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Will start working out. A lot of talent. A lot of brain power is being put behind it. 2. 5 billion were putting in. We have contained this. We have contained this. I wont say airtight, but pretty close to airtight. Weve done a good job in the United States. Hats off to our Public Health people. But if you listen to the people in charge of the nations security, things might be so under control. A republican senator was visibly frustrated during a briefing on the virus yesterday when acting Homeland Security secretary chad wolf wouldnt answer some basic questions about it. How many are you anticipating . Again, were working with hhs to determine that. How many are you anticipating . We do anticipate the number will grow. I dont have an exact figure for you. Do you have an is someone modelling that . Do you have any way of guessing . Again, hhs through their medical professionals yes, but youre head of Homeland Security and your job is to keep us safe. You cant tell us how many your models are anticipating . No, senator, again, i would defer you to the health and Human Services for that. Cdc. Think you ought to check on that . We will. As the head of Homeland Security . How is it transmitted . A variety of different ways. Tell me. Human to human is what we human to human how . Whats the mortality rate so far nation worldwide . Worldwide i believe its under 2 . How much under 2 . Ill get you an exact figure. Youre asking me a number of medical questions that cdc and hhs because youre the secretary of the department of Homeland Security, and youre supposed to keep us safe, and you need to know the answers to these questions. So there is another one of these sessions going on today. Were keeping our eye on that. In the meantime the white house is asking congress for 2. 5 billion in emergency funding to deal with the crisis. Democrats say thats not enough. Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer is asking for 8. 5 billion, and the head of the National Center for Infectious Diseases agreed calling 2. 5 billion just a start. Lets start with the facts. The senior director of Pathogens Program of new York City Health and hospitals featured in pandemic. I know how busy you are right now. You came off Maternity Leave to deal with this crisis. Let me get to the bottom of what so many people are asking me and im sure you, especially when government officials seem to be giving us conflicting information and youve dedicated your life to fighting Infectious Diseases. What are you telling people . Its very important to stay informed. This is a very important outbreak to continue to keep an eye on. It is continuously evolving every day. The death toll continues to mount. The spread of this Infectious Disease is unprecedented in terms of it spreading fast. However, i think in the United States we just need to make sure were putting things into context. We have a limited number of cases here. Theres no community transmission, but as youve heard from the cdc director, its a matter of time that were going to continue to see more cases and Community Spread here. So its important for individuals to see what role they can play, and this goes into Human Behavior and personal emergency plans, if you will. Making sure that we all have whether its a hurricane or Infectious Disease outbreak, we have an emergency kit at home ready to go. Part of the problem is we know people have been trying to get some stuff, and theyre already sold out. But in a perfect world, what would people have on hand . In these personal emergency kits, go to cdc, and check their website. Nonperishable foods. Having your own personal documentation and 30 days of meds. These are kits you should have whether its a hurricane or Infectious Disease outbreak, its good to have the kits on hand. I was watching your Netflix Series last night. And you said something that really caught my ear, because there are so many questions about what do we do to make sure that this is contained as much as it can be given what we know . I want to play that little clip. While these outbreaks are happening remotely in distant areas, we know that theyre just one flight away from coming here in the United States. Special pathogens dont respect any boundaries. And we have seen already with coronavirus that people who are, for example, visiting italy now have gone home and were seeing cases occur there. You wrote an on ed in december about how a program that is supposed to protect us from a pandemic is about to expire. Are we prepared . That was written, and right now i think across the United States we have a good infrastructure in place because of the funding we received in 2014 to develop this regional tiered structure for ebola and other special pathogens, and others, coronavirus disease does fall under that other special pathogen domain. Across the nation we have a great infrastructure in place. However, this entire infrastructure relies on Grant Funding. That Grant Funding as i highlighted in the op ed, expires in a matter of months. And again, its mind boggling that were not going to renew funding for the infrastructure thats protecting americans from pandemic situations. And so its a very important that we renew funding for the infrastructure as well as give new funding for the coronavirus disease outbreak. You would like to think as divided as congress is with the white house, that they would understand its not something that is political. Youre going to stay with us throughout the hour. I have a lot more questions for you. But whats happening here in the states is as predicted, coronavirus we know now is jumping continents. Brazil reporting the first case in latin american. A brazilian that just visited italy. And today the World Health Organization said the number of new cases outside china which is considered ground zero with more than 78,000 infections, exceeded the number of new cases inside china. The virus racing across europe with new infections being reported in france, spain, austria, switzerland. A u. S. Soldier tested positive at a mail tear base in South Carolina where the number of people infected as skyrocketed to 1200. Lets get clues from whats happening around the world. For that, kelly in seoul, south korea, and matt bradley in london. Kelly, cases are spiking. How hard a time are they having containing this outbreak . Well, its a problem at this point. There are a couple of reasons why. First, theyre not quarantining any towns. They havent put in any travel restrictions really other countries have done that in a defensive measure. And they havent restricted any sort of major travel. You can still go to where the main outbreak is. The other issue is this church group. Its a relatively secretive church sect. This is where really the heart of this outbreak is, south korean authorities believe. They are extremely secretive. Its believed that they may have travelled to china, and that may be the connection to coronavirus here in south korea, because they were so secretive, perhaps the thinking is that members were not reporting that they had either a, been to china or that they had symptoms, hence, you have an outbreak and a spreading of the virus. Just to give you an idea, chris, this church group apparently has about 200,000 members spread throughout the country. Just in the past 24 hours or so the government authorities have gotten the names of all of those members and theyre just now starting to reach out to them, check their health, test as many of them as they feel is necessary. And then do that contact tracing. Find out who theyve had contact with, the places theyve been. But you can imagine how this virus could spread if you have this tight knit community that hasnt been checked that well. So you know the soldier who tested positive was living off base. He was working at a base just north of digu. Thats where the connection is there. And to add just quickly, chris, there are also concerns about a couple of pockets of infections that are outside of the area that dont have any obvious connection to wuhan china or the church group or any of the other big infections. Matt bradley, i want to go back to the doctor here. One of the things i read in many articles ive been reading over the past couple days, i dont know if its a technical term within your profession, but called the popcorn effect. Essentially what theyre saying is that what it means j just like a popcorn goes like this, as people move about j is that the biggest threat . So this disease and this virus has proven to be very transmissable. Similar to seasonal flu, the reproduction rate. How many people can get infected by one person. Right now what the data is showing us is up to two to three people can get infected by one infected person. With seasonal flu, thats about one person. Certainly i think that popcorn effect has some sort of merit to it. But right now its too early to tell how fast this is going to continue to spread. So we need to rely on the data and see how things are progressing. Matt bradley, one of the things obviously, questions this has raised is open borders in europe. We know that some hotels have been locked down in an attempt to contain this. Tell me the latest where you are, a lot of the attention has been focussed on italy. Yeah. Thats right. You know, the quarantines in italy, theyre holding but really just barely. The Italian Government was on the defensive yesterday. The Prime Minister was forced to finally admit that the hospital in northern italy might have mishandled one of the first patients. And that might have contributed to the spread of the virus. Despite that there are 50,000 people under the quarantine in italy, there are 11 different italian towns. The number of infections just really keeps going up. You know, this might be a question for the doctor guest you have. Why is it that the numbers keep going up despite the quarantine. Last friday there were only six cases in that country, and now theres 322. Thats a huge spike over just the course of the weekend. That gives italy the really unfortunate distinction of having the largest case load in europe and one of the countries with the largest number of cases in the world. And as you mentioned, it was from italy that the virus had been spreading throughout europe just this week austria, croatia, greece, switzerland all reported their first cases. All of them traced back to italy. And the grim news the virus jumped from italy to south america. The last continue innocent that avoided any infection. Today is the first day weve seen more cases of coronavirus outside Mainland China an inside. Taken together, a lot of Health Experts are saying were starting to push to the point of going from an epidemic to a Global Pandemic and that we might be past that point already. Doctor, let me have you answer matts question. How is this happening . Well, this is a virus. This is a respiratory virus. By that nature, it is almost uncontainable. It is not surprising that it is spreading as fast as were seeing. Its important that we rely on good Public Health measures, identifying cases as soon as they pop up. If theyre going to a health care facility, being able to identify these cases right away. Isolate the cases. And inform Public Health authorities to ensure that additional individuals are not getting infected. Proper Infection Control strategies are being implemented. It goes to the corn enstone of good Public Health measures. We cant understate that more. We need to continue these good Public Health measures right away. So, i mean, look, we played it at the top where larry kudlow said we contained this. You said its uncontainable. We heard matt say the Italian Government is on the defensive. You have, for example, in china, a government that is notoriously not forth coming with information. You have some people who have said in japan a government who is worried about the olympics, and so they have a reason to down play what might be happening here. I want to sort of take the government out of it, although you cant, because theyre so responsible for the response to this, but ask you whats going on in the scientific community. Are you all talking to each other . Those of you who are at the top of your field in communicable diseases, are you sharing information . Are you helping each other . Whats happening among the scientists who care only about the science and not the politics . Thats a very important question. And we are collaborating very closely on all levels. At the local level, the state level, and the national level. And that collaboration is vital. Because we want to make sure that were not only talking with doctors and Health Care Provider but also Public Health practitioners to make sure were all in lock step. And so even from a global perspective, we need to not just look at Health Care Systems and doctors and nurses but collaborate with Public Health officials and make sure that theres transparency. That data is being shared. And with this current outbreak, we are seeing a lot of great data come out very early on. Theres been information on obviously the spectrum of illness thats being caused by this disease. We dont have the full picture, but were having really good day a every day. Kelly and matt, thank you for that update. The doctor is going to stay with us. Coming up, one day after President Trump down played the threat from krfr, there are in reports that amid growing fears, he might appoint a coronavirus czar to oversea the response, although now theyre saying thats not happening. But has the Health Threat increased since yesterday or just the political threat . Were three days out from the South Carolina primary. Did the democrat candidates prove to voters they would be prepared to handle a coronavirus outbreak . Well break down what they said during the debate. Youre watching msnbc live. And save in more ways than one. For small prices, you can build big dreams, spend less, get way more. Shop everything home at wayfair. Com today with escalating concerns over the governments readiness to deal with the global spread of the coronavirus, new questions about how prepared we are really. Congressional democrats have been ek pressing concern about the administrations response, and at the democratic debate candidates got a chance to explain how they would handle the outbreak if they were president. The president fired the pandemic specialist in this country two years ago, so theres nobody here to figure out what the hell we should be doing, and he has defunded cdc so we dont have the organization we need. I think the answers as president what would i do . I would better coordinate through the my presidency to be ready for the next cpandemic. What we did with ebola, i was part of making sure that pandemic did not get to the United States. I helped set up that office in the presidency, in the president s office on diseases that are pandemic diseases. We increased the budget of the cdc. We increased the nia budget. Infectious decides like coronavirus requiring international cooperation, we have to work and expand the World Health Organization. Obviously we have to make sure the cdc, the nih our Infectious Diseases are fully funded. Issues like Global Health security and the coronavirus that rely on the ability to listen to scientists time listen to your own intelligence and coordinate with an International Community that this president has alienated because his idea of a Security Strategy is a big wall. Joining me now, jake sherman, adrian ellerod, michael starhopki starhopkins. Jake only three days left until the South Carolina primary. One of the questions that a lot of people had after the debate was was that it or is there Something Else that could happen between now and then that might be able to change the equation . Win or take away some votes . I wonder if coronavirus is it, if were going to be hearing a lot about it from the candidates over the next couple days . Its easy when youre a candidate and a Current Office holder to take shots about how you would handle a pandemic with coronavirus. Theres no good answer at this point. I dont know if this is going to impact the primary. From the governing perspective on capitol hill, this could quickly turn into a food fight because the administration wants 2. 5 billion. Senate democrats want 8. 5 billion, and congress in the next couple days is going to have to get around a package thats going to do something to help stop this disease, and theres really a crisis of confidence because you have the president of the United States saying this is all under control and his government saying the opposite. So what were facing here is basically unchartered territory with this disease about to hit u. S. Shores. Again, i dont think this is going to impact the primary, because all the candidates have the birth to say whatever they want, because theyre not the president , and theyre not for the most part Current Office holders. Again, i think this is more of a governing challenge for everybody involved. I want to come back about whats happening on the hill. Adrian, one of the things about running a president ial campaign is you dont know what that thing is thats going to sort of resonate with voters. If you were advising one of the campaigns, knowing, i dont know about the people in your circle, family, friends, but in my circle of family and friends, people are talking about this. They are concerned about where they liver live, theyre concerned about traveling abroad and kids in study abroad programs. The range of it. Yeah. Would you make a point to talk about this on the campaign trail over the next couple of days . Yeah. Absolutely. And i think in this situation, joe biden has an advantage, because he was the Vice President when the ebola virus was something that we were all talking aboutabout, something americans were concerned about. And one ran the Ebola Task Force for the Obama Administration. So hes got a lot of credibility on this issue. I know that joe biden is low on campaign cash. Its been reported that hes taking down ads in a lot of places or not up on tv in a lot of places but if he could be, and to the extent that he put paid media behind this, i would use this as an example of something hes been a part of in terms of a pro active strategy to ensure that a disease like this does not completely take over the United States. Michael, its interesting talking about bloomberg. A lot of people thought his answer on coronavirus was the strongest of the night. Another debate performance that was lets say, most of the critics most of the analysts i heard said better than the first time but still not great by any stretch of the imagination, but hes up with an ad today hitting President Trump for his response to coronavirus and highlighting as we heard in the debate, his handling of past crises. So maybe is this where Money Matters that hes able to put up an ad so quickly, turn it just like that, on a topic that people are talking about . Absolutely. It is. I mean, the fact that he can put up an ad, have it cut and be able to respond so quickly shows what strong an u infrastructure he has and hes going to be spread it across the country before super tuesday is something that really benefits his campaign. Being the mayor of an International City like new york where you have people from across the world, especially during the evening crisis will benefit his campaign. Are you a believer, adrian, because you brought up that joe biden, that joe biden has to win big . He has to win maybe even double digits to say i am truly the challenger to Bernie Sanders here . And what you think his debate performance added with the big news today, even though we were expecting it which is congressman clyburns endorseme endorsement. Could that push him into that territory . I think he has to win South Carolina in order to have a shot at getting the nomination, and he has to win by a decent margin. As youll recall, chris, we won Hillary Clintons campaign won by 20 points in 2016. That gave us the momentum after a rocky start against Bernie Sanders to do very well on super tuesday, and then do very well throughout the duration of the campaign. Joe biden has to have a good win here. Again, he can message this effectively. His campaign can say if they won by two points, a win is a win, were going into super tuesday with a lot of momentum, we talked about this on your show, you have four candidate right now who are still grappling for the moderate base. To get delegates you have to get 15 in any congressional district. That means joe biden needs to be able to reassure voters and talk about talking to a lot of your friends, i have friends, including family members in super tuesday states undecided at this moment. And they are looking to see how joe biden performs in South Carolina to make their decision. Hes got to come out of South Carolina with a resounding victory, and be able to demonstrate hes the one who can break out of that pack right now and be the one who can take on the moderate mantle going forward. Meantime, Bernie Sanders who is leading this found out what its like to be the front runner. He really was a target and seemed rattled a bit last night at points especially when the audience seemed to be turning against him. We just found out from our nbc person who spoke to a senior official on Bernie Sanders campaign. The campaign decided hld not accept bloombergs money if he makes it to the election. The concern is can whoever runs against donald trump keep up with the juggernaut that is his fundraising machine . What do you make of that decision by Bernie Sanders campaign is that hes decided that keeping with what sort of got him to the dance is more important than having the money to potentially go through . You know, this is the perfect example of the Sanders Campaign deciding that perfect is the enemy of the good. I had the opportunity to talk to voters. The older voters were more concerned with sanders potentially tanking the ticket. Some were steyer supporters, some biden supporters. They really were starting to talk about how important it was for biden to have a strong showing. When i talk to younger voters, they were very much in the similar vein of Trump Supporters in 2016 who talked about anger within the party and corruption and talked about how they needed someone who was going to tip the tables over and start over. Its going to be interesting to see whether sanders is going to chip in to bidens lead or whether biden is going to be able to take some of the steyer support and make this a run away win. Jake, back to you quickly on the hill. Weve heard critics on the republican side. Weve heard senator kennedy who was really upset with the acting department of Homeland Security secretary. We heard Michael Burgess with some criticism for how all of this is going. Are the two sides you mentioned the gap between 2. 5 billion and 8. 5 being, but is there an understanding theyll have to do something and get it done . I think they know they have to. They realize its going to take billions and congressional appropriators, people who spend government money for a living, so to speak, on capitol hill have a better sense of how to handle issues like this, and i think theyll find a comfortable medium between 2. 5 and 8. 5. I want to make a separate point on the Bernie Sanders point not to accept bloomberg money. Its a fake bloomberg. The bloomberg decides to spend on Bernie Sanders, its not like hes cutting Bernie Sanders a check. Hes going to spend independently on bern niss behalf if he decides to, and bernie will have no say legally and practically. Hell be able to spend no matter what bernie says. Its an easy way for him to create case. If bloomberg decides to spend in the general, he will do so with or without bernies consent. Win win. Thats right. Thank you all so much. And coming up, after the markets tanked two days in a row, President Trump claims the media is the one causing the panic. Is the president s strategy so far enough to calm the minds of americans and investors . First, as President Trumps administration is preparing for the first major Global Health crisis, is it prepared to handle the coronavirus if it spreads across the u. S. . 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As president , hell build on obamacare, cap medical costs, and will always protect a womans right to choose. Mike bloomberg a record on Health Care Nobody can argue about. Mike im Mike Bloomberg and i approve this message. Welcome back. Right now health and Human Services secretary is testifying before the house about the hhs budget and oversight of the coronavirus outbreak. The Trump Administration is now facing its first Global Health crisis, and may not be fully prepared. Foreign policy magazine reports that in 2018 administration fired the Pandemic Response chain of command and shut down the Global Health Security Team and the counterpart at dhs. The gutting could be set to continue because the Washington Post reports that the 2021 budget request includes a nearly 10 cut to hhs including an almost 16 cut to the budget of the cdc. It also reduces the budget for the National Institutes of health by about 3 billion. Chuck schumer has put out a detailed plan today arguing theres a need for 8. 5 billion. The white house asked 2. 5 billion. The head of the National Institute of allergy and Infectious Diseases is saying today that is not enough. When the secretary of was talking about the 2. 5 billion, that was really a start. A down payment. We need that now and hopefully well get it. But i think in the future as we get into the next fiscal year, there certainly will be additional requirements. Joining me now is donna shalala, also hhs secretary for the clinton administration. Congresswoman, i want to let you know that i also have a pandemic expert onset with me. So we may bring her into the conversation. I want to get your temperature on this given your extensive experience. Eight years as hhs secretary. How concerned are you with what youre seeing with coronavirus right now . Im very concerned about our preparation. Im not concerned about the knowledge of our scientists or the expertise that we have. We have world class scientists physicians in hhs, cdc, the Public Health service, the fda, and obviously the National Institutes of health with tony fouchy and dr. Collins, but our preparation includes making sure our states are ready and they have the infrastructure as well as our hospitals, and weve been defunding them for a very long period of time. Yes. Help us to understand that. I just threw out a bunch of numbers about how the entire Pandemic Response chain of command was gone as of 2018, nfcs Global Health Security Team. What exactly is the federal role and if we accept that we have some of the best scientists in the world working on this, do we have them in the numbers with e need them and the system resilient enough given that so many positions have been cut . We certainly could fill in on the vacancies that have occurred at the nih and cdc, and we need billions to do that over a period of time. I dont want to underestimate the need for the Public Health infrastructure in this country that goes beyond washington. And finally, i dont want to underestimate the need for a Clear Communication strategy. The Obama Administration got its act together a little late, and its not that the scientists dont know what theyre doing or what theyre say, but they need to be coordinated as well and frankly the political appointees ought to stay out of it. I had a rule. Only the scientists could speak. We got agreement among the scientists what they were going to say but only the scientists could speak, and there was a shalala rule that the physicians had to put their white coats on, because frankly, the American Public needs to be reassured that the people that are speaking to them actually are the scientists, physicians that know the subject matter and understand how to talk about it. I want to have you hold on for a second, because dr. Madad was nodding as you were saying that, and you and i were talking before we came to congresswoman shalala about the confusion, and the conflicting reports were getting from inside the government. What kinds of problems does that cause . Well, its very important that we speak with one voice, because if we dont, then we are essentially then eroding trust in the American Public. And if we dont have trust of the lay american individual, then when we try to implement Public Health measures, they may not listen. Its important to have good risk communicatio communication. And make sure were speaking based on science. Its very important to differentiate the two. Weve seen this time and again in every outbreak it seems like politics takes center stage. Science needs to drive the Decision Making and the measures that were taking in place. Congresswoman, we know the president said hes going to have a press conference at 6 00 this afternoon including folks from the cdc. Im not sure all the people who are going to be there. But what will you be watching for so that you feel confident that folks are speaking with one voice, and if not the president of the United States, if not this administration, who does it fall to, congresswoman . Well, it falls to the administration. But look, this is an antiscience administration. The last person the American People trust is the president of the United States talking about science. And thats my point. We never let the president get his face in front when were talking about complicated scientific issues, and this administration shouldnt either. Hes probably going to announce a czar. The czar can coordinate communications, but at the end of the day, we have to depend on the scientists, their own coordination, and their speaking with one voice to reassure the American Public. We saw the grilling that the acting dhs secretary got from a republican senator, by the way yesterday in fact he was unable to answer basic questions from senator kennedy. Now your Republican House colleague Michael Burgess is also sounding the alarm. I want to play that. I was on with you probably a month ago and stid of all the Infectious Diseases this country has faced, this one concerns me than any of the others. The ability to ved before symptoms develop even though its less lethal than czars, it makes it more infective. Thats why youve seen the number of cases skyrocket. We had the super spreader situation in south korea and on the cruise ship. This is something we really havent encountered with some of the other infected illnesses. I dont know that today we understand the phenomenon of the super spreader, but it is a feature of that, and that is one of the things we have to figure into our preparedness response. I guess, congresswoman, the public posturing is one thing, and i was frankly surprised to see two republicans as senator, a member of congress raising the alarm bells about the administration. But what are the conversations youre having now with folks from both parties and where is this going in terms of what congress can do to help deal with this . Congress will put a big supplemental budget request and pass it through as quickly as we possibly can. That will include the outlines for a strategy, obviously. But we will listen to the scientists for what they need. And we will also take into account what the states need both in their ability to diagnose as well as the communications between the doctors and nurses in this country that see the cases and the cdcs ability to track them. So i cant emphasize enough the need for a Public Health infrastructure across this country, and not to depend simply on the major agencies here but on the connections between the Public Health community. Congressman shalala and doctor, thank you for being on. Were going to continue this closely in the days and weeks to come. Coming up, President Trump has a new Senior Leader. A College Senior, in fact. We have more on the new white house hire who is not even old enough to rent a car. First, coronavirus concerns are still rattling the markets but President Trump feels its all no big deal. Can he calm the fears affecting wall street and americans across the country . Youre watching msnbc live. Tart, everyone said i was crazy. 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The president today accused the media of overreacting to coronavirus and announced hell give a News Conference at the white house today that will include officials from cdc to try to calm americans fears as well as market fears. Joining me now, senior fellow at the scenter for budget and priorities. Always good to see you, jarod. In this situation where were seeing now that the coronavirus is growing more outside of china than inside of china. Were seeing the growth in europe, americans feel it closer to home. Are you surprised at all at what youre seeing of the markets and what are you watching for in the days to come . Not at all surprised. Markets hate unknowns, and the critical unknown here is are we talking about an epidemic or a pandemic . So the extent to which the virus is moving across the globe is of tremendous concern to markets and the impact on supply chains, on tourism, on exports and imports. The ability of people to just get to work and produce. And, of course, at the heart of all this is the for a lot of american investors is what is the impact on our economy, and that still as i said, a big unknown. A lot of that has to do with the competency of our leadership. I thought congressman shalalas comments were extremely important, insightful, but also perhaps not that reassuring. One of the things that i just recently found out, of course, it makes sense. A lot of things that americans will be looking for, whether its masks or gowns that are used by medical professionals or even medicines, not a vaccine, obviously, but medicines, are manufactured in china. Right. So look, were going to have this press conference at 6 00. Somebody is an expert on the impact economically of what were potentially looking at but also understanding, having worked in government what the political impact is. What reasonably do you think that this administration can do at 6 00 . Is this something that they can sort of get under control . I think its actually probably good from the markets perspective that theyre speaking at 6 00 and not now, because im actually quite worried that an administration thats known for promoting falsehoods and its incometency in the face of challenges weve seen that with some hurricanes like maria, is precisely the wrong administration for this moment. Now look, you talked about globalization. Globalization is a doubleedged sword. Its useful and helpful to onco moo, but means that countries are much more intgrailted. Things like goods and services and the supply chains can fall prey to this. Viruses themselves can travel much more quickly around the world. What you want in this case is i hate to say this because id love it to be otherwise, i want to call it like i see it is an administration that is up to the task of meeting such a challenging moment. And interestingly, the Trump Administration has actually been lucky. They say if you cant be good, be lucky. 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Thats a lot of clothes. World Health Organization Officials Say there are more occasions reported outside china than inside. Heres some examples, pakistan reporting its first two cases, three gulf arab states reported their first, North Macedonia reporting its first case dying nosed in a woman whoa recently arrived from italy. Lets check in with molly hunter, and richard engel. Whats the latest in italy . The cases keep ticking up. It means that italian authorities are kefting more people. The red zone is an hour from here. 50,000 people are quarantined, fenced in, no one in, no one out. The big news is that european Health Officials are asking the countries to get ready for a pandemic, asking the individual countries to detail their capacity to diagnose, to defendant, and crucially to track the cases. What can you tell us about the global spread of coronavirus . So im in singapore because we went to one of the top laboratories today and spoke to a leading virologist, people working directly on the coronavirus to try and identify it, break it down, figure out its vulnerabilities. She says that it came from bats. Shes quite convinced that bats are the original cause and that this came from a the market in wuhan, china, an illegal wildlife market, that somebody there butchered a bat, came into contact with bat exkremt, and from that they touched their mouth or nose and became initially infected and then spread to other people, and now it is spreading around the world. This is a little bit of what that top vierolgist had to say . You dont think this was some buy rojcal weapon or flot . I do not. I dont think it was intonational or accidental release. This came from the wildlife. Came from bats . Most likely came from bats, yes. And came from bats in this wildlife market . Yes. Richard engel, molly hunter, thanks. She is about 90 . Go ahead, finish up, sorry. She is go 90 certain bats are the original origin. What theyre doing now at this facility is looking at the virus, trying to figure out what can kill it, and shes been working about 20 years in virology and she says what has surprised her most is how contagious it is. She hasnt seen anything like this in recent times. It is extraordinarily con taishus and believes it is going to be a pandemic, just a matter of time, but it is not that lethal as some of the other virus, the other good news, or a bit of good news. Thanks to both of you. A question question for the White House Briefing later today, what about critics that say the administration doesnt have the people in place to deal with it, pointing to the shutdown of the dhs and nhcs Global Health skaurt team. Who would be doing the vetting . Politico is reporting that a key senior position at the president ial personnel office, people who do the vetting of potential political appointees, is a 23yearold College Senior. Joining me now is the politico reporter who wrote about this, danielle lipman. Who is james bacon and what is his experience . He worked on the Trump Campaign as an intern, took time off from school to do that, working for jack mcintee who is trumps former body man who is now the head of ppo, later worked at hud, the housing and urban development, and briefly at the department of transportation. And now is director of operations in the white house dealing with paperwork and assisting on vetting, and he is still a senior at George Washington university. He hasnt even graduated yet. Hes 23 years old, working for a 29yearold who is new to the job, and there are at least maybe a handful of positions that could impact coronavirus that he could potentially vetting for, right . Yeah. Hhs, health and Human Services, and the fda, any political appointments go through ppo. And so he will have his hand on some of that. And we know the problem with this administration is that many statement republicans they didnt want to work for trump, they signed antitrump letters. And especially now given that they are purging anyone seen as disloyal its going to be hard to recruit new people who are experienced. I recommend people read this story in politico. It is illuminating. Thank you so much. There is it is, a headline, a new Senior Leader at the white house office. Thank you. Thank you for watching this. Ill see you back here tomorrow. Right now, katy tur picks up our coverage. Hey there. Bernie sanders is in South Carolina still standing. Last night during the debate, sanders finally got the frontrunner treatment facing more pointed criticism than any other democrat on stage. Even michael bloomberg. Just on 60 minutes this weekend, he said he wasnt going to rattle through the nickles and dimes. Let me tell you how many nickles and dimes were talking about. Nearly 60 trillion. We are looking at a party that has decided were either going to support someone whos a democratic socialist or somebody who has a long history of being a republican. Vladimir putin thinks donald trump should be president of the United States, and thats why russia is helping you get elected so youll lose to zim i am not looking forward to a scenario where it comes down to donald trump with his nostalgia for the social order of the 1960s and Bernie Sanders for the politics of the 1960s. He did not back down. He praised cubeas education under castro even as he condemned his human rights abuses. After the debate he explained why. If somebody in saudi arabia or any country of the world teaches iliterate people to read, you telling me thats a bad thing . It is not. Barack obama made the point cube had