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Own image with an agenda that would look alien to many republicans as recently as four years ago. This afternoon the white house told reporters that President Trump is considering a 20 tax on mexican imports as an option to raise the estimated 10 billion to 15 billion cost to build the wall between u. S. And mexico. Folks, a massive tariff or tax on trade goods is a move that republicans, at least in recent history, would never have supported. That is, perhaps, until now. President trump looks to be gearing up for a possible trade war, maybe not just with mexico, but with others. But of course, its something that he campaigned on hard and his voters essentially are granting him that mandate. This afternoon at the Republican Party retreat in philadelphia he ripped into mexico after it announced the cancelation of a meeting between the two president s. President trump and president nieto. It was scheduled for next week. Here is what he said. The president of mexico and myself have agreed to cancel our planned meeting scheduled for next week. Unless mexico is going to treat the United States fairly, with respect, such a meeting would be fruitless, and i want to go a different route. We have no choice. Woo President Trump was expected to sign as executive order, by the way, calling for a voter Fraud Investigation of some scope, that was to happen this afternoon. But the order is not is now expected sometime either tomorrow or saturday, if it happens at all. Perhaps it may not. It all comes after President Trump doubled down on his calls for a massive investigation into the election that he won. Here is President Trump last night on abc. So youve launched an investigation. Were going to launch an investigation to find out and then the next time and i will say this of those votes cast, none of them come to me. None of them come to me. They would all be for the other side. None of them come to me. But when you look at the people that are registered, dead, illegal, in two states, in some cases maybe three states, we have a lot to look into. Many people feel the same way that i do. You dont think it undermines your credibility . Not at all. They didnt come to me, believe me. Those were hillary votes. So, its a big agenda. Will republicans get behind it all . Is there a tip of the iceberg when it comes to sort of Traditional Movement conservativism, the party of reining it deficits working with the president. Who wants massive tax cuts without a clear way to pay for them. A trillion dollar infrastructure plan that he doesnt necessarily think needs to be paid for right now. He has noted money is cheap right now. Its a good time to borrow. The party opposed to Health Insurance mandates tasked to find a way to insure every man, woman and child. Party of free market capitalism confronts a president considering taxes on imparts. President trump wants companies taxed if they move businesses overseas. Republican leadership against torture. Their president last night at times sounding like he wanted to go medieval on combatants. A word he used. Dont forget the party that won the election is being asked by trump to support a massive investigation into it. So far republicans on capitol hill are not kicking up much of a fuss politically. Joined by Chris Collins of new york, republican congressman. The white house transition teams chief congressional liaison. He joins me from philadelphia. Good to see you. Good to be with you, chuck, yes. Let me start by asking you about the border tax idea. Sure. I got to show you this tweet interest lindsey graham. Republican senator from south carolina. Ill put it on screen and read it to you. It says, simply put, any policy proposal which drives up costs of corona, tequila or margaritas is a bigtime bad idea. Mucho sad. You know his sense of humor. Where are you on this . Chuck, part and parcel of reducing Corporate Tax rates to 20 , three individual rates significantly lower taxes means tremendous growth in the u. S. With business. More jobs, and the fundamental pay for is a border adjustability tax. If Corporate Taxes are 20 and to simply put it, if companies can no longer deduct the cost of goods not made in america. So the cost of goods made anywhere but america, they cannot deduct as an expense. That in effect is a 20 surcharge, tariff, tax, on anything not made in america. And that is the fundamental pay for. Its not too dissimilar to a valueadded tax of 16 to 20 or even more other countries have. This is fair trade. I believe the republican conference can support this as a way to level the Playing Field and get the jobs back in america. All right. You and i have actually had have they conversation because you you admit this could mean the cost of going to walmart may go up. The cost of going to target may go up. The cost of going to the mall may go up for individual consumers. Maybe there are better wage jobs, maybe it balances out. Is the American Public ready for higher prices . Well, chuck, the American Public needs jobs. They need betterpaying jobs, competitions for jobs means higher wages. As america is booming, i suspect our currency will get stronger. With a stronger currency, that would offset some of these increases coming from other countries. So i would just suggest what we know is we need the jobs here. Other countries have been stealing our jobs. This is a way to get taxes down, get gdp growth up, and yes, there is going to be some inflation, but yes, you and i have also said inflation is something we need. We dont need runaway inflation. At least then were paying the debt down in the future with cheaper dollars. Earlier this week i was helping my son study for a science test. And he had to memorize newtons laws of motion. Obviously one of them is for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. The Mexican Government is not going to take this and say, okay, this is what america is doing. There are there is plenty of Business Done in mexico. Plenty of exporting. 40 . Nebraska has a big chunk of its export go to mexico. They may resciprocate. Can our economy handle this . What youll find other countries taking advantagef us with a valueadded tax imposed on our goods with a free ride into our country, were just leveling the Playing Field. If they want to call it a trade war and then up with additional sanctions or tariffs against the u. S. , well, then well have to respond in kind. I dont believe thats going to happen. I dont believe that w. T. O. , the world trade organization, would declare our border adjustability tax an unfair tax. This is something we would have to wait and see. But these other countries depend on the u. S. Consumers. We are 25 of the worlds economy. They would have to entritread carefully and decide where to pick their fights. Were just leveling the Playing Field. You bought up the v. A. T. Tax. Thats sometimes repetitive because of the t there. Is that where were headed . No. Is that the logical conclusion to where tax reform goes . No, absolutely not. A v. A. T. Is something its a very complicated tax that is put on every step. The valueadded. Something thats manufactured. This is much simpler. If a product is not made in america, then you are not able to deduct it. Its a tax paid by corporations when they pay their 20 Corporate Tax. Very simple. The simplicity is really the key to the success. And so no. A v. A. T. Is not something we would support. The european countries, canada, theyve gsts, but no. Thats not the logical conclusion. This is a one and done with a border adjustability tax. How will a Manufacturing Company of sorts react to this . So, is it do you think the ultimate response will be, lets say take a company like apple, that any theyll then make theyll make apple products in mexico to sell in mexico to avoid taxes, make apple products in america to sell in america to avoid is that where we could be headed, where corporations are encouraged via the tax code to conduct business that way . Well, first of all, under our proposal corporations selling products overseas will pay no tax. We are going to go and start only taxing corporations on products they sell in the United States. So this will encourage exports. And when it comes to whether apple would make products here versus other places, it comes down to the 20 . If something is cheaper by 20 or more in another country they may in fact still make it in another country. Time and again we hear that the cost differential in made in america versus made in china or other countries is in the 16 to maybe 30 range. So, if its in the 20 and there is obviously cost because youre doing business overseas, this is going to be a big incentive for the Companies Like apple to bring manufacturing back in the u. S. So they can subtract the cost of that portion of their revenue. It will be a decision they have to make but, boy, it will level the Playing Field tremendously and quickly. Congressman. Chris collins. Well be watching. Interesting talking to you. Thanks for your time, sir. Appreciate it. Okay, chuck. Amy walter. National editor of the cook political report. Amy dunn and ramesh. Ill start with you. Chris collins shares a body ideology with donald trump. I dont know if he is representative of the House Republican conference these days. Do you think he is . Well, on this specific issue, whether there should be a border adjusted tax, that was part of paul ryans better way tax plan. This is sort of their idea of how to thread the needle where they can do something that doesnt discriminate between imports and domestically produced goods but maybe tries to allay some of the protectionist pressure. The Republican Party you dealt with in the white house, anita, would never have gone near Something Like this. This is interesting. This is why i through in the v. A. T. Ask earlier. This is essentially the way the europeans tax themselves. Could we be headed that way . The Republican Party we dealt with from the Obama White House insisted that we had to pay for emergency help to communities that had been wiped out by tornadoes and hurricanes and now theyre talking about passing i think the largest tax cut in history without funding it. And spending a trillion dollars for infrastructure without saying how theyll pay for that either. So its a different Republican Party under donald trump. This tax proposal, listen, its been 31 years since we have modernized the tax code. Ronald reagan was president. The internet had not been invented. Nobody argues it isnt time to do this. Its interesting, though, that a blue print that not a lot of people paid attention to last year suddenly has become, you know, rather revolutionary in terms of its approach. Very different from anything people have been talking about before. Very different from republican ideology. It is interesting. Thats the larger thing, amy, that i wanted to get at, which is that donald trump is changing the Republican Party and how quickly republicans are climbing on board. So many of these folks most of them are not talking, theyre just going along. Right. They were highly critical of these ideas. Forget him the person. Theyd say this is antithetical to comfort thought. Conservative thought. Rameshs entire magazine. Im sure it helps mitch get more invites to the white house, right . So, when you had the vote on fast track, what was that, two years ago, two summers ago, 90 of House Republicans supported it. Thats how we got to tpp. How many of them are by the way most of them are not still around. The folks who are in congress now were not around during the obamacare fights but were around for the trade things. 90 . Yep. Need to do more. Be on board. Free trade. Great. Now off. On the issue of tax reform, obviously were going to this is the other question here. Its one thing, we know about the blueprint and the paul ryan plan on tax reform, what thats supposed to go to is reforming the tax code versus are we using this to pay for a wall and reform the tax . Those are two different discussions. I want to pivot this conversation to this issue of mexico. Okay. I talked to some folks who work and live and spend a lot of time in mexico. Essentially the mexican elite, whatever you want to their political elite. They feel like theyre getting ejected from north america. A wall going up. Nafta is getting renegotiated. There will be political pressure on their government to stop a lot of cooperation with the United States and we do a lot of cooperation. This is bigger than taxes and jobs. The Trump Administration does not seem to act on the assumption that a stable and prosperous and friendly mexico is in the u. S. National interest. If they believe that, theyre certainly not communicating it, and its certainly, i think, the y the mexicans are taking it. Where are the canadians in all of this too, by the way . Are they not our number one trading partner . We talked about nafta. Were talking about canada too. There is a reason that first george bush and bill clinton felt nafta was a key important thing for the economy of the United States and the Foreign Policy of the United States as well. The idea that a north american treaty was critical to foreigncforeign parties for a long time. Donald trump has been in office for six days. He promised change, its change. Picking a fight with mexico. Does anybody think its bad politics to pick a fight with mexico if youre donald trump . In the short term. There is a policy fight that could come. So no there is no punishment politically for him right now. Raising prices at walmart could backfire. Well have to see what the effects i like having Chris Collins on. He is one of those guys yes. That will be one of the effects. Joe klein is one of those we have to have this societal conversation. Innovation to the point where people dont have work. Is that too much. I think the other thing about it, though, which is you asked him specifically about the threat to mexico. Congressman collins came back with broad tax reform, right . I think you get a real sense of how the House Republicans will deal with a lot of this stuff, which is, oh, you asked me about that . Thats not what i want to talk about right now. There will be a lot of rabbit holes that they can chase these guys down over the next four years and theyre not going to follow. Already only 23 republicans that sit in districts that he did not win. Only 23 sit in clinton districts. The latitude he has one senator in 2018 who sits in a state she won. How chaotic Foreign Policy is right w. A week ago President Trump was saying he was against the border adjusted tax idea. Since then hes walked it back and now theyre proposing it and now theyve said it was just an option. Who knows. If you are a policy wonk. Its both going to be exciting and frustrating i think right now in this town. All right. You guys are sticking around for the hour coming up. Details on a staff shakeup at the state department. Plus, keeping up appearances, why the president and one of his top strategists have decided to take on the media over and over again. Stay tuned. Y with the kids to get a repair estimate. Liberty did what . 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Acting state Department Spokesman mark turner said the departures of longtime staffers is business as usual. In the American Foreign Service Association agrees. Two state Department Officials tell us that one of them planned to serve in the next administration. Now her last day is friday. Whatever replaces her in charge of enforcing voting policy. Rex tillerson is expected to be sworn in as early as next week. Other longtime serving diplomats have chosen to quit rather than serve in a new administration and now President Trumps state department has even more jobs to fill. Most of these folks had served multiple bipartisan administrations. Thats why it seems so unique today. Well be right back. Imple trip o the Grocery Store anything but simple. So i had an important nvsation witmy dermatologist about humira. He explained that humira works inside my body to target and help block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to my symptoms. 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In an interview in the New York Times today his chief strategist, steve bannon says the media should, quote, keep its mouth shut telling the reporter you are the opposition party, not the democratic party. You are the opposition party. The media is the opposition party. Thats the position of steve bannon, chief strategist inside the white house. Folks, the reason the Trump Administration sees the media as the opposition might be because their boss is so driven by his own press coverage. Listen to this other part from the abc news interview. I went to the cia. My first stop. I have Great Respect for the people in intelligence and cia. I dont have a lot of respect for in particular one of the leaders but i have a lot of respect for people in the cia. That speech was a home run. That speech, if you look at fox, okay, i am mentioned we see what fox said. They said it was one of the great speeches. Showed the people applauding and screaming. You would give the same speech if you gave back . People loved it. Gave me a standing ovation for a long period of time. Most of them never sat down during the whole speech. Part of my whole victory was that the men and women of this country, who have been forgotten, will never be forgotten again. Part of that is, when they try and demean me unfairly, because we had a massive crowd of people, we had a crowd i looked over that sea of people, and i said to myself, wow and i have seen crowds before. Big, big crowds. That was some crowd. According to the transcript released by abc news trump said his standing ovation at the cia was the biggest since Peyton Manning won the super bowl. It is not clear what trump was referring to there, whether manning spoke to the cia. That we dont have. It wasnt in the interview. Bringing back my panel. Amy, anita and ramesh. Amy, steve bannon clearly they want a foil. I am aware. I have been quoted as saying i am not interested in being a political prop. The media has been a foil for president s for a long time. That was something else. To go directly at the very people whose job is to cover you and to say not simply that, look, were going to have an adversarial relationship, there is stuff im not going to want to tell you, there is stuff were going to disagree on but to say youre actually my enemy and my opposition and a different place to be than we have ever seen. But i think the point for the media, then, to look at that and to say, okay, weve got a lot, though, to cover. That has nothing to do with what steve bannon does or doesnt want you to see, believe or listen to. And that the spinning about whatever hes going to spin about, how were dishonest, how weve said the wrong thing, is only going to work until it stops working, when people actually see that policy has consequence, theyre going to like it or theyre not. And thats the end. You got in a war with fox pretty early in the Obama Administration. I did. Ill be frank with you. I thought it was i thought i was uncomfortable when you attacked a news organization. Fine. Somebody was in the white house. I probably i think i was critical at the time. Do you regret that at the time and now what do you think of this today . I dont think anything thats happened in the last eight years on the fox network proved me wrong, chuck. I think this is this is very different. We didnt say the entire news media. We had an issue with one news network that, throughout the campaign, and then throughout the early parts of the presidency, was actually creating news and was was behaving in a way that i think subsequently events showed really was more like a political opponent in a politburo kind of thing. You notice the president elect, by the way, actually named fox as a place that gave him good coverage recently. He did it in the interview last night and does it all the time. Gee, what a coincidence. Let me make a broader point. This is not a new tactic for republicans. 1968. Richard nixon. Spiro agnew. The systemic delegitimization of News Coverage on the part of a president happened before. It happened under the nixon administration. I wonder this. Let me ask you about the bubble effect. I have always wondered about the bubble effect on a president , on a campaign, which is you are surrounded by people who tell you all the time how great are you are. You are doing great. If you didnt do so hot, you may be able to do that better but you nailed x. You think that, then, warps the view of press coverage from the prism of the west wing . You know funny you mention that, chuck. One of the first pieces of advice i give candidates, i have done this consistently, is to tell them not to read their own clips. Not to watch cable. Dont read the newspapers. Dont read your own clips. If you need to know something, let the staff tell you about it. Because candidates can get obsessed with thisind of thing very easily. Part of it is because candates are human beings. They want reporters to like them, okay. They want reporters to say, yes, that was a great speech. When they read negative stuff they spend a huge amount of time obsessing about it. I they we see it at a new level with this president but its no the a new syndrome. I think part of this is the president s vanity, his need for respect, his insecurity. But i think there is something more to it than that, which is that he is a populist. The central conceit of populism is i speak for the people. Right. Damn you anybody who tries to get in between me and the people. The crowd is huge. The applause is great and i really won the popular vote if you counted correctly. If you question those elements, youre questioning the central theory of populism, which is what he stands for. Why does he choose the media as a foil . His polling isnt great. The medias is worse. The media is not trusted. If you are steve bannon and you want to make this point, what better foil to choose. Here is the other thing. We dont fight back. Mmhmm. I dont have a political consultant that i hire. Hey, we got a communications problem. Can you spin this . We dont do that. We are not actors in this. You also take the bait every time. Okay. Amy is agreeing with me. You take the bait. Because the reality is that, who cares what steve bannon says at the end of the day. Who cares what he says, because theyre making a lot of news that will have longterm policy consequences. When the farmers in nebraska cannot export goods to mexico, when prices at walmart start going up dramatically and the wages havent caught up with the prices because the policy effects, as amyd. Thats thats why we led with policy, not steve bannon, becausthere is a reason there. All right. Stick with us. Still ahead, north korea defiant, unpredictable and in possession of Nuclear Weapons. 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So pay less and get more only at hilton. Com. Welcome back. Could the first major test for trump come from noorbg. The regime developing Ballistic Missiles that could reach north america and making it clear theyre not afraid to use them. A north korean official saying a test of a longrange missile could happen any day. Translator last years joint military exercises convinced us that we should match the u. S. Nuclear weapons with our own nukes and match the u. S. Icbm with our own missile. If you remember, north korea tested a Nuclear Device soon after president barack obama took office. Recently i talked to the outdoing defense secretary, ash carter about how the u. S. Would respond if north korea carries through with its threat. Is it policy now that, if they test an intermediate range ballistic missile, the United States would shoot it down . If it were threatening to us, yes. If its predicted impact or one of our friends or allies, yes, we would shoot it down. North korea is notoriously unpredictable. A north korean diplomat who defected last summer warns things are getting worse saying yesterday the traditional structures of the north korean system are crumbling. Joining me now me chris hill. Long time, no chat. Good to see you. Good to see you. Let me start with the threat here of north korea. I assume, knowing their history, you think its when not if they decide to test this president. Thats right. I think theyre doing more than testing a president. Theyre testing Ballistic Missiles. And they could be testing a weapons design. Its one thing to explode a Nuclear Device. Its another thing to explode a device that has been put into a design that can be replicated. And they say they have the latter. We dont know that. But what we do know, in the next few years, i hope not less than that, but certainly in the next few years and probably in the next four years, donald trump will be faced with a nuclear north korea, that is, a north korea that has a deliverable nuclear weapon. This talk from the defector. I was watching the more news this defector is making out the serious ituation in rth kor. How does the north korean regime hear that . Does it become almost like a challenge or a threat to disprove . They certainly listen to these defectors. They really go after them, they go after anybody who has ever had any association with them. If you are a defector and left north korea there is a considerable amount of trauma. Often they say things that we may want to hear, but its not sure, really, whether theyre true. In his case, to talk about the crumbling of the state structure there, i hope its true, but i am not convinced of it yet. It seems kim jong un, hideous has he has been, is very much in charge there. And i dont think we have any reason to hope, at least in the short run, that its all going to be taken care of. So what is the right policy now to check north korea . There was a time candidate donald trump basically implied this needs to be chinas problem. He is not the first to say that. I mean, there is a lot president obama, in different ways saying, hey, isnt this your client state . You need to take care of it. China sort of sometimes admits its a client state and sometimes wants to wash its hands of north korea. What is at this point if you are advising President Trump, whats your advice . Well, first of all, i mean, i would love it if we could outsource it to china and say, china, you created this mess, you fix it. But its not going to happen. China has a lot of things going , and certainly they are not quite prepared for the complete demise of north korea, the emergence of south korea as a successor state, the potential that you could have u. S. Troops on the border, potential that the u. S. Could use northern korea as some kind of listening post. Overall, the impression that china would have lost strategically to the United States. I dont think theyre there yet. And i am not sure theyll ever be there unless were prepared to really have serious discussions with them, go deep with them. And most importantly, like everything in life, youve got to set some priorities. And to some extent we have not done that with north korea. With china with respect to north korea. We worried about their trade surpluses, are we worried about the south china seas, tibet, what are we worried about with china . I think we have so set priorities with them and then try to do a deep dive. The situation is pretty tough. A lot of nationalism in china. The Chinese Government is not handling things well internally. They also have been pretty belligerent on the south china sea. So we have some issues. Then i think trying to put the onechina policy back on the table, i dont think thats a dog thats going to hunt. Let me go back, though, to north korea and ask you this sort of fundamental question. When we took out the iraqis when they tried to start a nuke we knew they were going to try to start a Nuclear Weapons program. Got to it early. How did how did this get this far with north korea . Well, its been going on for a long time. It didnt just start when george w. Bush called them a member of the axis of evil and somehow hurt their feelings. Theyve been working on this since the 1980s. The problem is there are no good options. We do need china as part of the solution. They cant do it all but they certainly need to be part of the solution. I think that was important for us to do. At the same time, if you look at a map and look a where seoul is, the population centers, where north korean artillery is, to go for some kind of kinetic solution invites the potential of war. So i think, understandably, people have tried to kick the can down the road, the Obama Administration talked about patience or even, better yet, they talked about strategic patience. Well, clearly thats not something that youll find in the lexicon of the current president. So it will be interesting, to put it mildly, in the next four years. Thats for sure. As we put on the banner there, we know secretary mattis will be in south korea during his first maiden trip as defense secretary. Ambassador chris hill. Always a pleasure. Why i am obsessed with fragile freedom when it comes to two american institutions. Stay tuned. Welcome back. Tonight i am obsessed with where we are less than one week into the trump presidency. Were in a cull de sac. A pre and fair vote and a free and respected press. Donald trump is president of the United States. When he insists there is widespread voter fraud and 3 to 5 Million People voted illegally and says he knows they all voted for clinton and says this not only in the absence of evidence but in the spite of universal conclusion that there was no fraud. When he says that he undermines confidence in our democracy. It may not be his intention but a lot of people will believe everything he is saying about this. That is not good. Then the president s assault on the press. Calling reporters the most dishonest people on earth. Insists they laid about his inauguration turnout. The viewer speech. Encouraged by steve bannon calling the media the opposition party, that it should keep its mouth shut and listen for a while. Not exactly First Amendment stuff. Look, i know this is feelgood stuff. Not naive. I know its a political tactic, designed to spurxcitement among a small group of folks. But this is not a campaign anymore. As president mr. Trumps words have outsize impact not just in the u. S. But around the globe. We in the media are guilty of chasing shiny metal observes rather than telling stories of what matters to voters. We didnt have a good handle of what a lot of People Living away from big metro areas were thinking but its not an excuse for somehow disbanding two basic premises when it comes to the media, the press and democracy. We are all custodians of our freedoms. Lets not throw it away over an argument about vanity. When youve been making delicious natural cheese for over 100 years like kraft has, you learn a lot about what people want. Honey, do we have like a super creamy cheese with taco spice already in it . Oh, thanks. Bon appecheese okay. Time now for the lid. Panelists back. Amy, anita and ramesh. We didnt get to the president on the issue of water boarding. Let me play a sound from his interview on abc last night. Would i feel strongly about water boarding . We have to fight fire with fire. I have spoken as recently as 24 hours ago with people at the highest level of intelligence. I asked them the question. Does it work . Does torture work . And the answer was yes. Absolutely. I will say this. I will rely on pompeo and mattis and my group. If they dont want to do it, thats fine. If they do want to do then ill work toward that end. I want to do everything within the bounds of what you are allowed to do legally. But do i feel it works . Absolutely i feel it works. So its the convention of using phrase torture. Something that dik chainy didnt believe it was torture. This is out right saying torture. How is it going to get heard around the world . While he was campaigning he talking about killing innocent family members of people were at war with. This is not new for him. This basic attitude towards human rights. I do think at least to small blessing department the fact he talking about obeying the law, the law does not prohibit water boarding. They mcconnell, director of the cia made it clear he going to follow the law. Torture is not legal. Theresa may said we did not get involved in that. We do not sanction torture. Its going to have an impact around the world. It will. Its time like this that youre saying thank god for mccain whose voice adds a level of creditability to any discussion. Think about how much theres to unpack the president s statement. Just the part about obey the law, it assumes news worthy of itself. He talked about violating the law in this area. People do hear this, what have americans done. People in the military, people i know who come from military background, when they heard during the campaign this idea he was going to kill or torture the family members of suspected terrorists, they were horrorfide. Lets remember what he channelling. He it was. To terrorists at home. To terrorists that dont, youre at a group of people that dont provided by geneva convention. He seeps to be influenced by who he last spoken to. Right. Previously he had spoken to gem general mattis. I think he starts with an inclination that the methods which are considered to be torture are useful, they work, that should be end of the debate. He can be influenced by the other side and across the board. Whats his greatest strength is no is never no with him. You can talk him out of no which you can argue you want that in a president to a point. I think you are exceptionally good in finding that lining. He has been clear with ebb everybody, he a deal maker. His no is never a no until it becomes a no. With president s you would like that point to be arrived at after deep reflection or maybe some reading. You brought up john mccain, you create fishers in your party over this. This becomes problematic. You see members of congress, this is going to be constandpoint for them trying to focus on the stuff they want to get done and department dont want to be spending timen this. 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