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Still hanging over the nation after a series of violence rocked this country. Thousands of protesters marching throughout the country across the u. S. Hundreds were arrested and detained as they decried police tactics. Protests continuing today. Tension still boiling over after a gunman killed five Police Officers and wounded nine others. President obama returned early from spain late last night so that he can attend the Memorial Service for those slain officers to take place tomorrow. He will make remarks there. Hell also be joined by former president george w. Bush and Vice President joe biden. Back in dallas, investigators found three firearms at the scene of the shootings. In addition to the sks Assault Rifle already at that scene, two semiautomatic pistols have been recovered. Law enforcement found a. 22 rifle and a pound of binary explosives, as they are described. Typically the ones used for bomb making at the gunmans home. The parents of the gunman, Micah Johnson, expressed their sadness in an exclusive interview with the blaze. I dont know what to say to anybody to make anything better. I didnt see it coming. He was a good son. He was a good son. I love my son with all my heart. I hate what he did. That is the father of Micah Johnson there in texas. Well have more on the latest in the fallout from that ambush in dallas. Right now, we have brandnew video just in to us. Nbcs lester holt just sitting down with Vice President joe biden in the wake of the violence in dallas. We want to direct you now to that interview. Mr. Vice president , thank you for being with us. You had meetings with Law Enforcement today. Youll be chairing more meetings with Law Enforcement and activists, politicians. Are we still trying to grapple and define what the issue is, or can we move on to the solutions phase, and what are they . I think we can move on to solutions. The issue everyone agreed with is theres a great deal of anxiety and fear. Fear on the part of Police Officers that they become targets and fear on the part of some of the communities that they are, in fact, targets of the police. And the truth of the matter is the vast majority of the police, the overwhelming majority of police apply the law accurately and fairly. And most of the people in the community are just want they want to be seen. You know, theres an expression that commissioner bratton in new york said. He told me about. He said there was an woman activist when he was commissioner in l. A. And she said theres a greeting the masai tribe in africa has when they see someone. Its we see you. I see you. The problem is, were not seeing each other because theres been a cut in the funding for local Law Enforcement. Community policing is a highly intense, resource intense undertaking. Whats not happens what happened in the 90s is you dont have Police Officers out of the car knowing who runs the local grocery stoerks showing up at the boys and girls club and talking to and make sure they give their cell phone number to the lady who lives on the corner who can call and say if theres a drug deal going down but please dont mention my name. Theres much less interaction. What happens is that Woman Police Officer sitting in the squad car in a tough neighborhood, they dont know shes the mother of three kids and coaches basketball and is a good person and conversely, the cuds kids on the corner dont know this kid may be a poet instead of a gangbanger. Theres a need to be more Community Policing and interaction and these Police Organizations ask for some help. They said we need help and more money from training. We need help in providing training on deescalation. Were sitting down with a concrete agenda of things we can do that can open up the avenues of communication between the black community primarily and the Police Departments and i think they are ready to do it. And i think the community is. I think most people at the end of last week felt theyd been kicked in the gut. It was an awful week. The president said that america is not as divided as many people might suggest. Yet here you have communities that feel openly saying were not getting any support. That sounds pretty the sense that at this moment in time, nobody seems to be talking to one another. In terms of police in the communities. Number two, were in a situation, lester its more perception than it is reality. Violent crime is down and its still way down. For example, in dallas, texas, in 2009, there were 147 complaints of excessive force. There were 53 in 2014. And there were went from 74 house arrests to 68,000 arrests. Because that department put in place a whole series of training mechanisms where theres more irn interaction with the community and deescalating. Thats what the Police Officers we met with today in part were asking for. You talk about perception. Does that suggest something thats not necessarily there . No, no. Its there. Its real. Theres institutional racism that exists throughout our society. Weve gotten better but we still have a long way to go. But the truth of the matter is as a practical matter, it is getting it is getting incrementally better. But the truth is thats not good enough. We have to keep pushing. We have to keep pushing, and we have to fund these efforts that will allow the communities to interact with the police n tande police with the communities. The population has gone up about 17 , and funding for police has gone up 13 . Theres an increasing gap between what they need to be able to be in the neighborhoods and totally constructive way and the resources made available. When you saw the video of a man being shot as hes held on the ground, the video of a man dying after hes been shot in his car, was your reaction, oh, this is terrible, or, oh, this is terrible and here we go again . My reaction was, first of all, what how did this happen in the first place . What happened to get to this place . You didnt see it through a racial lens . Thats how i viewed it, i must admit. I saw and, wait a minute. Heres an africanamerican on the ground. Department know a homeless person had called in and said theres a homes man standing outside the store selling discs, which he had done for years. And so the Police Showed up. And because theres this heightened tension across the board you have this guy thinking, im going to be victimized, which it turned out he might have been. And then the other side of the equation, this guy has a gun. Whats going to happen here . This is the stuff weve got to work our way through and let the facts come out. And determine what exactly happened and respond. The police i met with today said, look. We have bad apples. We understand that. Every profession has bad apples. But the vast majority of the Police Officers are, in fact, acting fairly. But conversely, as an africanamerican, you know that you are more likely to be pulled over for a traffic stop than a caucasian american. You know the circumstances exist out there. And its still real. Its as real in jobs, its in housing. It continues, but its less and less, but it continues and when you see Something Like that, lester, you and im not being critical of the media, you replay it 5,000 times. And thats understandable. But imagine what would happen in days when you and i were younger where these kinds of things happened in the 60s and 70s and 80s and had been played that much . It just heightens everything. Nothing happens that the American Public doesnt see almost immediately. That can be good. But can also be, you know, it adds to the tension. Donald trump said today hes a law and order candidate and a compassion candidate. Youre part of an administration thats about to come to the end of your term. Are you disappointed that the Obama Administration has not been able to effect more change, that so much of this has come off the rails here in the last part of your term . Well, the truth is, theres been enormous amount of change. Like i said, crime is at the lowest level its been in years and years and years. Were in a situation where we have a circumstance that, for example, during the bush this is not im not criticizing president bush. During the bush administration, an average of 160some Police Officers killed every year. In our administration, its 137 per year. Thats not counting 9 11 in the bush administration. Yet the perception is being sold by whomever is, my god, things are so much worse than they were eight years ago. Its simply not true. But the perception is understandably aggravated by the media not the media, by social media that replays this stuff 10, 20, 30, 40, 50,000 times. And it is just even one of the people anyway, ive said enough on that. But the bottom line is that were going to continue to work as hard as we can until the last day to be able to deal with the remaining issues that affect the perception and reality of how police act in communities and how the communities react to the police. Final question. Let me turn subjects. Both candidates are looking for Vice President ial picks. Would you recommend a regional approach or someone you can get along with . I think the most important thing from my experience being Vice President is have a president pick someone they trust completely, they actually like and they know will have their back and can take over a big chunk of what they have to do because theres so much that falls on a president s desk these days. Its hard to do it yourself without being able to delegate some portion of it and not have to follow up. Just delegate. And that sums up my last question. Relationship is most important. If Hillary Clinton were to come to you and say, stay on youre laughing. I take it thats a no . Well, that is not my preferred route. Would you consider it . I have Great Respect for hillary. Im going to work like the devil for her, but im not looking to be Vice President again, and no one has talked to me. Vice president biden, always a pleasure to speak to you, sir. Thank you. Thank you so much. That was lester holts interview with Vice President biden. The mayors recommending their releases on Police Community relations after the violence in ferguson, missouri. Republican mayor mitt cornet is the president of the u. S. Conference of mayors. Democratic mayor Mitch Landrieu of new orleans is the Vice President. Both are joining us from their respective cities today. Mr. Mayors, we appreciate your being with us right now. Mayors in this country are on the ground floor of the Community Policing efforts. You work closely with your Police Chiefs and local Law Enforcement. What right now is working . What changes have we witnessed that are taking place in the last year that are succeeding that could be emphasized in other communities . I think first of all, a reminder that your police need to be out in the community and all the positive ways we know are helpful. They need to be part of all the community. And i think in times of a tragedy or in times of conflict, you arent going to be able to start over and establish a relationship. And i think another area that were showing some improvement on is being able to hire minorities into our police department. Its extremely important that we bring in bilingual Police Officers and that we encourage africanamericans to apply to join Police Forces. These are wonderful careers for people. We need more minorities to sign up to enter pledge classes. Talk about the challenges for all these efforts, the desires, the recommendation for recommendations for change. Theres still Serious Problems that exist in communities as the police chief in dallas said during his News Conference today. A starting Police Chiefs salary is Something Like 44,000 in his community. What is, or what are the Biggest Challenges . The biggest obstacles . I think the Vice President did a good job really identifying the problem. This has been a really, really tough weekend for the United States of america. Were in a very important moment. And its really important for the wellers in america to be disciplined, focus and professional about how we respond. The first thing id like to say is that this is not just a local issue. Although the mayors and the Police Chiefs are the generals that are on the ground, as Vice President biden said, weve been partners with the federal government and the funding for homeland security, the funding for police and training and technology has been cut dramatically. We need to reinvigorate that relationship in a very important way so that we can actually do what mitt said. Ill listen to the chief in dallas talk about this today. Police have to know that community. They have to be in touch with that community. It cant be something that just occurs when a terrible incident happens. That relationship has to be bltblt built. Thats the pathway forward for all of us in the next several weeks. In the next several months, americans will make a very well, a series of decisions to make. Certainly about the president. Two Different Directions they can go, either donald trump or Hillary Clinton with vastly different positions on this issue and the way theyve handled their response to recent violence. Donald trump spoke about policing a short time ago. I want to play some of that for you. Politicians and activists who seek to remove police or policing from a community are hurting the poorest and most vulnerable americans. We must maintain law and order at the highest level or we will cease to have a country. I am the law and order candid e candidate. Thats donald trump today saying that he is the law and order candidate. Over the weekend, he hit president obama and Hillary Clinton blaming them for, as he described it, their weak leadership for creating the climate that has created this situation. He said we are much more divided than the president suggests we are. We are a divided nation. So what do you make of that type of rhetoric as he suggests these huge divisions exist as opposed to what would seemingly be an effort to bring people together. The synergy between what were seeing in the Police Issues of the last week and the president ial campaign is its an issue of trust. Can you trust the Police Officers in your community to do the right thing . As a voter can we trust donald trump . Is the way donald trump has handled recent violence, is that language trustworthy as you know well as in effect the ceo of your community, theres a lot that lies on every word that you communicate. Well, what we as mayors have not heard from donald trump directly on a lot of these issues. I was so anxious to hear what he said on these matters. We need to hear a lot more before we draw a conclusion. When voters go to the polls, i think trust will be a key issue. Which candidate do you trust Going Forward . And not just on this issue but all the other issues that rely on the president s shoulders . Mayor landrieu, former Philadelphia Police commissioner Charles Ramsey said the number of Police Forces should be dialed back. Is that the key to more effective Police Community relations, or will centralizing the police training, you know, will forces lose ties and strength within the communities they protect . I know chief ramsey. Hes a great chief. On the issue, it all gets to the same thing. There should be no distance between the police and community. If you listen to the police chief in dallas, he has a personal experience with his son being in an altercation with the police when his son was younger. And so in the communities, when all of these candidates are talking. Its a national issue. Not a local issue. Secondly, every word does matter. The point mick and i and mayors across america are making is that were on the front lines and in the commune ut. The community and police have to be one. All of the strategies that we implement have to get us to that point. If the pole are afraid of the community, are the communities ark trade of the pleerks its n police, its not going to get done. On the ground, where its complicated and really matters, you have to do all of them at the same time. Thats the message the mayors of america are sending to both of these candidates. Mayors landrieu and cornett, thanks for being with us. Youre welcome. Joining me is congressman g. K. Butterfield of north carolina, chairman of the Congressional Black Caucus joining us now. Thanks for your time. You said that if Congress Fails to act on gun violence it will be a long, hot summer. I want to play for you what the Dallas Police chief david brown said today. I was asked, whats your opinion about guns . Ask the policymakers to do something and then ill give you an opinion. Put a law out there n ill give you an opinion. To have me do that job, ill pass on that. Get in that debate and get swallowed up by both sides who are entrenched in their positions . I want no part of that. Do the job. Are you hearing, congressman, are you hearing similar frustrations from Law Enforcement officers that there has not been legislative action on gun regulations, gun reforms . Were hearing frustration not only from the Law Enforcement community but from africanamerican communities and other communities all across the country. Its pouring in every day. And the American People want action on gun violence. They are demanding that we as members of Congress Legislate to make sure that those who are not capable of flying an airplane because they are on a nofly well, thats theyre disqualified from owning a weapon. 90 of the American People beli teve thre should be background checks before you can purchase a firearm. The American People are speaking very loudly. We need a hearing here in the congress or in gun violence and we need legislative action and we need it now. As the Vice President said, anxiety and fear is gripping the nation and weve got to have a legislative response and it must be now. Let me hone in on that. Speaker paul ryan called for unity in the house. It wasnt long before texas congressman Roger Williams said that the spread of misinformation and constant instigation by prominant leaders including our president have contributed to the modern day hostility were witnessing between the police and those they serve. What is your response to Roger Williams, to this assertion that president obama instigated the hostility that led to the fatal shootings of police . The statistics are clear. Of all of the unarmed men shot and killed by police in this country, at least last year, 40 of them were africanamerican. Even though black men make up just 6 of the nations population. And so the data is clear. Africanamericans are 2 1 2 times more likely to be killed by police than other americans. We Must Immediately stop what were doing in congress and appropriate money for Law Enforcement agencies across the country to train and retrain their officers and separate the good ones from the bad ones and get to the concept of Community Policing, thereby creating this bond of trust between the community and Law Enforcement. Until we do that, were going to continue to have unrest in our communities, and we need to we are better than that. We can move on and solve this problem. Congressman g. K. Butterfield chairs the Congressional Black Caucus and is joining us. Thank you for your time. We appreciate it. Thank you. Senator tim kaine is our guest next after the break. We hope youll keep it here on meet the press daily. Take on any road with intuitive allwheel drive. The nissan rogue, murano and pathfinder. Now get 0 apr for up to 72 months, plus 500 bonus cash. In his First Campaign event since last weeks tragedy in dallas, donald trump today called himself the law and order candidate and the candidate of compassion. His speech was mostly focused on veterans issues, but he took the opportunity to go after secretary Hillary Clinton again calling into question her trustworthiness. Hillary clinton on the other hand is weak, ineffective, pandering and as proven by her recent email scandal, which was an embarrassment, not only to her, but to the entire nation as a whole, shes either a liar or grossly incompetent. One or the other. Very simple. Personally, its probably both. Trump was joined by new jersey governor Chris Christie, one of the frontrunners to be trumps running mate. Well talk republican vp sweepstakes later this hour. Up next, the man who many say might join Hillary Clinton as her running mate, virginia senator tim kaine will join us just one minute away. Americans are buying more and more of everything online. 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You know the veteran community well, as a senator from virginia, a large military community. He highlighted some of the scandals at the v. A. Around how vets have been treated. Theres been uproar over long wait times, even patients dying waiting for care. How would a Clinton Administration better handle this issue than donald trump who, along other things, suggests privatizing it, but certainly reforming it. Yeah, you put your finger on it. Virginia is the most military state in the nation between our active duty, guard reserve, veteran military family, dod contractors. And so lets talk about trump and lets talk about secretary clinton. Donald trump is a guy who has called for privatization of the v. A. That is something that is overwhelmingly rejected by americas veterans. They do not want to go down that path. Do they want improvement . Sure they do. But they dont risky or radical privatization schemes of the kind donald trump has called for. Youre right. There has been bipartisan concern about lengthy wait times. Both for medical appointments and also veterans trying to get their benefit determinations ruled on promptly by the v. A. Weve got to hold the leadership accountable. And we have to end the foolish budget sequester thats been pushed by the Republican Party to make sure that were funding the v. A. So that the promises we make to the veterans, theres funding to back those up. All these things are ultimately binary. N secretary clinton has one of the lowest favorable ratings of a presumptive nominee in history. Ranks below donald trump in terms of trustworthiness. Trump wouent after her again. I want to get your sforesponse that. Crooked Hillary Clinton is the secretary of the status quo. And wherever Hillary Clinton goes, corruption and scandal follow. Just look at her life. Our country needs change, and she will never give us change. Never, ever, ever. Senator kaine, is the cake baked on this . Can Hillary Clinton in the limited time left before fall, can she change that trust deficit that she has right now with americans . Look, donald trump will make up anything he wants to make up. And as a guy who is talking about trustworthiness, this is the only american president ial candidate in recent memory who refuses to show the American Public his tax returns . Let me talk about donald trump and the military compared to Hillary Clinton. Donald trump wants to be commander in chief. He has repeatedly said over and over again the American Military is a disaster. Theres 1. 6 million young men n women who volunteer in a time of war to serve in this military. We ought to be proud of them. They deserve a commander in chief who will talk about them with respect and gratitude, not contempt and disrespect. Donald trump even made fun of senator john mccain because he was a p. O. W. Is that what we want as a commander in chief . Is that the kind of change donald trump is talking about to have a commander in chief who disrespects troops, who disrespects p. O. W. S, who breaks promises to veterans groups, brags about the money hes giving to them charitably and it turns out that thats false. The donald trump version of change is a version of change this nation does not want. Senator, let me ask you about some news to be made tomorrow. Hillary Clinton Campaigning for the first time with Bernie Sanders. Has she caved too much to senator sanders on issues like health care, free Public Education, minimum wage . Has she gone too far to the left . Peter, let me tell you what tomorrow represents. It represents the democrats are coming together to support secretary clinton, help her win and beat donald trump. Look whats going on on the republican side. People who were listed as on the short list for Vice President are rushing to the microphone to declare that theyre no longer interested in the position. So what we see in the two sides is a very different scenario. Democrats are coming together around our candidate and to win in november. Republicans are jumping ship because they do not believe that donald trump has the stuff to be a commander in chief or president. Senator kaine, you accepted more than 160,000 in gifts while serving as governor n Lieutenant Governor in the state of virginia. The gifts were legal, of course, under virginia law. But if you were to join a clinton ticket, would the gifts play into this narrative of the clintons and their friends playing by what is in effect a different set of rules . Peter, youre right about 10 to 15 years ago when i did the state disclosures, i did disclose. But ive got to correct you on a fact. It was not all gifts. Threequarters of the disclosure was workrelated travel. For example, when a governor travels to do george mason and other things, i understand. When you travel to do an Economic Development trade mission, it gets paid by the virginia Economic Development partnership. When you travel to campaign for candidates, which all governors do, taxpayers shouldnt pay those travel expenses. And so my own pac paid them, or the Obama Campaign reimbursed me for travel in 2008. Threequarters of the amount was workrelated travel of the kind that other governors do. It is the case that a quarter of the amounts were gifts given to my office. I reported everything i was given, even if i didnt keep. I did not keep the vast majority of it. But the key was disclose aesure no one has ever raised a concern that someone who contributed, whether a campaign or gift give eever got anything for it. At the end of the day, do you and your wife have conversations about what it might be like to be Vice President . You know, i mean, its interesting. I was speculated about eight years ago. And its nice to be speculated about. Im not going to pretend otherwise. What does your wife think . In my gut, eight years ago, i didnt think it was going to go that direction. I got to say my gut right now, i feel like im going to stay in the senate and continue to battle on Armed Services and budget relations thats make me a happy senator every day. Speculation is fine but oouf it a job to do. For the hillary campaign, the best thing i can do is help her win in virginia. Im looking forward to campaigning for her. The two of you will be together this thursday in virginia. Tim kaine, we appreciate your time. Thank you. Still ahead, the democrats next big play to snag senate control. An exsenator comes out of retirement for our race of the day. You buy stuff from that airline. Wait. Is this where you typically shop . You should be getting double miles on every purchase switch. To the capital one venture card. With venture, you earn unlimited double miles on every purchase, everywhere, every day. Not just. dismissively airline purchases. Seriously. 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For the moment, right to nbcs katy tur who has new information on who might be trumps vp. This is in effect decision week. Yeah, and hes narrowed it down to four choices. We know that among those choices are newt gingrich, the former house speaker, as well as indiana governor mike pence. There is also speculation and sources telling us that it could also be new jersey governor Chris Christie, or potentially general mike flynn or even a couple of other names that are out there. Chris christie was here in Virginia Beach with donald trump today giving his onstage tryout. That went over about as well as any of the onstage tryouts have gone. Hes been Donald Trumps attack dog. He continued that today. Tomorrow, peter, were going to see governor mike pence out in indiana do his version of that. Well find out by friday. Thats what donald trump says, by friday, who his pick is. We wait and see. May not be that many hours from now. Thank you. Time for the lid. Joining me is deputy Editorial Page Editor and columnist extraordinaire ruth marcus. And senior political report rep eric bacon jr. Ruth, on donald trump, this morning when you talked to Chris Cillizza there were five people on the list. By afternoon, down to four. Waiting for that countdown clock. Nobody who is enjoying this process more than donald trump right now just throwing out tea leaves left and right as he makes his decision. How important is it what he does with this vp choice . The normal thing to say is that a a vp choice really since john f. Kennedy chose Lyndon Johnson hasnt really made a difference. Its a little more important for donald trump than it is for your average president ial nominee because it will be a signal to other people in the party and to voters about his seriousness and his readiness for office. So it matters, but really, what matters mostly is the top of the ticket. Mike flynn, the retired Army Veteran Lieutenant general mike flynn had his big moment, he was on the sunday show and he said he was prochoice as a democrat. Today, 24 hours later, of course, he said im actually very prolife. Donald trump people change their minds. Thats a quick evolution. Donald trump has his own issues on abortion but is focused more on a political person than a military person for now. Does it need to be a political person for it to work . It is so hard to game this out because normally, you talk about balancing people from different wings of the party. Trump is such an unusual candidate. He didnt come from one of the established wings of the party. Didnt come from the party at all. Its very hard to figure out what the strategic thing for him to do is. You would think that what he would want is to project some kind of reassuring sense to the public that hes going to have a good team, that they are all going to know what theyre doing but this is all in keeping with the line that he should try to be more president ial and he basically hasnt followed that strategy. Perry, this week donald trump just today saying hes the law and order candidate. This has been something thats been tried before for a lot of americans, it may resonate. Some of his other language may be viewed as divisive, the comments hes had about the wall with mexico, about muslims and about the retweeting or tweeting, we should say, of a star that some people viewed as antisemetic and can donald trump sell this line as the law and order candidate and be one that people can embrace . Hes been the antiblack lives matter candidate. In december he said any person who kills Police Officers should get the death penalty. So i think this is where hes going in a kind of blue collar voters hes trying to appeal to. He needs to broaden that, obviously. That movement is massive right now. Thats what strange about this vp list. Key question here is, gingrich was speaker of the house. There you get a lot of governing experience. Mike pence was leader in the house, within the leadership of the house and christie was a governor. It will be a key choice to determine if he wants a washington insider or someone more outside like christie and somebody like trump. Speaking of vp selections, Hillary Clinton still has her choice to make as well. Likely she will piggyback on the Republican Convention and do as soon as they end, she will come out with her own to steal become the spotlight. Maybe even before. Of course, in this season. She tomorrow will make a lot of news obviously when she and Bernie Sanders finally share the stage for the first time. I asked tim kaine about this a little earlier. Has she gone too far left in following Bernie Sanders on a variety of issues from free education, free Public Education to minimum wage in a way that may haunt her toward the general . Its going to haunt her a little bit and republicans will try to paint her as having lurched left because one never just goes to the left. You have to lurch left. But i think that the Clinton Campaign is actually they argue that they have not taken any positions in wooing bern u youie sanders voters that will hurt hem in the general election. Maybe with an ordinary republican candidate, antitrade message might have hurt them but as we have been discussing, this is not an ordinary year. Her opposition to tpp doesnt have the impact that it might have running against a more run of the mill republican. What are you watching for as you watch the democrats and their Decision Making . Any of these folks haunt them . Well, they are having their tryouts too, just as the republicans are. We saw a little bit of tryout by senator tim kaine earlier in the show. Is he mean enough . To be the attack dog on the ticket . I dont think you are going to outmean donald trump as a Winning Strategy for the democrats this year. I think you can effectively deliver your opposition lines and i think he will be able to do that. Does it need to be a progressive . Does Hillary Clinton need to pick up a progressive on that ticket to satisfy that part of her base right now . I would argue she doesnt. The rallying cry will be donald trump and Chris Christie or whoever is the Vice President ial nominee. Its a really important choice. The difference between tim kaine, a moderate centrist, and Elizabeth Warren, two women would be on the ticket at the same time, its a huge choice and huge difference for the voters if you get tim kaine versus senator booker or senator warren. What will we hear from these two tomorrow . Tomorrow will be really interesting to watch. Both the words and the body language. Because its been very very difficult, you may have noticed, for senator sanders to bring himself to this moment. Its taken him a lot longer than it took senator clinton eight years ago. So he has talked about the importance of not electing donald trump. This will be the first time if we hear it that he will talk about something positive like electing Hillary Clinton, despite the differences that remain between them. Thats the real challenge. You have seen the energy when Elizabeth Warren stood with Hillary Clinton. The question is what happens when the two of them are side by side . It took Bernie Sanders 35 days to come around to Hillary Clinton with the endorsement. For, eight years ago, it was four days for barack obama to have Hillary Clinton come by his side. I think what he will say is the democratic platform is more liberal than ever. He has gotten these hes pocketed victories. Its not a surprise hes endorsing after he got these wins. I think he will brag about his wins along the way. Clinton in 08 knew she would run for president today. He knows hes not. I dont think were looking for chemistry between the two of these guys. I dont think Bernie Sanders is auditioning for vp. Just got to say enough to convince his folks that yes, they dont want to elect donald trump. Lets get back on the campaign trail with Elizabeth Warren. Even joe biden with lester holt earlier wouldnt rule himself out as a possible vp choice. Kind of at the end he did. It was interesting. Thank you guys very much. Take on any road with intuitive allwheel drive. The nissan rogue, murano and pathfinder. Now get 0 apr for up to 72 months, plus 500 bonus cash. Iive been a republican to my all my life. I get party loyalty. But theres loyalty to your country. And the things donald trump says. About immigrants and women. Veterans. I mean, how can we put up with that . How can republican members of congress support that . 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Hundreds of delegates are in town already for the sometimes arcane and sometimes very Important Committee meetings that kicked off earlier today. Just behind me is the quicken loans arena. Thats where the delegates are expected to make donald j. Trump their official nominee for president next week. This week, the nations attention understandably is still mostly focused elsewhere. It was a weekend of more conflict between protesters and Police Officers all across the country. On friday, there were calls for unity f