Syria. The white house announced on sunday that Abu Bakr Albaghdadi, the leader of isis dying on saturday when u. S. Special forces raided the compound where he was staying. Here is what we know about the raid. It was launched from a u. S. Base in erbil in northern iraq. U. S. Forces moved in helicopters low to the ground until they reached the compound in barisha, syr syria. The fourth attempt to capture and kill Abu Bakr Albaghdadi according to President Trump. Hes the most wanted terrorist in the world. Here is a satellite view of the area before the raid provided to reuters. This structure at the top is the one believed to be bombed by u. S. Forces. Here is an image on the ground after the raid. This pile of rubble is the blast, it gives you a sense of destruction caused by the bombing. American troops entered the come bound by blowing holes in the wall working their way through the complex. 11 children were moved to a close location. Baghdadi himself holding two children along with him, he detonated an explosive vest and killing himself and along with the three children collapsing in the tunnel all around them. The body was mutilated by the ex ple explosion. Special operator confirmed baghdadis dna by comparing with the onsite sample. It is not clear how it was contained. Here is the u. S. President. The u. S. Personnel was incredible. I got to watch much of it. No personnel were loss in the operation. While a large number of baghdadis fighters and companions were killed with him. He died after running into a dead end tunnel whscreaming and crying all the way. Joining me now, Courtney Kube is live from where the operation was launched from. And our adjunct professor of George Washington city. And michael who wrote the book michael weiss. Courtney, lets go to you. It is our colleague Richard Engel is in syria now and had been there for several weeks now. He did an exclusive interview, the head of the s information about what muslims say how the points are that he there was a source inside baghdadis inndetailed information about the house where baghdadi was found including information where rooms were and specific lay out that provided the u. S. Special Operation Forces who went in, provided them specific details for the raid. One way he was able to prove to the u. S. That he was close to baghdadi was that he provided a pair of his used clothing and he gave it to the u. S. And they were able to obtain a dna sample. Whats not clear was that the actual original dna example that the sunk cou. S. Used to provide positive identification after the raid that President Trump spoke about it. How did the u. S. Obtain any kind of dna information on him. Remember he was held before he escaped in iraq years ago. It is possible they have some sort of bio metrics from him from that. The general, the leader of the kurdish Led Syrian Democratic forces told your colleague that in fact this source was able to provide the information and then during the raid he was there and the u. S. Was able to distract him out safely at the end of the raid. There were initial reports that u. S. Forces called out the individual by name. It does fit into the narrative we are now beginning to flush out more and more of the details. Courtney, i want to ask you about President Trumps remark about baghdadi himself wh whimpering and screaming. Where that piece of information, that specific piece of information that trump reiterated over and over again over the past couple of hours came from . So there are two things to keep in mind. Number one, they would have had some audio coming back from someone there giving them updates and telling things like okay, team has landed or okay, team has done this. There would have been those kinds of audio updates. What we know about how baghdadi and how and where baghdadi died from President Trump himself is that he went into one of these tunnels near or underneath this house taking three children with him and it was actually a dog that went in. Thats the dog that had a camera that had some kind of audio source that was feeding live video back. Thats the only way President Trump or anyone in the situation room could have been getting live audio feed. I cant say whether in fact the dog would have a camera with audio on it. It would be uncommon for that to necessarily be the case. We cant say with certainty because these guys always come out with new technology. I i cant say with certainty one way or the other yet. We are expecting a press briefing any minute now, perhaps, well get more clarity on that. Mike, let me turn to you, writing essentially that the killing of isis, founder of leader of Abu Bakr Albaghdadi is significant. The organization itself has splintered and moved onto other parts of the country. The region north africa and afghanistan, they still maintain a force of 10,000 people even though it is loosely structured. Where does the killing of baghdadi leaves isis and where does it leave their ideology Going Forward. Baghdadi unlike his predecess predecessor, the founder, with no theological the details of his biography remains obscure. Descendant from the tribe from prophet of muhammad came from. Other people who took in line to take over his demise simply do not have. Isis is quite resilience and ada adapti adaptive. Theyre a global franchise. Let me interrupt, you tthe briefing is about to start. The United States joint special Operation Forces conducted a successful raid on saturday night resulting in the death of Abu Bakr Albaghdadi, the founder and leader of isis. This operation was a combination of a multiyear to find him and capture or kill him. Baghdadi and the thugs who followed him responsible for some of the most brutal atrocities of all time. I isis are now deprived of their leader. I want to thank our brave Service Members who took part in this raid along with our partners who supported the mission. There is no guarantee of a su success in an operation of this difficulty. President trump knew this when he made the Bold Decision to order the raid, confident in the expertise of our forces. They executed the raid in all its facets brilliantly. The security situation in syria remains complex. Multiple states and non state actors continue to fight for control of territory and resources within the country. As we have learned from ourtory east, it is easy to get drawn and con conflict if our objectives are not clear. Acting as a police force out to solve every dispute is not our mission. Our mission in syria today remains the same as it was when we began operations in 2014, to enable the enduring defeat of isis. To continue the mission and give the president options while returning the balance back home to the United States. Those who remain will continue to execute Counter Terrorism operations while staying close contact with the Syrian Forces who fought alongside with us. Additionally the United States controlling the oil field in northeast syria. These oil fields provided isis with the bulk of Financial Resources used to fight its terror. We respond with overwhelming military force against any group that threatens our forces there. It provides critical funding which enables ability to secure isis camps and conduct operations against isis among other things. Last week i was in brussels for the nato defense. I spoke with our allies and called on other nations who had much at stakes to offer their support to help mitigate the ongoing security crisis. Turkey continues to bear speedometers responsibilities. A number of allies offered to help along the syria turkey border. The United States remains focused on your core motion and continue to work closely as we implement the next phase of the campaign. Baghdadis death will not rid the world of terrorism or the ongoing conflicts of syria. It sends a question those who caused terrorists who think they could hide. The United States more than any other nation in the world possesses the power and the will to hunt until the ends of the earth of those who wish harm upon the American People. Saturdays operation is one example of the great skills of the United States of our military. Good afternoon everyone. As secretary has stated our special Operation Forces under commander control of United StatesCentral Command general mckenzie. Intelligence from numerous organizations throughout the department of defense and across the entire agency identified the target location approximately 4 miles from the Turkish Border and the province of syria. Flo in order to reduce the risk of u. S. Forces and prevent miscalculation and escalation and action consistent with operations in the past, we coordinated for the appropriate militaries and other organization in the region to establish deconfliction. Our forces engaged in a small fire and threats eliminated. We protected all the non combatants. U. S. Forces discovered al baghdadi hiding in the tunnel. We closed in on baghdadi and ended, he detonated in a suicide vest. He remains transformed to security to confirm his identity with forensic dna testing. It has been done and completed and handled appropriately. The success of this is to the professionalism of the men and women in joint forces. They put themselves in harms way time and time again to protect our great country. The secretary and i will now take your questions. You mentioned securing the oil fields. Has deployment or reenforcement that you announced last week begun and could you describe fully what you intend to do there . We begun to deploying into the vicinity. It includes mechanize forces and other types of forces. Thatll continue until we have efficient capabilities to ensure other detablizing have you had any indication of any challenges to your presence there . Not at this time. Sir, do you have video of baghdadis final moment. Are you partnering with the kurds again on the ground, can you explain how difficult this operation would have been if you didnt have troops or bases on the ground in syria and in iraq . We do have videos and photos, we are not prepared to release those. They go into a declassification process. In the coming days, well set up briefings by Central Command and you will be provided by videos and etc. From an operational standpoint, the military operation can strike anywhere and any time. We have incredible reach, we can strike anybody anywhere, terrorists should be aware of that. With regarding to the question of the sdf, we stay in continuous contact with them. Plus, you mentioned you had videos from inside the tunnel itself and if so, were you able to get that because the canine was wearing the video . Did you have Something Else . Okay, one and a half, the name of the canine, please . Multiple types of ordinance used to include to help fires as well as small armed fires. We used a variety of missions. The bombs were used to destroy the compound that you saw in various videos and etc. Your second question of the video, i am not going to classify the video of what we do have or dont have. I have seen a lot and i will wait until everything is declassified in the coming days and well make sure you are provided that. We are not releasing the name of the dog right now. The dog that came out, the military working dog performed a tremendous service, they all do in a variety of situations. Slightly wounded. We are not going to release it just yet, photos or name of the dog or anything else. Protecting the dogs identity. Four questions now. Baghdadis remains is disposed properly in according to our laws and conflicts. Baghdahow much materials did take away . There was materials taken away. I dont want to characterize what or how much yet until it gets disploited properly. We always do sensitive exploitation on any objective. It was an area in which it was staying on a consistent bases. What about prison . You took how many and whose custody are they in now . They are in custody. Can you tell us how many . There were two adult males taken alive, they are in our custody. Gentlemen, thank you for your time today. I want to look at whats next. The president alluded to materials being collected from the site itself. Can you in any way elaborate on whats collected and being looked through now and what it means. That information needs to be exploited properly for any following mission that we may choose to. And whats next is well continue the medicatioission. Thats our mission. We have seen reporting that this raid was launched from assad, can you clarify where it came from . Operation, ewe are not going to discuss the location it took place. It took place some where in the region. The question of the oil fields and the military role. You are going to protect them again and keep control against isis and other potential adversaries, does it include the possibility in your view that u. S. Troops are prepared to deny access to the oil fields to either russian and or Syrian Forces. Is that part of your mission to deny them access . How do you know what do you need to see to know that you are done with the oil Fields Mission presumably you are not keeping how do you know when you are done . What do you need to see . The question you are asking about purpose and the ways would be the military question. I am going to pass it over to the secretary specifically for that. The military task that we have been given is to secure and continue to secure taft which is down along the border area. Well continue to do that and secure the oil fields. Thats in the vicinity and the purpose of securing those oil fields is denying those access to isis, in order to preventing isis to resurgence. We dont want them to resurge and get a lot of revenues from them. I will let the secretary talk. Within what you want to do in the oil fields, does that include denying access for preventing russian or Syrian Forces which now change the battle . Yes, because in that case, we want to make sure that stf does have access to resources in order to guard the prisons and in order to arm their own troops or in in order order to assist the isis mission. Thats our mission with the oil fuels. You said you were denied by russia. General millie, President Trump described yesterday that baghdadi was wimpering and crying, can you elaborate on that detail . I know the president had plan to talk to unit members. I dont know what the sources was. I assume he was talking to yuun members. You have not talked to any communi unit members to describe that to you . I have not talked to unit members. All right, last question, thank you for doing this. There was a member that was part of this raid and he talked about the intelligence the sdf provided putting a person inside of isis, can ucoyou confirm tha . Can you talk about the overall picture after these last couple of weeks. Are there going to be more troops in syria than there were before . I will take the other question first. As i said we are reenforcing our position in that area. We are given the earlier at the end of the day, well be sending troops home. The president made it clear to do that. In the meantime, well reenforce and make other moves to ensure that we can accomplish that mission and in order to deny access of isis. More going in and more coming out . At the oechend of the day, i will be fewer than what we had before and theyll be going home. Remind the first question. This was u. S. Only operation for personnel that were on the objective. I know what you are referring to. There is a comment reported in the media that sdf had soldiers or two on the objective with our forces. I am not going to comment on what mayor may not happened with the sdf and the actions on the objective. The aircraft coming in and aircraft over head and soldiers conducting itself was a u. S. Only operation. Thank you. All right, you just saw both the secretary of defense and chairman of the joint chief of staff there wrapping up their briefing about 25 minutes or so. Maybe just under 25 minutes, making a little bit of news of some of the details around the operation, also flushing out more clarity of what the United States wants to do with those oil fields. The United States will deny russia and the Syrian Government as well as isis access to those oil fields to prevent terrorist organization from constituting itself. They use those oil fields in the past as major resources. We heard from general millie talked about the details of the operation and not getting into specifics of where it was launched from. He did shoot down some of the rumors saying it was an only u. S. Led operation, a u. S. Only operation, they were not commenting on any Additional Forces from sdf or kurdish allies on the ground. Back with me once again, Courtney Kube live with us. And our adjunct professor, michael weiss. Let me go straight to you courtney and get some of the highlights if you will about this be press briefing. The question that i asked you right before we were interrupted with that News Conference about the president s comments talking about the final moment of Abu Bakr Albaghdadi. You heard that the chairman said he does not know the source of that information. It could have been that the president spoke to unit level soldiers involved in the operation. He himself had not heard that. Thats right. I think the question came from nancy just listening to voices there. Shes asking is there video. Whats the name of the dog . Of course, we did not get that. Thats the question we are trying to figure out. All general millie and the chief would say is there are remarkab fact they were able to pull it off. Over yesterday in the white house that baghdadi was wh whimpering and crying. A couple of things that were big take aways from that, we are trying to figure out whats the next mission for u. S. Troops and syria. The secretary is saying there would be a smaller footprint, 2,000 down to about a thousand who have been there for the last year. Those who remains would continue to execute Counter Terrorism mission. All we have before hearing is the next mission is securing the oil fields. When he was pressed on that, theyll continue way in the south of syria and down near the jordanian border. That was an interesting reference. L i want to get your thoughts on something that the secretary of defense says about turkey. He says turkey bears responsibility for some of the instability of whats going on in syria. He did verify whether or not of what extent it involves any kind of turkish planning. He did reference neighbor military and countries made aid ware aware of. What do you make of the reference he made about turkey saying that turkey is contributing to the instability of the region . Well, thats common sense in washington, d. C. When co when it comes to the operation on saturday. Military officials have said that. An air base in turkey thats used for operation haves ns hav been used. Turkish officials have been informed and yet they did not know about the exact nature of the operation, instead the syrian cu syrian cu Syrian Kurdish leader, the commander, he was the only foreigner who knew about the nature of the operation and this tells me the level of and extent of distrust particularly of command. When it comes to the notion, particularly in the fight against Islamic State of a common view in washington. Particularly in the u. S. Security establishment. Turkey denied the coalition against the Islamic State for military operations. Later on turkey launched three military incursions which we saw a few weeks ago and in those operations, syria targeted the militia. Let me interrupt you quickly. The sdf will still have access to the oil fields that the United States is going secure and deny both the russian government as well as the Syrian Government in damascus. How do you think thatll play in turkey that the sdf will still have access to those oil fields that mark said the u. S. Is going to secure . Well, that was certainly empower the syrian cukurds in their negotiations with the russians and regime. Thatll complicate turkishs effort to create a safe zone along the syrian boarrder, thankful be off limits. According to the agreement russians and our south forces along with turkey are going to Work Together to make sure that the ypg is pushed out of that zone. The ypg is refusing to withdraw from certain areas. If there is a u. S. Military presence fair, thatll certainly empow empower ypg. Secretary of defense saying the situation remains complex inside syria. An interesting piece of information is coming out. The u. S. Managed to take away two adult males in addition to other noncombatants. It was general millie said they have been taken to secure location. The fact that there are two adult males with the leader of isis who were perhaps were not killed. The fact they were taken alive, what does it say they may have been doing or the fact they were taken alive . The story was not reported. Adult males in isis were flipped. There was one man in particular who was captured by the turk, he was a native of iraqis. He was sent back to iraq. The iraqis managed to turn him dispatched back to syria. Located going into this compound that baghdadi had been domiciled in. Another aspect i believe of september of this year, five addition additional isis assets were recruited. Four of them were native rockir and one of them were a syrian. A smuggler whos responsible for transporting baghdadis relatives. This whole thing has been a human intelligence led endeavor led by the americans. But, yes, the important thing that happens and we notice this from the raid when we killed osama bin laden. You collect data and digital and otherwise to get human beings who were living with baghdadi will also help them piece together more intelligence. There is a little irony of all this. You think of all the people thats involved and muslims turks that the president had some what be raided and deprbetd some of these individuals on the ground and they were all helping on this effort. Michael and courtney, thank you so much for helping with us. We have a brand new exclusive report how the white house was alerted of concerns of Rudy Giuliani and Eu AmbassadorGordon Sondland and more drama in the impeachment inquiry on capitol hill. The witness that was supposed to be in questioned today was a know show. Coming up, well dig in with this with congressman gregory meeks, hes been in the room for witness depositions. You are watching velshi ruhle right here on msnbc. U ar ruhle right here on msnbc great here you go. Well, it does need to be a vehicle. 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This takes us back earlier than the july phone call. This is in may. Just around the time zelensky is being inaugurated as the new president of ukraine. A senior white house official, fiona hill stepped down in august meets with a former u. S. Diplomat who sits on the board of ukraines energy company. She learns that szelensky feels under rattle because theyre getting there is a whole agenda, they are being told they need to make changes in the leadership of the state owned energy company. Sondland, the ambassador of the eu also is telling ukraines new president that he got to make changes in his team in coming team. This of one piece to them and this pressure coming and they dont know what to make of it. They are not sure of how to respond. That helps shape fiona hill understanding the shadow of foreign policy. Undermining the president s argument that the ukrainians did not know any type of quid pro quo. Dan de luca with us. Thank you. We are following a dramatic day in washington. A new leak of impeachment inquiry into President Trump gets underway. The former top aid, john bolton was a no show on capitol hill. Kupperman asking a judge to rule whether or not he was ordered to testify in front of congress. Dr. Kupperman takes no position on whether the command of the legislative branch or command of the executive branch should prevail. Now earlier House Intelligence Committee adam schiff calling kuppermans failure to appear in court is deeply regrettable. We can infer to dr. Kuppermans testimony that they believe his testimony would be in criminating to the president. We believe his testimony would corroborate that other witnesses have made. We move forward and well consider as we inform dr. Kuppermans council. His failure to appear as elements we contempt against him. This morning, President Trump accusi accusing adam schiff of a crime. We had a good conversation with the ukrainian president. A conversation that was perfect. They dont talk about the conversation. It started with a whistleblower and now they dont want the whistleblower. I told republicans who are really taken advantage of. Theyre really being malign. I think it is a horrible thing. Adam schiff, what he did will never be forgotten. He made up a conversation that was a phony, fabrication and a fraud. People should not be allowed to get away. They say he has immunity because hes a member of congress. People should not be allowed to do that. Thats a criminal act. Joining me now on capitol hill leanigh ann kal caldwell. What is the investigators or members of congress are look to learn from him specifically . Kupperman is the deputy of john bolton. We know from previous testimony that john bolton had deep reservations of the policy of ukraine. And also the fact that Rudy Giuliani was so deeply involved in this, congressional investigators wanted and interested in kupperman. Is kupperman is ever going to show . Hes saying hes between a rock and a hard place. He does not want to defy his former boss. He does not want to defy the congress whos come peming him to testify. He puts the questions into the courts. The democrats have no patience for the courts. Theyll file this some sort of bucket and using it as more evidence that the administration is trying to withhold information from congress. Lets talk about somebody who did show up over the weekend. That was phillip reeker. What did he have to say in his testimony on saturday . His job was to oversees the ukraine policy for the United States, he was stationed overseas. His first week on the job was back in job of a smeared campaign being run by Rudy Giuliani in conservative media about the ambassador yovanovitch. He said that he went to his superiors try to get them to put out a Public Statement of support of yovanovitch. They denied to do that and they would not do that. He was extremely disappointed according to a source familiar with his testimony and also he told congressional investigators that he knew that aid was being withheld from ukraine. He did not know why. Let me get your thoughts here. You got his number two at the center of this. You got john bolton reportedly said he thought it was a drug deal going down like a drug deal if impa am paraphrasing there. Have we gotten any sense as to where john bolton is at the moment, i am talking about in impeachment inquiry and whether investigators will be able to speak to him . Thats the big question. Will we hear from john bolton or not . We dont know the answer to that question right now. A hint is kupperman, hes his former deputy but they share the same lawyer. The idea that the lawyer went to the court to see whether or not where they rule whether or not kupperman is required to testify. So it is not like the kuppermans situation is not making it look not promising that well hear from john bolton any time soon. There is a report that he has a book deal in if works and hell tell his side of the story. The question is is he goi, is h tell it now . There is reporting that rick perry was the one that asked President Trump to make the ukraine phone call . Do we know anymore of that as he prepares to make his exit from this administration . Rick perry is kind of saying, there was nothing wrong here. If we do hear more from him, it is going to be a testimony that support and not challenge trumps assertion that there was no quid pro quo involved. At the rate of these testimonies are playing out, when you look at the number of evidence collected from these depositions. What does your gut tells you in terms of where impeachment stands at this point. Do you feel democrats should make legal fights for these testimonies for people like bolton or dr. Kupperman if he takes similar approach. I think the democrats are in good position. They have several formal prosecutors smoking guns. The transcript itself the summary is in criminating. The summary of the call. I think obviously bill taylors testimony, it sounds like sondla sondland. He choose a quid pro quo, thats what his lawyer is trying to say anyway and we have something from last week of this recording of Rudy Giuliani talking to someone in an unguarded moment when he did not know anyone was listening. He says to the person in the room we had to force them to do the investigation. Hes talking about ukraine there. And the we is the question but pretty clearly involves Rudy Giuliani. I think thats a real smoking gun that no one is quite talking about it enough. I think that it could draw a Straight Line from Rudy Giuliani to trump. I think they do need to try and enforce some of these particularly as someone pointed out as kupperman and bolton have the same lawyer. Boltons testimony seems to be pretty in defensible. If hes willing to say it all in a book, he should be able to say it now when his country needs him under oath. I want to get your thought on one more aspect of this of the legal explosi legal. The Washington Post is reporting that the republicans feel anxious and adrift defending trump. Did he know about the ukraine policy and did he know about a quid pro quo not answering it that at all. Who do you think or what do you think about any of them are legally exposed to this . Well, those are some of the more detailed pieces of evidence that i think democrats may not get d may have to give up. I think the picture as trump and Rudy Giuliani is quite clear. I feel like i can give a Closing Argument in 15 minutes summing up pretty compellingly what they were doing and trump knew etcetera, i think as to pence and others, it is hard to say right now based on what we know reported. Going on . Yes. Did they build enough of a wall around themselves that they can put their head in the sand and play dumb . Probably. And, you know, it may be that the democrats have to just give that kind of evidence up in the interest of Going Forward on impeachment on the president. All right, mimi roca, leann caldwell. Joining me now on set is new York Democratic congressman and member of the Foreign Affairs and Financial Services gregory meeks. I jokingly said theres not much to talk about. At least there is this hour. Let me first get your thoughts on where the impeachment inquiry stands today. Youve been at some of those depositions. Do you want to share with us your assessment of where this thing is going right now . Well, i think were moving, were doing our work in a methodical way, trying to get all of the facts and, you know, what weve been listening to is the obvious abuse of power that this president has utilized in trying to use his power to demand that another president of another nation get involved in our 2020 election, which is a violation of our constitution. And so therefore hes violating his abuses of power, hes betraying our constitution and threatening our National Security in that hes held back money that we authorized to protect our ally against on going aggression by the russians. What do you make of dr. Cupperman essentially ignoring the subpoena saying hes caught between the legislative and executive branch up to the judiciary to decide what he does . I think that he should come in. What you have seen thus far is a number of individuals who have been caught, so theyve gone through the courts and asked the court, should they say that we should come for the subpoena as happened with ambassador taylor. So i would hope that the president will stop trying to cover up the crimes that he has committed because thats apparently whats taken place. Hes trying to prevent individuals who he knows will testify as to what took place, talking about this, shadow government, shadow people that have the state department. He doesnt want them to testify as opposed to those who are solid diplomats, been there and understand diplomacy and theyre coming forward to talk about what had took place. Let me ask you about the office of Legal Counsel saying that whistle blower complaint should not be turned over to congress. You have the inspectors general the Watchdog Group within the department of justice saying, no, that should have been turned over. Where do you stand on that . I know youre going to say youre leaning a certain way. Lets say this. Yeah. The whistleblowers complaint is being corroborated. Were trying to have a drive for the facts. And when you cant fight the facts, you threw up anything else. You talk about process. You try to divert. You take away the attention from what the facts are. And what were focussed on are getting out the facts and the American People are focussed on, what did we know, who did what, how do they know it and who directed it. Are you concerned that offices like the office of Legal Counsel, william barr, are more interested in protecting the president than doing their obligation of getting to the facts, like youre saying. There is no question that the attorney general is not acting on behalf of the american feel. Hes acting only on behalf of the president of the United States. It is one of the reasons why we have to do with the accuracy and the focus that we do with our impeachment inquiry. And thats why we are doing it now to get the evidence that we know that the attorney general would not do. And clearly the attorney general might have been part of this shadow system that was taking place also because if you listen to the Opening Statements of ambassador taylor. Right. It was clear that the president was directing some of the ukrainian president and other ukrainian folks to talk to giuliani and theres been some mention about the attorney general also. Let me try to get in one question at least on foreign policy. You just heard the pentagon defense briefing the u. S. Will secure those oil fields. I dont know why he referred to it as the Conoco Oil Fields. I dont know thats what the military uses, that will certainly raise eyebrows. What do you make of him calling it the Conoco Oil Fields and the fact of the policy the u. S. Is now going to secure these oil fields only for the use of sdf and perhaps even American Oil Companies . We have again is a president who does not generally listen to our intelligence personnel on r generals and does his own thing. So i have concern why that term to be quite frank with you. I want to make sure, though, what im concerned about are the National Security of the American People. I want to make sure that those 12,000 isis members who were incarcerated and being held by the kurds are not now running free to reorganize and to try to galvanize and bring isis back. I want to make sure that the president , who just makes these decisions at the moment that has caused us to have this vacuum and putting and bringing russia and syria and turkey back into control, i want to make sure that we are focussed on a president who says, you know, he actually says he discredits our intelligence where as we didnt have people on the ground, we would have trouble and if we didnt have the kurds supporting and working with us, we may not have had the information necessary to get rid of this man who makes the earth is a better place. We have a whole lot of work still to do. Congressman gregory meeks, we managed to find something to talk about. Next well hear from the department of education senior official who just resigned. His surprising plans for what is next. Still ahead, youre watching velshi ruhle on msnbc. Velshi ruhle on msnbc. 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In washington new nbc news reporting undercuts the white houses argument there could not be a quid pro quo because ukraine didnt know about it. Day 35 of the itch peachment inquiry. Here is whats happening. White house was told as early as may that Rudy Giuliani and Eu AmbassadorGordon Sondland were rattling the newly elected ukrainian president. This moves up the timeline of when white house advisers learned that the president s allies were acting in ways that unnerved ukraines new government. Even before president zelensky has been sworn in. Today ambassador sondland was back on the hill to review what he told lawmakers earlier this month over the weekend his lawyer clarified his testimony. He told the wall street journal that sondland said, yes, he believed there was a quid pro quo. Meanwhile, a former deputy National Security adviser under john bolton has defied a subpoena for his scheduled testimony today. The white house had told him not to testify, so