise. And that is a long term problem that we have to come to grips with. That is probably the biggest problem of them all. Great conversation. Thank you. Appreciate it. Up ahead, a shocking bit of honesty from a washington politician. How is that for a tease . U. Imagine if the things you bought every day. Earned you miles to get to the places you really want to go. With the United Mileageplus explorer card, youll get a free checked bag. Two united club passes. Priority boarding. And earn Fifty Thousand bonus miles after you spend Three Thousand dollars on purchases in the first three months from account opening plus, zerodollar intro annual fee for the first year, then ninetyfive dollars. Learn more at theexplorercard. Com we the people. Are defined by the things we share. And the ones we love. Who never stop wondering what well do or where well go next. We the people who are Better Together than we are alone. Are unstoppable. Welcome to the entirely new expedition. Tonight im obsessed with something that handed that is astonishingly rare. A politician was openly honest about spinning. Todays Mick Mulvaney is the director of Office Of Management And Budget. Yesterdays Mick Mulvaney was a congressman who claimed to be a deficit talk. Today he came out in favor of a budget busting deal that he admits yesterdays mulvaney would have rejected. In fact here is what he told the Senate Budget committee. As a member of congress representing the Fifth District of south carolina, i probably would have found enough shortcomings in this to vote against it, but im the director of the Office Of Management And Budget and my job is to try to fund the president s priorities which is exactly what we did. So to the omb director mulvaney, this is a good deal budget. To congressman mulvaney, budget deal very bad. Were not here to try to criticize mulmulvaney, were gig him credit. But were left wondering which Mick Mulvaney is the real Mick Mulvaney and isnt this the problem with congress . Members can shamelessly grand stand for their constituents without worrying about the consequences. Barack obama when he was a senator voted against john roberts for political purposes and then realized when he got to appoint on Supreme Court justices how frustrated he was that people passed political votes rather than on whether they were prepared for the job. The trouble is if enough members on either side continue to choose grand standing over
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the secretary or the director testified. The problem is we dont try and take it back to them. We dont under president trump, we didnt under president obama and we didnt do it under president bush. Its like whos in charge here . You would expect that at this point the president of the Executive Branch would issue a directive or sort of direct people to look into this a little bit more aggressively. But we do this isnt something thats going to be very high on president trumps to do list for obvious reasons. But it was clear that theres not a point person, though, i mean there isnt one. Its almost like theyre begging for it. Its like they were asking for direction. We have been told to get the information and to find this out. But what do they do . But this is a persistent problem. We are not competing on the global stage. We dont know what to do with
cyber. Exactly. It came through even, i remember president obama after the sony hit with north korea. They were having a large debate, helene, and you covered a lot of that, about how to retaliate, they knew they needed to but they werent sure how to do it. When it comes to retaliating against this regime, we dont know how to handle it. But we have done plenty of cyber stuff on iran. Its why north korea to this day as not achieved its Nuclear Ambitions is because of our cyber program. So its not as if we dont try to do this ourselves. We didnt do it after the opm attack, we didnt do it after the chinese. I would just put an asterisk as far as we know. Because, you know, we didnt
know about stucks at the time. My point is that you know when you talk to these sources whether i thattheyre hiding sg or whether they got nothing. I always feel at the end of the day, as a reporter, i know 1 of all the stuff theyre up to. Particularly with you two here, whats up with israel . Is b. B. Netanyahu going to be Prime Minister nec year . I think Bibi Netanyahu is a guy who sticks around. He was Prime Minister before, he was charged when he was Prime Minister before. This is all about, this is
essentially what we frown upon but allow to be legal in this country, in israel when it comes to politics and political favors it is extremely low rent stuff. Its criminalizing the stuff that we normally would its cigars and champagne, thats actually listed in the theres that on that side. On the other side, did he do favors . Thats the hard part to distinguish. That is a serious charge. But its harder to prove. But i wonder if the israeli public is becoming more aware to this. Bebes predecessor omar went down after a time. 19 months in jail. He actually this is what i want to get to, what we dont understand is the israeli public has a very low bar on this, they dont like it. They dont like any shenanigans. The other thing that works against bebe is he has been
around for a listen tiong time, second time as Prime Minister. Hes creeping up on ben gurion as the longest running Prime Minister. You think he can survive . I think he can survive this pretty easily. Theres no opposition. I actually agree. You always agree. All right, guys. Thank you much. Up ahead, could a dog become governor of kansas . Sit, stay. Well tell you after the break. When this bell rings. It starts a chain reaction. Thats heard throughout the connected business world. At t Network Security helps protect business, from the largest Financial Markets to the smallest transactions, by sensing cyberattacks in near real time and automatically deploying countermeasures. Keeping the world of business connected and protected. Thats the power of and. Td ameritrade select securitiestrade 24 hours a day, 5 days a week. So i can trade all night long . All night long. Lets reopen the market. Trade 24 5, only with td ameritrade. On thousands of hotels, cars and things to do. Like the occidental at the Xcaret Destination for 32 off. Everything you need to go. Expedia. Well, in case you missed its, we dont know who the next governor of kansas will be, but we can safely say he or she may not be human. Angus the dog is not eligible to run for state wide office. That is right, angus cannot run. Anguss owner Campaign Manager filed papers for him to run. But the governor says angus is not capable of fulfilling the requirements for governor. But you know who can run . Teenagers are running for higher office. Kansas you have it all wrong,