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The time and investigation costs it took to put their case together. President trump is not backing off the health care fight, but its a fight very few republicans want to have. The Vice President deeply concerned about whether they would be able to come up with a viable replacement. Were going to have great health care. The Republican Party will be the party of great health care. You watch. I think this is incredible. It will affect at least half the country overnight. I think whatever the court of appeals says about this early ruling, it will likely go to the supreme court. I was so appalled by what the admin installation di administration did, talking about getting rid of the entire Affordable Care act. A high ranking republican on the House Intel Committee just called on chairman adam schiff to resign. Willingness to continue to promote a false narrative is learning. My colleague may think its okay that the russians offered dirt on a democratic candidate for president. You might say thats just what you need to do to win. But i dont think its okay. I think its immoral. I think its unethical. I think its unpatriotic and, yes, i think its corrupt. And evidence of collusion. Will the gentleman yield . I would not yield. I will not yield. We had guarantee teened cells for people with the flu, people with chicken pox, people with lies. Were capturing, lets use the word capturing, were capturing people coming in illegally. Were not just releasing them. In some cases, were running out of room. 55,000 familiars, including 40,000 children expected to enter the process this month. We are doing everything we can to simply avoid a tragedy. And a cvp facility. With these number i fear its just a matter of time. All right. Lets talk about how all of this is having an impact on President Trumps hope for a second term as he gets more distance from the special counsels investigation into his 2016 campaign. A new poll shows if the election were held today, a full third of americans would continue to represent the president. Another 17 people say they would vote for a democrat, depending on whom is selected from the current field of people running. Joining me now, nbcs White House Correspondent kristen welker. The president is heading to michigan on the heels of the attorney generals election declining to prosecute him. What do you expect to hear from the president tonight . I think we have gotten a little taste of what we can expect to hear from the president which is that hes been taking a victory lap all weekend long. I think when you see him in michigan tonight, youll see the president in his element. So youre going to see an even bigger victory lap than weve seen before. I also think youre going to see him taking aim at his perceived enemy, chairman adam schiff. You saw adam schiff digging in and continuing it is necessary to investigate the actions between the russians, the trump campaign. Thats the type of rhetoric that is going on give the president fuel as hes poised to take the stage tonight in michigan. So i think youre going to see a receptive audience. They were fired up. I anticipate its going to be the same if not more so this evening when he speaks before a crowd in the critical state of michigan and Campaign Officials underscoring that, saying that that is going to be part of his strategy moving forward as hes poised to enter the very tough election battle. Kristin, thank you so much. Kristin at the white house for us as the president gets braced to brand the gop as, quote, the party of health care. His administrations position on the Affordable Care act court case could jeopardize Health Coverage for millions of americans. Lets take a look at medicaid, what it is, who it covers. Medicaid serves more than 65 million americans as of december 2018. Thats about 20 of the entire u. S. Population. It serves several groups, low income individuals with families and children including the disabled, pregnant women. It helps some elderly americans pay for their medicare premiums. It has a range of mandatory benefits. Here are a few of them. Inpatient and outpatient services, physician services, rural health clinics, chb is really important. Family a planning, xray services along with pregnancy services, as well. In 2013, nearly two dozen states took advantage of the Affordable Care act Medicaid Expansion Program Covering nearly 4 million uninsured, mainly low income americans. Now over the past five years, more states have followed suit. Driving douj the rate of people who are uninsured, giving more people access to more than just emergency care. This is really important for Health Outcomes in the end. But if the Trump Justice Department staff is affirmed by the court, 12 Million People who are currently on medicaid could lose access to Health Coverage, again, adding new stresses that used to be in the Health Care System back into the system. Good afternoon. Hold on a second. All right. Do we have that mike back . Can you hear me . Okay. Good. Sorry about that, folks. A practicing physician at johns hopkins, she helped draft the Affordable Care act during her time in the administration. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me. I always want to make a distinction between the two important things people know about obamacare. One is it helped people who had preexisting conditions who didnt have jobs get insurance at a manageable rate, insurance that would cover basic things and the other, the expansion of medicaid, some people tell me they think Medicaid Expansion t bigger deal. I certainly agree with that. People forget its not just that medicaid expanded. Its all the services that you describe with that expansion and, really, that offer states more infrastructure to do Better Health in general. So when hospitals can take patients with decent insurance, those hospitals invest in their own infrastructure and that is something that is hard to put that on the slide, but its what you see around the country when you hear people saying we want to help you with mental health. We want to get more women help out with opioid addiction. Those would not have existed if it werent for the Medicaid Expansion. And, in fact, some of the largest business deals are going on in medicaid. Private sectors are doubling down on this. Lets talk about another piece of this. Its not the medicaid piece, but its the insured piece. A lot of what were hearing from donald trump is insurance that will be offered for lower premiums. If you can sell People Insurance that doesnt cover things they might actually see, there was something called essential health benefits. You you pregnancy services, mental health, substance beauty, wellness services, pediatric services. Here is the thing. You couldnt sell an insurance policy under obamacare if it didnt offer some coverage of all of these things. Correct. Thats right. And you couldnt do what the Trump Administration is calling shortterm plans, which now they have allowed for them to be not shortterm any more. You know, you you still had to have certain coverages after a certain period of time. So your point is exact lit right. Its almost like that thing that your mother told you, you get what you pay for in the sense that we do need to keep costs down. So there is fair criticism which is totally separate from the conversation thats happening today about how can we make health care more affordable. But it is part of the Affordable Care act. Care would not be as affordable as it is if we didnt have the because of what . Is it because of the risk pools . Is it because you get everybody in and they get covered for all the same things. Right. So some people arent going to suffer from that list of things that ive got on there, but their 3r50e78 yum helps the coverage for those who will. There were a number of changes to the Medicare Program that saved the Medicare Program more money. Then you have the Medicare Program that generally takes care of people over 65. So, you know, theoretically, thats how you set up an efficiency scale. And, in fact, the Health Care Costs have been slower and that can directly point to the Affordable Care act. Thanks very much, as always. Breaking news on capitol hill, nbc news now confirms the president s soninlaw and senior adviser, Jared Kushner, was seen leaving a meeting with the Senate Intelligence Committee Earlier today. This comes just days after the attorney general released a summary of the special counsels russia investigation. Nbcs jeff bennet joins us from capitol hill. What do we know about this . Why was Jared Kushner meeting with the committee . The hill team has confirmed kushner met with members of the committee and not staffers. Based on what weve been able to piece together, he was in that room, in that secure area for about three hours. Jared kushner testified once before this committee back in 2017. But there was a bipartisan agreement that they would bring kushner back to the committee to testify again before this panel wraps up and releases their report. So the fact that he was back here today is a signal of how significant a witness he is given that chairman, Richard Burns and mark warns, the democratic Ranking Member both had to sign off on it. And this is a signal that this committee is finally wrapping up its report. No word back yet, ali. Well stay on top of this story with you. Thank you very much. Coming up next, President Trump is calling for the fbi, the Justice Department to review the Jussie Smollett case. 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Kind of interesting because rahm emanuel came out the other day and was very frustrated by the idea that the charges against Jussie Smollett were dropped. Its hard to figure out who is on whos side. But joining me now, joyce vance. Joyce teaches criminology. Joyce, thanks for joining us. This is a confusing case because we still dont know why the charges against Jussie Smollett were dropped. What do you make of it . It is a very confusing case. And it illustrates the Reasons Police departments need to have greater transparentsy with communities. Otherwise, communities find it difficult to trust law enforcement. And here we dont know what happened. Was mr. Smollett wrongfully indicted, wrongfully accused . Or is he getting the benefit of some form of pretrial dissolution. But the question here is is he benefiting because hes famous and well to do and whether that same treatment is available to other citizens. So also of questions that require clarification here. We have seen examples in the past where local jurgdzs havent handled things in the way the public thinks is fair and the federal government has stepped in. What do you have to say about the appropriateness of donald trump suggesting that the federal government, the fbi and the Justice Department might look into this . Its never appropriate for the president to opine on a local case like this and tell the fbi to step in. And i assume the leadership at the fbi knows that and they wont invest their resources unless there is some sort of a federal case to be prosecuted. But typically where doj resources are used in these cases is if were looking at excessive issues where Doj Civil Rights Division prosecutors individual cases and used to under attorney general sessions. This process was discontinued, but can use a Consent Decree process to help a Police Department and particularly in the area of Racial Disparities do a better job. Its unfortunate that weve lost that process. Always good to talk to you. Thank you for joining us. Coming up next, republicans are calling for the resignation of a California Democratic congressman, adam schiff. Why they want him out and how schiff is fighting back when we come back. It is alarming. My colleagues may think its okay that the russians offered dirt on a democratic candidate for president. Candidate for president. You should be mad they gave this guy a promotion. You should be mad at forced camaraderie. And you should be mad at tech that makes things worse. But youre not mad, because you have e trade, whos tech makes life easier by automatically adding technical patterns on charts and helping you understand what they mean. Dont get mad. Get e trades simplified technical analysis. clients voice remember that degree you got in taxation . danny of course you dont because you didnt your job isnt understanding tax code. Its understanding why that. Will get him a body like that. Move . That. Your job isnt doing hard work. 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My colleagues may think its okay that the rushingans offered dirt on the did temocratic cande for president. That the Campaign Chairman of a president ial campaign would offer information to a Russian Oligarch that the president himself called on russia to hawk his opponents emails that they were listening, that its okay that the president s soninlaw sought to establish a secret back channel of communications with the russians that the National Security adviser designa designate secretly conferred with the Russian Ambassador about undermight being u. S. Sanctions, you might say thats all okay. You might say thats just what you need to do to win. But i dont think its okay. Joining me now, david corn. Hes an misnshz political contributor and the author of russian roulette, the inside story of putins war on america and the election of donald trump. Also with me, heather conley, she was a witness at todays house intel hearing. Heather, lets start with you. What actually needs to be asked and determined by those in charges holding this hearing . So it was definitely a livelier hearing than most Expert Witness hearings are. I think once we got past the political fireworks where there was great unity is our patriotism has to be above our partisanship. But russias interference is not going to stop. If anything, its accelerating and we have to have a whole government approach. Russia weaponizes everything. What they want to do is weaken america. Weaken our democracy, weaken our strength. I was encouraged that were start to go make some headway. David, do you have a similar take away . The fireworks that we heard there that heather was just talking about, they dont matter to most people. What we do know is we dont have the full Mueller Report so we dont have all the details on the russian influence operation. If i was the president of the United States and his folks, i would be very concerned about all the details in there about the russian influence operation, regardless of whether they were willing participants. And adam schiff made a statement in his Opening Statement that was really interesting. He said remember, theres a counterintelligence side to muellers investigation which began with the fbi counterintelligence investigation. That doesnt mean youre looking for a crime. Youre looking to see how foreign government, in this case russia, might have influenced, manipulated or coerced americans and that is donald trump himself or people close to him or people connected to the campaign. That often is a classified, very secretive investigation and what schiff said is its unclear whether the Mueller Report will even present anything along those lines. So its a very important component of the whole investigation, but we may not even even if we get the Mueller Report itself, which might show interactions, we may not get them to what really was happening between russia and people within trumps circle. Heather, i want to go back to this unity of purpose that you talked about. One of the problems in america is has not been a general lack of unity among most people, and even most part sons and most democrats and most republicans about combatting russian or anyone elses influence into our elections or the intelligence community. It seems to be a divide between all of the people i just mentioned and the president of the United States. Yeah. And this has been the most frustrating part. Russian influence is designed to exploit the weaknesses that we present. And right now, our bitter polarization, our bitter partisanship is exactly the weakness that russia is ex matting and they use influence. A usair craft isnt going to see what the russians are doing. Theyre using economics, theyre using this information, anything that creates friction and division in our country. And people simply dont understand what is happening. It seems so polarized, they dont know what to believe and thats exactly what plays into the russian hand. If they can divide us and weaken us, its makes it easier for them to get what theyre after. Heather, david, thank you for your time today. Today, more consequences behind the family of oxycontin. Coming up, ill break down who the family is and how many billions made from its role in the opioid epidemic. Plus, how theyre being called out in court and some of the worlds leading museums. Ome of e worlds leading museums. Ly. With drivewise. It lets you know when you go too fast. And brake too hard. With feedback to help you drive safer. Giving you the power to actually lower your cost. Unfortunately, it cant do anything about that. Now that you know the truth. 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In respond to todays news, attorneys representing the companys owner said expanding this baseless lawsuit to include former directors of Purdue Pharma is a misguided attempt to place blame where it does not belong for a complex Public Health crisis. We strongly deny these allegations which are inconsistent with the factual record and will vigorously defend against them. All right. So who is at the center of this lawsuit . I want to introduce you to the sachler family. They made their fortune through the ownership of Purdue Pharma, the maker of the pain killer oxycontin which is the drug at the center of it all. A recent court filing in massachusetts suggested that members of the family were involved in deceptive marketing schemes to increase oxycontin sales. The filing blamed the company for pushing doctors to prescribe higher doses for longer periods of time to make the drug and making the drugs more addictive. Now the extremely wealthy sacklers are facing backlash from all over. If youre into art, suf even their name. The smithsonian has a gallery, the met has a sackler wing. But many of these institutions have tried to receiver ties with the ben factor. Here is why people are so angry. The National Institute on drug abuse says roughly 21 to 29 of patients describe opioids for chronic pain misuse them. I want to be clear. 21 to 29 . That means 70 dont. And if youre one of those who dont, this shouldnt affect you. But patients who use prescription drugs including oxycodone, fentanyl and codeine are at risk. Since 1996, more than 200,000 people in the United States have died from a prescription opioid overdose. Its not just the sack ler family mind this. Other Drug Companies like johnson and johns yons, allergan and endo health are all facing lawsuits. David armstrong, its the old it feels like this crisis has now reached a new level where we are finally dealing with where this problem started with. This culture of eliminating pain, which exists nowhere else in the developed world like it does in america. Yes, i think youre right. Weve seen the disclosure. I think its important to remember Purdue Pharma was influential in changing the paradigm around how we treat pain. There was something called pain is a vital signal. So that every doctors office, every hospital was closely monitoring this. Before this, these drugs were used understand of life care, people at end stage cancer, those kinds of things. So this changed the whole thing. That was the flip side of what they did, along with the campaign to change how we talk about pain and how we prescribe these drugs. They told doctors this is not addictive and theyve been held accountable. They paid a federal type of 600 million. So this is key to the whole process here is not only should we be prescribing more, but guess what . Its not addictive. Is that true . Well, i think, yes. There has definitely been a reduction in the number of prescriptions in this country for these kinds of painkillers. Some people arent thats an overreaction. I dont think anybody wants to see somebody inhumanly cut off from their opioids that theyve been taking them for years and getting some relief. And i think there is a balancing act there to be done. Yeah, the point, though, is that weve seen an incredible increase over the last 20 years in the number of prescriptions for these drugs. Something got out of kilter. David arm strong, thank you for your coverage of this. David has been covering this issue and we will continue to cover it, as well. Coming up next, where is President Trumps mid east peace plan . Two years ago, Jared Kushner said it was almost done. What is the holdup . Well talk about this issue. Gene same quality of Customer Service that we have been getting. Being a usaa member, because of my service in the military, you pass that on to my kids. 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The question is now being raised more than two years after the president s soninlaw told a newspaper, quote, we are almost done. We havent seen anything yet. On wednesday, secretary of state mike pompeo was press odd when the United States was going to unveil kushners long awaited plan. Here is what he said. Could you tell us when we will see the Jared Kushner peace plan . Yes, maam, i think we can say in less than 20 years. How about be more precise. I just prefer not to be more precise. Doesnt want to be more precise than sometime in the next 20 years. Another member of the House Appropriations committee, david price of North Carolina also pressed pompeo on the issue. Lets listen to that. Now youre about to unveil a long awaited Peace Agreement that you have drafted. No doubt with demands to follow that the palestinians be grateful for that plan and regard the u. S. As a fair minded arbitor who respects their aspirations. Can you tell me how this is supposed to work . Am i missing something . Yes, yes, you are. And this is the fath forward, youre confident, to totally marginalize and alt leenate the palestinian side. Im very confident that what was tried before failed. Strange response. Representative david price, and the context of your question, sir, was you were saying if the United States and some dont see the United States to be a fair arbitor of middle east peace. But if we are going to be, the United States has taken actions that would further alienate further actions that by the way doesnt exist. Thats exactly right. What i said before was that there had been a series of actions that seem to do the opposite, in fact. We moved our u. S. Embassy to jerusalem with no it wasnt part of any kind of broader agreement as previous administrations had stated it should be. We closed the Palestinian Embassy here in washington. It was our eyes and ears among the palestinians. Toff socalled aid which force humanitarian aid between the west bank and gaza and now weve cut off all aid to the palestinians with such things such as dialysis for children or Autism Educational efforts, i mean, on and on. It is just one after the other. And now were going to dump this peace plan, socalled, on the Palestinian Community and expect them to receive it well. Theyve been totally marginalized by our foreign policy. Mike pompeos only answer seemed to be that what we did before didnt work that well, so lets do Something Else. But i would think you need to defend that Something Else very, very strongly. Yeah. Hes not wrong in that efforts to do this for decades have not succeeded and there are lots of elements to this. There are intransgents on the palestinian side and israeli side that are preventing a good deal from occurring. But the United States needs to sort of establish itself as a player in this again. Do you have any belief that there is a peace plan coming at all from Jared Kushner or the state department . They put some ideas together and reportedly have shopped it around among the saudis and some other supposedly friendly arab party. But i dont know when its coming. And in any case, if this plan comes, if it isnt the product of discussions on both sides, it isnt the product of any attempt to get negotiations going. Its simply going to be an american plan without any preparation or any demonstration of this on the part of our diplomates. And good faith is an important way to put it because reasonable people can and have disagreed on what success looks like in the middle east. I want to put up a map of israel and the occupied territories. One of the first steps is stop calling the occupied territories occupied. Thats a legal issue because youre not supposed to move territories in. It is an occupied territory thats not populated. But the west bank and the Golan Heights do fall on to that definition. The problem here, sir, is when the United States wants to get support for other things like ukraine or iran or north korea and the united nations, we have to say we abide by International Law and on this front, were not doing so. No, were not. The question about whether you call it occupied territories, people could quibble over that. War, these have been palestinian territories occupied by israel. There has been a constant effort to get this situation resolved. And, of course, israeli leaders, not netanyahu. Netanyahu apparently wants to rule over these areas forever, but his predecessors, a series of leaders, concluded that for israel to continue as a jewish and Democratic State that there simply had to be a twostate solution. By the way, mike pompeo notably refiesed to utter those words in his testimony yesterday. He has no word about whether twostate diplomacy is still something this country adheres to. 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And its simple, easy, awesome. Those the words the custom commissioners using to describe the migrant situation add the border right now. Ports of entries are getting backed up again. There is so many families seeking asylum in one area that reporters found estimated to be 100 what happened there . Something disappears. Hundreds are under bridge in el pa paso, texas. One official says it is a place for migrants to wait before going to another facility to be processed. Customs and Border Control Kevin Mcallen says the agency is taking reluctant steps to easy over crowding. We are providing direct relief of migrants. Well be doing this on a risk bases. This is a limited capacity. It is reluctantly. It represents negative outcomes for enforcement and it represents an increase indr fl thatll follow and impacts the moral of our team. I am going to try his name the third time. He expects apprehension at the border to exceed 100,000 this month. March of last year, 50,000 people taken into custody and about 50,347 march of 2018 and 2017, just at 16,000. The number of people taken into custody had been creeping up since the fall. Now you see this uptake all the way up to 76,000 last month. The zero tolerance policies of separating families at the border ended inju june. The total number of people apprehended at the border had been declining from 20 years down from its second highest peak in the year 2000s when 1. 6 Million People were taken into custody. Joining me now is Veronica Escobar from texas. She represents el paso, congressman, good to see you again. Thank you for being with us. You see images of people under the privilege. West texas have been seeing the biggest growth along the border. What do you make of whats happening here . We have been sounding the alarm for months and months that well see increasing numbers of families and Asylum Seekers if the weather warmed up. Per the agencys own record, when the weather warms up, thats their peak period. We have Kirsten Neilson whose role it is to provide leadership for the department of Homeland Security. What we have seen instead of leadership, has been an imitation of Donald Trumps cruelty from family separation and protection protocols and policies. These policies by the Trump Administration that have been executed by secretary neilson have made a challenging situation far more difficult. Well, it is difficult on two fronts, right . It is difficult from our perspective covering this because we are factchecking her in the same way we are factchecking the president. We are not getting details. The president and the Homeland Security dont think we are working on the same number. The Department Homeland security number dont seem to feel whats happening out there. The reality is of the face of varying competence. If local communitiy like mine thats picking up the slack. Our local ngos and local government have been happening to open up their wallet because of the lack of leadership from the department of Homeland Security. We need a humane solution to whats happening right now and in that parking lot. We have 1200 Asylum Seekers who are being caged off. You just shown the video, half of those people are children. Yeah. They are sleeping on the dirt. They are sleeping out in the open. This is absolutely inhumane and unacceptable. It is up to the department of Homeland Security to come up with a better solution. They are one of the best resource agencies in all of the federal government. Tomorrow, i head home and i am convening a meeting with the local community because as per usual in the absence of leadership from the white house or the second teretary, right n your show, i am calling for the secretary to resign. Her incompetence is hurting the community. You are calling for Kirsten Neilson to resign. Absolutely, absolutely. The community is having to come up with resources and solutions that shes unwilling to or unable to come up with. Thats unacceptable, ali. You had a conversation with border commissioner mccalenen. Thank you, i will get his name right. I know there are businesses worried about having this sort of a thing in the center. Tell me what you think about it. We need that central proce Processing Center. There is no doubt. The design and the vision for it is to be a far more humane way to process families that are arriving at our front door. That Processing Center wont be ready for open for six to twelve months. Thats a midterm solution. As of today right now we need dhs to come up with a humane way to process this family. They should not be under a bridge or out in the element, it should not be up to the community to solve this problem. This is a dhs challenge. Again, ali, i want to say this is a significant challenge for our country. Yeah. It could have been met with great strategy with thoughtful approach and humanity. But because of the way this administration has chosen to engage and chosen to address this challenge, a challenge has become chaos. Congressman escobar is calling for secretary nielson to resign. Thank you. My friend katy tur is in position ready to pick up our coverage. I am ready to go. We are going to do this. We got a lot of news today. I have a surprise at the end of the show. Oh good, i will be back. Put bells