This show following two major breaking news stories as you well know by now. A monumental battle shaping up after the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg, news coming from the white house and capitol hill including a first glimpse at a frontrunner the president may be thinking about. Meanwhile, america is mourning the woman they came to know as the notorious rbg. Coming up ill talk to someone who wrote one of the definitive books on Justice Ginsburg. The other major story we are following, because a lot is happening right now, a very grim milestone in the covid crisis. 200,000 people have died from the coronavirus in this country, a number that is by far the highest in the world. More on that in a couple minutes. First, we begin with the latest from capitol hill where it is all happening right now. Republicans led by Senate Majority leader Mitch Mcconnell less than 24 hours after the death of Justice Ginsburg are planning to press ahead and fill the Supreme Court vacancy. Democrats are scrambling to stop them and that is putting it lightly. Mcconnell in a letter last night telling gop senators who are unsure about filling a vacancy inside an Election Year to, quote, keep your powder dry, thats what mcconnell said. Well go to capitol hill now. So good to see you on this saturday. Under pretty tough circumstances to say the least. A lot to cover this morning. Take us through it. Where are we with leader mcconnell and what he has been saying over the last 24 hours or so . Reporter absolutely. First i want to say im honored to be your first guest on your new show. Congratulations. Getting back to less happy news is this fight that is brewing on capitol hill thats going to be taking place in the senate. Yes, Senate Majority leader mcconnell did say he was going to go forward with any sort of nomination. He didnt give exactly a specific timeline and theres one crucial marker here and that is election day. It is widely expected that he is going to at least start the process, hold hearings on whoever this nominee might be, before election day, but he might not actually hold the vote until after election day. Of course, those discussions are happening. It depends on how everything plays out. Regardless, democrats are doing everything they can to try to push back. They dont have any ability to stop it but theyre going to be very tough in the messaging game and they just got off a Conference Call moments ago where they talked about this. They are planning to use the election to make a stark show a stark contrast between the republicans and the democrats and what sort of court they want. Theyll talk about the Affordable Care act, how that could be gutted in a more conservative court. Theyll talk about abortion, lbgt rights, climate change, all these things that are so important to democratic voters. Also one other thing that Senate Democratic leader schumer told his members is that all bets are off. Nothing is off the table. And what democratic aides are telling me is what that could mean is that if democrats win control of the senate, in november, next year they could move to expand the number of seats on the Supreme Court, yasmin. Big news there. Well be talking about that throughout the hour. Thank you. Stay close. If anything does develop i know youll check back in with us. So this morning the president tweeted a message to the gop, saying, they are in a position of power to make decisions. One of the most important of those decisions is this eselection of Supreme Court justices and urged action on that, quote, as he puts it, without delay. Nbc News White House correspondent Geoff Bennett is joining us with brand new reporting. So good to see you on this saturday afternoon. Thank you. So much happening here. As was perfectly set up for us, a fight is ensuing in washington right now over the Supreme Court justice and this seat in particular. And of course now hearing from this president and hearing there is no delay, he is going to move forward with a Supreme Court justice nominee, you have new reporting, my friend, on who those names might be. Talk us through it. Reporter yes. And we should say, yasmin, the president and Senate Republicans are pushing forward even though we reported last night that Ruth Bader Ginsburgs dying wish was for the next president to name her replacement. But we are told by sources familiar that the president could as early as tuesday when the Senate Reconvenes name his pick to replace the late justice. The reporting that ive done and my colleagues have done, we have now happened upon the shortest of short lists. At the top of the list were told is judge amy coney barret. If the name sounds familiar it is because she was on the short list when President Trump sought to replace Anthony Kennedy and ultimately now Justice Brett kavanaugh. She is a devout catholic considered a superstar of the religious right. She is an ardent abortion opponent and there are even republicans who think that could be a complicating factor in her confirmation process if she is nominated because you have those republicans, like Susan Lisa Murkowski rather and Susan Collins who might not be inclined to vote for her. Also on the list you also have an appeals judge on the 11th circuit. If her name sounds familiar to anybody it is because she represented elan gonzalez in his asylum case decades ago. She is connected to floridas immigrant community. You also see there an appeals judge on the sixth circuit considered to be a favorite of Senate Majority leader Mitch Mcconnell. We could find out as early as this week who the president has ultimately settled on. Geoff, you obviously cover the white house extensively. You know the tick tock of the president and the administration and you try and figure out why they do what they do and the decisions they make along the way. So i think the big question here is the strategy. What theyre going to do moving forward. Are they going to try and nominate and push forward before november 3rd or do they hold out until after november 3rd so that you can see the president on the stump saying, go out. Vote for me. Because im going to get a conservative Supreme Court justice to replace Justice Ginsburg. I think thats it. I think the reporting from the hill is spot on. What you will probably see is the president nominate someone as early as this week and they may hold off on the floor vote until after the election. Of course, that becomes even more fraught if republicans lose the white house and senate in the election and they try to push through a nominee in the lame duck. But what it does is it gives this president Something Else to talk about other than the mishandled Coronavirus Response as this country now surpasses 200,000 dead americans. It also gives him Something Else to talk about rather than the economy or his relationship to this sort of National Moment of racial reckoning. We should also say this white house, this president in particular, when it comes to the Supreme Court really out sources the decision making. So it is the Federalist Society that has come up with this list of nominees that President Trump has effectively rubber stamped and the president has also out sourced all the details to Mitch Mcconnell. So it comes down to what Mitch Mcconnell thinks is best for his caucus. He doesnt certainly want to endanger any more republicans in those tough races than he has to. So one of the reasons why the few areas where this president has been able to push through these nominations without any real issues from republicans anyway is because he is not really involved in it. Its been Mitch Mcconnell, the Federalist Society, his handlers that have really made these last two nominations. Gorsuch and kavanaugh ultimately successful. The big question now is are democrats going to pivot in the run up to the election, away from the coronavirus and the president s response or lack thereof and talk more about the fight for the Supreme Court . That i think is one of the major questions well be revisiting throughout this hour. Reporter or focus on all of it, right . Exactly. Especially as we just surpassed this grim milestone of 200,000 deaths. Thank you for joining me on my inaugural show. Royte gre reporter great to see you. Well do more on the death of Justice Ginsburg and the political fall out but i want to go to the other big news i mentioned. The United States has reached this very sad milestone in its battle against covid. Over 200,000 americans have died as a result of this pandemic. Adjoining me now to discuss the latest a latest are my guests. Morgan, i want to turn to you first here. You are reporting live from dallas, texas. Where coronavirus cases continue to swell. Talk to us about really the enormity of this loss here. Reporter yasmin, this is a milestone that when it was initially given back in the spring a lot of people called it unfathomable to ever hit this number. It was the high end that a lot of people thought that if everyone did everything just right we would never hit and yet here we are with a fall season, a winter season ahead of us that doctors are incredibly concerned about from a virus spread standpoint and were still not that much closer to a vaccine, with President Trump making a promise that there could be a hundred million doses available by end of this year where every american could get one but the cdc director also saying that it is not going to be widely available until late in the second or Third Quarter of 2021. I want to go back just so you can hear the words straight out of dr. Birx mouth back in march whenever she gave that warning on what could happen if things didnt get better. Take a listen. If we do things together, well, almost perfectly, we could get in the range of 100,000 to 200,000 fatalities. We dont even want to see that. Reporter so now weve hit the 200,000 mark. Here in texas specifically the state reopening to 75 capacity on monday for restaurants and other businesses and there are several areas within the state that are not reopening to that capacity, yasmin, specifically because the coronavirus is still an incredible threat, particularly in south texas where weve seen a population there of low income families being incredibly susceptible to the virus and Health Care Workers working with limited resources to try and contain it right now. Texas in and of itself has more than 700,000 confirmed cases, 15,000 deaths. And yet we faced a very long road ahead here now that weve already hit this grim National Milestone basically making it even more incumbent experts saying to take that personal responsibility as americans to wear the mask, social distance, do whatever we can especially with that virus, with that vaccine, rather, not likely to be widely available until mid 2021. Yasmin . So how long is that road ahead . Morgan chesky, thank you so much for joining us. I want to turn now to my guest who has been standing by patiently. Thank you for joining us on this. I want you to react to the sound that morgan tossed to you a little earlier from dr. Deborah birx talking about the potential to reach this 200,000 mark. 200,000 americans that are now dead from covid19 over the last six and a half months since we had the shutdown. How much worse can this get . It can get much worse. This is a virus that spreads efficiently. We know people can transmit this with minimal symptoms or no symptoms at all. We dont have very many tools to stop it other than social distancing and face coverings. So when you have a virus that spreads in this manner and we have such vulnerable populations in the United States maybe 1 in 5 americans vulnerable and nobody really has high levels of immunity to this virus, it can really spread like wildfire. When it lands on vulnerable populations they will get hospitalized and some will die. We have to be prepared to see that number 200,000 even get higher. Because we still lack the simple ability to test, trace, and isolate cases in many parts of the country. Until we can do that basic tried and true Public Health intervention, we will continue to see cases go up. All we can do is take the best common sense precautions of social distancing, face coverings in order to try and minimize the damage this is going to cause. Lets go through the facts on vaccines. As morgan mentioned from the white house theyre saying a hundred million doses by the end of this year. Fact or fiction . Fiction. Why is that . I dont think well be able to get a hundred million by the end of this year. I think maybe several hundred thousand or maybe a million or a couple million but hundreds of millions . You have to think about the scale up and what that is going to take. Operation warp speed is a Great Program and is actually making Great Strides toward getting the vaccine to americans but i dont think well have a hundred Million People being vaccinated or 50 million doses or people if it is two doses by the end of this year. Well into 2021 is i think when well get the American Public vaccinated. Health care workers, high risk individuals, may be able to access the vaccine before the end of this year but we have to be realistic about this time line and not over promise. Dr. Redfield last week basically talked about the efficiency, the protective efficiency of wearing a mask even over a vaccine. Essentially saying as we well know when we get a flu vaccine that a flu vaccine doesnt mean we do not get the flu. It just means we might get a sort of less strong version of the flu. That is kind of what he was saying that the mask is almost fool proof. The president admonished dr. Redfield on that. Can you walk us through that and what the facts are on it . Well, early on in the pandemic we were not really very sure how well home made face coverings would work, what transmission decrease you would get. I was one of those that was skeptical. More and more data has been showing people wearing face coverings, specifically because there are so many people that dont know they are infected, that it has decreased transmission and also makes you less likely to get infected with a large amount of virus. Face coverings are something that provides a physical barrier. So they work. The thing with the vaccine is that vaccines are highly successful but our first generation vaccines are probably not going to be like the measles vaccine. Theyre not going to make you impervious to the infection. Likely though if you are vaccinated youll be less likely to be hospitalized or die which is huge value but not the same thing as not being infected. I think that is the point dr. Redfield was correctly making and the president was wrong to admonish him because what dr. Redfield said was factual and scientific. Would you recommend your patients get a first round vaccine shot . If the vaccine is shown to be safe and effective, if the emergency use authorization process is kept intact and not meddled with the way it was with hydroxychloroquine and convelescent plasma, yes. I would recommend my patients tibet it. That is a big if. We want to be sure this isnt something that is being politicized and the fda can actually come to the conclusions they need to to be able to allow this to be given to people. I think that is something everybody has real, legitimate questions about because of what happened throughout this pandemic. Thank you as always. Great to see you this saturday afternoon. Still ahead everybody well continue to honor the life and legacy of Supreme CourtJustice Ruth Bader ginsburg. 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If i could, baby id how can i, when you wont take it from me you can go your own way go your own way your wireless. Your rules. Only with xfinity mobile. I first met Justice Ginsburg in 1991. I was a young law clerk and she was a judge on the u. S. Court of appeals in d. C. We bonded over our shared love of opera and began a series of conversations about music and the law. With your majority opinions, and your galvanizing dissents you have become one of the most influential Supreme Court advocates and justices in american history. You offer a vision of constitutional liberty and equality that will inspire future generations. So that was part of the National Constitution centers virtual Liberty Medal ceremony in which the annual medal was awarded to Justice Ruth Bader ginsburg for her work to advance liberty and equality for all. The virtual tribute aired on Constitution Day just one day before the passing of Justice Ginsburg. Joining me now Jeffrey Rosen president and ceo of the National Constitution center and professor at George WashingtonUniversity Law school. Thank you so much for joining us on this very somber day. We really appreciate it. What was it like to spend time with Justice Ginsburg . It was one of the greatest privileges and honors of my life. And it was also a great joy because as you heard in the video, we talked a lot about opera. About music. About her favorite performers and the composers that she most resonated to. She talked about how music took her outside of herself. This is a woman who was constantly focused on the concerns of others, of devoting her formidible, astonishing talents to serving others and shaping the constitution and making it more embracive. Music was one of the opportunities she had to really stop thinking about her briefs and arguments and connect to something so much greater. I always wonder what drives people and especially someone like Justice Ginsburg forward. Someone with so much conviction. Its not easy to be in a position like Justice Ginsburg was to be the first at so many things in your path. To know that so many women especially are looking at you as a guide post, as a mentor, as a hero. And to uphold what so many of these women respect about you. What was it within her that drove her forward. That is such an important question and you pose it so well and it is one that i constantly tried to get the answer to in our conversations. I think it goes back to her mothers advice and incredible influence. And her mother always told her to be independent and to be a lady. By be a lady she meant overcome unproductive emotions like anger, remorse, and jealousy, so you can focus all of your attentions on serving others and on a cause larger than yourself. So that was the charge from her mother. Then i always asked her as your question suggests, how did you actually do it . Many aspire but few in our history have achieved her accomplishments and Justice Ginsburg said, maybe the most intimate conversation we had was last december, and we just put it online today in the atlantic she said maybe it goes back to the fact that when i was young, my sister died when she was 6 years old and i dont remember it but seeing the effect of the grief on my mother and father made her experience empathy and compassion and then when her mother, herself, was sick and dying of cancer, Young Ruth Bader would sit and play the cello and practice the piano to get out of herself but sit in her mothers room and could completely focus and tune Everything Else out because she felt she had to do it for her mother, not distract her mother and achieve her purpose to achieve her mothers hopes. It is something about that. Something very early. But it is extraordinary because no one else in our time has achieved that level of influence on the constitution but also that astonishing selfdiscipline and compassion which made her, her best, and which inspired everyone whom she touched to be their best. Was there ever a moment in her life that she felt like what she was trying to achieve was failing . That she wasnt necessarily being heard and that she didnt know if she could actually go forward but then she continued . You know, her obstacles were formidible. She talks about the sexist slights from the mostly male judges of her time. She was under estimated. She was second guessed. And she does she talked during her very first Supreme Court argument about a bit of nervousness though when you listen to the tapes there is a flawless competence, so much so the judges didnt even interrupt her they were so polished. So i think the answer is that she certainly had anxiety and nerves she successfully overcame but i think, and it is a very important question, she never doubted her ability to succeed if she worked hard enough and achieved and focused and did her best. So it was a kind of there is a seamlessness to her life and there is this amazing letter that we showed in the video, that Liberty Medal tribute, which is the most achingly heart breaking and retrospect celebration of her life where at the age of 13 she writes a letter, an essay in her eighth grade newspaper, where she cites the declaration of human rights, the declaration of independence, and the u. N. Charter as examples of charters of liberty that inspire the world. It is remarkable as if she came out fully formed and has been on that path of equality and liberty ever since then. So quickly here, while you were speaking we brought up the letter in which she wrote reacting to the center awarding her with the Liberty Medal of honor and she talked about as you see it was my great good fortune to have the opportunity to participate in the long effort to place equal citizenship stature for women. And she goes on. Why was this so incredibly important for her that she persisted . Because it was important for all women and all men and all human beings to be equal. She has a vision of a constitution that is embracive. That is her word. That always is embracing left out people not just grudgingly as she told me but with open arms. And for her the promise of the declaration of independence that all human beings are created equal should be extended to embrace women. People of color. Immigrants, lgbtq people. Men. Everyone of all backgrounds. Because that right of equality is in all of us and that vision transformed the constitution and made her the most influential constitutional advocate of our time. It has been such a privilege to know her. I am confident if it were not for Justice Ginsburg many of us would not be sitting here today me being one of those individuals. Thank you for your words. Very much appreciate you spending time with us this afternoon. Still ahead, changing tunes. Just hours after the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg some republicans reversed their stance on the right to replace the Supreme Court justice in an Election Year. Will their words come back to haunt them . Or is it going to even matter . Youre on the record. Yeah. All right. Hold the tape. Hold the tape the better, i started oncedaily anoro. Copd tries to say, go this way. I say, ill go my own way, with anoro. 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I want you to use my words against me. If there is a republican president in 2016 and a vacancy occurs in the last year of the first term, you can say, Lindsey Graham said lets let the next president whoever it might be make that nomination and you could use my words against me and youd be absolutely right. That was a promise from Lindsey Graham back in 2016 about a potential Election Year vacancy on the Supreme Court. Sounds pretty definitive right . Youre saying im sure he changed his tune after donald trump was elected. Think again. Ill tell you this. This may make you feel better but i really dont care. If an opening comes in the last year of President Trumps term and the primary process is started, well wait till the next election. And ive got a pretty good chance of being youre on the record. Yeah. All right. Hold the tape. Hold the tape. On the record. There you have it. Thats what senator graham thinks. Oh, wait. Just last month he told nbc news that he felt the rules had changed since the contentious battle over Supreme CourtJustice Brett kavanaugh and just now tweeted out he is going to, quote, support trump in an effort to fill a vacancy. So amid the flip flops by republicans on the issue of voting on the Supreme Court vacancy during an Election Year the biden camp is arguing the voters should pick the president in november, first, before a new justice is considered. Bidens running mate senator Kamala Harris tweeting that, quote, millions of americans are counting on us to win and protect the Supreme Court. While visiting the court to pay her respects to Justice Ginsburg today. Well go outside the Supreme Court for more on how the Biden Harris Campaign is reacting to the death of Justice Ginsburg. Good afternoon to you and thanks for joining us. First things first. Talk us through this reaction we are hearing from the biden camp. Reporter yasmin, they are very much trying to season the fact that Many Democrats at this point in time are feeling that for the first time in a long time really what is at stake . It is not just for the next four years, right . It is generational. And this is something that President Donald Trump is also looking at as well when he is thinking about placing a nominee before the Senate Republicans who of course have the majority and that is one thing even if biden is able to capture the vote in november the Senate Republicans will still have a hold until the end of the year into early january once that transition is officially made. Last night former Vice President joe bidens reaction was just as you said. Let the voters vote first. Lets follow what Senate Majority leader Mitch Mcconnell did back in 2016. Take a listen to exactly what he said and what he is hoping for in these next couple weeks. Let me be clear. That the voters should pick the president and the president should pick the justice for the senate to consider. This was the position of the Republican Senate in 2016 when there were almost ten months to go before the election. Biden has said in the past he is not going to release a list of nominees to the Supreme Court but one promise he has made is that if he is elected president he would nominate a black woman to serve on the Supreme Court, yasmin. Lets talk strategy for a moment. The question is will the biden camp pivot, right . We just passed this grim milestone today, 200,000 deaths in this country from covid19. Awful. 200,000 americans. We know the Biden Campaign has been going hard on the president s lack of response. Placing the blame solely on the president. On top of that now theyll be fighting for the Supreme Court and for a seat on the Supreme Court. Will the Biden Campaign, any indication as to whether theyll pivot and talk more about the Supreme Court and less about covid or are they planning on doing both . Theyre definitely going to be doing both if you think about it in this way. Theyve been talking about the coronavirus through the lens of health care, constantly since 2018 being an issue that voters whether theyre democrats or republicans say is of importance to them. And just behind me the Supreme Court has validated the Affordable Care act. Those are the kinds of things youll be hearing from biden and the campaign reminding what is at stake, again, in these next four years, but then also in the next couple of generations to come. Womens Reproductive Health and also lbgtq rights. Those are things they will be focusing in on and honing in to remind the public what they have to decide in the next couple weeks before election day. Thank you so much. Great to see you this saturday afternoon. Joining me now to discuss what will be a bitter fight ahead for the Democratic Party is congresswoman madeline dean of pennsylvania who is a member of the house judiciary committee. Thanks so much for joining us on this. Very much appreciate it. First your reaction to the passing of Justice Ginsburg. Well, yasmin, as you just pointed out, in a year of staggering loss, 200,000 folks dead of coronavirus, so many others sick, our own colleague john lewis has passed away, the court and the country has lost a giant in Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Personally for me, a woman of my age, a lawyer by training, she is such an extraordinary role model of doing her job and Public Service with trust and dignity and integrity, looking for equal justice for all. But, more important, to me or maybe more impressive to me is the role model she is for young women. I heard immediately from my daughtersinlaw, from my young staff, who are women, that they were crushed at her passing. They just so admired this giant of a woman who cared desperately for womens rights, for equal rights, for voting rights, for Economic Opportunity for women, and what a powerful voice she was. I mourn her loss on behalf of women up and down the generations. So you had a lot of democrats, congresswoman, waking up this morning nervous about the prospect of losing yet another seat on the Supreme Court. Ahead of an election about five weeks out from november 3rd, right now. What is the plan for democrats moving forward to fight for that seat . Well, i hope that the public will see the extraordinary contrast between what Mitch Mcconnell said four years ago, give the people a voice, he said. When there was a vacancy in february of 2016, and said, hold off on appointing another Supreme Court justice until a new president would be in place. Of course, that was exactly the fervent wish of Ruth Bader Ginsburg on her death bed. Now look what Mitch Mcconnell did. Within the hour of learning of this grand womans death, he said theyre going to try to appoint someone. We should not allow democrats, republicans, independents should not allow our court to become a Political Institution instead of the important, powerful institution for justice that it must be. So i know democrats are going to be doing what we must do which is to persuade the public to pressure the politicians, the republicans in the senate who think they can jam through an appointment for political gain for a president. There is just too much at stake. We have to work for public persuasion. Congresswoman madeline dean, i wish we had more time. We have breaking news out of washington i have to get to. Thank you for your time. Lets go to that breaking news, reports of a letter addressed to the white house testing positive for the deadly poison ricin. I want to go my colleague garrett haik standing by outside the white house. Talk us through this. Reporter this letter was addressed to the white house, sent to the president , but of course it never got here. All mail that goes to the white house gets taken to an off site facility where it is inspected and in many cases tested for things just like this. Law enforcement officials tell our colleague Pete Williams that this letter addressed to the president did test positive for ricin not once but twice. First in sort of a cursory test then in a followup lab test. It was stopped obviously at the postal inspection facility. Nowhere near the white house. But again, this is concerning and we understand that Law Enforcement officials are investigating other letters they believe may also have been contaminated or included ricin not addressed to the white house or other political figures. Obviously this is something still under investigation but again this letter testing positive for ricin addressed to the white house but never getting anywhere near the seat of the executive branch here, yasmin. I know youll be monitoring this for us so if things do change you will check back in. Thank you, my friend. You bet. I want to go back to democrats and the Supreme Court vacancy. Eddie, good to see you on this saturday afternoon. Quite a day to say the least, my friend. Indeed. Lets talk about the hypocrisy here, shall we . We just heard from sure. Congresswoman dean talking about the fact she wants to address constituents throughout this country and urge them to address their own lawmakers to say they must pause. They must wait until after this november 3rd election especially considering the precedent that was set by Mitch Mcconnell back in 2016. We full well know at this point considering all we have heard from the republicans they plan to move forward with a nomination. Do you see the democrats being bulldozed here . Well, if history is any indication, yasmin, we might want to believe that this might very well be the case. That was an interesting qualification. Let me first just say before i say anything else, congratulations on your new show. Thank you. What a way to start. Look, the hypocrisy, right, and the claim around hypocrisy presumes these folks have shame. We say donald trump has no shame. Mitch mcconnell has no shame. Lindsey graham has no shame. To say they are being hypocrites presumes there is some kind of moral person that will respond to that accusation. What we need to understand is the hypocrisy reveals the illegitimacy of the process. Now that theyre hypocrites what we can say is they stole the seat with merritt garland and are trying to steal it again. Part of what we need to do, democrats and those who support them, is understand the illegitimacy of this process and not give it any, any sense of normality. I think the press needs to approach it in the same way. The whole process is illegitimate because by virtue of his hypocrisy they reveal that they stole this seat of merritt garland or the appointment of barack obama. It is an illegitimate process. How do you change things then . What this has revealed throughout the last four years under this administration is there are vulnerabilities inside of this constitution. And the republicans, the gop, and the Trump Administration it seems have seized on those vulnerabilities and in their minds rightfully so. So is it time to make steps toward amending the constitution so as we do not find ourselves in this position yet again which we will full well do find ourselves in this position yet again so republicans and democrats in washington is not divided the way it currently is. It is certainly the case we need to begin to think very carefully about the limits of executive power. That is clearly the case. But, you know, in terms of our politics, it is important in this moment i believe, and i think youve gotten to the heart of the matter here as you always do, for democrats to name their opponents. What republicans are doing, they are using the democratic process to undermine it. Let me say that again. They are using the democratic process to undermine democracy. They dont care about the process. They only care about power. And what they bank on is your commitment, my commitment to process. The democrats commitment to democratic norms. Their commitment to traditionalism. Because all of that constrains them while the republicans dont give a damn. And so unless the democrats name their opponents and what theyre up to, they will end up unwittingly being complicit in this power grab. Stop tinkering around the edges. Stop playing nice. Name your opponents for who they are. They do not care about democracy. They only care about power. 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All i ask of my brethren is that they take their feet off our necks. S forget the bull in the china shop we welcome today Justice Ruth Bader ginsburg. Shes become such an icon. Im 84 years old and Everyone Wants to take a picture with me. Notorious rbg. Oh, my god. I loved that documentary so much. Joining us now is the producer of that documentary, betsy west. Thank you. Such an incredible documentary. You knowdi how when you watch films on a plane youre very n concentraco concentrated because of whats going on, such an incredible piece. What was it like shooting with her . How much access did she give you . You mus know, it was an amaz honor to be able to tell this womans story. Wema had access to some of the events that she does around the country speaking to law students and lawyers in various places, and as weus continued to shoot her, we got more personal intimate access with her on vacation with her family and, you know, going to the opera, which she loves. And then ultimately we asked her if we could film her legendary workout inen the gym and see fo ourselves. So she really does do planks, and, yes, indeed, she does. So, yes. It was a it was really thrilling w to be able to captu her life. You also explored sort of her unlikely rise as a pop culture phenomenon, a pop culture icon appearing on bumper stickers, tshirts, and mugs. Kate mckinnon brilliantly played her on snl so many different times. Were you surprised that she kind of gained this huge spotlight there . Thee she is, Kate Mckinnon playing Justice Ginsburg. So funny because that was so unlike Justice Ginsburg. She was a very shy subdued person unlike what kate did as an interpretation, but it captured a bit ofio who she was betsy, thank you so much. I wish i could talk to you for the entire hour. Again, such an incredible documentary. I i want to urge everybody out there, if you havent seen it, watch it. It will be on tonight on cnn. Thank you. Thank you. 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I think as a court, were one vote away from losing our constitutional liberties, and i believe that the president should next week nominate a successor to the court. I think it is critical that the