And now, comes the obama president ial memory, a look back at back at what happened and a road map for what lies ahead. You want you to remember what this country can be. You cant just imagine a better future. You cant just wish for it. You got to fight for it. And after a devise ig foive year, why he sees a better tomorrow . If i remain hopeful, its because i place my faith in my fellow citizens. Tonight, a Promised Land, a conversation with barack obama from the Lincoln Theater in washington, d. C. Here now is jonathan capphart. We are in the heart of what was felonious noun adds black broadway here in washington, a place where during segregation, black culture drived on this stage where duke ellington, pearl bailey and ella fitzgerald. This is a place where Franklin Roosevelt would gather friends and family for birthday celebrations. Tonight, were here for a different moment of president ial history. For the hour, im pleased to welcome president barack obama whose much anticipated new memior, a Promised Land, is available to readers. Tonight we want to take the Lessons Learned by president obama and apply them to all the work that still needs to happen to protect and defend democracy in the united states. Were also joined by stage tonight by members of my brothers keeper, the foundation he started more than six years ago to help men of chlorophyolol their potential. I am looking forward to the conversation we will have with these men in a few minutes. But we meet just two weeks after a historic president ial victory. President elect joe biden received the most voting ever for president. 79 million votes andnting but some in the republican party, led by president trump, are refusing to accept his win, and then there is a victory of senator Kamala Harris as Vice President , the first women, the first black american and the first Indian American elected to the post. There is hope in these results but they also reveal the ur jge work ahead. And i am honored to say welcome, mr. President. Thanks for having he. How are mrs. Obama, malia, and sasha. I understand you have been under one roof, your daughters are remote learning. How sit working out . Its work out for michelle and me. We get to see them every night for dinner. And you know, we love spending time with them. Now, whether they feel the same way is debatable. But they have been wonderful. Like i think a lot of families who are lucky enough to be together and not suffer from some of the stresses that a lot of people are suffering from, losing jobs or having to figure out daycare issues and so forth. You know, the first couple months, we had game nights and we do all kinds of stuff. You know, i think everybodys feeling a little worn down and cooped up and getting cabin fever. But we know that were blessed not to have some of the strains and stresses that some folks have including our Health Care Workers and the girls have responded magnificently. So its been nice to have them home. Lets talk about some news of the day, mr. President. President trump and his allies and the states are doing everything they can it seems to overturn the will of the people. Late ens night, wayne county filed affidavits to reverse their vote. I heard the word coup used. Is it hyperbolic is with reunder a threat . Look, joed biden will be the next president of the united states. Kamala harris will be the Vice President. I have been troubled whether you are democrat or republican, should have troubled when you start having attempts to block, negate, overturn the peoples vote. When theres no actual evidence that there was anything illegal or fraudulent taking place. They are just bold assertions. They have been repeatedly rejected by the courts and im less surprised by donald trump doing this. He has shown only a flimsy relationship to the truth. Im more troubled that youre seeing a lot of republican officials go along with it. Not because they actually believe it but because they feel intimidated by it and the degree to which you have seen some news outlets that cater to the right and the conservative viewpoint some how try to prop up these bogus claims. Well, given your experience with some of those capitol hill republican, are you surprised they are going along with this effort . Look, at each juncture, youre a limit more disappointed that basic fairness and norms and habits that republicans and democrats tra zi democrats t democra democrats traditionally observe are not observed. Talk about certifying a vote. This a routine process. Democratic officials certify when republicans win. Its not as if this election was any closer than the election that originally brought donald trump to office. And he won some votes in places where you had democratic officials when who had to certify that donald trump had won. But the basis of the democratcy is there is a fair process. Because other wise, elections dont mean anything. And look, at the end of the day, i dont think any of it will be successful. I think you have enough republicans with integrity, including officials in places like georgia that have said were just going to count and call it the way we see it. And thats what theyre supposed to do. That is what we should expect any public official to do. There are things that transcend partisanship. When you take an oath of office, you take an oath to uphold the konss constituti constitution and the rules and laws and that transcends whatever party you belong to, who would prepare winning or losing. I didnt enjoy having to call donald trump and congratulate for him won the night of his election four years ago, but i did it because that is part of my job. The same way that george bush called me and invited me and facilitated my transition. That is part of the continuity of our democracy that allows us to have arguments, have differences but at the end of the day, still be confident that this is a government of, by and for the people. Lets talk about the next president of the united states, fle president elect joe biden. In 2016, you pleasured joe biden not to run for president. In 2019, you reportedly told your number two you dont have to do it, joe. You really dont. Today, Vice President biden is president elect joe biden. Are you surprised, proud, or both . Well, im proud. Im thrilled, and those reportedlys are not accurate. That didnt happen . That didnt happen. My view has always been that joe biden has the character, the experience, the connection to the American People that would allow him to potentially be successful. I think in 2016, he had gone through for the second time the worst tragedy any of us can go through, which is losing a child, to a bebidebilitating disease, and i was a friend and he made made that decision, and the same is true this time out. My assessment was that he had a good chance because you had an open democratic field. I think during the primaries, you know, there were some bumps early on. He came into his own in the general election, ran a magnificent campaign and deserved to win. I think his choice of Kamala Harris as a partner is going to benefit all of us because not only is she obviously breaking a Glass Ceiling but she is just a really capable, smart, tough and inciteful elected official who is going to put the American People first. And on the subject of Vice President elect harris, you have known her for years. What is your advise to her as another person of color about how to contend with the new level of scrutiny and conspiracy theories she has to deal with on this stage. Look, she is going through a twofehr. The one thing we learned over the last several years is that the challenges that women face as women are profound just as race is a profound issue in our society, and women of color, you have to deal with both. The good news is that camera is accustom to it. Shes been a first before. Shes been on the national stage. And my advise to her is actually really similar to my advise to joe. Surround yourself with great people. Stay open to ideas wherever they come from. Reach out to the other side but understand that you may not always get the cooperation you want. But you keep on trying just to make sure you can when you go to bed at night, be confident you are going everything you can to unify the country and then follow your instincts and follow your value. If they do, i think theyre going to be fine. Theyre going to be great. Let me ask you this. One question about something that jumped out at me at the book. And interesting revelation in your book. You are recalling your inauguration to and you take a turn and you see protesters with the signs. Incite bush and war criminal. I felt quietly angry to protest a man in the final hour of his presidency seemed graceless. I was troubled by what the protests said about the divisions that were churning across the country and the weakens of whatever boundaries of decorum had once regulated politics. And i cant help, will you be angry on president trumps behalf to those who protest him . And what will the demonstrations say about what we are are . I think that 2008 is very different than 2020. The way Donald Trumps behaving in transition is different want the they george bush was in his final months of office. And because were in the middle of the pandemic, we dont know what inauguration is going to look like. But i think joe biden is right to say that we should all make an effort to do our best to lower the temperature and listen to the other side. But i think when you have a current president whose entire style is to fan division, that is hard when hes on the stage. In some ways, i think it will be useful for us to just get back to the normal arguments between democrats and republicans, and not the existential ones. To talk about policy more and talk about sort of the warfare betweens parties less. But thats going to require all of us to operate, including the media, which is a hard thing to do, because lets face it, other the last four years, the news of the clash envisions between progressives and the right, between democrats and republicans has, you know, continually amped up in ways that we have gotten almost numb to. And it would be good if we can dial it down a little bit. We have a lot talk about. Coming up, the Obama Initiative still changing the lives of young black men across the country. We will talk to some of those impacted by my brothers keeper. Stay with us. Much more ahead. This is the feeling of total protection now that we protect your identity, and mobile phone, as well as auto home and life youve never been in better hands allstate click or call for a quote today thats what my brothers keeper is all about. Helping more and more young people stay on track. Providing the support to think broadly about their future. Building on what works, when it works in those critical life changes moments and all the time recognizing that my neighbors child is my child. That each of us has an obligation to give every child the same change in this country. President obama launched my brothers keeper in an effort to bridge the persistent opportunity gaps for young men of color. Manufacture th more than six years later, its still going strong, proving to be a lasting legacy. And joining me now is people who participated in president obamas program. Jerome hawkins and a Howard University under grad, christian r. Johnson, a remember of the class of 2024 at Howard University and dr. Edwin cassata, head of Yonkers Public School in new york. Welcome, all. Christian, i want to start with you, and ask, what does my brothers keeper mean to you . It simply means just having that brotherhood, the family aspect really my high school was a part of your initiative and we were all brothers in that community. Like, the teachers in my school were my play aunts and my play aun kls. And my brothers keeper is creative village out of my village of my home. I love that. Jerome, you have the same experience . Absolutely. And just what christian said. My neighbors child is my child. Your brother is my brother. Your sister is my sister. And you know, just looking after one another, what i have, you have. And just sharing the resources. You dont have mentorship doesnt have to be lateral. Kit be horizontal. And has it affected the student body in yonkers . What has it meant to the students there . Thank you. My brothers keeper is a movement. Its an opportunity to truly affect the live experiences of the students that have been left behind. And i have often said thats on behalf of the students that have been left behind in america. President obama has set the conditions for us to create the initiatives on behalf of the young people to support them, to scare for them and to give them a place our society. President obama, have they met the expectations ut expectat for my brothers keep center. They exceeded them. These two young guy, when i met them, they were not fancy and looki looking sharp. But theyre an example of the incredible talent that is out there. You know, in this first volume of a Promised Land, i dont right about Trayvon Martin that comes later in the presidency. That will p in volume two. But he had continually seen not just the tragedy of young black men being impacted by racial bias in the criminal Justice System or Trayvon Martin, a vigilante who decided that trayvon was suspicious but what it unveiled was the degree to which attitudes towards black boys, hispanic boy, boys of color, boys on native american reservations, the fear of them, the stereo typing, the dismissal of them, the pipelining of them not in the college, but so often in the prison was having an adverse effect and we had to go beyond government to deal with it. So what we did, marshall partnerships in a place like yonkers with School Districts and businesses and Community Organizations and groups, trying to find mentorship programs, violence intervention programs, some cases, reentry programs for those who have gone through the criminal Justice System. Processes to encourage young people to set their sights higher, and you have, as the superintendent said, a movement where its fallen short just the need always exceeds the number of programs that we have theres still hundreds of thousands of young boys and men that would benefit from a mentor, who would benefit from the kind of helping hand that i think all of us need somewhere along the way for us to rise and im an example of that. As somebody who grew up in a relatively tranquil place, hawaii, but still had all kinds of issues when i was young. And i want to get into this. Because if i remember correctly, all of us on this stage, with the exception of christian, we grew up with single moms. And one of your favorite words in a promise land, i notice, is foolishness. So im wondering if any of your moms put up with any foolishness growing up. Here is what president obama writes about his teen years. As for the world beyond my family, well, what they could see for most of my teenage years is not a budding leader but a passionate basketball player of limited talent and an incessant, dedicated parties, no eagle scouts. Through high school, my friends and i didnt discuss much behind sports, girls, music and plans for getting loaded. President obama, i want to know what did getting loaded look like . And what moved to you be a little more forthcoming . A little more blunt about your miss spent youth . I actually go in detail about i wasnt president then but it was is truth and part of the reason is i talked about this in conversations i had with jerron and christian and others as part of my brothers keeper, and one of the goals of my book in tracing my path early on to end up being in the presidency is, you know, we dont start off at least a lot of us dont start off thinking about the world around us. We kind of take for granted what cards are dealt to us. And for a lot of black and brown boys and girls, you know, often times, the cards are a little bit stacked against us. And part of what i wanted to show is that the issue is not where you start. Its what you overcome and where you end up. And i was lucky not only because i was living in a place where despite my bad attitude sometimes, it wasnt dangerous, the way it can be if youre growing up in d. C. Or philly or chicago or l. A. But also what i wanted to portray is the process where you had adults who saw potential in me even if i didnt see it in myself and were willing to question what i was doing. And get me thinking about how i could tie my wagon hitch my wagon to Something Better than myself, and its true that tro sess of mentoring, questioning, believing in that a lot of young people start to say, okay, maybe there is something in me that i can contribute, and maybe i should take on more responsibility and change in ways that are not always easy but are possible, and i wanted young people who may be right now looking at the world and seeing pandemic and George Floyds killing, and so much that seems out of whack, and maybe are feeling discouraged. I want them to see in themselves the possibility that they can bring about change. They can be agents of making things better in the same way that i did in fits and starts, it took me a long time to learn what i was capable of. But that is part of the process. I know jerron and christian, you know president obama. You know his story. But im just wondering if it surprised to you read in the book that he didnt get his act together until the tenth grade. I mean, we look problem later than that. I started thinking about getting my act together in the tenth grade. But i mean, a lot of people, you look at president obama and he is on top of the world. To know and realize that he didnt pull it together start thinking about pulling it together until tenth grade. Did that demystify the man for you . It absolutely did. You know, mr. President , youre mr. President. A lot of people are like, thats the penalty. And being a part of the personal mentorship program, a lot of people talk at them. Im a Firm Believer that the people that have the most power to solve the problem and absolutely to your point, had demystified it, and humanized him. Like, i want to listen to him. And i see that you have a lot of was come. And christian, demystifies the president but did it make his accomplishments seem attainable for you . Definitely did. I mean, just to hear that he put his act together and the tenth grade. It helped my out because coming in to ninth grade, i wasnt as perfect as i thought i was. I was a no it all. All this other stuff and just getting my act together over the course of four years i was there really did help me. So knowing he didnt get his act together until his High School Years really did help with that. And dr. Cassata, with the students there in yonkers, do you see in the student body in yonkers little barack obamas, kids who are not quite there yet but could be if they have the right motivation . Thank you, and i see them from kinder all the way through grade 12. Many president obamas, i see in yonkers, and what the president is speaking about, we have given language to yonkers, the mayor, we lead the movement and the idea is to create real social capital for the people. And lets not write them off in the tenth grade. Lets instead align them to individuals, to businesses, to friends that are willing to provide for them to be successful. You know, i have one more question before we have to take this break. The president has written and talked about the racial identify, and through the people you worked with, it turned out there was no single way to be black. Just trying to be a good man was enough. We dont have a lot of time so i will go to you on this, jerron. Have you gone through this same journey, coming to terms with what it means to be black men in america . Absolutely have. And being a second Year Law School opportunity student, its never more in my life. And graduating law school, im still a black money. And i made it through under grad, like, its, youre black. And in law school, when i dont have a howard law shirt on it, its like, youre a black man. And i can feel that. Its something i have to live with for the rest of my life. 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Recently professor was arrested in his home in cambridge. What does it say to you and what does it asabt Race Relations in america. I dont know. Not having been there, what role race played in that. But i think its fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry. Number two, that the Cambridge Police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was proof when they were in their own home. President obamas reaction to the arrest of henry lewis gates inist his own home sparked a heated debate on race and policing. The president invited the arresting officer and gates to his office for the summit, and the president writes about that in incident in his memoir. Here is what you write. It reminded all of us, black and white alike, that the basis of our nations social order had never been about consent. Because of this, black families for generations have had the talk, with their children, how to behave in public, especially with law enforcement. Mr. President , since your mom and grandparents were both white, im curious when did you have the talk . The truth s again, growing up in hawaii, you did not have that day to day set of tensions. But what i saw and i have written about this in my first book, the you start noticing that when youre crossing the street, suddenly, door locks go down or folks clutch their purses a little tighter when you get on the elevator. That kind of experience tells you are seen differently, and i dont think anybody, any afri n africanamerican male hasnt gone through that at some point. But, you know, what the episode with skip gates revealed was just how sensitive we are in even talking about these issues. One of the reasons i was encouraged this year during a year when obviously there was a lot of discouraging stuff is the reaction to the george floyd killing, and the fact that unlike some of the previous incidents involving the black community and the Hispanic Community and the police, this is one where you saw outrage, concern, distress and activism across the board. Including in a large section of the White Community and in towns where there are barely any black people. But they understood, okay, you know, this is an on going problem we have to do something about it, and that signals the possibility for change as long as we translate it in changes and changes in laws and policy. You know, christian, you told this, when we talked before this, you had the talk with your father. And it was so intense, tell everyone what you havent done since you had the talk with your father . I still havent gotten my license. I refuse to drive as of right now. Its frightening for me. So i just never went out to do it. Frightening i mean, your father, putting the fear of god into you. But how how specific, how real did the talk get . I mean, you can tell he was scared for me. And that is a different type of fear that puts just getting into you, hearing your father. The man, the strong guy in the house, just hearing him and hearing fear for your life is it shakes you. You know, jerron, both of you, jerron and christian, and also dr. Quezada, you all participated in black lives matter demonstrations. And you participated in los angeles. Yes, sir. The protest itself was fine. What happened after you left . Just a little back story. I dont want to paint the picture that me and my friends were in the right. But one of my friends, she put a piece of black tape over her license plate. So immediately following the protest, we get pulled over by two quad cars, three officers in title, and about nine fehrs show up and its five black children sitting on the sidewalk, with six squad cars and there was a card crowd gavring in the street. To make a long story short. After all the Police Officers ended up leaving, the people were running up to us, hey, we dont need anymore hash tags. And that struck me to my core. I was five seconds away from being another hash tag. How are the students in yonkers dealing with this is this. This is what my brothers keeper is all about. You know, during the demonstration, many of my students led demonstration in the city of yonkers. And every elected official and the superintendent were part of the demonstrations. We wanted to show our young people we were in this together. I think is what the president tried to do with his book, actually what he did with his book, which is telling us all my brothers keeper is an opportunity to ensure that our young people realize they do have a place our society, whether its a demonstration the other thing about the kip gates incident is that it eye lighted what black people, especially black professionals have to go through in terms of navigating their way through the dual existence that were in. The key is not to overhype or be ultra sensitive about every single miscommunation. The key is to open, to listen. To recognize that all of us have bias. You know, and its by the way not unique to white folks. White folks make assumptions too about others and we have to always guard against that. You know, one of the great things about being president , you know, i travel and go to Rural Communities and there are no black people involved. And when i was running for the u. S. Senate, driving down in southern illinois, and, you know, these were stereo typically White Conservative rule communities. Im walking in, black civil rights lawyer from chicago named barack obama, and you go in a store or you go to a county fair and people couldnt have been nicer and people are asking you about your family and you would find things in common if you are not making assumptions. So it goes both ways and i think one of the dangers in the current climate is making a lot of assumptions about people just based on the surface and not taking the time to listen to peoples stories but at the end of the day though, when it comes to the criminal Justice System, all the understanding in the world is not going to solve the problem if when a Police Officer does something wrong, he is not held accountable. Its not going to solve the problem if you have a situation where the police union rules had set things up such that the if its a controversy, the benefit of the doubt is always going to go to the Police Officer even when there is film showing something happened. So were still going to have to change law, change rules and often times when you set up smart rules and smart laws and you unforenforce them, then beh changes as well. We will continue the conversation. Coming up, much more if president obama and more from my brothers keeper. A and more froy brothers keeper harold twelve hundred strings of lights. betsy quarter mile of tinsel. harold and real snow all the way from switzerland. betsy hmmhm. Gonna be tough to top. betsy well played. vo add some thrill to your wish list. At the season of audi sales event. Get exceptional offers now. Oh, oh, announcer ® onceweekly ozempic® is helping many people with type 2 diabetes like emily lower their blood sugar. 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Were back with president obama and members of my brothers keeper. So mr. President , this is the hope. You write,fy remain hopeful, its because i learned to place my faith in any fellow citizens, especially those in the next generation whose conviction in the equal worth of all people seems to come as a Second Nature and who insist on making it ream, those pins pls that their parents and teachers told them were true and perhaps never fuelly believed themselves. And the in the that statement and even through my brothers keeper is putting a lot on your shoulders. This a long term preposition. You ready for it . Yeah, i mean, just focusing on my friends and school and always helping them, and always having their back is more important and just keeping faith in my people, my family, keeping faith in my friends. And jerron, do you think, well, one, i know youre ready for the long term proposition. What about your friends who my not be on the journey with you. What do you say to them . You know, for one, its never too late to start a journey. You can always join me whenever you want to, and also me being a repository of information, i have a duty to share that information. Whatever im getting and receiving, its up to me as my brothers keeper to make sure that my brother is as well. There is something we said when we talked earlier about the fact that what was terrific, i think it was you, dr. Quezada, what is unique about my brothers keeper, what the students told you there are programs geared to the gifted students, and my brothers keeper is geared to everyone. Talk a little bit about that, and also about the leadership demands of my brothers keeper. So jonathan, here is what we know. Young men of color are more like try be suspended in school. Less likely to graduate, okay . That is that type of data we need to change. We need to address the needs of every young man, every student in our schools and in yonkers, the president s program, the former president s program has served as the umbrella, the vehicle to change the mind set. If we want to change america, we have to change place in our soc. And ultimately we have to ensure theyre in charge. Youve been superintendent of the Yonkers School for six years. Give or take. Have you noticed a change in the student body, in those young men of color in yaungers post my brothers keeper . Absolutely. When i i became superintendent the Graduation Rate was 70 . The Graduation Rate is close to 90 right now. This is what my brothers keeper is about. So weve been through a lot particularly in 2020, economic calamity, the pandemic, even education during the pandemic, but humans always find they always find hope in the heartache. Are the students in yonkers hopeful . I firmly believe they are. Our students understand that a Promised Land is possible. And its only about the adults realizing that we need to set the conditions for them to be successful. If we do that, then guaranteed success will occur. Christian, what gives you hope . What gives me hope . Wow. I would honestly stay just my family and my mother most of all. And just knowing that i want to create a better place for my little sister so that she can live without having to worry about, like, politics. And she can live without just the fear of making mistakes and not being forgiven for these mistakes shes making. What gives you hope . She was a singing mom of two living in a shelter. She got pregnant with me when she was 17, dropped out of school. But she took the shelter situation and now my younger brother is serving with the d. C. National guard and im a second year law student. Even before the interview i had her pray and i was like thank you. Because 22, 23 odd years ago i could not be here, she could have made a different decision. I saw your instagram feed. Your mom and very, very proud of you. And you are very, very proud of her. It is very, very clear. Mr. President , i want to end with you. And im going to put this question a little differently to you. We are at the virtual thanksgiving table, turkeys carved, the yams are hot, the tin can cranberry still has its shape, and you are asked to give the blessing. You are asked to say grace. What do you say . Thats not a tough question because thats exactly actually what ive had to do every year including because we used to have our family to the white house for thanksgiving. And with all michelles brothers and cousins, uncles, it was a pretty big crowd. And i would say grace. And id express thanks not just obviously for the food and the shelter and all the blessings that weve received, but id give thanks for my children and all the children that were part of that who are now growing up and have become amazing young people like jeron and christian. When i say i have faith in the coming generation its not because they dont make mistakes. Its not because theyre perfect. I like what christian was talking about when he talked about his younger sister. And part of the reason in my book i tried to be honest about the mistakes i made is we all make mistakes. The question is do we setup a society in which young people through those mistakes can grow, can learn, can have faith and confidence that the adults around them care about them . And when we do that our children will succeed. And ive said this before. This upcoming generation, its smarter, it is more sophisticated. It is more open to differences and has absorbed the food and culture and music of each other in ways thats uniquely american. America is exceptional not because of, you know, our military or our economy. More than anything its exceptional because we have people from all these different walks of life that have gone through all these different experiences. And if we can come together as one, if we can get past some of these vestiges of our history, then that gives hope not just to future generations of america but to the world. And ive seen that in the younger generation. And the question is now do we have a politics that looks backwards and tries to, you know, tamp down this blossoming of amazing, you know, but different young people . Or do we look forward and give them an opportunity to create the kind of america i think we can have . And im banking on the future, and im banking on young men like this. And thats what will deliver us to the Promised Land that i write about in the book. President barack obama. President obama, thank you so much for your time. Its been great. And thank you for having these great young people with us. Right. And thank you. And also thanks to our hosts here at d. C. s Lincoln Theater. Im jonathan capeheart. Good night. burke everar youre with us, you get fifty dollars toward your home deductible. 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