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And there was a surprise. At least with 62 of the vote in, there so far is a surprise in terms of the result. And this young candidate, who had zero name recognition less than a year ago, less than six months ago, and still has zero name recognition in a large part of the country, has a story to tell. Maybe its a good place for him to tell it right after the state of the union. Maybe its a good place to tell if the iowa results are going to be stretched out over several days rather than released once at midnight on a monday in january or in february. So i think its obviously the Iowa Democrats screwed up and theyre going to have to answer for it. But the ultimate impact of what happens here is going to depend both on the results and the way this keeps trickling out. Hes been at 62 and its like netflix. Its been buffering for like five hours. He cant say whats actually happened. Again, i feel bad for sort of mayor pete, but i will say this. He is in a really unique position now to see if what he did in iowa will actually bork work in other places. His victory is he was on the college campuses. He was in the rural areas. Is he going to take that to New Hampshire . Is he going to take that to South Carolina . Where is he going to try to apply this method next . Hes at Single Digits in all these other places. What is the place that hes thinking now that i can make that leap based on the momentum from iowa . And what did his iowa operation teach him about organizing prowess, right . So we know the theory that senator sanders brings to organizing and voter turnout, right, because thats part of his electability argument. Its part of his stump speech. Its part of the way that he says he should be the nominee and he should attract your support. Its more of a process question than it is a demonstration. Right. From all of the other candidates including firsttime National Candidates like Elizabeth Warren and Pete Buttigieg. I know theres problems with which states go first, and i know weve all had the fight about iowa being first of all. But in these early states, you do stress test the campaigns in different types of operations. An iowa caucus is different than a New Hampshire primary. Its different than a nevada caucus, is different than a South Carolina primary. Were going to see all that in very quick succession before a giant money bomb lands on all of them less than one month from tonight on super tuesday. To the folks joining us in what is normally the 11th hour, in air quotes, this was day 1,011 in the trump administration. We are talking about dual stories, the state of the Union Address we just witnessed, hard to bring together in one cogent sentence, equally difficult to explain is what is still unfolding in iowa. Steve kornacki is back at the board. Oh, 24 hours ago we were talking about when are we going to get results from iowa. And were still asking when are we going to get results from iowa . When are we going to get more results . Before we get into that state of the union speech, 62 of precincts were reporting. 62 still reporting. We have heard things from the Iowa Democratic party about more votes coming in. Those suggestions have not panned out. That has been a recurring theme these last 24 hours. So it is still at 62 . I should make very clear here the decision desk here at nbc is not characterizing anybody as the winner or any Single Person as the leader here in terms of the state delegate equivalents or that popular vote, that initial preference. You have buttigieg leading sanders by 25 state delegate equivalents and of course you have sanders right now leading by three points in that initial preference. Weve been talking about this tonight. Why does buttigieg have that advantage in delegates when he is losing the initial preference by three points, when hes also losing the reallocated preference . Sanders is also leading that. What you see here, it looks like i sort of made a mistake here. These are all marks. I marked off in yellow here, these are counties that buttigieg has won or is leading in right now. You see there are a lot of them all throughout the state. These are all counties where their share of the delegates statewide are greater than their share of the turnout. So we keep talking about this, how there is a bit of an advantage, especially in some Rural Counties where you get more bang for your buck in terms of delegates than necessarily raw votes. So you see all of these counties here. Buttigieg is leading in all of them right now, and it explains how hes able to take the lead in state delegates despite trailing right now in that initial preference. So well continue to see were not giving up hope tonight to get some more vote in on this thing. But that pattern weve been talking about, buttigieg and the delegates, sanders and the initial preference, well see if that continues or if we get a clear winner in this final 38 . Steve, i mean this completely absent snark. Were talking about individual initial preference. Isnt that what we call, in noncaucus states, going to vote . That would be the argument that the Sanders Campaign will make if this holds. Ill put it up right here. Theyll say, hey, look, this is your clearest indication yet of what people intended to do with one choice in the Iowa Caucuses, and theyll probably say, hey, look, theyve been doing the Iowa Caucuses for 50 years. It started back in 1972. In 1972 this was a very convoluted process that only a few people took part in, and they came up with this very complicated state delegate equivalent formula. And they had conventions that played out over a period of months to get to that. I think if you look back at that, as an academic exercise, if 50 years ago you said, hey, weve got a choice here. We can do state delegate equivalents or raise your hand at the caucus, which would you rather have . I think there might have been a serious discussion about which is a better instrument of measuring support. The Sanders Campaign if this holds is going to say more people went out to these caucus sites and decided they wanted to support sanders than buttigieg. They also will have the talking point of saying even when given a second choice at this point, even when given a second choice, sanders still leading buttigieg. Well see if that holds. Buttigieg leads that delegate formula but the two measures there of first and second round support, sanders leads. Thank you, steve. We are going to be talking with a top national surrogate for the Sanders Campaign. I want to tell you one quick piece of news before we go to her. This has just been reported. We were talking about that dramatic visual we had right at the end of the president s state of the Union Address in which nancy pelosi pointedly ill demonstrate pointedly took her copy of the speech and tore it. As Speaker Pelosi left the floor, a couple of nbc News Reporters asked her what she thought of the speech, and she told them, quote, i tore it up. She was asked why she tore it up, and she said, quote, because it was the courteous thing to do considering the alternative. Lighting it on fire . Which makes my mind start to conjure a number of different alternatives. I want to bring in congresswoman Rashida Tlaib. Shes supporting Bernie Sanders for president. She was at the capitol tonight for the state of the Union Address. Congresswoman, it is great to see you. Thank you so much for joining us tonight. Thank you for having me. So i understand i was just told right as we were bringing you on that you were among the several democratic lawmakers who actually walked out of the president s speech before it was done tonight. Tell me about that decision and what was the Tipping Point for you . I think, you know, even the mention of Brett Kavanaugh for me is a trigger, just as a woman in america, the fact that he, you know, rightfully was accused and having an incredibly strong woman come before the public and the world and tell her story of Sexual Assault by this person that was appointed to the Supreme Court is just i couldnt stand still and not do anything about it, and i needed to walk away from that. In terms of the president s remarks there, im not sure exactly the moment when you got up and when you were out of the chamber or not. The president seemed to ad lib a remark when he was talking about Supreme Court justices saying, we have many more in the pipeline, implying that he is intending or expecting to fill a lot more Supreme Court seats. That seemed to be a moment that, again, was off script in terms of the prepared remarks, but making a major promise in terms of what his intentions are. Yeah. I mean, look, one of the things that i know from my residents as they probably watch this i mean were the third poorest Congressional District in the country. And for him to, you know, flaunt and brag about taking people off of food assistance, the fact that, you know, rightfully theyre very angry. Im getting Text Messages from folks saying, but i thought hes in court right now trying to take away protection and Health Coverage for those with preexisting conditions. Mmhmm. Hes lying, rashida. Do something about it. Its like what can i do . Hes the president of the United States, a forever impeached president. What we need to do is remove him from office. He cannot continue to lie to the American People. He cannot continue to not only what i saw in lie after lie but also to mislead the public and use immigrants and use people of various different faiths to try to increase fear and do fearmongering kind of politicians. Look, were tired of the hate rhetoric. Were tired of the divisiveness in our country, right . We want actual policy and actions. Look, we have been talking about lowering Prescription Drugs. Weve been talking about the issues around the broken immigration system but really trying to say we need a just, fair, very humane immigration system. He needs to be working with all of us and many of us that represent these vulnerable communities, these front line communities. And right now, you know, we just dont want to be were not part of a reality show. We are the United States of america. We are made of people that are impacted by everything he says and everything he does and doesnt do. So for many of us standing by, it was really, you know, the kind of text message im getting from folks is it was bizarre. Its unreal. Is he really saying this because its untrue. Those are the kinds of things that i think need to be really centered and people need to elevate. And i hope folks are Fact Checking because i walked out of there knowing a number of facts, a number of parts of his speech were completely false. I literally thought his nose was growing during the speech like pinocchio. It was blatant disregard of the truth, disregard of really understanding the importance of really trying to get to a point not just like kind of making up stuff as he goes. Thats exactly what it felt like. You raised the issue of impeachment and what you described as the necessity to remove this president from office. Obviously it is a split screen in terms of major news right now with this president having a state of the Union Address, with the iowa 2020 caucus results still coming in and the Democratic Candidates moving to New Hampshire, and of course the culmination of the president s impeachment trial tomorrow. You were so outspoken to the point of rhetorical exclamation points about wanting the president s impeachment and seeking the president s impeachment. Now that were on the precipice of the Senate Making its decision, what everybody expects to be a party line acquittal in the senate tomorrow, whats your take on whether it was a good idea, whether it went the way you wanted it to go, whether it went the way everybody should have expected it to go . Now that its at this point, how do you feel about that having been so sure of it early on . Look, you know, this is about doing whats right for our country and for our democracy. I have to basically move forward and, you know, i took an oath, and move forward in saying i have to uphold that oath. That means holding a president accountable to the United States constitution. I mean before i got here, residents at home were saying, look, theres this upgraded version of pay to play, rashida. You have a sitting ceo in the white house making decisions in the best interest of his companies and the fact that he hasnt divested and hasnt complied with the emoluments clause. It may not be the basis of why we move forward. But where we are now is we at least got the truth out as much as folks are pushing back against that. The one thing the American People need us to do is do the right thing, not strategically, not looking at polls, but doing the right thing to protect our democracy and making sure that were elevating the truth no matter what, no matter how hard it is. They deserve the truth. They deserve to know exactly what this president is doing, and it may be bribing a Foreign National today, but tomorrow its going to continue moving money away from the military and from our schools and from other programs to benefit his resorts, watching him allow folks to use the trump hotel as kind of access to the most powerful position in the world to get their way. I mean these are kinds of things that really are at the core of why we need to be pushing back against this illegal and very, very, very much unamerican kind of way, i think, that as we push forward in trying to represent our people. Its just wrong. And i cant we cant sit back and say, oh, well, is it going to go through the senate . Is it the right thing . Was it the right thing to do at the moment . It was because people demanded us to hold him accountable for bribing a foreign government. They want us to hold him accountable for lying to them. They want us to hold him accountable for not upholding the United States constitution, the oath that he took. And thats all we can do. We set a dangerous precedent when we do nothing. It just was not an option for us. Congresswoman, i also need to ask you youre an endorser of senator Bernie Sanders and his president ial campaign. Yes. We are in a weird state where we are more than 24 hours out from the Iowa Caucuses. Weve got 62 of results reported. Senator sanders appears to be ahead in terms of the votes cast by people allocating themselves to specific supporters and then reallocating themselves. The delegate count appears to be slightly in favor of mayor Pete Buttigieg. Obviously well still get more results and we dont know what the final tally will be. But how do you and the campaign feel about what happened in iowa given both the results and the strangeness of the process . I mean i think with every campaign, as long as you were rooted in the community and grassroots and engaging people that havent been engaged historically, that you did Everything Possible to grow this movement of not me, but us. You know, it has been about all of us. I have seen people that said they had never participated in Iowa Caucuses but for the fact that bernie was running for president of the United States. That, to me, is inspiring. The one thing that i know for folks even in my district and across the country, theyre tired. Theyre tired of folks that bow down to corporations. They want somebody thats not going to sell them out. You hear it over and over again. We dont want the same old kind of leadership that comes in and literally bows down or tries to come too much in the center where were not transforming peoples lives. Were not being able to take care of them. Theyre suffering. Theyre in so much pain for not being included on a number of things that would be able to elevate them out of poverty, being able to make sure they have health care coverage. And, you know, senator sanders, the one thing about him is he has a record, not like everybody that is running for president. He is one that has an actual record thats so consistent with protecting the working families and protecting work is class. And that is my district, and thats why for so many of us, he speaks to us, and he engages again people that have never been engaged before. And hes bringing people together that wouldnt even be in the room but for the fact that he is the one running for president. Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib, who is one of the that we are now know getting further reports, many members of congress who walked out of tonights state of the Union Address. Congresswoman, thank you so much for making time. We really appreciate you having time with us tonight. Thank you so much for having me. 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Donald trump delivered his third state of the Union Address on the eve of a senate vote to remove him from office or acquit him of the charges. It was a bizarre night. It started with what can only be described as a snub to the speaker, failing to shake Nancy Pelosis hand when she when he arrived at the podium. Then there was this after the speech. Thank you very much. Then there was the speech and everything that transpired, including but not limited to the awarding of the president ial medal of freedom to Rush Limbaugh by the first lady in the gallery during the speech. Here for our discussion on a boisterous tuesday night, Stephanie Ruhle, our nbc news Senior Business correspondent, the host of her own program on this very network. Michael steele, former chairman of the Republican National committee, former Lieutenant Governor of the great state of maryland. He is the host of the podcast that bears his name. Doris kerns goodwin, president ial historian and author. She has written bestsellers about both roosevelts, kennedys, lincoln to name a few. Her latest work is appropriately titled leadership in turbulent times. Eugene robinson, pulitzer prizewinning columnist for the Washington Post. And among our political analysts and in washington, robert costa, National Political reporter for the Washington Post, moderator of Washington Week on pbs. Robert, id like to begin with you because i cant help but notice the location of tonights event over your shoulder. The reaction to what was a bizarre night to watch. Reporter first republicans talking to white house officials tonight, senators and congressmen, its clear they believe the president s remarks were the formal kickoff of this phase of the 2020 election, an economic message to the suburban voters in the country, and then the pivot toward the hardline message on immigration, the awarding of the president ial medal of freedom to Rush Limbaugh, speaking to voters out in different parts of the country in swing state battlegrounds as the president looks to contain his coalition for 2020. For democrats, they see challenges here. The president is boosted by approval ratings. He is going to likely be acquitted in the Senate Impeachment trial. But look beyond all the color tonight. You saw earlier today Speaker Pelosi, her emphasis in her news conference, health care, health care, health care. You saw that in the governors speech in the democratic response. That, the democrats see, as the path to power in 2020, not necessarily combating President Trump on impeachment. Stephanie ruhle, the hour is late. I had something prepared and planned for the broadcast tonight, but we can no longer do that. We tasked you with factchecking on your area of expertise, the economy. I note several handwritten pages in kind of frantic sharpie, i think, is the motif. I wouldnt say frantic. Heres the thing. Please. We knew that the president was going to lead with the economy, and he has every right to. The economy is strong. We are at historic low unemployment numbers. The stock market, which is different from the economy, is soaring. He walked in tonight after a record day in the stock market, and you could say lots of people arent investors. Youre right. Theyre not buying apple stock, but millions of ordinary americans do have retirement accounts and own 401 k s. And last year the s p was up 29 . That makes a lot of americans feel good. The question is why doesnt the president leave it there . Why does he start by saying, i took us out of years of economic decline. It was an economic reversal. I unwound failed economic policies. What in the world is he talking about . We are in the tenth year of an economic expansion, which was obviously started in the obama administration. The president has seen 6. 7 million jobs created in the last three years. You know who created more . Obama in the last three years of his administration. The unemployment fell faster under obama, and gdp, when the president says its the greatest economy ever, he ranks seventh among his 11 predecessors as far as growth goes. And you cant forget whats goosed that growth . Record tax cuts for corporate america. So the question is why on earth wouldnt the president leave well enough alone . Hes got a strong economy. Because to what we just heard in the last segment when Rashida Tlaib said she was triggered, thats exactly what the republicans want to do. They know what the facts are, and they know what framing it incorrectly is. And by framing it incorrectly, youre right. People are frantically factchecking and twitter is aflutter. But the state of the union isnt a debate. Its a presentation. And the president got to paint a picture, not take a snapshot. And painting that picture works for a lot of americans. Michael steele, were old enough to remember proper civics education. Were old enough to remember bipartisanship. So its with some sadness that we greet mistruths from the lectern, and its with some sadness that we look at the picture of two very distinct chambers tonight. Very much so. In fact, what i noted was how the president addressed the house. He addressed republicans. He didnt address democrats. And so the answer to your question, stephanie, is the base. This whole thing on the economy was to you know, it plays for them. They dont believe obama had any good cut related to the economy. They dont believe obama had any good related to foreign policy. They dont believe any of that. So you have to keep that narrative going, and the president did a very effective job playing that out, creating that snapshot, actually bringing up some old photos and putting it back in front of his house. This was as much a thank you, guys, for what you did for me over here as it was a conversation to the base, saying, remember what i said i was going to do for you . Not only have i done it, im doing it in spades. They have nothing to do with it. In fact, theyve stopped me and blocked me. And thats whats going to feed this election cycle going forward. Doris kerns goodwin, thanks to your writing, we know that this is the same chamber where the old lion fdr finally came as close as he would ever come to talking about his paralysis. He was just back from yalta, i believe, and said, youll forgive me for not standing but ten pounds of steel around my legs makes it difficult to get around. Same chamber. Talk about the orator cal history or lack of it that was made tonight. Well, i keep thinking that i wish i were listening to fdr in 1921. Thats a traditional state of the union. Usually a president in the old days before the Lenny Skutniks have taken over the theatrics, which were very effective, but a lot of time goes into that whether the governing youre trying to get laws passed. In 1941, the main goal that fdr had when he talked about the four freedoms, were going to create a whole new world based on something Norman Rockwell has written about. We were still an isolationity country. That speech helped to get lend lease passed. Think about 1965 when lbj gave his state of the union and he outlines all the things he wants the congress to pass, Voting Rights, medicare, aid to education, npr, pbs, immigration reform. Those are the old state of the unions, and now theyve become, even though it was effective and maybe you could argue what he did tonight was to mobilize his people to vote for him, and thats a different kind. And the campaign is there, and were in the middle of the election, and hes got impeachment tomorrow. And he at least didnt choose the route that mr. Nixon chose when he was giving his state of the union, when he was already under hearings for watergate, and he did bring up the watergate investigation. Then he made this incredible faux pas. He meant to say, we intend to replace the present discredited welfare system, and by mistake he said, we intend to display the discredited president. I mean thats one of the great moments in state of the union history. But i want to be in those old days when it was really something that mobilized a country to bipartisan action. Eugene, i know you as the possessor of a restless mind. I am guessing you have recorded the first tappings of a column based on what we just witnessed tonight. Where are we as a country . Well, the first and last tap. I had to file the copy before i came out here. So where are we as a country . Well, you know, that speech was it was a triumph falist speech in a setting that is traditionally stage managed really to display the promise of congress. Hes there at the invitation of the speaker of the house. So president s are there on the invitation of congress, and theyre asking congress. Theyre laying out their program to congress, but its a sign that they need congress to effect their policies. And donald trump didnt give that kind of speech. It was it was me, me, me. It was i did this and i did that, a lot of stuff that he didnt do. He apparently made the u. S. Number one in producing oil and gas when that happened under the obama administration. And, you know, i could give more examples of that. Nafta is the worst ever, but the usmca is the best, when usmca is the new and improved nafta. Is basically nafta with a little pixie dust on it. So that was all about stoking the base, and it was done in the manner of reality television, at which donald trump is a master. You know, so not only does he have Rush Limbaugh there but on the spot he has the first lady put the medal around his neck. Yeah. Not only does he have the wife of the serviceman there, but he brings the serviceman home for the reunion. And it is effective. People watch reality television. Stories about human beings. Exactly. Whats so significant about what gene is saying right now, it is something that it still stuns me that the vast majority of people both in politics and the media still have not gotten what donald trump did tonight, donald trump has been doing for 20 years. And america has been watching donald trump do it on the apprentice, on the beauty pageants. Page six of the new york post. They have followed this mans story and for the first time in 2016, he actually made them much more a part of that story. And now hes like, hey, you thought that was good. How about this . Rush limbaugh. Yep. Medal of freedom. First lady, put it on his neck. Come on. And then, oh, no, no. I got something more for you. Heres one of our men and women one of our servicemen. Bring him down. Bring him down. Welcome home. In fact, you dont have to go back to fight. You get to stay home. And i watched on twitter, republican, democrat, independent response to that, boom. And so whoever comes up against donald trump had better bring their a game, and i dont mean a as in the traditional sense of it, their asymmetrical game. Exactly. You cannot play this game against him. This fight between now and november, baby, you better come ready because this is a warmup to whats going to come. Were going to take a blerea in our conversation. Our friends will stay here with us. 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We dont win the elections because we talk about stuff that is not relevant. Before we come back to our friends here in the studio, lets go right to robert costa in washington. Robert, that happened in the 5 00 hour today. James carville, selfdescribed old warrior, now 75 years old. We should mention hes an lsu fan and a former member of the u. S. Marine corps. Youre never a former member of the u. S. Marine corps. Youre always a marine. But hes charged up. He is very concerned at the kind of purity testing hes seeing, at the distractions he sees getting thrown out. Moral imperative is replacement, defeat and replacement of donald trump, and hes worried about what he sees in the party. Reporter hes not a lone voice. Mr. Carvilles message was echoed tonight on capitol hill, speaking to democratic lawmakers and aides, they too are frustrated with the lack of clarity coming out of the Iowa Caucuses. All eyes now turn to the New Hampshire primary, but senator sanders and senator warren well positioned there near their home states. And all eyes also on South Carolina. Vice president biden, a bastion of support in that state among africanamerican voters, can he win in South Carolina and power through until super tuesday, or will mayor buttigieg, with what so far we see as solid results in iowa, will we see him try to consolidate the center of the Democratic Party . A lot of uncertainty tonight as they listened to President Trump in that chamber about where this party is going . Will it move in the sanders direction or more toward the center . Thank you. We greatly appreciate it. Stephanie ruhle, the intersection of politics and the economy is democrats learning to speak american, something that in recent years hasnt always come naturally. And its what the president nails. He was up there tonight talking about a blue collar boon. I could go blue in the face giving you all the facts around where there is no blue collar boom, but the president has won those voters. In iowa, we know farm bankruptcies were up. We know more and more farmers are struggling after 28 billion in farm aid that they got because of the president s trade war. But many are standing with him because they say hes the first person to see me. Tonight literally speaking about them. That actually matters. And to James Carvilles point, democrats need to stop winning arguments and start winning elections. Take a page from his book. He is staying connected to those base voters while at the same time look at that stock market. He is hooking up investors. Here you are well, it was going to be another thought. Another break for us. No ones going anywhere. Thank you very much to Stephanie Ruhle. Thank you to robert costa. Our coverage continues right after this. Hi guys. This is the Chevy Silverado with the worlds first invisible trailer. 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Oh, tonights was it basically started out as a fact sheet that was bereft of facts. Went to all the gifts he wants for voters this year. And then they have a tendency to google a bunch of historical things that happened in america and try to string them together. As a speechwriter, im in mourning for Amelia Earhart got a shoutout. So did harriet tubman, but this is also the president that kept her off the 20 bill. They need to be careful with who theyre choosing here. Oratorically, this guy couldnt be more different from the guy who has been the voice in your head for so many years. One of the other things about this speech is there was no story to it, no narrative. President trump really is all about him, you know . Its me first. Everybody else second. Theres no sense of where we are in the broader sweep of american history, no sense of continuum to our story. Its just whats good for us right now. As i said in the moments afterwards, when it went dark, it was dark for a state of the union. This is a presidency that started out on american carnage. Right. And then you have a massive comeback and a half hour later were back in the darkness. I think he sees that as a way to turn out his base, you know, along with what i think was actually a really good case for Barack Obamas economy in the first ten minutes. Doris, this is your area as well because youve covered the best and the worst delivered from that same wooden lectern. Yeah, but on the other hand, i mean i agree that there was no arc of a story that you would want for the country as a whole. But ill go back to what you said earlier. He provided a dozen little stories that had a human notion to them. I mean i wouldnt take the limbaugh one, but i think the Tuskegee Airmen and that kid and the grandfather, and then he stands up. That one sort of got to me. So i dont know. I mean the question is what are you judging the president on . And if youre judging him on did he create a campaign state of the union for his base . I think youd have to say he was very effective. I mean the interesting thing is when he gave that carnage, the inaugural address, he came back a few weeks later with what was the first unofficial state of the union, and it was very measured. It talked about civil rights, and it talked about justice and the antisemitism. And then three days later, four days later, he talks about being wiretapped by obama. So the question well see now, he didnt go down the path of getting off he hardly adlibbed tonight. He did what people wanted him to. He didnt talk about impeachment. What will happen with his tweets in the next days ahead. Cody, let me ask you this. There were identifiable mistruths in the text of that speech tonight. That is still a new notion for all of us here at this table. It has to be a startling idea to you. Yeah, i mean my wife was a fact checker in the white house, so it was tough the first whats that . But trump has figured out how to game the system. If he gets everybody talking about the showmanship in tonights speech, avoiding Fact Checking, you know, avoiding any substance whatsoever, and even the really nice moments and i was listening to what you were saying before, michael. I choke up every time i see a commercial with a reunited soldier and their family. They work. They really do. But what all of us as a country have to do in this election is look at what matters behind that. This is a person who dismissed 60 soldiers with traumatic brain injury as having headaches. We cant get lost in these heartwarming stories without thinking about the real policies at stake. Eugene, this is a tough one. The reuniting the soldier with the family. Im noticing people on social media tonight tiptoeing into a criticism of that action on behalf of no. It was a beautiful moment, and you cant escape that. I agree with doris that there were moments that were incredibly effective. They did not string together into a larger narrative. They did not you know, he did not do what obama would always do, which is, you know, hed start at the beginning, and hed sort of, you know, build it up, and there was a narrative arc to his speeches, thank you for that. But it was disconnected in the way that life is now, you know . In the way we dont have the long Attention Spans that we used to. You know, it was like twitter. We do have the emotion. We do have the emotion. When you see that image, to your point, cody, when you see that image, you get the well up i watch those videos on youtube. Theyre yeah. So thats what the president plays to because thats his space. Thats the space he operates in. He wants you to be emotional about what he just said or what he just did because in that emotion you will react. And he saw his base tonight react when they responded this is my president. Im so proud of him. I love donald trump. So that feeds into that. And to your point, brian, on the left, theyre muted. Their response is like, well i dont want to be anti so he sort of puts them in a box with that emotion. Cody, is emotion hard or easy to write . Well, it depends on what it is. We had to do plenty of eulogies after mass shootings. That is very, very hard. Try to make people feel good. One of my favorites was we had this young couple in the box and we basically made the entire economic section of the speech about them rather than choosing a bunch of different stories. And the president said they were young and in love in america and that doesnt get much better than that. It doesnt matter what your party is, you can feel that, the first time you fell in love with somebody. Our thanks to everybody. What a night. What a day. What a time theyre having in the state of iowa, for example. Our thanks. 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And when he was found out, he engaged in the most comprehensive effort to cover up his conduct in the history of president ial impeachment, fighting all subpoenas for documents and witnesses and using his own obstruction as a sword and a shield. If abuse of power is not impeachable, even though it is clear the founders considered it the highest of all high crimes and misdemeanors, but if it were not impeachable, then a whole range of utterly unacceptable conduct in a president would now be beyond reach. Trump could offer alaska to the russians in exchange for support in the next election or decide to move to maralago permanently and let Jared Kushner run the country, delegating to him the decision whether to go to war. Because those things are not necessarily criminal, this argument would allow that he could not be impeached for such abuses of power. Of course this would be absurd. More than absurd, it would be dangerous. It must have come as a shock, a pleasant shock to this president , that our norms and institutions would prove to be so weak. The independence of the Justice Department and its formerly proud office of Legal Counsel now mere legal tools at the president s disposal to investigate enemies or churn out helpful opinions not worth the paper they are written on. The fbi painted by a president as corrupt and disloyal. The Intelligence Community not to be trusted against the good counsel of vladimir putin. The press portrayed as enemies of the people. The daily attacks on the guardrails of our democracy so relentless assailed have made us numb and blind to the consequences. Does none of that matter anymore . If hes the president of our party, every single vote, even a single vote by a Single Member can change the course of history. It is said that a single man or woman of courage makes a majority. Is there one among you who will say enough . America believes in a thing called truth. She does not believe we are entitled to our own alternate facts. She recoils at those who spread pernicious falsehoods. To her truth matters. There is nothing more corrosive to a democracy than the idea that there is no truth. Adam schiff from yesterday in the senate. Just tonight theres a new development in iowa. Lawrence odonnell will begin the next hours broadcast with that as we say good night and thank you for being with us from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. Wherever we want to go, we just have to start. Autosave your way there with chase. Chase. Make more of whats yours. [ siren ] doug give me your hand i can save you. Lots of money with Liberty Mutual we customize your Car Insurance so you only pay for what you need only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. sensei a live bookkeeper quickbooks for me. 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The counties are coming in a little bit more. We said keeping a close eye on polk county. This is des moines, the biggest, most densely populated county in the state. Des moines and some immediate suburbs. 63 in. This is the initial preference. This is folks showing up at the caucus site, how they lined up on that first initial vote. Again you see Bernie Sanders, he continues to lead here. A couple other big counties where weve gotten some more vote in, you go north from there. Story county, this is a big college county. This is the home of iowa state university. This was sanders country in 2016. It is again tonight. You go up to this part of state here, dubuque. This is interesting. A little bit of a change here from what we saw earlier. Sanders slightly ahead of buttigieg in the early tabulation here. So these are initial preferences that are coming in. Sanders continuing to hold a narrow advantage in the initial preference. But at the same time, in the state delegate equivalents, and that is the category thats used to determine ultimately National Convention delegates, i actually dont have that graphic. I can write these out for you, though. The gap here let me get the dark colored pen. The gap here on state delegate equivalents, buttigieg right now has 418 of those. Bernie sanders has 393. There is a gap here of 25, 25 state delegate equivalents. Thats about 1 . There are about 600 state delegate equivalents yet to be assigned. Again, the gap is 25. It was 25 at the last update. So sanders so far has not been able to cut into that while continuing to lead in that initial preference. Steve, do you have any sense of whats going to happen to that gap as more returns come in . Yeah. Well, i think one thing that sanders was hoping for in polk county here, in des moines where, again, he does lead by a few points, there are just so many state delegate equivalents there. Theres 392 that are assigned to polk, so i think his hope there was as more vote came in, he might be able to pick up some there. I think the fact we just got 10 more from polk, hes maintaining that lead on the initial preference, and he has not been able to cut into that, that might be a little discouraging for him. Again, there still is more than one quarter out there statewide. It depends a lot on specific precincts within counties, which were still trying to figure out which specific precincts are outstanding. So, you know, 25, its not a ton. Sanders actually lost by four state delegate equivalents to Hillary Clinton in 2016. 25 would be, you know, pretty close too. I think that would make it the second closest Iowa Caucuses in history after 2016s first. And again that advantage on that initial preference is three points for him now. Its been a shockingly long time between updates for you. As soon as any more comes in, let us know. You got it. The trump state of the Union Address became too much for some democratic members of congress in attendance, who simply couldnt take it anymore and walked out. The first member of the house to tweet about walking out of the state of the Union Address tonight will join us in just a moment. No one could really be surprised that donald trump broke with tradition and politeness and refused to shake the hand of the speaker of the house, but he did shake the hands of the nations military commanders, the joint chiefs of staff. The very same people who donald trump called losers and dopes and babies to their faces in a meeting at the pentagon reported in the new book a very stable genius. The meeting was about military deployments and strategies in the middle east. The president did not mention any of that in his state of the Union Address tonight. He did not mention that he has violated his promise to get troops out of iraq and out of afghanistan and has actually increased the number of troops in the region. But he did use one of those brave members of the military currently serving in afghanistan to create the image that the president is actually bringing troops home from the region. In classic reality show style, the president had Army Sergeant Townsend Williams emerge from behind a closed door to be reunited with his wife and children. The president went after one of the frontrunners for the democratic president ial nomination, socialist candidate senator Bernie Sanders. The president did not mention senator sanders by name, but since senator sanders is a selfproclaimed socialist in favor of medicare for all, the president went after him this way. We will never let socialism destroy American Health care. By which of course he means medicare for all. Medicare is a socialist program, but every single republican senator like Mitch Mcconnell, who is currently on medicare, cheered for the president s implicit suggestion that no one who is not currently old enough for medicare should ever be able to get medicare, never mind the sanders version of medicare for all. Our first guest tonight was the first member of congress to tweet about walking out of the state of the Union Address. His tweet announcing his walkout came at 7 57 p. M. , saying i just walked out of the state of the union. Ive had enough. Its like watching professional wrestling. Its all fake. Joining us now is democratic congressman tim ryan of ohio. You will remember tim ryan as one of the president ial candidates who was running last year. Congressman ryan, thank you very much for joining us tonight. What was the breaking point for you . Well, you know, i really wasnt trying to make a big deal about it. I just kind of snuck out, and the press found out, and so i sent the tweet out just explaining. But the lies just started to add up. I mean it started out with disgracefully not shaking Nancy Pelosis hand. Then the blue collar boom when i represent a district that lost 4,000 General Motors jobs. You can go to the fox com deal in wisconsin. You can go to carrier in indiana. You can go to harleydavidson in that area. So he was lying, lawrence, and just the lies started to add up. You know, hes talking about the glorification of god. This is a guy who paid off porn stars because he was having sex with them when his wife was pregnant. I mean give me a break. I mean how much can a guy take sitting there listening to this stuff . And i just, you know, snuck out and went to facetime my 5yearold son before he went to bed. I think many members would agree with you on the democratic side that that was a better use of your time. I want to read you Seth Moultons tweet. Your tweet was 9 57 p. M. I think i misspoke and said 7 57. So thats about 50 minutes into the speech youd had enough of it. Seth moulton tweeted, i left the state of the union after trump, a draft dodger who mocked senator john mccain, gold star families and soldiers with trauma brain injury started talking about the good he has done for our military. As you know, of course, seth moult moulton, combat veteran, multiple tours of duty in combat and like yourself, a former president ial candidate. So you may have started a little bit of a stampede. Well, you know, we could go through, you know, and i heard Stephanie Ruhle on earlier talking about the economics. Obama had more job creation in the last three years than trump did in his first three years. We can go through the Prescription Drug deal. We can go through him talking about preexisting conditions and helping people on health care, which is absolutely ridiculous. But i think for me, hes a divider, you know . I mean the country wants to heal. The country wants to come together, democrats and republicans, and hes just dividing. There was that beautiful moment with the Tuskegee Airmen and the grandson. Beautiful moment, right . 30 seconds later hes going after immigrants. I mean, like stop. Just stop. The country wants to come together. Were tired of the fear. Were tired of the division. We want to heal. And hes throwing gasoline on all these cultural rifts and trying to benefit politically from them, which i think could be his undoing as we move into the fall. Congressman, i was going to ask you and you sort of alluded to it there, what you thought were the best moments of the approximately 50 minutes of speech that you saw . And i think youre citing the Tuskegee Airmen element of it, and that of course has absolutely nothing to do with any governing policy of Donald Trumps t. W trumps. It was just a little moment he was able to talk about. And its fine. The veteran coming in, the military officer coming in, thats a beautiful moment. I mean just like im not going to sit here and deny that. That was a beautiful moment. Weve seen those videos, those commercials of men and women coming back and surprising their kid at school, and if you dont get teared up and shed tears over that, youre not a human being. Of course thats a beautiful moment. But lie after lie after lie, you know, trying to pontificate on things that just blatantly arent true. Like, look, like i said, i wasnt trying to make a big deal about it. I was just done listening to it, and so i walked out. I had Better Things to do. Before you go, congressman, just the point that if youre going to reunite that sergeant with his family, its great that he did. But its kind of surprising that there wasnt any policy statement about the future of any right. Any other person, any other military personnel stationed in the middle east. Right. Not one word about them. Well, and the veteran suicide rate is still super high. You know, whats the new innovative policies trying to solve that problem . We have deaths of despair that are super high. We still have huge issues around Mental Health. Im all for you pumping yourself up at the state of the union, but we still have all of these challenges. What did he offer to bring us together to compete with china and all theyre doing economically, one belt one road, pushing into africa, blowing the doors off of Artificial Intelligence and additive manufacturing. I wont run the whole laundry list, but whats our strategy . This was truly run like a game show. Yes, there were some beautiful moments, you know, that were special, but the reality is the guy lied about everything. The guys trying to act like hes some saint, and hes paying off porn stars, and hes talking about a blue collar boom and factories are closing in ohio. Like im done. I can only take so much. Congressman tim ryan, thank you for sticking around and joining us tonight. Really appreciate it. Thanks, lawrence. Joining our discussion now, yamiche alcindor, the White House Correspondent for the pbs news hour. Rick stengel is with us, former undersecretary of state in the obama administration. Maria teresa kumar. Jonathan alter. And former republican congressman david jolly of florida, who has left the Republican Party. They are all msnbc analysts. And yamiche, let me start with you. Was there any part of the speech that you think we should be concentrating on . I think that the part of the speech that you should be concentrating on is probably when he gave that president ial medal of freedom to Rush Limbaugh because i think in that moment, it encapsulated both the cultural issues and the issues of President Trump kind of turning this into a Reality Tv Show. So it was a made for tv moment. Rush limbaugh was acting like he was surprised when of course Rush Limbaugh was the main person or one of the main voices who was saying that barack obama wasnt born in this country, which was really a racist conspiracy theory. So i think you have the president bestowing this award that rosa parks has won, that so many other great americans have won, that is really a polarizing thing. Of course republicans were cheering. Rush limbaugh recently said he has lung cancer. There are a lot of people in the Republican Party who love Rush Limbaugh. But for democrats and a lot of people, independents and africanamericans, hes just seen as someone who is the face of racism frankly. So i think that that was a moment that encapsulated this speech. It was a polarizing speech. I also think of course there are so many fact checks to get to. The one that ill say is that the president continued to say that immigrants are criminals when we know study after study has shown that undocumented immigrants commit less crimes than u. S. Citizens. Thats just been proven over and over again, and the president continues to make it seem as though these are stereotypical immigrants who are coming in and pillaging the country, which is just not true. And, david jolly, Rush Limbaugh gets the best supporting actor award because the first tweet that i saw saying he was going to get the medal of freedom was at 2 45 p. M. Today. He was sequestered. It leaked from the lunch the president had with some people in the news business, so it was Public Information for six hours before Rush Limbaugh pretended to be discovering it when the president said it in the speech. Who me was his look, right. A couple observations. Ive had the opportunity to be in the chamber about a dozen times for state of the Union Addresses. I think one of the reasons this one, you know, hit kind of hard particularly for democrats is most state of the Union Addresses, they include a bit of discussion about the state of the union as good. But its more a calling to an agenda. Its a calling to the nation, we need to do this on immigration, this on health care. Thats how the time is spent. Donald trump spent the first 20 minutes bragging. I mean it was obvious. It was true donald trump bragging about how great he is. And then every speech has something that defines it, whether its memorable or not. You know, bill clinton gave a state of the Union Address days after the Monica Lewinsky story broke. George bush had the axis of evil moment. Barack obama had a bit of a pin in a phone address admonishing congress. This one i think is the reality tv, the transition of the state of the union to reality tv. It was the Rush Limbaugh moment. It was the personally granting the opportunity scholarship to the young lady. It was the reuniting of the military family. And i think the other thing that was noticeably different was the solidarity of the opposition of democrats. You know, we all watched. Theres always on the president s partisan side, theres the cheering and on the other side its more muted. There were, for moments that would last 10 or 15 minutes, zero reaction from democrats, even on some simple things about acknowledging the value of Vocational Education or hcbus. There clearly was a determination by democrats not to affirm this president at any turn because they believed he was actually lying and being disingenuous about what he was bragging about. Maria teresa, david mentioned the little girl from philadelphia who is now being granted one of these School Vouchers basically that republicans champion. Very interesting infiltration of the language in that moment. This speech the president delivered, when hes talking about that little girls education, he never once uses the phrase public school. Right. What he calls them are government schools, and we know this party, the Republican Party, hates government. So they are no longer talking about trump world is no longer talking about public schools. Theyre talking about government schools and what he called failing government schools. Right. And theres a whole movement on the right that government schools are the indoctrination of liberal ideas into your child. So providing them with vouchers, then you can home schoolchildren. You can indoctrinate them in your own religious beliefs in a very different way. Theres a real issue thats going to come up front. But what really got me pause of this first of all, this was very much a hunger games president ial address, and it was very much divisive, but it was almost pulling the wool over americans eyes because it allowed people to feel that for a second we were unified. And i caution the democrats when they go after trump because hes doing exactly what he did in the 2016 election, when he took the issue of trade, when he took the issue of freedom from the democrats and wrapped himself around it. And tonight he talked about schools. He talked once again about health care. He talked about the environment, barely but he did enough. He also talked about trade, family leave. Hes starting also to siphon off and going after the africanamerican vote in a very real way. Lets not forget that in 2016 he took 8 of floridian africanamerican voters. Thats a lot when youre talking about margins. So i would caution the democrats to think that this was all sunk and that he was lying, lying, lying. Were in it. We talk about it every single day. We can actually fact check him live. But for people that want to pause to feel maybe the country is a little on track, he hit the points they want to hear to make them feel better tonight. Jonathan, he made history tonight before he even opened his mouth. The very first president running for reelection while in the middle of a Senate Impeachment trial in the senate, giving a state of the Union Address. We now have exactly one of those. Right. And he was able to create the suspension of disbelief that none of this is going on. It actually worked for him. Not a single reference about impeachment. Not a single reference. He is a master marketer, and he understands, as mark twain said, that a lie gets halfway around the world before the truth can get its boots on. Yep. And its one thing to lie in tweets and, you know, people are absorbing them at different times, and it goes through the news cycle. But when youre doing it repeatedly in realtime, and part of it is goebbels, the big lie f. Youre saying youre protecting people with preexisting conditions when youre in court trying to strip them of those protections at the same moment, thats not just a lie. Thats a big lie. What i think is scary for a lot of democrats is hes going to run a Big Lie Campaign all the way to the election. And on a certain level, unfortunately, lying works. People have busy lives. They cant go to the fact checks and find everything out, whats really true. And so this speech worried me, and i think you are going to see him get a bump in the polls out of it. Rick, your reaction to the speech. Im a little worried too. By the way, the goebbels idea is that familiarity seems like truthfulness to people when he repeats a lie over and over, it seems truthful. But i would also caution democrats too because we can go and fact check that speech and go through the whole thing, how many jobs he created versus obama, et cetera. But the problem is for democrats is that threequarters of americans think the economy is going in the right direction. Traditionally an incumbent president gets Something Like 80 of those voters. The thing thats different about trump is that he only gets 50 of the threequarter voters who think the economy is going in the right direction. The democrats have to peel those people off, and they have to peel more people off. We can quibble about the facts, but the economy is solid for a lot of americans who might vote for donald trump. The democrats have to reckon with that. Were going to take a break here. When we come back, we will have the response to the state of the Union Address, the unofficial response from congresswoman katie porter. When i got my dna results, it opened up so many doors. 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Get a bill on my desk, and i will sign it into law immediately. [ applause ] hr3, hr3, hr3. With unyielding commitment, we are curbing the opioid epidemic. Hr3 they were chanting. Joining us now is democratic congresswoman katie porter. She is a supporter of Elizabeth Warren for president. Congresswoman porter, hr3, i know you tried to shout it up to him. Im not sure he heard it. No. We hope the president will educate himself about what the house has already done with regard to Bipartisan Legislation to lower the price of Prescription Drugs. Hr3 did attract republican votes on the house floor. Its a strong bill. It would really help immediately address the price of Prescription Drugs. Its one of my top priorities. So for the president to say hell immediately sign Bipartisan Legislation if we send it to him, i think we as House Democrats wanted to remind him that we in fact in the house have reached across the island and passed bipartisan Prescription Drug legislation. Its his job to call on senator Mitch Mcconnell to vote on that legislation and then put it before the president for his signature. I want to show a picture that congressman mark desonnier tweeted. This is a picture of his guest that he brought to the state of the union tonight, isabel bueso. Viewers of rachels program and my program will remember her as someone who was threatened by President Trump with being deported even though shes in this country to receive lifesaving medical treatment. It took months of Television Coverage here and News Coverage and pushing by members of Congress Like yourself to change that trump policy. But i know many of you brought guests to the state of the union. Did you bring someone from your district in california . My state of the union guest was dr. Heather hudse, who is the chief psychologist at the Childrens Hospital of orange county. I am very committed to my bipartisan bill on Mental Health parity, making sure that private Insurance Companies are covering Mental Health in the same way as they do physical health. This is already part of federal law, but its not being enforced the way it needs to be. So families as a result are going out without Mental Health services. This is an issue for pediatric patients in particular, will you it also of course affects veterans, families of veterans, just a wide range of americans. Ultimately its a Public Health issue. What else would you looic to respo like to respond to the president about in this speech . One of the things i really noticed was what wasnt in the president s speech. It was a wide ranging speech and he felt free to reach out and grab on to topic after topic. What was notable to me is what he didnt talk about, which was corruption, which was tackling corruption, in his lingo, draining the swamp. Yet the House Democrats passed hr1. Its our marquee bill. Its our top priority dealing with corruption, the anticorruption provisions, Campaign Finance reform, making sure every american, regardless of their party preference, has the ability to vote, and the president completely ignored that issue. And given that that was such a prominent part of his campaign, it really stood out to me that he wasnt showing any interest in advancing that bill. Congresswoman katie porter, thank you very much for joining us tonight. Really appreciate it. And when we come back, the New Hampshire primary is now just a week away. Democratic president ial candidates are already in New Hampshire making the case for replacing donald trump. Into a smaller life . Are your asthma treatments just not enough . Then see what could open up for you with fasenra. It is not a steroid or inhaler. It is not a rescue medicine or for other eosinophilic conditions. Its an addon injection for people 12 and up with asthma driven by eosinophils. 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Watch what happened when they then went to these precinct sites, the daend candidates who didnt hit 15 , their supporters became free agents. They could go to other candidates. When that process played out amongst these precincts that is the wrong button. Lets try that again. Lets try that three times. I dont know what the oh, my god. Here we go. If you can remember, this is what happened the second time. Bernie sanders lead over Pete Buttigieg, it shrunk to one point. So buttigieg drew very close there, but still sanders led even after the reallocation process, and yet right now with nearly three quarters in, he continues to lead in the state delegate equivalent. It really is, its geographic distribution. This is a thing we talk about in National Politics a lot, but buttigieg basically is doing better in a lot of counties, a lot of precincts that get sort of more state Convention Delegates than their turnout, at least proportionally. So buttigieg is benefiting from that, and in terms of what we are waiting on right now, the bubbles here, you can see the giant bubble. The bigger the bubble, the more missing precincts. Des moines, thats the biggest one right now. Lets see whats happening there. Its dead even right now. Steve, thank you very much. Really appreciate it. Were going to take a break. We will be back with more on the 2020 president ial campaign, including the latest tracking poll of New Hampshire voters. There is an iowa bump for at least one candidate in New Hampshire. Well have that when we come back. Everything your trip needs, for everyone you love. Expedia. Instead of using aloe, or baby wipes, or powders, try the cooling, soothing relief or preparation h, because your derriere deserves expert care. Preparation h. Get comfortable with it. You clean dishes as you cook, to save time and stay ahead of the mess. But scrubbing still takes time. Now theres new dawn powerwash dish spray. 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Before we show you the latest boston globe tracking poll of New Hampshire voters, lets look at yesterdays boston globe tracking poll of New Hampshire voters before there were any results from iowa. Theres Bernie Sanders at the top at 24 . Joe biden solidly in second place. Elizabeth warren in a solid third place. Pete buttigieg down at 11 in fourth place. Thats yesterday. Now lets take a look at tonights boston globe tracking poll of New Hampshire released after 11 00 p. M. There is an iowa bump for Pete Buttigieg, who has moved up to second place, tied now with biden at 15 , who dropped three. Elizabeth warren dropped down three points from 13 down to 10 . And Bernie Sanders at 24 yesterday before the iowa results and at 24 tonight after the iowa results. Rick stengel, Bernie Sanders seems to be unmovable at the top of that poll. Well, maybe hes plateaued. I have to say my heart goes out to mayor pete because weve all covered Iowa Caucuses before. What we would have been used to last night is a headline of mayor pete blowing out of iowa beating the expectations game, being this fairhaired young man who comes out of iowa. He would have gotten an even bigger bump in New Hampshire, but of course it was submerged with the absurdity of what iowa did. Iowa, the caucuses have always been silly. Its reached a level now where there should never be an iowa caucus again as much as i love the people of iowa. Jonathan, big asterisk, i think, goes on the iowa results for the fact that the senators were locked up in an impeachment trial for two weeks, leaving the field to joe biden and Pete Buttigieg alone. Pete buttigieg really took advantage of it. Its also very bad news for biden when you consider how poorly he did even with those senators kept out of play. Bernie sanders, Elizabeth Warren stuck in washington. But buttigiegs score against Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and Amy Klobuchar really needs an asterisk when you consider what happened to them in that impeachment trial. Biden was really sucking wind in iowa. I went to a caucus last night outside des moines in urbandale, iowa, and the biden people got to viability by one vote. They just barely were viable. There were a small group of them in one corner, and all the energy was with sanders and warren and of course buttigieg. So he has a real problem, and hes going to have to retool his campaign to do something here. I think they know it. But, you know, when youre a former Vice President of the United States and youre whipped by a south bend, indiana, mayor, you got some rethinking to do. The other thing that was the expectation and everything is the expectations game now. Thats the whole thing. The expectation was that bernie was going to win, and there was actually a lot of fear in the Democratic Party that if he won iowa and New Hampshire, he would then be unstoppable. Thats not going to happen now. He will be in this all the way to milwaukee, but hes not going to create a juggernaut. That ended in iowa. And if he wins New Hampshire, people will go, well, hes from vermont, you know. Big deal. He won it the last time. So bernie has some things he has to prove when this moves to nevada and South Carolina. Maria teresa, bernie is the only one who ran in these races four years ago. Right. He got 49 in iowa just four years ago. He got half that last night, half that. Theres a myth about the solidarity of the bernie voter, that theyre attached to bernie and theyre never going to go anywhere. Half of them have already gone somewhere. I would pause for a second and say that i think bernie is going to be able to contest nevada in a very big way because that is the most geographically, demographically state that represents the rest of the country, meaning that he has a surge of young voters, of latinos and young africanamerican voters that quite frankly none of the other candidates have. But i do want to take a pause and say that we are speaking about Pete Buttigieg and the fact that he rose as perhaps either number one or number two and not remarking that hes the first openly gay, married american to take this. And that in itself is history. Recognizing that we as a country, for as difficult as we may be here, that we actually evolve, we change, we embrace, and we love. And now were not even really talking about it. Had this happened even ten years ago, it was basically, no, his candidacy was dead on arrival. So i applaud the fact that weve actually moved together as a nation. And on the bernie thing, i think that he remained flat. I was talking to a lot of voters in iowa over the weekend, and i do think that what was interesting was they were looking at biden really closely, but they were trying to figure out if he could actually make it to the finish line. And so the people who ended up winning was not just mayor pete but also Amy Klobuchar. Thats where the voters went. And the fact that she is Still Holding on, shes outraising Elizabeth Warren and many other folks, it would be interesting to see how she ends up. David, your reaction to what we saw last night oh, i guess we didnt see it until tonight, in iowa. Theyre finally getting some results and what were looking at in the tracking poll in New Hampshire. So with all due respect, i think its a fourway race. I think klobuchar might have just another state or two to go. Biden is going to face the wall in South Carolina. Thats going to be the test for biden if he can break through that. I always like to keep this in perspective. Id say dont worry about this mishap in iowa. This was 41 delegates. This is a delegate race as we saw in 2016. One month from now theres 1,400 delegates at stake on super tuesday. But i would also say keep an eye. This was a good week for the president. This was his launch of his reelection between being acquitted on the impeachment, having state of the union, and having a very competitive democratic primary that is still unsettled. The president is going to run on a tight message of creating jobs and killing terrorists. And if youre a democrat, i dont know that you want to spend much time trying to persuade democratic voters to come over. If you have five minutes, dont try to persuade a trump voter. Spend five minutes registering a new democratic voter because this is going to be a turnout election. If you can sustain the blue wave of 18 but still turn out more like you saw in the obama administration, any one of those four or five Democratic Candidates currently standing can beat donald trump in november. Rick, one of the, i think, largely unnoticed elements of your resume was that you were on bill bradleys president ial campaign in the primaries in 2000, challenging al gore as a frontrunner, coming in second. Whats it like coming into New Hampshire when you havent been successful in iowa . Its obviously the spot where you either catch up or you dont. Yes. I actually remember that plane ride from des moines to New Hampshire. I think we left a few minutes before the gore plane did, and we lost by a significant margin. That was a very, very long plane ride. And i well, no one had that plane ride last night because no one knew they lost. Yes. They were spared that. But what i also remember was working on a speech for senator bradley the next morning, and while i was still working on it, staying up all night, i saw al gore handing out donuts at a factory in nashua, and i thought why arent we out there. You know, its brutal for the candidates, and i do think going back to davids point and the others is that it really is its a crazy process. Only a tiny percentage of the delegates are selected during this tenday window, yet so much attention is based on it. Theyve spent so much money. The whole process has to change next time. I know i said that already but jonathan, what can you accomplish in seven days on the ground in New Hampshire, which all the candidates are going to have now . A lot. The New Hampshire voters dont care about iowa. Theres a long history of and obama won iowa, and then he lost New Hampshire. You know, Vice President bush, when he was running in 1988, he finished fourth in the Iowa Caucuses. He was a sitting Vice President. He was behind pat robertson, and in a week he turned it around. He beat bob dole, and he was on his way to the nomination. So the debate this friday in manchester is very important. It could change momentum. Theres a lot of weirdness always in New Hampshire. I mean Tulsi Gabbard has 5 . So Different Things can happen, and this thing is still up for grabs. I think a lot of folks think it will go all the way to milwaukee. We are going to have what for us has been kind of a dream as reporters. We may have, if not a brokered convention, at least a really competitive race right through. But i do think that the person that won on this fumble is bloomberg. I think bloomberg was calculating that he may have had to step himself out. But this fumble of the iowa caucus actually created an opening for him. But the other candidates want him because they dont think hes a very good candidate. I think he ended up staying longer than i think he had calculated. Were going to to break. 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Heres adam schiff yesterday, a day before the state of the Union Address, warning republican senators about how history will remember them. History will not be kind to donald trump. I think we all know that. Not because it will be written by never trumpers, but because whenever we have departed from the values of our nation, we have come to regret it. And that regret is written all over the pages of our history. If you find that the house has proved its case and still vote to acquit, your name will be tied to his with a cord of steel and for all of history. Joining us now, someone who might write some of that history, president ial historian and msnbc contributor jon meacham. Hes the coauthor of the book impeachment an american history, which republican senator Lamar Alexander was reportedly reading during the impeachment trial of donald trump. Thank you for joining us tonight. First of all, where do you rank adam schiff now in our 21st century political orators . Oh, hes an amazing political figure, a figure of remarkable advocacy. He took a largely inchoate rage about the incumbent president , which began before the 2016 election, and turned it into a coherent and, to many people not enough coherent and convincing case that the president had, in fact, violated his constitutional responsibilities. And i think people will be studying the schiff presentations in the senate for a long time. Lets listen to more from adam schiff where he talked to the republicans about who they are. Yeah. I do not ask you to convict him because truth or right or decency matters nothing to him, but because we have proven our case, and it matters to you. Truth matters to you. Right matters to you. You are decent. He is not who you are. Jon, what do you think when historians are looking at this period, surely they will find adam schiff as a very helpful framer of what theyre looking at. Thats right. And hes arguably the most he and Speaker Pelosi are arguably the most important voices of the reaction to the reaction, right . In many ways you can think of a modern america as having been founded in 1964 and 1965. I think thats one of the reasons were having so many difficulties is we had not tried to govern this particular pality until the Voting Rights act, the civil rights act, and the immigration act of 1965 which undid the National Quotas that had grown out of the klandominated 20s. So the america that rosa parks and Martin Luther king and john lewis and Lyndon Johnson helped build is the one that is moving inexorably in a particular demographic direction. The 2016 election in many ways was a ferocious reaction to that demographic reality. So if those were the founders, if parks, king, johnson, lewis are the founders of a modern america, trump is a reaction to it. Pelosi and schiff will be, in this narrative, as the people who were trying to be the guardians of the values that had been present at the creation of the 1965 america. And for the first time in history, future historians will come upon a state of the Union Address delivered by a president running for reelection while the jury is technically still out in his impeachment trial in the senate. What will they see in this state of the union . Well, you know this because youve written and created narrative. Sometimes you just thank god for making it all so easy, and this is one of them. This is a night that this is a week really, a couple of days where you dont really have to work very hard. I hate to say that because of course what we do is very hard. But you have the impeachment unfolding. You have the medal of freedom, which was popularized, as you know, by john kennedy at Daniel Patrick moynihans recommendation as a sign of a kind of arift tillian excellence, that kennedy sense that he wanted to honor courage and excellence in the modern era. Its given to the absolute apothio sis of reflexive partisanship in Rush Limbaugh. So you have the medal of freedom being an emblem of the new frontier being given to the central architect of a reflexively partisan culture in the midst of a state of the union that had nothing to do with union and had to do with trumps political state as all that unfolds. So i think when we write the history of this era, some of this stuff will come pretty easily. And not even any veiled reference to impeachment tonight. I was struck by that. I thought there would be a wink or a smirk, and he just kept rolling. I mean i think the reference actually was a nonverbal one. I think it was the failure to shake the hand of the speaker of the house. I think that was the reference. It was the first thing, and it clearly set a tone for the entire evening, and really the entire era, right . Lets not be sentimental. America has been ferociously divided before. Whats different about this is really from 1933 to 2017, we had a kind of figurative conversation between a world represented by fdr and one represented by ronald reagan. That was a coherent conversation, right . We dealt with the relative role of the state in the marketplace, the relative projection of force against commonly agreed upon foes and rivals. This is not a sequential chapter to that. Jon meacham, thank you very much for joining us tonight. I really appreciate it. Thanks, lawrence. Joy reid will continue coverage next. Alexa, tell me about neptunes sorrow. Its a masterstroke of heartache and redemption. The lexus nx. Modern utility for modern obstacles. Lease the 2020 nx 300 for 359 a month for 36 months. Experience amazing at your lexus dealer. 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What do you believe the president has learned . The president has been impeached. Thats a pretty big lesson. And caucus chaos. New numbers out of iowa, more than 24 hours after polls closed. Yet we still cant declare a winner but that didnt stop Pete Buttigieg from doing it for us. A campaign that some said should have no business even making this attempt has taken its place at the front of this race. Good evening, and welcome to okay, i honestly dont know what to call what you saw tonight. I promise you we are going to get all the new iowa caucus news breaking as we speak. That is in just a moment. Lets just suss feist to it say donald trump, the impeached president used it as a captive audience in the joint chiefs of staff to construct his own reality. Or maybe more accurately his own reality show in which he is the benign father figure to black children rather than the administrations who taking brown children from their parents and caging them and pitched himself as the champion of the military when hes literally siphoning money away from military schools to pour money into his wall to keep immigrants out. A wall he promised his base that mexico would pay for. Just last week trump downplayed the injuries to more than 50 american troops after a bombing in iraq as mere headaches. He has attacked gold star parents but tonight he is the militarys champion. Donald trump who portrayed himself as the savior of black and brown people complete with human visuals not as a pitch to black voters but make his base feel selfrighteous about supporting him. The same president whose immigration policies together black and brown and muslim immigrants and his latest ban includes nigeria, africas largest country yet in his Reality Tv Show tonight he is not just benign, he is benevolent. He claimed to have created a working class boom when we know that under his tariffs a rising number of farmers are literally on well their. And the manufacturers he promised to bring back are closing their doors. Trump even had the gall to claim it was he or who created the protection for preexisting conditions which he fighting in the Supreme Court to overturn. Well have more on that later in the show. The Senate Gallery sunded more like a trump rally than hallowed hall answer includes republican senator was will be trumps jury tomorrow at his impeachment trial which was triggered by donald trump selling out the National Security interests of his own country to try and cheat to win reelection. Tonight donald trump blatantly lied and lied and lied to the howling hoots of republicans and to the shock and disgust of everyone who has been following this administration with even cursory attention including the father of a Parkland Student who died in the kind of gun violence donald trump lied tonight about trying to end. I think Speaker Pelosi spoke for every democrat in the room and a lot of people watching at home with her reaction when this Reality Tv Show performance was finally over. At least 11 Democratic House members decided to boycott tonights state of the Union Address. One of them was congressman al green who tweeted earlier today, because of an impeached reckless, ruthless, lawless, shameless, corrupt and unapologetically bigoted president i will not attend the state of the union. Joining me now is congressman al green. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for having me. Im greatly appreciative you would allow me and may i compliment you on your summary, it was stellar and on point, in fact, its the kind of thing that we need to hear more of. Thank you so much. It was a mental exercise putting that together. I wonder if having not attended did you listen or watch the speech. I did but i chose not to attend because im protesting the president s behavior. The president is still the same person who said that there were shole countries and all the phobias we detest in charlottesville and still want to ban people that are of the muslim persuasion and as you indicated gone to add nigeria to the list and ill continue to protest. More than one member of congress particularly congress men also didnt attend. Maxine waters did not attend. She and i were earlier. She has been a champion if i may say so in terms of dealing with the issues associated with the president s behavior especially his discrimination and he tends to want to pick on people of color, especially black, women of color. Hes been sanctioned by the house for doing it. The honorable max seen waters is a brilliant woman. For him to say she has a low i. Q. Is something i detest greatly and would want people to understand we cannot tolerate this type of behavior from the president. The president uses incivility to trach advantage of our civility. When he approacheds speaker tonight and she extended the hand of friendship and he literally rejected it and turned his back on her, he set a tone for the evening. I dont know how she quite frankly was able to suppress some of what she had to be thinking as he was going through the evening with all of this insidious prevarications. I just admire her for what she was able to do and withstand it. I have to ask you what you thought of, i was getting a lot of texts from africanamerican family and friends as he was visually using a tug keying by airman, his grandson, young africanamerican girl and her mom and using a lot of black and brown people to visualize his beneve lens. What did you make of it . He said, theres my black guy or im tempted to say some other things but he mentioned that person at his rally. He seems to see us as chattels that he can use when appropriate but he doesnt have a genuine concern. He tends to want to find ways to separate us and to contend thats being helpful with his judicial reform. Hes done very little. I went along with it but theres much more to be done but he only wants to do enough so that he can claim some degree of victory with black people. I dont think well be deceived. I do think that he will be defeated and i think black people are going to come out in huge numbers at the polls to demonstrate to the president that we are not going to be suckered, taken in by his phony overtures of wanting to be of help to us and if i may add this, the president talks a lot about the stock market, joy, and how great its doing. But what about the supermarket . What about the people who have to go in and they have to decide whether they can buy some food as opposed to the food they need for their familys . There are people who are working two jobs to have a living wage. No one should work full time in this country and live below the poverty line and thats whats going on. I believe this president has corrupted society. He corrupted the house of representatives. He has his minions in the house who went out of their way. Mr. Nunes went out of the way to aid and abet him and the senate, the person who is a metaphorically chair of the grand jury, mr. Mcconnell who is the chair of the grand jury, the leader of the senate, he has met with the president and decided that hes going to work with the president , coordinate with the president. What in what state, county or city would we want a grand jury foreperson to work with a defendant in litigation . This is upside down and we cannot tolerate it. Weve got to fight it and one of the ways we fight it is to stay away and protest this state of the union. Congressman al grind, thank you so much for your time. Really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you very much. And joining me is chief Public Affairs represent for move. Org and maria, president and ceo of voter latino. And from washington philippe, as well as e. D. G. E. Dion, sclum cot for the Washington Post. You worked for president obama. Can you imagine the idea of a president of the United States essentially doing a fiction or a reality show but reality shows arent based on reality either. Theyre scripted. This was stunning to me. I wonder your thoughts. It is stunning but heres the thing when, it comes to moments like this with donald trump, the cake is pretty much baked in. People who love him love him and people who dont, the 60 of americans believe he is a liar and dont agree with what hes saying. He is running for reelection. Thats what that was. That was a pitch. See, the thing that we have to remember is when it comes to this election in 2020, his reelection he has to get a royal flush, that 270 he got, 270 plus he got last time. He cant mess it up. When you look at michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania and look at the Tuskegee Airmen he brought in. The young black girl that he kind of, you know, put up with a voucher talking about the voucher, hes trying to reach to those white voters in those three states and look like, oh, you know what, im not as racist as you think. Im more acceptable. Thats what hes doing and this is the play that theyre putting out there. Theyre not trying to expand their base really. Theyre not trying to open up. It was a very divisive speech but thats what well get from him. We know that. So theyre trying to be strategic and trying to figure out how do we get to that 270 . How do we make sure we get those states that we did in 2016. David, its quite a thing, when you put a tug keying by airmen and his grandson, a little black girl, latino families and Rush Limbaugh who, listen, i hope he recovers fully. My mother pass rad way from cancer. It is a curse in this world. And, you know, i really do wish him well in terms of his health but he is not exactly somebody who is kind to black people and has been unkind to the children, the children of president s. Hes been vicious to barack obama. To put those two people together and essentially say to his base, you, look at how kind i am to these black and brown people. Why dont they appreciate me and, hey, let me slap the medal of freedom on Rush Limbaugh in the same speech. I think it was so triggering to everyone i know who are people of color texting me like 47 texts in here. I wonder what you think of somebody in the party and this is what you were in, this business. Donald trump is not a man of moral compass nor moral consistency. What is surprising the Republican Party that has given him permission to try to have these moments. Ive worked with the congress for about 25 years. Ive been in the chamber 10 to 15 times for state of the Union Addresses and i think what caught people off guard tonight whether they recognized what was ditch or not, the first thing is that most states of the union are a call to action. You know, about a National Agenda around health care or education or immigration. His first 20 to 30 minutes was bragging. It was look at everything ive done, celebrate me. Putting down president obama. In contrast putting down his predecessor which you dont see that you havent seen that before. The other the addresses that get remembered, its because they have something to them, what happened on this one and you use the word reality tv, in addition to just highlighting people in the gallery, he used the moment to give the medal of freedom to award an opportunity scholarship which may have some ethical questions by the way with him doing that. To do the family the family reunification, so was it a belittling of the annual state of the union that he took those moments to do that . Or was he making it kind of not the common mans state of the union but something that most people may now watch as opposed to, you know, the more formal addresses, but i think at the end of the day what we saw from the president was the kickoff to his campaign and for democrats, this is the message youre going to have to defeat. This is a strong week for the president being acquitted. Seeing a tight race coming out of iowa with four or five viable candidates, democratic primary unsettled and tonight he had the capture of the political world and this is his message, its going to be i created jobs and i killed terrorists. So democrats, youre forewarned. He tried to oneup president obama. This person, he tried to specifically describe to america to try to make him equal to president obama. The medal of freedom was a medal that was give ton rosa parks who by the way her birthday was yesterday so the night that he delivered that is just absurd. Fred guttenberg couldnt even stay in the room. He ended up getting up and speaking out and other members of congress walked out. And fred, he lost his daughter in the parkland shooting and this president stood in front of americans and said well protect your guns but not our children and i would really caution because i think the way that he televised this i felt like it was the hunger games. It was you should be grateful to me but im not really giving you anything and the challenge to democrats when you look at every single point, trade, Health Care Even though hes getting sued and education and talked about venezuela and issues that traditionally would be democratic issues and hes looking to siphon people off. Hes going specifically after the young africanamericans, men. Hes not getting black women. Hes not getting latina women but the challenge in florida in 2016 he gained 8 of africanamerican men in florida. Real margins. We who are watching this can fact check him live all the time but for someone who feels very uncomfortable and is tired of having these conversations, is kind of worn out maybe were not so that is a challenge. Thats what we have to be very, very cautious of how this is how this lands tomorrow because otherwise theres going to be a bigger split in the party and its not just going to be along white Democratic Women in this case and Rural America its going to be among other people of color. I have to say, it was hard to stomach because i know how divisive he is, how much hes lied. How painfully hes divided the la toon know community, africanamerican community. How people feel endangered in these communities every day. What he delivered was made for tv. Democrats arent as good at that. Shes a wonderful woman. Very quickly, i want to get in my remote guest. E. J. Dionne, they essentially will certify he can do whatever he wants and his articles those people hooting and hollering as if he were a monarch. It was really look, partisans always applaud their president. But i thought they were going to hurt their legs or knees they got up and down so much to give him enormous cheers and i think the republicans are having a hard time explaining their votes when Susan Collins says hes learned his lesson and later in the day he says, no, my call was perfect. I mean this is very disturbing. On that speech, it is i think the most partisan state of the union i have ever heard and the bragging was amazing. He had so many groups with wages going up, i thought at one point he was going to say, girls with pigtails and boys with buzz cuts have seen their wages go up. But i think Maria Theresa made an important point, he will try hard to neutralize democratic issues and i guess my favorite moment was when he said ill sign a bill to hold down Prescription Drug prices and those democrats stood up and started yelling hr3 the bill they passed to do that that Mitch Mcconnell is putting in his freezer in the senate. 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Youve been through the iowa caucus, you know, tango before, what do you make of the strategy of coming out and saying, i won, before you know you won . That was Pete Buttigiegs strategy. I think it was pretty smart and as it turns out he might have been right. Look, you know, what happened in iowa, its not that iowa made a mistake. Iowa is a mistake and you didnt need them to have a technical snafu or phone snafu to realize that the moment you turn on the tv and you see these caucus sites, it is even worse than you imagined when you see that iowa is 86 white or New Hampshire is 90 white. I didnt see a Single Person of color anywhere. It is not representative. It is exclusionary and can be intimidating for those there with spouses, exspouse, bosses, colleagues and i got to tell you, i think there is a Silver Lining here that maybe this is finally the death knell to it. To go back to your question about who sdpoek what iowa is most proud of itself of is that theyre the grim reaper. Every four years they claim several candidates they end candidacies and have done that forever more and taken two, three, four in the week after the republican nominations in 2004, 2008, 2012, 2016, same with the democratic side and thats over. Its great when you put up the graphic to see that those four people and senator klobuchar who were coming into the iowa caucus are coming out of the iowa caucus, that they will be competing in New Hampshire. That this odd stranglehold that the caucus has on our entire process hopefully is coming to an end. It certainly didnt end anyones candidacy yesterday. Jamil, i think that is clear. One winner is somebody that wasnt in the race who is julian castro. Here is what tom perez said. He said what happened last night should never happen again. We have staff working around the clock to assist the Iowa Democratic party to ensure that all votes are counted. Its clear that the app in question did not function adequately and will not be used in nevada or anywhere else during the primary election process. The Technology Vendor must provide absolute transparency as to what went wrong. There is a lot of gizmoism but not a lot of understanding how to get human peoples to vote or disverse coalitions, those who put obama in office come out and vote or can vote. I think im a little encouraged by the fact theres urgency behind addressing the technological problems. Certainly the republicans are busy trying to actually implement a lot of these kind of techny logical issues to disenfranchise voters. What we do know its estimated only about 170,000 people came out to caucus and thats much lower than the 2016 total and even lower than the 2008 total of around 240,000. And so what is that attributable to . Iowans saying ill vote blue no matter who shows up and 90 white state saying, hey, this isnt really my bag and i dont really have skin in the game so im not going to be as enthusiastic about this race as say black and latino electorates or what philippe was saying, about an inherently democratic process, you know, essentially coming to a really terrible and really awful end. Let me just pop back to philippe and come to the table. Thats a good question because, you know, the way i read it, you know, sort of mono racial state. There are black people there. I keep saying my sister was born there in des moines. But there are black people in des moines, brown people in des moines. We met them. In a state that is kind of mono racial its a focus group of what white voters think. Democrats need to get real bat fact that a lot more voters are content with donald trump than they want to deal with. What are your thoughts . Im glad you said real. What ive been think something the tie together. The various components youve been talking about, iowa caucus, state of the union and almost certain acquittal tomorrow is that, yes, the state of the union had a Reality Tv Show aspect to it but i think at this point we are looking at reality and the reality is is that this election is Donald Trumps to lose. It is harder to get the office than to lose it. He has a lot of history on his side and has a lot of circumstances on his side whether economic or otherwise and jamil is right, 170,000 people showing up is problematic and, you know, everyone says that donald trump doesnt make any attempt whatsoever to grow his pie. He doesnt have to. Their playbook in 2020 is their 2016 playbook. Theyre going to run the same exact thing, same exact states and to go to your question about race and everything he was pandering and just being hypocritical about in the speech, part of that win in michigan and in wisconsin was suppressing the black vote, particularly black men who did not come out in numbers they historically had and not for they had for obama. And if that is what theyre doing again, weve got to do what we did in 2018 again which is just flood the zone with people voting like theres no tomorrow. Whats sad is that voting used to be an aspiration for both parties, now the republicans voting is their enemy, registration is their enemy. They cant win without suppression, without gerrymandering and if we dont, not to sound like a poster child for register to vote. Thats how well win because were not going to convince the people in those states that were lilly white and the window youre talking about. We just have to run up the numbers like we did in 2018. 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In a state of the union that provided a preview of his 2020 election message donald trump launched an attack on Health Care Plans and raised the red flag of socialism and repeated the lie he fighting to take away 30 million Peoples Health care is the real protector of preexisting conditions which is what obamacare protects. Lets throw ourselves out there by putting out facts. The wall street journal, the Rupert Murdoch owned wall street journal reports theyre backing a lawsuit right now as we speak that seeks to invalidate the Affordable Care act and its coverage guarantee for, wait for it, those with preexisting conditions. Ive also made an ironclad pledge to american family, we will always protect patients with preexisting conditions. And we will always protect your medicare and we will always protect your Social Security always. Joining our panel is former republican congressman carlos c carvallo of florida. Come on, man. Youre from the state where more people other than, you know, maybe pennsylvania and arizona and nevada are on medicare and social media. Donald trump is literally in court trying to take away obamacare, medicaid. It takes a lot of i dont know what to turn around and say youre protecting it. Your thoughts . Yeah, joy, the republicans and the president know that health care was a major reason why republicans lost in suburban america in 2018, lost their House Majority and why some of these same swing state republican senators will be exposed so thats why the president is raising it in a way that is inconsistent with what some of his allies in the house actually demanded in the last congress which was to alter the replacement bill that it did raise questions as to whether or not it would continue covering people with preexisting conditions so i think this is a rye jackson to 2018. Maybe trying to get ahead or confused voters in some way of what the administrations efforts might be with regards to health care but certainly my recommendation to republicans would be dont talk health care. Its a loser for republicans and that was demonstrated in the last election. Yeah, ask matt bevin how that worked out. Lets go through this. The top issues among likely democratic voters, 48 said health care, Climate Change and goes down from there and here is donald trump really honing on what i think is the way that hes going to try to come at health care in a way that Republican Voters will dig. Here he is talking about health care tonight in the state of the union. Forcing american taxpayers to provide unlimited Free Health Care to illegal aliens sounds fair to you, then stand with the radical left but if you believe that we should defend american patients and american seniors then stand with me and pass legislation to prohibit free Government Health care for illegal aliens. Always got to bring it back to the immigrants. You bring it back to the immigrants. Thats what hes doing, trying to use brown people as a way to get white republicans to be okay with him taking away their health care. The president did reveal what is going to be his reelection strategy. Hard core Republican Base issues and some of the soft issues, education, criminal justice reform. In this case he mixes two and takes a soft issue, health care and tries to cast himself and some republicans in a favorable light and then mixes that with immigration. Two issues that really arent related but thats the president trying to keep the passion of his base, of his most ardent supporters while trying to reach towards the middle because they know an all base strategy is risky. It just barely worked in 2016 and there were a lot of unique circumstances in that election so you see some defense and some offense at the same time from the president in that quote. Yeah, brown skin they go to it every time. Heres what he thinks about health care. I want to play it and ask david jolly on the other side of it. Here he is saying too much on cnbc. Entitlements ever be on your plate . At some point they will be. We have tremendous growth. Well have tremendous growth. This next year itll be toward the end of the year, the growth will be credible and at the right time we take a look at that. Thats the easiest of all things if you look. Youre willing to do some of the things you wouldnt do in the past though in terms of look, we have assets we never had. We never had growth like this. Never had a consumer taken to a different means over 10,000 a family. We had never had the kind of things that we have. You know, david jolly for awhile matt bevin was able to convince kentucky voters him getting rid of obamacare was him literally not taking their health care care. They booted him. Will floridian voters who are seniors figure out that donald trump is trying to use brown scare to take their medicare and cut their Social Security . I dont think they will if they listen to donald trump because he tells you what you want to know or what you want to hear. Hell tell the crowd im not touching medicare. And then take it. If hes at davos or talking to a financial crowd he says we have to touch these. The challenge for democrats is do you spend time trying to educate the nation our president is a liar or do you spend time focusing on the priorities that define you as a party. Your Health Care Vision because i think that is more powerful and as carlos said health care is a losing issue for republicans but you dont need to tell the voter the rests line about health care. Democrats need to stand on the printles they believe in that will resonate. Maria teresa, theyll get republicans for this eventually. Will we see the turnout in this president ial election. What were seeing right now i will share with you, we started our Voter Registration program for the primary for the very first time january 1 and in less than four weeks we registered 35,000 folks in time for primaries. Weve never seen that surge. I do not have to convince latinos they are threatened. What i have to convince them to do is participate in the electoral process. I dont have to convince a young person Climate Change is real. I have to make sure they register to do something about it. The whole thing about giving undocumented immigrants into health care, i want them there. The reason we want them there, they are disproportionately younger than the rest than the majority of americans so if you think of basically when you pay into the Health Care System its like costco. The more who buy in the lower your prices are. Theyre 15, 20 years younger than the average american. Your cost is going to go down. You want them there or pay for them in the er. You pay for them either way. 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Week she returned to Susan Collins form. Hemming and hawing before doing whatever Mitch Mcconnell and the trump base want her to do. She announced, surprise, surprise, she will vote to acquit. She even took it a step further saying with exactly zero evidence that she believes that donald trump has learn the his lesson. I believe that the president has learned from this case. What do you believe the president has learned . The president has been impeached. Thats a pretty big lesson. But the president says he did nothing wrong. Why do you think he learned something . He was impeached and there has been criticism by both republican and Democratic Senators of his call. I believe that he will be much more cautious in the future. Trump was asked about senator collins comments the Washington Post reports he said what you knew he would say and by now Susan Collins should know that he would say. He said it was a perfect call. Yep. Lesson learned, susan. The panel is back with me next. 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If you have found him guilty and you do not remove him from office, he will continue trying to cheat in the election until he succeeds. In the very same building that donald trump delivered his first state of the Union Address since being impeached the senate is expected to acquit him tomorrow. And tonight the republican members of the jury who swore an oath to do impartial justice upon donald trump applauded him over and over and over again dear leader style. Josh gerstein joins our discussion. I want to read from another entity the New York Times an article about the republicans complete sense of control by donald trump. Donald trumps control of Senate Republicans is nearly complete. Senate republicans made it clear they see their fortunes and futures intertwined with the president s and not willing to rock the 2020 beat. Does that match your reporting . There are still a few resisting aspects of the president s agenda and approach thinking of senator Lisa Murkowski made some comments bemoaning what she called the apotheosis of abdication that congress wasnt standing up for its rights. What will she do about that. She was given the opportunity to have witnesses and maybe with her have put it close to happening and might have led o some other republicans across the line and decided not to step up and do that. We also saw with senator Susan Collins she said, well, she might have been in favor of censure but didnt like the way the house handled the process. Well, you know, what is how the house handled the process have to do with whether the president deserves to be censured or not. So there are these disconnects in the statements by even those republicans who seem to be struggling a little bit with what the president did. You know, karine, the word is cow war d cowardice. Bemoaning the apotheosis. Are you kidding . Theyre so loyal to him, donald trump, hes not going to be loyal to any of them and as he was speaking as you mentioned earlier they were like four more years, some who are up for reelection wont get six more years. Voters are not stupid. They are paying attention. We were in iowa, voters on the ground, they were paying attention to the impeachment trial. They understand that if you have a trial you need witnesses. And there were no witnesses. This was a sham of a trial and i do believe many of those senators that are up for reelection in november are not going to make it. You talked about ben sasse earlier saying those making the justification, he tripped on the ground donald trump would not put a tiny hand out to help him up. Congress is full of members of congress and the senate that do everything they can to avoid doing their job because its easier to face reelection without making hard decisions. When you find yourself in the moment in the impeachment of donald trump, senators, this is on you when it happens again. What adam schiff was able to do in that closing speech which is remarkable in politics, there is a saying dont wrest wildcat a pig, youll just get slop all over you, adam schiff was able to go right at donald trump and keep the air of a statesman and the most compelling part of his statement was this, what he said, donald trump is a bad guy and hes going to keep doing bad things and you though that and if you allow him to keep doing bad things this is on you. He delivered that without getting the slop on him. He did it in a very statesmanlike way because it was full of truth. Im told by the brilliant person the end sentence of the end part of that and the pig likes it. Lets go over to you know, because the thing that is sort of watch the republicans have shac shame about it. Theyre trying to justify it. They try to because i think many are up for reelection, oh, shoot, this could cost me my job. You had Lamar Alexander who has no job to go to. He could have done the right thing. What is happening with the Republican Party is that they do see demographic changes quickly so they are trying to solidify power for as long as they can even if it means subverting the constitution. Even if it means subverting our possibility of what were doing as a country. Its shameful because they are allowing corruption into our system. And we are the ones that go around and monitor corruption for the rest of the world. We want to make sure the checks and balances and now that system we are breaking and who are they how are we going to be able to go into negotiating tables and say, no, you cannot be corrupt. Josh, any fear among any of these members that mar think mcsally displeases donald trump and snags himself foreign information on her and uses it against them . Any of them worried about that . I think a lot of them behind the scenes privately will tell you theyre worried about all kinds of aspects of the president s behavior. In terms of their public positions as congressmen jolly was saying were looking at what the previous Republican Administration used to call a bunch of dead enders here. These are folks that are in for a dime, in for a dollar with the press. The folks who would peel off have really already gotten off the train and these folks seem determined to stay on the train regardless of the road signs or the red lights and regardless of the cars and trucks that seem to be parked in the crossing just ahead. Absolutely. Lamar alexanderer, Lisa Murkowski, this is what youre going to be known for. Donald trump, thats it. Your loyalty to him. Thank you all. Thank you guys for watching. Msnbc coverage continues after a very brief break. As a struggling actor, i need all the breaks that i can get. At liberty butchemel. Cut. Liberty mu. Line . Cut. 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