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Found in 2017 and how much voters care in 2017 . We learned the Trump Campaign was penetrated by russian interests whether trump junior or Jeff Sessions or carter page or others, and looking back on it, the campaign also seemed willing to accept russias help. For me this was opposition research. They had something, you know, maybe concrete evidence to all the stories id been hearing about, maybe underreported for years not just during the campaign and i think i wanted to hear it out. If theres information out there, you want it and make what you do with it. Politics is not the nicest business in the world but very standard. They have information and you take the information. But if there was seemingly nothing to hide, why did the president S National Security adviser and one of the campaignS National Security advisors both plead guilty to lying to federal investigators about their contacts with russia . Both have flipped which means theyre cooperating with muellers investigation. On top of it, the Trump Campaigns chairman and his top deputy were indicted for Money Laundering and conspiracy involving their work for a prorussian government. Charges they deny. And though the president denies he interfered in the fbis investigation, he did admit the made up story he calls the russia thing was one of the reasons he fired fbi director comey. Some look at these bombshells and see a fivealarm fire. Others see a fivealarm nothing burger, but what do voters see . Its hard to tell. As enormous as the story was in 2017, you would be hardpressed to find any campaign ads about it and even some democrats urging their party not to talk about it. People back in ohio arent really talking that much about russia, about putin, about Michael Flynn. Theyre trying to figure out how theyre going to make the mortgage payment, pay for their kids to go to college, what their energy bill looks like. Theres no question the con starnt flood of are russia headlines is one important fact cher it comes to the antiwave building right now. Not just the most important factor. Not yet. Which brings us to 2018 as both parties gear up for a reckoning on this story one way or the other. The president and his allies are attacking the credibility of anyone they see as a threat, whether its discrediting mueller as a partisan running a hoax or dismissing flynn as a liar. They want the fbis investigation investigated. The president says the agency is in tatters, and top House Republicans want to end their russia probe and open up new investigations into deals when Hillary Clinton was secretary of state. But democrats want more witnesses to testify, and even retestify. Guys, the reality for democrats, they are being driven by a base that overwhelmingly wants to impeach the president , begin impeachment proceedings at the very least. So where does the russia story go now . Start with a former u. S. Attorney with 25 Years Experience as a federal prosecutor. Thank you so much for joining us. What do you think where do you think the Mueller Investigation is going right now . Whats the next shoe to drop . So i think for folk whose havent worked in the justice department, the investigation looks slow from the outside. And there are reasons for that. Thats because a criminal investigation proceeds slowly and by the rules. Mueller will have a team of fbi investigators. We know that he has some investigators from the Internal Revenue service. Its likely there are folks from other agencies as well as some friends like accountants, and theyve spent most of 2017 very quietly putting together the paper trail. Banking records. Phone records. Emails. And meticulously combing through those. The reason theyre so meticulous is because prosecutors dont target individuals. So this isnt a situation where mueller is talking with his team in the morning, saying, lets look at Jared Kushner today. Instead, what theyre doing is investigating activity. Whether thats communication between the campaign and russia during the election, or potential activity that looks like it may be russia recruiting United States persons as agents, and theyll investigate that situation. And then theyll make a determination of whether anything that was criminal happened, and only then can they make a decision about whether to proceed with an indictment. Its a lot of sausagemaking from the outside looks slow. On the inside, its painstaking and often tedious at this stage of the case. Going where the investigation leads. We also have two new clues where they could be going soon. And there are two reports. One from yahoo yesterday saying that Robert Mueller is looking into the rncs digital operation, trying to figure out why certain areas were targeted and whether they align with the areas that could have been targeted by russia misinformation or bots. And also a Washington Post report out that says trumps legal team is preparing to attack Michael Flynns credibility, to paint him as a liar. Two really interesting stories. I think the first piece, the communications piece, was very predictable. The core behind this entire investigation is whether russia tried to influence a United States election and its important to determine that only russian actors, or were there other potentially folks in the United States and even on the Campaign Staff who were involved. Its critical that mueller make that assessment, because there are stat sheets and laws on the books that make it illegal for a foreign country to donate either activity or something of value in connection with the campaign. You know, interesting question. Would mueller indict only russian personnel if it was strictly a russian operation, but what happened online makes it look like the russians were getting some level of insight about where gee graphically to engee graphically to engage, what messages in the misinformation they wanted to put out on facebook and other platforms. So expect mueller to fully investigate who else was involved in that and determine whether there was any criminal activity. Is mueller going to interview the president . I think its unlikely that this investigation concludes without that happening. Ken starrs investigation into president clinton went on for about 1,490 days and concluded with an interview is of the president. Be very difficult to finalize this one without interviewing someone whos either a key witness or potentially a subject or target. When you lookality those peop at those in the white house and wo wonder who has the most exposure and look at gates and, and manafort, not being completely forthcoming on various federal forms about Foreign Government interactions and you think about that, is Jared Kushner potentially a person who could face the most problems . Could have the most legal exposure . So muellers team has made it very clear with theyre indictments they take lying to the fbi, concealing the truth from investigators very seriously. Anyone whos in the line of fire either because they made false statements to investigators or because they made misstatements on forms or because they lied or concealed the truth in other forms, those are probably the group of people who are most at risk in the next wave of this investigation. Certainly Jared Kushner has that bullseye on his back. Hes had to resubmit his form as number of times now. Joyce vance, thank you so much for joining us. Joining me now on our panel, Princeton University professor and msnbc contributor and a political reporter. In looking at whether or not mueller could be eyeing the president. I am curious. How in the world is he going to react if he has to be interviewed by the special counsel . Not well. Next question . The short answer is not well, because, of course, we know how he feels about the special counsel and about this whole investigation. Of course, he does have a team of legal professionals around him who are going to try to tread extremely carefully with this question. So depends on when we think this is going to happen, if it does happen. Whether it will happen in the next few week s theyll try to blow part it, but closer to the midterms and things get more complicated people around the president will counsel him to tread extremely k5i6careful. How does he look to Jared Kushner getting indicted . Very badly. One of the things to followup what was just said, the timing will are very interesting because were going into the midterm elections. Mueller either has to have this wrapped up by the summer or plans on going dormant during the campaign time, because this could be very influential during the 2018 elections, if all of a sudden President Trump or kushner was brought into an interview in say september or october. I think the timing will be very important how that plays out. Can the investigation go dormant just because of an election . When i say dormant, wont make indictments, do big interviews, lets not forget what happened during comey, during the election cycle. Traditionally, the fbi is careful about making a certain amount of news in the news cycle. When i say it goes dormant, im not suggesting its not ongoing but they dont make big indictments, do big interviews during september and october, which has always been their practice prior to 2016. Interesting, though, if its an indictment that could be in the national interest, how you if you know youre that close, can you do it in july or august. Or you can wait until november. So the other piece of this is whether or not Donald Trumps team does try to distance itself from Michael Flynn . Interesting, considering all of the things that donald trump has said about flynn and all the ways hes been kpremt complimen him. Take a look. All the times trump praised his former National Security adviser. Michael flynn, general flynn, is a wonderful man. I think hes been treated very, very unfairly by the media. I think its very, very unfair whats happened to general flynn, the way he was treated and the dounlts acuments and pa that were illegally i stress that illegally leaked. I do feel badly for him. He served the country. He was a general. This man has served for many years. Hes a general. Hes a in my opinion, a very good person. Well, i feel badly for general flynn. I feel very bradley. Hes led a very strong life. This is after he fired him for lying to the Vice President. Hes been complementary towards him, not negative towards him, even after revealing that he lies to the fbi and was working with special counsel mueller. That is what it looks like potentially now, when the legal team could be turning against him. How is the legal team going to find credibility when the president , the person in charge, has been saying wonderful things about this man and saying hes been treated unfairly by the press . Im not sure. Dowd came out recently saying fake news. But this is Standard Practice on the part of Defense Attorneys to say if a person is charged for lying, how can we trust their word . In relation to, or in regards to the person under investigation. I think the interesting thing here is this folks are scared. Its clear folks are scared, because the Mueller Investigation is they are on to something, and whether they call it a nothing burger or call it fake news, whatever, we know theyre on to something. The question, when will it come to light . It seems to me very clearly that the question of collusion, of obstruction and all the collateral aspects that follow, they involve financing and lying. It implicates these folks and theyre not behaving like people who are innocent. Theyre simply not. On to something, they have something. Two guilty pleas from the former National Security adviser. That in itself is really telling. Dont forget, the last news cycle we were thinking about a few news cycles, the timeline, when President Trump found out flynn was lying. I want to know, do voters care about this . Look at polls. It doesnt seem voters have this at the top of their priority list. Most significant in 2017 according to an nbc poll on russia go all the way down the list. Russia investigation, 7 . Not the top of the list. Are voters going to vote on this issue in to 2018 . Some will. Certainly those people big supporter of the president or detractors of the president. If things stay as they currently are and we dont get nor information and there isnt more movement closer to the midterms probably not many voters will vote on that. Thats not much of an issue. S few know about it. And democrats say, impeach the president immediately. When you look what candidates are talking on the campaign trail, few are talking about this, though. Few are bringing up russia. Look what happened in alabama. It was about roy moore. Look at what happened in virginia. It was about the statues, the civil war statues. Look at georgia. It was about, antitrump, to a degree, but it wasnt about this russia investigation. And also that talks about health care as being a top priority. A lot of things. I dont think it turns into an election issue, unless there is more there to show the public why it matters. It all depends. Sorry to cut you off. It all depends how we understand the way in which the word trump parses out. Trump is a shorthand for a range will you see donald trump colluded with russia . The russia investigation is under federal investigation. That sort of ad you might see . Youre going to see donald trump supported a, accused child molester. Said you know the point to charlottesville i dont think this is something that necessarily is the worst thing. Fascinating. Not the worst that this president , under federal investigation from potentially coordinating with a Foreign Government interfered in our elections is not the biggest thing. Its fascinating. Guys, stick with us. Eddie, susan and gabe. Ahead, roy moores last stand. Speaking of roy moore. Alabama says officially the Senate Candidate lost to doug jones fair and square, but is it really over . 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Late yesterday moore file add lawsuit alleging voter fraud led to his defeat setting rumors already debunk by state authorities. The motion denied by a judge this afternoon. Moores campaign is not backing down. They put out a statement after the certification today that says in part, Election Fraud experts across the country have agreed this was a fraudulent election. A source within the Moore Campaign tells nbc news that the candidate is still not conceding, but that moore has not determined whether to further contest the results. Never the less, jones is expected to be sworn in by Vice President mike pence next week. More mtp daily, right after this. Today. And, hows it looking . I dont know. Theres so many opinions out there, its hard to make sense of it all. Well, victor, do you have something for him . Check this out. Td ameritrade aggregates thousands of earnings estimates into a single data point. That way you can keep your eyes on the big picture. Huh. Feel better . Much better. Yeah, me too. Wow, you really did a number on this thing. Sorry about that. Thats alright. I got a box of em. Thousands of opinions. One estimate. The earnings tool from td ameritrade. Welcome back. 2017 is coming to a close and what a year it was. Lets go back to our panel. Guys, top landmark moments of 2017. We asked you to give your thoughts. You answered. Eddie, charlottesville and the Metoo Movement . Yeah. The sign of the culture wars. Were in another iteration of the culture wars and this idea that this country is run and possessed by the property of old right is dying. Although its dying a very violent intense death. How about 2018 . Already resonating in the political process. Right . Saw it in virginia. Seeing it in alabama. Right . Were going to see it in mississippi. Well see grass roots organizers around the country mobilizing. Black voters, brown voters, women. Black and brown women. Mobilized excited in ways putting forward a vision of the country that challenges this idea that the country belongs to old heterosexual likeness. The end of nancy pelosi, susan . I do, when they start looking at that 17 million of settlements from, for the, from the previous 12 years, she was either speaker or minority leader and oversaw that. The deadline comes what about paul ryan . Only in power a year. So he wasnt wasnt speaker then and wasnt overseeing it. Mitch mcconnell . This is the congressional fund. And i think on the senate front, theyve only found i dont think its a substantial amount of are money theyve seen. Things have come to light. Nancy pelosi has to explain, after filing her interview on conyers, has to explain how she oversaw that many cases and well see a lot more not just from that 17 million, also when people review campaign accounts of members of congress. And does donald trump pay a penalty . From the Metoo Movement, politically . Of course. Something hes dealt with since day one, of course. Now that the Metoo Movement is something people talk about more openly. Even some democrdemocrat oppone talking about on capitol hill. Saying donald trump should resign because of accusers against him. And when you look at Donald Trumps poll numbers theyre horrible. He gets better marks when they look at him on issues like the economy. It is clear that donald trump is pulling down the party. Not necessarily the way hes handling his policy. And he endorsed roy moore. There was a report that romney mcdaniel, head of the rnc worried that endorsement would kill him with women. Well see, though. He was right. Susan, yours was firing james comey and the appointment of a special counsel. In 2018, still talking about comey . Oh, well were going to be talking about comey and mueller and thats not going away anytime soon and it was just its not just that it happened which is significant. Its also because the amount of time the president has consumed tweeting about it. The way its led to him going after doj, going after law enforcement, going after the pillar of our society and trying to take it down, because he doesnt like an investigation that may hurt him. This is a you know, that takedown is not he needs to be Country First on this one. I know he wont do. Hes undercutting the justice department, undercutting the fbi. Trying to undercut the electoral process in 2016. He is still trying to do it to a degree with this Election Voter Fraud Commission out there and now were seeing roy moore, who we just mention add moment ago, trying to use this idea of voter fraud as a reason why he should not concede, and why he has standing to get back on the ballot or some sort of recount. Who knows. What does that mean, though, for us Going Forward . Will we see candidates refuse to lose and to claim voter fraud . Sure. I mean, when we talk about the Trump Presidency we talk about the undercutting of norms so often it almost doesnt mean anything anymore. This is really an important one. The question of accepting the legitimacy of our elections. There was a lot of concern. You remember in late 2016, that had donald trump lost, he would not have accepted the result of the election and wouldnt say that he was going to. Yes. It does not seem that roy moores challenge upon challenge upon challenge will get anywhere. Looks like doug jones will be a senator next weekend. Well move on from that, but theres a precedent, absolutely. And we still know the russians interfered with our elections and havent done anything to stop them in 2018. And the irony, donald trump is still here, despite all of what weve just said. Travel ban yours, gabe. Yes. Travel ban is extremely important this year. Not only happened essentially on day one of the presidency but enormous pro fetests immediatel showing both sides, the political power and raised the stakes for the coming year, and the years to come. Also it set the stage for donald trump being a divisive president. Not being a unifying president. Not starting with infrastructure, he could have got democrats onboard with. Starting with something that would alienate a large chunk of the population, and us from the rest of the world . The important point here. Obviously, theres an enormous issue here domestically with this travel ban and the legal fights that continued to keep going and will continue to keep going, but it also sends an enormous message to the rest of the world. On day one of the Trump Presidency, a dramatic break from the Obama White House and all previous administrations and sent a huge message to the world that, listen, youre going to have to Pay Attention to donald trump, because what youre about to see the next year, for the next four years, maybe the next eight years is like nothing youve seen before. A great point you brought up i hadnt thought about. The first time we saw such strong voter protest, besides after the inauguration. To your point energizing and having voter turnout. No one expected to see people turning up at airports and changing it. I applaud you for bringing that up. I hadnt remembered that with all the craziness. Pro fetests like we havent seen. In the 20th century. And the travel ban also understand stood as part of the culture war underneath it. Absolutely. Demographic shifts. The other. The people that dont look like us. Eddie, gabe, getting it now. Coming up, capitol hill versus Silicon Valley. The massive impact facebook, twitter and google had on 2017, and how they could shape the Political Landscape next year. And how social media could change the way we look at politics in 2018 and looking back on the political icons lost over the past year. First, josh lipton with the cnbc market wrap. Thanks, katy. All three indexes set for monthly gains. Dow notched its 71st record close for the year. S p gained five points, nasdaq closed 11 points higher. Financial stocks gave wall street a boost. Oil prices dipped, staying close to the psychologically key 60 level. A 2. 5 high touched earlier in the week. Thats it from cnbc, first in Business News worldwide. When you combine ancestrys dna test with its historical records. You could learn youre from ireland. Donegal, ireland. And your ancestor was a fisherman. With blue eyes. Just like you. Begin your journey at ancestry. Com welcome back. Members of President Trumps inner circle werent the only ones facing tough questions this year about russian meddling in the 2016 election. As the investigations heated um so does scrutiny of the major social media and Tech Companies like facebook, twitter and google. Early this year facebooks ceo and cofounder Mark Zuckerberg rejected the idea the social network had been manipulated by russia to affect the outcome of the election and by the end of the year, acknowledged bots were seen by millions. Twitter and googling a knowledged they were infiltrated by russian Bank Accounts too. On twitter more than 30,000 accounts seen hundreds of millions of times. Joining me now, California Democratic congressman who represents parts of Silicon Valley. Congressman, thanks for joining us. Appreciate your time. I want to talk a little about tech and Silicon Valley and the changing way that americans and lawmakers are perceiving tech. Seems to be a bipartisan frustration with tech. Democrats not trusting it now because of their investment with the 2016 election, or their infiltration during the 2016 election. Then republicans see it as just out of touch with america. This liberal part of the country, and then liberal oped pages interestingly are using words like, evil and not your friend, when it comes to big tech. So as the person who represents a good portion of Silicon Valley what is your response to those sorts of criticisms . Well, i think we have to some some nuance. First, these companies are still widely admired. I think apple and google have over 80 Approval Ratings and im reminded in congress we have an 11 approval rating. That said, look, they have to do better. There were mistakes made. They didnt do enough to have third party verification. If someone goes on to your show and if i make a claim, it will be verified on social media. There were no mechanisms to verify it and they didnt do enough in disclosing where some of these ads were coming from. I do think the social media companies, Tech Companies, need to be more transparent, need to acknowledge that mistakes were made. But overall, i remain a technology opt mifrt and think most americans remain optimistic about technology. Are you confident the Tech Companies are taking the steps needed to secure their databases . Secure their platforms in time for 2018 . I think they have started. I think it would be wrong to say that they have solved the problem. These are very difficult problems. Even if they hire thousands of more people to do reviews, theres going to be a need for better machine learning, better Artificial Intelligence to be able to review the millions of possible people who use social media, and thats a conversation we need to have. I also think and i suggested this before. They need to hire a lot of journalists and people from Journalism Schools to say, what are the social Media Standards . How can we make sure something doesnt happen like what happened in the roy moore case, where a woman went on twitter, or a person, and said that the Washington Post paid her, turnered out to be wrong but that story was tweeted, retweeted and could vhave influenced peoples voting decision. Find a way to remove that from the flplatforms. Mark zuckerberg changed his opinions. Laughing it of you a saying it couldnt have interfered or had influence. That story changed quite a bit. And given that were running up to 2018, 2020 on the horizon as well. And theres still, should be a lot more done by Tech Companies. Do you think theres time, its time for more scrutiny potentially oversight or regulation on the part of congress on to tech . I do, but i dont think it is one of grandstanding of just asking a question to make it on to the evening news. It has to be collaboration, and these Tech Companies have to realize. They claim that they helped to bring on the arab spring and they claim that people like barack obama and Bernie Sanders benefited from social media and theres no question that they did, but they cant say that they are changing the world with social media and then not acknowledge the negative impacts. The fact that they amplify those platforms hate speech. The fact that they have led to false propaganda on those platforms and what would be great is if we toned down the rhetoric. If tech leaders on their part were more transparent to come to the media, answer the tough questions, be open and honest that its a new technology that has mistakes and politicians should really learn the technology and try to be collaborative how to solve the problems that may involve more regulation. But it also just involves a conversation about what type of technology is needed to solve some of these problems. Isnt it going to be difficult, though, for congress to figure out a way to regulate or work with companies on this . Do many folks in congress understand how these platforms work . Do many members of Congress Know how to code . Well, i think that congress could learn a little bit more. They should come out to the valley and learn what is possible. I mean, for example, some people called for Net Neutrality for Tech Companies. Not just for Internet Service providers. What does that mean . Does that mean that amazon should be required to sell every product in the world . Or that every website should have an alternative perspective . I do think there has to be more knowledge about the conversation, and there has to be one other central point, which is when i go to places like ohio, youngstown which tim ryan represents, or paintsville, kentucky, hal rogers, a republican represents, he calls paintsville silicon hollow. People there are hungry for technology to come to their communities, to have new tech jobs. And Silicon Valley has a responsibility to make sure some of these jobs are placed in other parts of the country, and i think congress has a responsibility to understand the benefits of technology as well and how to take advantage of that. Remember, democratic voters are for the beginning of impeachment proceedings against President Trump. 2018 is a big election, and theres a lot of talk about whether or not democrats should run on impeachment. Wrap do you think . What do you think . That would be a mistake, i think. Heres what i say to my colleagues, democrats, who want to push for impeachment. Imagine if there was a republican who said, i dont care what bob mueller finds. I dont care if the president was bribed. Im never going to vote for impeachment. We find that totally unreasonable. What about the evidence . How can we say, were for impeachment before we even know the Mueller Investigation or the outcome . We should wait to see what the evidence is, or were being equally biased and i also think that the democrats, weve got to learn the lesson. One of the lessons of this last election. People were upset at all of us in positions of responsibility. They felt their lives werent being taken into consideration. That a lot of the job creation, the wealth creation, was on the coast, and weve got to figure out, how do we connect, assure people left behind that we have a vision for them . Everyone is capable of having an opinion about donald trump. Theres nothing i can say today thats probably going to change someones mind about donald trump, but i think what i can say and democrats can say may give them more confidence we actually have a plan to solve their problems, and my belief is that should be the focus. Congressman, good to see you. Thanks for coming. Thanks, katy, for having me on. 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We didnt talk about what happened in new mexico at that high school and its at a time needed to have a discussion about gun control. A time that we needed to talk about mass shootings. The data you put up earlier. Here we have these babies in a high school. They were killed. And then this extraordinarily heroic substitute teacher who had the presence of mind to put a sofa in front of the door. We had no discussion about it. We were paying attention to the p. T. Barnum of american politics, donald trump. Even the shootings that did get a lot of focus, las vegas and texas, they were here and gone in a second. And we kept hearing from lawmakers about how now is not the time to talk about gun control and talk about guns. Chuck had this take on that. That went viral, as it should have. When is the time to talk about it if it is not right after it happened . The only Gun Legislation that went through was reciprocity to go state lines with concealed weapons. Not one thing was done after that. Couldnt even get the bump. I dont know what has to happen before people talk about it in a serious way. I dont know. We had 22 kindergartners killed. It is so frequent we have become totally numb to it. Is that the way to cover it . Weve decided as a country that it is not important to us . We wont change things . We wont change our legislation . Because were not doing that . Is it a story thats worth yift coverage any longer . If were going to accept it as a society, which we clearly are because nothing is changing, do you cover it that way . We should not accept that were accepting it as a society to begin. With i can think of few things more newsworthy than the murder of innocent americans. Until people hold their officials accountable. It wont change until until the voters who are single issue voters for gun control. Single issue voters for doing something about the laws rather than the voters who are single issue voters for not touching gun control. These lobbies, theyre not focusing on moderate republicans. Theyre not going after the districts where you can make a difference. Theyre more or less building up their support where they have it. They need to learn to communicate with voters in a different way. They need to reach out across the party line. Not just go to the traditional base of support. Spend the tens of millions of dollars that people do on political campaigns and doing super pacs for or against a candidate on this issue against a particular member of the house or senate. Yours was cities pushing back on the paris climate accords. We only have a little bit of time. My point is that for all the attention that was paid to the president pulling out of this accord, you have cities, states, corporations standing up and saying you may not want to abide by these regulations but were going to. So thats an enormous step that has been taken by a number of governments all over the country and something people need to Pay Attention to the appointment of federal judges. Neil gorsuch was a Huge Supreme Court appointee. 12 appointed judges, changing the face of the judiciary for decades to come. Talk about a deep state. That may be it. Stories that didnt get covered in 2017 but that will still be relevant and might get another, unfortunately, if were talking about, another round in 2018 and the years to come, sadly for us. Thank you so much and happy new year. I want to say, erica garner, she is on her death he bed. She was the daughter of the person killed in new york. Thank you very much. Thank you. Coming up, ahead, lights, camera, distraction. Usaa to me means peace of mind. We had a power outage for five days total. We lost a lot of food. We actually filed a claim with usaa to replace that spoiled food. And we really appreciated that were the webber family and we are usaa members for life. In case you missed it, you never know what youll see on live tv. Maybe something extinct. Were really confused about this. Is this par for the course any time you make big changes to the tax law like this . No. Not our chief white house correspondent. Shes not extinct. This was her this morning in the foreground, at least. In the back ground, your runofthemill marauding band of dinosaurs. Clearly up to no good. Good news, they kept their distance chewing the scenery but nothing else. She handled the distraction like a pro. Tweeting at least wasnt gators. As a rule we dont encourage cameos but every so often you have to give it up for creativity. So i say this, give yourselves a round of applause with your tiny little hands. Thats all for tonight. Chuck will be back tomorrow with a special edition of mtp daily. Good evening. Mike flynn flipped on trump. Then there were leaks trump would flip. You may remember. Tonight trumps lawyer denying it all with a pretty big statement on the record saying this is complete nonsense and more fake news. As a response that echoed President Trumps rejection of the whole mueller probe. This is public positioning were getting. Well bring you more than that. Tonight is december 28th. Thats not just any night in the flynn saga. In fact it was one year ago