Anyway a good life lesson. Youre a good dad and a good fan. Trying. Trying. My 10yearold mike make it to 108. Anyway its the friday, the president punts Big Decisions to congress. Tonight President Trump ends subsidies for obamacare. Its step by step by step. Does the president really want to blow up the aca or just make it look that way . Well hear from both sides of the health care debate. Plus decertifying the Iran Nuclear Deal. I am announcing a change and full range of constructive actions. Former cia chief leon panetta weighs in on the president s move. And later why im obsessed with too much of a good thing when the Great American pastime goes way past all of our bedtimes. This is mtp daily and it starts right now. Good evening and welcome to mtp daily. Im chuck todd here in washington. For some, the overarching goal of President Trumps first year in office so far, at least to those on the left, seems to be about taking a wrecking ball to obama era policies and today the president made two big moves on that front working to undo or unravel two of president obama signature achievements. One foreign, one domestic and setting off Chain Reactions ahome and abroad. Just this afternoon, decertifying the Iran Nuclear Deal pushing off much of the responsibility for the ultimate future of this deal to capitol hill. Well dig into that later in the broadcast. Former defense secretary leon panetta is coming up. We begin with a big jolt to the u. S. Health care system potentially and definitely a bigger jolt to congress. It was ending key obamacare subsidies that help lower the cost of premiums for lowincome americans especially those in tough to insure marketplaces. The white house said its taking away what they call a bailout for Insurance Companies that was done unlawfully by the last administration. That money was a subsidy and almost you could say a payoff to Insurance Companies, and what we have to do is come up with great health care. Now, critics say this move could unleash instability on Americas Health care markets. The Congressional Budget Office predicted this would spike premiums increase deficits and leave around 1 million more people uninsured. But the president disagrees and said today he had to do this, because congress had let him down. Were taking a little different route than we had hoped, because getting congress, they forgot what their pledges were. So were going a little different route, but you know what . In the end its going to be just as effective and maybe it will even be better. But in President Trumps world, everything is negotiable and sure seems he made this move today as a way to force democrats to negotiate further on health care. If the democrats were smart, what theyd do is come and negotiate something where people could really get the kind of health care that they deserve. What would be nice, if the Democratic Leaders could come over to the white house. Well negotiate some deal thats good for everybody. The democrats should come to me. I would even go to them. But the democrats already are negotiating on health care, to months now. A bipartisan effort on health care call them fixes between senators Lamar Alexander, republican tennessee and patti from Washington State working to keep subsidies out of pockets for folks who need the help. Cold water thrown on that today telling politico it would take a Broader Health care deal for the president to revive the health care payments. The fact is, we are getting mixed messages from this administration. One thing is very clear. With the announcements of iran and health care today the president at least for now wants to look like hes being tough and keeping his word. He wants to look like hes doing something big, but what hes really doing is creating a disruption and not completely killing whats already there and passing the torch to congress yet again making all of this their collective problem perhaps. Joining me, republican congresswoman diane black of tennessee. She is among other things chairman of the House Budget Committee and a candidate for tennessee governor in 2018. Congresswoman black, good to see you. Thank you, chuck, for having me today. Let me start with a politics question involving health care. Is there a negotiation or not . What is your understanding . I know its taking place on the senate side and i know you have a good working relationship with senator 15alexander given your bone tennesseans. How much are you interested in what they come up with and keeping an eye on this . Im a nurse by background, first and in the business of health care over 45 years and were seeing at least here in the state of tennessee and i think across the country is that even though you subs sky premiums, the premiums may be low so someone can afford that, but when you have a deductible so high they cant afford to use their card, that really doesnt help. So these csrs if were working, doing what we needed them to do we probably wouldnt be having that much of this conversation right now. I have worked or at least talked with Lamar Alexander previously. Right from the very beginning. Over two years ago, about what we would do on a repeal and replace. Obviously, that was something that we worked on at the beginning of the year because of my role as the budget chairman, but im very disappointed that the senate hasnt come up with something. When the president talks about congress, i really wish he would acknowledge that house has done its work. Its up to the senate to do their work now. Just do anything and gish it back to us to have a Conference Committee and get this taken care of. Let me ask you this. I understand you have a disagreement on how effective you think the subsidies are. In what the president did today, is that going to make the Health Insurance market better or worse right now as the law stands . I think until you get rid of the individual mandates and the employer mandates that nothings going to get better. Let me give an example of that. So does this make it worse . I mean, i guess my question is we could whether you a, like obamacare or not, is it a good are you making the problem worse accelerating the problems unnecessarily . I dont think youre making it worse. As i said at the beginning of my conversation with you, we have people all over the state of tennessee saying i want the exchange can afford the premiuming because im getting help but cant afford the deductibles and therefore cant begin to use my insurance. You got to take it more than talking about the isolated csrs. Its more than that. As long as you keep the mandates there and people cant get what they want for a cost they can afford i think youre going to continue to have this problem. I guess i feel like, though, were in a culdesac in health care. The president wants a new plan. The senate has proven it cant. You guys passed a plan that couldnt pass the senate. Where are we going here . Nothing can pass the senate. I mean, the senate couldnt even vote on a bill they voted on previously. They couldnt pass it. So where are we going . Thats a very good question and im sorry ill put it right back at the feet of my senators saying give us something. Go to conference. Work this out. Lets get something, because you know what . The American People are hurting. If premiums skyrocket, right . The cbo believes that we can we can disagree on whether it is pe effective or not. Insurance companies are make going on the threat theyll pull out and perhaps playing a game of chicken with the government, but if they do this, is everybody going to sit there and let it happen or is there going to be a bandaid to make sure it doesnt totally unravel in 2018 . Id like to see the president run an executive order saying no longer are there individual and, individual mandates and employer mandates. Just that, got that out of the way, we can actually start to let the market work. The market works everywhere else. I go to the grocery store, the market works. The market works in other places. And i think we need to let the market work. Where is the market worked on health care, when you have not to get into a philosophical discussion, but when you have every doctor saying if anybody comes to an emergency room theyll treat them, its not a its not a market that sort of that youre youre being forced into figuring out how to subs sky that Free Health Care that nobody pays for at the emergency room. So let me tell you, chuck, ill an emergency room nurse. There are people that came into my emergency room that i, the nurse, was the first to see them that i could have sent them to a walkin clinic or doctor the next day because of a Wall Congress put in place to say, no, i have to treat everybody that walks in that emergency room. You took away our ability to say no. An emergency room is not the proper place and then put the burden on top of that saying you must do that. You would get rid of a law that mandates Emergency Rooms to see every patient that shows up . I would get rid of a law that says that you are not allowed as a Health Care Professional to make that decision about whether someone can be appropriately treated the next day or to walk in clinic or at their doctor. We must treat everybody that walks in whether a sore throat for a week. We must see them. That crowds the emergency room. It drives the cost of emergencies up. And so, yeah. If someone comes in from an auto accident, i dont want to ask whether they have insurance or not. Im going to take care of them. But it crowded my emergency room where i work and disallowed me from using my good judgment skills of which i was trained to do and doctors are as well, and its federal government saying you must, and you cant make those decisions. I think that was a poor thing for us to do. Its driven the cost of health care up and especially in the Emergency Rooms. All right. Before i let you go, one of your colleagues in the u. S. Senate, bob corker, and the president , certainly had a war of words this week. Im curious of your reaction to it. Look, i dont believe that we should be in the news calling each other names to be begin with, but i think the president is very frustrated with the congress, and not the house of representatives but the senate that were not getting things done and so i think that this this dialogue has occurred because of the lack of work thats being done in the state senate. Do you think the president s criticisms you think the president scorker were fair . I dont think thats the way to dialogue with one another. I dont dough that when i dialogue with him and put it on the front page of the newspaper. That doesnt help anybody. Its better done behind closed doors. Theres an agenda. The president wants to get his agenda moving, we quickly promised to repeal and replace and havent. Hes frustrated. Dodd frank, 12 appropriation bills. There is frustration. Spent a lot of time on health care. Thanks for coming on sharing your views. Good to talk to you. Joining me kathleen sbeegiosbeeg io sebelius and i have a feeling she has a lot of opinions on whats been happening today. All right. Let me ask you this you heard the congresswoman there, particularly on the risk corridor issue. Address her concern that basically says, look, thats nice of her subs skies the insurance, but the deductibles are so high that they havent been useful so it hasnt worked. What would you say in response to her . Well, im im fairly stunned by that last interview, chuck, to hear a Health Care Provider say we should repeal the federal law that allows mandates that hospitals treat anyone coming through the door is stunning, and to hear the congresswoman say let the president issue an executive order contrary to the law thats in place is fairly stunning. But maybe she doesnt understand what the costs sharing subsidies are. They are specifically to lower deductibles and copays for the lowest income individuals in the marketplace. So if she thinks deductibles are too high, if she thinks that people cant afford them, repealing the help that individuals get from the federal government to pay those subsidies seems to me to be total contrary to her belief. We might need more help, do more people need help paying out of pocket costs, you bet . Should regulators spend more time and energy trying to lower these insurance costs . You bet. But repealing the help thats currently in law, in place, for out of pocket costs doesnt seem to me to advance the congresswomans concerns. Im curious philosophically the larger question. Do you believe our Health Care System can essentially be a free market system . That it could be sort of you know obviously we got into the emergency room law repeal that sort of complicated our debate, our back and forth on that, but specifically, if you did take that away can it be a free market . Health insurance is not a free market. Lets start there. I think the notion that without any rules, without any oversight Insurance Companies will make choices that advance particularly the needs of people who need the health care the most, older, sicker, disabled folks, is just not accurate, and frankly, weve had the free market in place, in this for individuals, for Small Business owners for decades. Every idea that the republicans are bringing forward, every idea in what president announced yesterday in his executive order rolling back these subsidies is the old market. This is what has been tried and failed. You split people into who promises never to get sick and who will get sick. You charge match higher rates. You dont provide coverage. Thats what the free market looks like. Let me ask you, one of the reform ideas the president pushed. Ill be honest i paper i sit here and say i dont understand why there isnt more agreement on this which is this idea of allowing associations, allowing plumbers to get together, and essentially get their own Health Care Plan that would allow some, you know, some why is there such vehement disagreement is it simply due to the regulatory aspect of it, or could you come up with a way to allow this and have it, and be supportive of it . Sure. You could allow it as long as they operate under the Consumer Protection laws. So i was an insurance commissioner for eight years. We had a lot of associations providing health plans to their memberships as way, frankly, to increase membership. That didnt know much about Health Insurance but wanted more members. The problem is, you need consumers to be sure that theres money in the bank to pay the claims. A lot of them didnt have reserves. They didnt have the wherewithal. You need the rates to be enough to collect to make sure the companies dont go bankrupt and theed Association Health plans to actually pay the claims they say theyre going to pay and offer the benefits that they tell members theyre going to offer. I cant tell you how many calls we had in kansas from consumers who would say, i bought Health Insurance. I cant get my claim paid. I just got notice that my company went bankrupt, and i got a wife in the hospital. What do i do . And what we would say to them is, were really sorry. We dont have oversight over that and cant regulate it. Call the 1800 number at the department of labor and hope they respond. Last question for you, and im curious. Because youve been a governor, youve been an insurance commissioner and youve been hhs secretary. Im just an old lady. No, no, no. But so much experience in this particular is single payer something that you could viably imp innoce implement in our system. Forget ideologically. Youve been on the front line. Is a something that could be implemented real linkly . Theres no question that medicare right now and what a lot of people talk about is medicare for all provides benefits to 53 million americans and 11,000 people a day are turning 65. Its a big system. Has contracts with doctors, hospitals, Drug Companies across this country. Medicare also operates part directly fees paid by the government, part of it is private companies. About onethird of seniors choose private companies. So there is no one size fits all. Its a package of benefits. Government oversight. Very low overhead. Thats a good deal. Thats what everybody wants and i think thats what we should strive for. Universal coverage with the lowest overhead possible. What youre saying is, no single payer . Well, to me it isnt the question of who pays. In medicare, for instance, the government pays a portion. Private citizens pay a portion. Yeah. And some of 2 it by private companies some public companies. They compete. Thats what we need in the marketplace. Secretary sbebelius, i leave it there. Im not sure you think single payer is viable but close. Leave it there. Thanks very much. Good to have you on. Thank you for sharing your views. Thanks. Nice to talk to you. Were going to continue this conversation. Those are two fascinating interviews that went there. That with the panel. Later talk with former cia chief and defense secretary leon panetta about the president s move on iroan. Keep it right here. It starts a chain reaction. Thats heard throughout the connected business world. At t Network Security helps protect business, from the largest Financial Markets to the smallest transactions, by sensing cyberattacks in near real time and automatically deploying countermeasures. Keeping the world of business connected and protected. Thats the power of and. Welcome back. 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That your business is our business the United States postal service. Priority you welcome back. Its time for the panel. All right. You guys heard the interviews. Let me start with the larger question here, matthew, since it was ideological. Diane black was making the case let the market work and when i said, well, i dont think the free market works anymore in health care because of the emergency rule law, she said, yes, thats a problem. Can there ever be a free market in the Health Insurance . There can be. People have written how you would get Something Like that, and unfortunately were nowhere near it, and a long way. Medicare is a big problem of this, by the way. And change obamacare to repeal, replace and move it in a slightly, not necessarily a free market direction but a consumer directed one. The consumer bearing more cost but also more choices. Were a long way from that in america today. Wheres this headed . I feel in the short term here, theres going to be a lot of people really worried about the consequences of these actions, and a bit politically panicked. Wheres this going . I think this is going to this idea youre going to have people attacking the very, i guess, sav sanctity of life. And taken back, as a reporter taken back by the fact, end that people have to be treated when they go to the e. R. Someone whos written about this, a woman i interviewed going to the e. R. For decades, not because she didnt want insurance, she couldnt afford it and was sick and that was the way she did it. I think that theres going to be an idea, you have democrats accusing republicans of being cold hearted and republicans saying, okay. If you really want to help everybody, how are you paying for single payer . The age old question of the two parties in general. Free market or taking care of anybody without actually having the money to do it, i think that the debate weve had over the last nine months about the Affordable Care act and what it should be repealed and replaced with is actually underscored that most people in america do not want a kind of complete free for all, free market Health Care System, or a free market insurance system, because they really do believe that health care realistic. But there is you know, they believe health care is a fundamental right. There is an unwillingness on the part of people to say, whoa. My preexisting conditions. You know . Pry those out of my cold, injured hands. And so the willingness to make those kinds of fundamental changes, i think, is not there. And the president has set us up for yet another debate about that. I was going to say. When it comes to health care, all Health Care Politics is personal. Right . Everybody applies their own personal experience and therefore, this is the way the law has to be. Let me ask this will these subsidies, dead forever, matthew, or the president s way of saying, congress, you want them, pass them and ill sign the law . A carrot for democrats to come to agreement with trump how to change obamacare. The issue, though, is really cost. Cost of health care. Especially cost of health care for the people on exchanges. A very small number of people in the country. Two types of cost. Costs Health Insurance but the cost itself havent talked about that. The cost of the Actual Health care. Hospital costs. How do you lower costs . Trumps executive order yesterday, his attempt to start doing that. When you look at focus groups of trump voters, among all issues they raise, the high cost of health care. So he has to be showing that he is addressing this issue, even if congress cant get its act together in order to keep his base solidified. I get that. That enmmeans hell sign anythi. Sort of what youre saying. Sign any law. Hes been very open about that. His dig at rand paul yesterday saying, signing ceremony, senator paul. Youre here. I cant believe youre here, with this reform. You werent there with me when trying to do it legislatively and now has to resort to his plan the president verbalizing every thought, bubble, ever. And talking about the fact President Trump would sign almost anything given to him and in ways is looking for wins. Looking to look busy. Someone also looking at immigration, looking at infrastructure, whether or not those things actually happen, i think hes happy to sign things that make it look as though he is telling congress what to do and he got this. Wait a minute. The person who comes out looking good in this week is President Trump. Hes saying, congress couldnt get their stuff together. Im a republican, but still angry at the fact these people you elected havent passed, repealed obamacare like i told them to do. Wont use a legislative tool that i told them to use and as a result Mitch Mcconnell and paul ryan are looking like youre not taking action and the president s trying to do his best. Do you believe these costsharing subsidies are truly gone . I dont think theyre gone. I think theres going to be an enormous amount of pressure on Congressional Republicans to save themselves from what the president did, because the consequences of losing these are going to hit their constituents. So i think theres going to need to be a way. I actually think it strengthens democrats hands to get a deal, because i think the republicans know theyre going to be blamed. Interesting. You think democrats will go to the table . Do you think democrats walk . Does anybody think democrats walk or stay . I dont know. Im not sure of that. A question whether people actually feel the brunt of this elimination of a subsidy to an insurance company. Right . This might raise the costs Insurance Companies disappear from exchanges. Exchanging get they are own subsidies written into law. President trump addressing a constitutional question about, jackl jackl lue deciding pause the dlofrgs. Sti conversation. Still ahead, punting to Congress Health care and the iran deal too. When you have moderate to severe ulcerative colitis, the unpredictability of a flare may weigh on your mind. Thinking about what to avoid, where to go, and how to work around your uc. Thats how i thought it had to be. But then i talked to my doctor about humira, and learned humira can help get and keep uc under control. When certain medications havent worked well enough. Humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. 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Experience the comedy, not your commute. Dial starstaraudible on your smartphone to start listening today. Welcome back. President trump has called the Iran Nuclear Deal the worst. He said its incompetently drawn and a horrible embarrassment to the country and today threatened to terminate the deal but he didnt. Instead he basically punted the decision to congress. The president refused to certify the agreement this afternoon warning the deal was just a shortterm delay in irans quest for Nuclear Weapons call its iran a rogue and fanatical regime saying tehran violated the deal on several occasions and wa not honoring the spirit of the agreement. As i have said many times, the iran deal was one of the worst and most onesided transactions the United States has ever entered into. This same mindset that produced this deal is responsible for years of terrible trade deals that have sacrificed so many millions of jobs. France, germany and the uk also signers of this agreement. Remember, its not a deal between the United States and iran. In a joint statement, those countries put out critical of the president s remarks. Russia called it troubling. Israel praised President Trumps words as courageous. Despite the president s bl s b today the deal isnt dead, putting it in congress court, whether to attach new agreements or impose sanctions and essentially end the deal. A think were going to take a look, john, at what happens. Were going to see what happens. See what they come back with. They may come back with something very satisfy to me and if they dont within a very short period of time ill terminate the deal. Weve seen in the past, just because President Trump says he will follow through with something doesnt mean he fully will. Were going to talk about all of this after the break with former defense secretary and cia chief leon panetta. 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I like the watt nulnut farmer o former secretary of state john kerry put out a statement on the president s remarks on iran and im curious if you share his anger thats in here, to be honest. Its a reckless abandonment of facts in favor of ego and ideology from a president who would rather play a high stakes game of chicken with the congress and with iran than admit that the Nuclear Agreement is working. Pretty personal, pretty harsh. Do you see this that way . Well, i think it is a, a terrible mistake at a very dangerous time in the world. Its not to say that there arent legitimate concerns here about iran, with regards to their support for terrorism, their development of missiles, their general contribution instability in the region plus the desire to get a nuclear weapon. But what you have here is a situation where weve made progress on trying to restrain them from getting a nuclear weapon. And the real question is, how do you deal with these other concerns . And the problem is that the president has kind of rolled the grenade in the room had it go off, without having a strategy as to where were going. The reality is that we now have a decertification of this agreement, and that theyre not in compliance when they are, in fact, in compliance. Were out there alone without our allies. We have broken our word, and the bottom line here is were throwing this whole mess to congress, which doesnt have a very good record of trying to deal with anything, much less the situation in iran. Its going to create a tremendous amount of confusion in a world thats already very dangerous. You were in the administration, obama administration, which this was in the midst of look, this was a deal that took years to put together. Can you explain why the issue of irans support of terrorist groups like hezbollah, why the Ballistic Missile issue . Why some of the things werent part of the agreement . You know, thats been the larger criticism from the president and those that have been critical of this deal is, it was too narrow. It allowed it took too many of the bad things off the table with iran. Why did that happen . Well, chuck, as you know, i wasnt in the administration at the time that the final agreement was made. I understand that. I think the best thing i understand is that our allies, and we had a number of allies there at the table. Russia, china, germany, great britain, france, they were all present. And i think there was a lot of push back not to deal with these other issues but focus on the Nuclear Weapons issue, because that was the primary concern. You know, i have the same concern about the fact that those issues were not dealt with, but at the same time, the fact is, they have abided by this agreement when it comes to Nuclear Weapons. What we need to do is get them to the table to discuss these other concerns. But the United States cannot do that alone. Weve we cannot just walk away from the deal and somehow hope that theyre going to do this. Iran is going to say we broke our word. Theres no incentive on the part of iran to come to the table, because theyll basically say the United States cannot be trusted. So in many ways weve undermyroned the one opportunity weve had to try to sit down with iran and deal with these other concerns. Okay. But it does seem as if the president in his own way is simply asking, give me some leverage to go back and negotiate with iran. So i i understand that you may think its too late. You may think its already that this, you know, its already been undermined and all of those things, but what can congress do . Lets assume they can do something here that could strengthen the president s negotiating hand without scuttling the deal. If you could design something, clearly the president wants to do this, what would it look like . Well, i think, you know, senator corker has some ideas that i think make some sense. What you would try to do is to make very clear that we are going to hold iran to the terms of this agreement. Were going to enforce the agreement, and make sure that theyre abiding by it, and if they dont, then we will apply sanctions. And at the same time, i think we would also urge that the United States use the leverage working with our allies. Working with our, with the rest, the other countries in the world, to try to see if we cannot persuade iran to come to the table and negotiate on these other issues, but you have to do it by retaining the agreement in place, because once we break that agreement, and tear it up, and break our word, its going to make it very difficult to do anything in terms of improving our relationship with iran. Quickly, i want to get your reaction to john kellys debut at the white house podium. One way he described his job. I was not brought to this job to control anything but the flow of information to our president so that he can make the best decisions. I restrict no one, by the way from going in to see him, but when we go in to see him now rather than onesies and twosies we go in and help him collectively understand what what he needs to understand to make these vital decisions. All right. As a former white house chief of staff, who do you think of his description there . Well, chuck, john has the right idea about what a chief of staffs job is. Hes chief of staff. Hes not president of the United States. And hes not expected to be able to tell the president what to do. What he has to do is to provide the president with a full series of well thought out options, develop a policy approach, and then present that to the president for the president s decision. I think that is ultimately the test. Whether or not you can have this president actually govern the country. Thats going to be the test. 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A game filled with the kind of moments no one had ever seen before. The good thing. Heres the bad thing. It took four hours and 37 minutto do it. No extra innings folks. The longest 9 00 inning postseason game in Major League History and playing thins 1903. 277 minutes. 38 players, 14 pitchers, 12 pitching changes. Regular replay reviews. And countless, countless, meetings on the mound. Without the meetings, pitching changes, batting glove adjustments somewhere youll find a threehour gym. Instead a nearly fivehour endurance test. Took my son it game, a school night. Special night and we had to leave in the ninth inning of a nine inning game. Why . Transportation and dilemmas. Challenge to the baseball commissioner. Watch that game again. Minute by minute. If you can bear it. Then do something. Edit out the following or put in a pitch clock. Dont let batters step out of the box as many time. Limit times to the mound. Cut commercial time. Something, anything, please. All of us baseball fans beg you. You have a great sport, but time is not on your side. Well be right back. We need to stop illegal aliens coming across our borders. We need to repeal obamacare. We dont need to replace it. Its not just a swamp. Its a quicksand. And thats what we see in washington. We dont have leadership. We have followership. Well, that was roy moore, hes a republican nominee in the Alabama Senate race, who beat trumps pick. Here in d. C. , ruth, your newspaper did a pretty big expose on his finances and youve done something. It clammed up roy moore. There was just some Coverage Today he cancelled some time with reporters that he was going to have, because he didnt want to address the allegations and the post store has a denyleia, its whether he is profiting off his foundations and charities and things like that. Where does this go . It was interesting, he has not, he has not made the splash here that i thought he would yet. You know, the i think that roy moore might be in the same position with his voters and his base that maybe donald trump is with his, naa lot of us saw, for example, the access Hollywood Tape and figured okay, thats it. You might see this kind of story about him essentially getting very large profits, which he has denied, by the way, right . He said he didnt take very much money from this charity, it turned out quite a bit, who is with whom is that going to hurt him . Probably not with his base voters. You know, matthew, hes saying, it appeared to be the strategy is to stay in friendly environment u environments. This obviously is a very friendly environment to him. Maybe thats a path to victory. But is it a dangerous bass . The local media is getting a littleancy like he doesnt get any access. I understand trashing National Media folks. But thats been that could bite him. He is running against a democrat who has his own problems, so i think that might ultimately work to judge moores advantage, the question, of course, if he becomes senator moore, then its much harder to dodge the capitol hill press core than it is to limit, avails on the campaign trail, so we might see the real deal starting next year. Well, i assume, thats like the fearsome republican senators. Theyre really looking forward to it. What is he going to say that suddenly ted cruz might like it, then, office what did he say that i have to respond to . Senator from tennessee or whatever . A capitol hill chaser is a capitol hill chaser. You call yourself the chase card. I place whack a mole and chase democratic senators. He will have a hard time. I say its impossible, you sit at these trainstration stati st three minutes i have your undivided questions and will scream questions at you. So if he has issues with his finance and actually gets to be elected an comes to the hill, he will have to answer those questions in a way thats way more broad than blanket discussions. I hate to throw this out with two minutes to go. Im curious, one minute to go as my producer just said, but these are pretty troubling ethical charges and we saw, it feels that you are right the roy moore base and donald trump base, nothing, it doesnt matter if you prove, hey, hes morally questionable or hes ethically questionable. I think the price that the members of the party of trump are willing to pay to fundamentally disrupt and even destroy washington, d. C. Is considerable. Hes willing to follow it quite a bit, his personal baggage in order to get what they want. What if the price gets too high . We havent seen it yet. We havent seen the price. The problem, of course, there is one thing to be ethical and have moral issues. Its one thing if you have all broken laws. It will put republicans in a bad space if they doesnt have to go to another election and see this person crash and burn. So there is that limit i would say for republicans. Yeah, i think the real fair of this post, what if it actually triggers an actual federal investigation . Lets remember, this guy twice got elected and was elected as the nominee. So hes got a lot of wiggle room. Im not sure he will be fleeing you. He may be happy to spout off. The price people are willing to pay to disrupt this town. We have yet to see the limit yet. All right, ruth, thank you. Up next on this friday the 13th, the end of the skyway to hell. Listen up, heart disease. You too, unnecessary er visits. And hey, unmanaged depression, dont get too comfortable. Were talking to you, cost inefficiencies, and data without insights. And fragmented care, stop getting in the way of patient recovery and pay attention. Every single one of you is on our list. 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And it has flown without incident on friday the 13th 22 times in the past 11 years. Not anymore, today was the last time flight 666 will fly on friday the 13th. In a tweet, they arranged they are rearranging flight numbers and flight 666 to hell will end later tonight. It also flies from singapore would like to remind us all they have a flight from sin to hell. Thats all for today, the beat with ari melber starts right now. Ari, digest that right now. Sin city is what that makes me think of. Have a good weekend, chuck. Thank you. Donald trump makes two big moves today getting a lot of attention. A very Political Announcement on that Iran Nuclear Deal, which actually changes nothing today the other is a huge action sabotaging obamacare and